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[–]lifestyledFun King Spineless 13ポイント14ポイント  (3子コメント)

honestly, what's fascinating about this is how frequently KiA and the like are framing this as "SJWs upset mean tweets got prosecuted when that's what they've wanted."

it was never about "mean tweets". nobody has said you should be thrown in jail for tweeting "haha women fucking suck and are the worst, right?"

it's always, ALWAYS been about targeted harassment against individuals. notice how nobody has said KiA should be thrown in jail for making anti-semitic propaganda of Anita. rather, we've said people should face consequences for tweeting specifically at anita with death threats and rape threats. we've said people should face consequences for going on 8chan and threatening to summon police to her house under false pretenses or doing vulgar, harmful things to her.

we're witnessing yet another rewriting of history, and GG is latching on to this and defending mustafa for the same reason they tried to have charity drives and the #NotYourShield hashtag.

I mean, look at the 180 they've pulled. right now, they're defending her and standing up for her. but four months ago, you had comments like this:

https://np.reddit.com/r/KotakuInAction/comments/37g4so/people_bahar_mustafa_gets_to_keep_her_position/crmdzou

https://archive.is/sWkI5

where they wished for her to get jail time and be made example of.

in fact, take look through this search of KiA's history for "mustafa"

https://np.reddit.com/r/KotakuInAction/search?q=mustafa&restrict_sr=on&sort=top&t=all

and you'll notice plenty of comments wanting her to be either prosecuted, made example of, or removed from her position.

you can write as much as you want about why what she tweeted isn't the bad thing it's being made out to be, but it won't matter. the people who need to hear it won't listen. they've already decided that she should be co-opted for GG's benefit, even though they trashed her non-stop when the story first broke months ago.

this event is solely another NYS, and I guarantee that we'll see them completely forget about her a day from now.

[–]friendlyskeletongirllong way ☭left☭ to go 4ポイント5ポイント  (2子コメント)

You're absolutely spot on there, and I'm sorry for being off-topic, but I just have to say

KiA should be thrown in jail

The image of a jail devoted to housing KiA amuses and scares me so much.

[–]lifestyledFun King Spineless 6ポイント7ポイント  (0子コメント)

it would likely make superjail look like a disney show.

[–]SporkofVengeance 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

The riots would be easier to control.

"We're totally going to get bigger cells people. I've sent 1096 emails to the governor only today and got 25 auto replies back. But don't stop sending. Only another 10K to achievement unlocked I reckon."

[–]AllNaijaBloggerJournalism Killed The Video Game Star 10ポイント11ポイント  (3子コメント)

I understand your post and agree totally. #killallwhitemen is a sarcastic phrase and shouldnt be taken literally. The woman is not trying to kill all white men.

However, the issue is that the hashtag is not effective and is a double-edged sword. Anyone can take it literally and claim offense at it.

While I can empathize with Ice Cube saying "f4ck tha police", the phrase can't be used in any serious protest against police brutality or corruption.

This is where one needs to understand the success of Martin Luther King.

MLK didn't say "F4ck all white people". He used peaceful speech despite the huge racism from white people he witnessed.

[–]SamkaiserSocial Justice Dragoon 8ポイント9ポイント  (2子コメント)

I get where you're coming from, but let's be frank, reactionary folks and conservatives will literally use anything to demonize us. I mean shoot, "Black Lives Matter" can be taken as "Only black lives matter" and someone can claim offense to it, so does that mean we should stop using that in favor of the more kosher but also meaningless "All Lives Matter"? The thing is "#Killallwhitemen" as charged as it sounds, puts something into focus, do white men actually feel threatened about it? It put something into focus, the start contrast and the amount of privilege white men face, how do we bring these issues into account considering basically every other attempt of education is dismissed. It's just "Model Minority" tactics don't work. Note to anyone, this isn't me saying violent action needs to be taken. This is me asking what else can we do? Because I'm currently at a lose.

Plus it doesn't help that MLK Jr actually did start blaming the lack of social progress to the white moderates in his 1963 letter ( https://www.africa.upenn.edu/Articles_Gen/Letter_Birmingham.html ), which go figure I'm sure plenty of people would've taken offense too. A whole "What does he mean? Is he not grateful for all the stuff I've done?! I don't hate black people! Don't say it's my fault, you're being rude!".

[–]AllNaijaBloggerJournalism Killed The Video Game Star 2ポイント3ポイント  (1子コメント)

Good point.

Unfortunately, the bigots are specialists in exaggerating offense against social justice people.

The only consistent and effective way to defeat them is to state your points peacefully.

[–]SamkaiserSocial Justice Dragoon 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

It's certainly not easy, but how do you do that when bigots will claim that they're being oppressive and violent no matter what we do? I mean, in the US "Black lives matter" is a "racist against white" statement and sit ins are seen as violently disruptive. It's also basically impossible to police every member of a minority group to make sure they never start saying violent, and that's not even talking about the ethical issues with policing a minority group so that they never vent their frustrations about their oppressors.

We're walking on eggshells here when it's quite clear that bigots will attempt to break as many eggs as possible, even when doing things peacefully. I mean, again these are people who start claiming reverse racism, sexism, and oppression when called out on bigoted behaviors, so when nothing is peaceful how do we convey our points peacefully? On a slight tangent, it'd be hilarious if it wasn't kind of scary how many folks I've seen offended over being called cis too.

I wish it was effective and consistent to keep 100% peaceful (From a vent-related rhetoric perspective), but I have issues with it when those same polite and peaceful people get death threats and risk getting killed all the same. It's just kind of depressing you know?

[–]DakkaMuhammedJihad 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

White fragility, etc.

There exists two ways that this form of "racism" and "sexism" brings out the shittiness. The first is that faux outrage we're all familiar with from watching GG twist and turn.

The second, though, is something I've been thinking about for a while, but haven't really had the chance to opine on. Anybody remember Stuff White People Like? I feel that, even though you'll get some delicate flowers claiming that it's just racism against whites, it's actually yet another facet in our cultural and societal hegemony. If you browse through SWPL, the majority of it seems to be things that are associated with prestige and money. When somebody's making racial stereotypes about white people, it still revolves around our place of power and privilege in society.

Am I off base here? I mean, #killallwhitemen is transparently a joke, but because it is so obvious, it's yet another indicator of how seriously any white man needs to worry about his place in society being upset because of his race. And SWPL is, like, the most flattering of stereotyping.

[–]Chester_T_MolesterIsn't Ghazi a place in Libya? 0ポイント1ポイント  (1子コメント)

This whole shitstorm is so silly. If you feel threatened by an online tweet like this, you need to re-examine your priorities in life. It's incredibly how many people are up in arms about this, and how many people think that she ought to be charged/fired for the tweet.

Was it a stupid and unprofessional thing to say? Yes. Does it demand legal action? Hell no. Give her a slap on the wrist and move on, it's not a huge deal.

[–]mst3kluvMilo has a journalism degree from Chuck E Cheese 4ポイント5ポイント  (0子コメント)

This whole thing reminds me of Tim Hunt and ShirtGate. A whole bunch of people making a big deal out of nothing.

[–]CoinValidator 0ポイント1ポイント  (2子コメント)

If I created the hashtag #killallwomen, would you want to discuss the nuances of that? Would it even matter? Both are wrong. Fuck the Police wasn't Murder the Police, it was I hate X. You can hate X or believe in Y all you want. You can't go on social media saying you want anyone dead, be it a specific person or a group of people. That's not free speech.

[–]sajberhippienRevolutionary Defeatist 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

would you want to discuss the nuances of that? Would it even matter? Both are wrong.

Yes, the nuances matter. "Both are wrong" and "There are differences between them" are not exclusive statements.

Also, plenty of people call for the death of others publicly without ever facing charges, even if they do so publicly and even if they're holding a public office. Donald Trump famously called for the death of a 14-year-old in the late 80's and didn't face anything for it, just to take a famous example.

It's all in who you're calling for the death of. I think you'd be hard-pressed to find anyone in the UK or US facing charges for calling for the death of Putin or Bin Laden. Yes, that is different than #killallwhites, but it's a difference in nuance. Just like there's a difference between #killallwomen and #killallwhites. And that nuance is important.

[–]CielleVentrue, Social Justice Camarilla 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

Would [the nuances] even matter? Both are wrong.

That's basically my perspective on it. She said something stupid and inflammatory in a very public way. Most adults facing the same challenges can get through the day without statements like this. I don't see any practical upside in making excuses for her behavior.

And if a few people stop invoking the idea of "killing" in such cavalier ways, that's a good thing.

[–]Sylocat/人◕ ‿‿ ◕人\ Social Justice Incubator -1ポイント0ポイント  (4子コメント)

To be fair, I do think it should be changed to "KillAllWhiteNeurotypicalCisHetMen."

[–]ArchchancellorExtruded Plastic Dingus[S] 2ポイント3ポイント  (3子コメント)

Oh, shit...I knew I forgot something. But you left out "affluent."

[–]ccdc1138Shrilly Demanded Respects 0ポイント1ポイント  (1子コメント)

"able-bodied" as well.

[–]nerdgeoisie -1ポイント0ポイント  (0子コメント)

Eh, just clip that to 'able' and cast a wider net.

[–]cadrpearEarth Pony Feminist -2ポイント-1ポイント  (0子コメント)

Affluent? More like effluent, am I right?