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[–]EilanyanSocialist NDP 4ポイント5ポイント  (16子コメント)

Piketty is fine but he still thinks capitalism can be made equitable and sustainable. And frankly he'd be in the Communist Party here not even socialist caucus of NDP given how right our politics are economically.

[–]UnionGuyCanadaPeople over Party 4ポイント5ポイント  (10子コメント)

It is still quite a collection of information. I don't claim to understand it all but man, what a book.

[–]EilanyanSocialist NDP 3ポイント4ポイント  (9子コメント)

I prefer the original book on "Kapital" ;)

[–]drhuge12Tragically Dip 6ポイント7ポイント  (8子コメント)

That's really weird to me. Marx's Capital was written over 150 years ago. Since then, we've had massive changes in the way the economy works, how society works, in politics, etc. Marx was a smart guy, but his powers of foresight are much overrated.

[–]EilanyanSocialist NDP 3ポイント4ポイント  (6子コメント)

Absolutely but it's still very relevant today and that does not mean I'm going to gush over modern social democrat writings.

[–]drhuge12Tragically Dip 5ポイント6ポイント  (5子コメント)

but it's still very relevant today

I really don't see it. Marx would be absolutely flabbergasted by our world in all kinds of ways. People like Colin Crouch (see his Post-Democracy, for example) write stuff that actually deals with the specific problems of the 21st century, and actually attemps to engage with the problems caused by marketization of government services and other things.

I guess I'm just frustrated with a left that is often much happier to navel-gaze and to try to commune with the spirit of a long-dead Karl Marx rather than attempting to deal with the real world of modern politics and the emerging economic realities of the 21st century. A retreat to the holy texts has never helped anyone.

[–]EilanyanSocialist NDP 2ポイント3ポイント  (4子コメント)

Again another fine social democrat that wants to maintain capitalism. People treat Marx too dogmatically, and his views changed over time as well, but we still very much have a case of global wealth held by very few by exploiting labour. I prefer Neo-Marxism given that Capital is even more globalized and concentrated or how we have divide between Global North and Global South. But to say Marxism is navel gazing I find ridiculous, especially when your suggested "leftist" alternative is more capitalism. A softer capitalism, but capitalism non the less.

[–]drhuge12Tragically Dip 1ポイント2ポイント  (3子コメント)

I think capitalism can be meaningfully reformed to ensure broad, society-wide prosperity. The Nordic countries have proved this. The case studies for pure socialism are less encouraging.

[–]EilanyanSocialist NDP 0ポイント1ポイント  (2子コメント)

The Nordic countries rely on the global poor to provide cheap labour for the consumer goods that fuels part of their economy. Or even imported raw resources they don't have locally. You would see their sky high purchasing power fall if everyone enjoyed the wages and benefits they do. And even then, that the working class in Norway can be educated and eat three times a deal does not mean their labour is not exploited by private ownership and private property. They are just rewarded enough to avoid a fight.

Switzerland literally makes a living of aiding global capital maximize their wealth and power.

The socialist countries that were run by authoritan vanguards or the ones slaughtered by capitalist forces through military (Operation Condor?) or economic (Cuba, Argentina, Greece, Cyprus) imperialism.

[–]drhuge12Tragically Dip 0ポイント1ポイント  (1子コメント)

The Nordic countries rely on the global poor to provide cheap labour for the consumer goods that fuels part of their economy. Or even imported raw resources they don't have locally.

True, but I accept that a fair capitalism would mean a reduced standard of living for the global 1% (i.e. us).

And even then, that the working class in Norway can be educated and eat three times a deal does not mean their labour is not exploited by private ownership and private property. They are just rewarded enough to avoid a fight.

I don't really agree with this at all because I reject the Marxist premise, so whatever.

Switzerland literally makes a living of aiding global capital maximize their wealth and power.

Some Swiss companies do, yes, but I don't see how that's relevant here. They're not a Nordic country.

The socialist countries that were run by authoritan vanguards or the ones slaughtered by capitalist forces through military (Operation Condor?) or economic (Cuba, Argentina, Greece, Cyprus) imperialism.

Either? The Soviet Union and China are notable omissions from your list, I notice.

[–]Ecothoughts 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

Marx's core, fundamental critique of capitalism as dehumanising and alienating hasn't ever been really answered. Probably it can't be. His analysis of how it works is dated, for sure, although neomarxian economics is obviously a thing.

[–]blueberryfickleDisillusioned 0ポイント1ポイント  (1子コメント)

Canada has their own Piketty, and she is not in the communist party.

[–]EilanyanSocialist NDP 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

Who? May? We have a political party advocating a wealth tax? Nationalization? Far greater income tax rates on the wealthy?

[–]Kodos_2016[S] 0ポイント1ポイント  (1子コメント)

Piketty is not a communist. http://www.newrepublic.com/article/117655/thomas-piketty-interview-economist-discusses-his-distaste-marx

[–]EilanyanSocialist NDP 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

.... Fit the Communist Party =/ is a Marxist. He's too left for the NDP or Greens and two of three CP propose partial nationalization and much higher taxation as transition stage of capitalism (or where he would want to stop).