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[–]Ivashkin😊[M] 2 points3 points4 points  (9 children)
We have a variety of ways we can notify when something is removed. These include leaving a comment, sending a PM directly, sending a PM as /r/europe, or setting a flair on the submission. For some time we've been using either comments on the thread or a PM from /r/europe (which I've been using without fail for months now). Comments on the thread made by the mod themselves have led to harassment of individual mods, and sending a PM as /r/europe makes modmail unusable as we miss messages you send to us. So we are experimenting with using flairs to mark removals of topics, something I do in other subs and it works reasonably well there.
The main aim is to communicate that your submission was removed for whatever reason happens to be the case, in your specific case it was a matter of Google translate making a bad translation which significantly altered the title of the story you were submitting.
[–]rcollector[S] 1 point2 points3 points  (8 children)
Thanks for responding. Neither of those solutions address the issue of accountability. Due to the current controversial nature of /r/Europe, there should be some type of transparency placed on the mods. The flair, while a nice addition for notification, does not resolve this issue.
Comments on the thread made by the mod themselves have led to harassment of individual mods
That's unfortunate, but all the individuals volunteered for this position. The candidates knew that there would be a large amount of attention drawn to their actions. The initial candidate thread was a clear example of this. Furthermore, a few negative instances should not limit the ability for transparency.
in your specific case it was a matter of Google translate making a bad translation which significantly altered the title of the story you were submitting.
I understand that my submission to /r/europe was removed due to a bad translation. The submission to europemeta was a different situation entirely. That submission was removed without warning and I was threatened of being banned for voicing my concern.
From the PM with /u/jippiejee
Questions about removals are of course first addressed in modmail, although we already explained to you why we removed your post, we're nice and patient people and don't mind explaining it again. But none of that explanation is then found back in your Meta post. That's very dishonest of you, to say the least, and it will get you banned next time. I'm very tired of this whole 'censorship' tone when you are the one submitting stuff you can't even properly understand.
Like I explained in my response "I had submitted the Europemeta post at the same time when I messaged mods. I wasn't too sure if the mods were going respond. You're right, it would have been disingenuous to leave the post as is, but I was going to update it after messaging the mods. If that was your concern, you should have just messaged me before removing it."
[–]rcollector[S] 1 point2 points3 points  (6 children)
Even in the europemeta post, the initial thread I created about submissions being removed without notification, I was never messaged by PM or in the thread of it's removal. This response only occurred after I sent the following messages:
I noticed that you now delisted my submission to Europemeta. From the opening post they say that the subreddit is a "place to talk about everything regarding this subreddit, wheter it is about the state of the subreddit, a beef you have with a moderator." What is the point in maintaining that subreddit if you are going to remove submissions that you disagree with?
So europemeta acts as a place to post "a beef you have with a moderator" but your post will be removed if you don't consult mods? Just what is allowed in europemeta if individuals are not able to post there concerns about submissions?
[–]Ivashkin😊[M] 2 points3 points4 points  (0 children)
We are still working on policy for this sub, if it was a house there would still be contractors putting up drywall and an argument about the way the bathroom was installed.
[–]HJonGoldrake[M] 1 point2 points3 points  (4 children)
I was never messaged by PM or in the thread of it's removal
To set the record straight: the removal happened while we were having a back-and-forth discussion in modmail. I was in the middle of writing to you when you wrote another message about the post removal. I don't think it's fair to say that we "never" notified you because we didn't notify you within 5 minutes, while we were also talking to you about a related issue. We are not superhuman.
[–]rcollector[S] 0 points1 point2 points  (3 children)
I don't think it's fair to say that we "never" notified you because we didn't notify you within 5 minutes, while we were also talking to you about a related issue. We are not superhuman.
Let's not get into exaggerations. The time stamps are very clear. It was 1/2 hour after I messaged my response to the mods and a 1.5 hour gap from creation date.
[–]HJonGoldrake[M] 1 point2 points3 points  (2 children)
Once again, setting the record straight: less than three minutes elapsed between the removal of your submission and my next message to you; five further minutes elapsed before another message by another mod.
We are neither superhuman nor glued to reddit. It takes time to compose messages in modmail, time during which we are dealing with reports, replying to other modmails, talking to other mods and even doing some non-reddit stuff.
You were already in the middle of a conversation with two mods, a conversation that started within five minutes of you writing to us and continued at an equally fast pace. I think that represents an adequate amount of attention.
[–]rcollector[S] -1 points0 points1 point  (1 child)
Setting the record straight: my response of here is related to the thread response.
It's disingenuous to say that you were "responding" within "5 minutes" seeing how you only responded after I raised the issue.
[–]HJonGoldrake[M] 1 point2 points3 points  (0 children)
Once again: we are not solely replying to you. Taking five minutes to respond is indeed very reasonable given that we also need to do a lot of other things at the same time. It's an adequate amount of attention, it's not realistic that we should be quicker or more dedicated to a particular conversation.
[–]Ivashkin😊[M] 3 points4 points5 points  (0 children)
It is worth remembering that this is an internet forum, and the reason 90% of us are here is because we just want something to look at when we're supposed to be compiling a CAPEX report or writing an essay. It's supposed to be somewhat entertaining. So, if we leave a comment saying "I removed this because <reason>" and we get loads of cross posting to drama subs or entertaining PM's then the response is going to be "well, fuck it" and switching to something which doesn't create as much noise.
As for the mentioning of a ban we are discussing this internally. However, if you want to make a meta post it is best to really think about what you are writing. If I see a post where you are taking issue with how we do something then I'm going to be interested in it and will probably jump in to respond. After all I'm damn sure we don't have this moderation thing all figured out and there probably are things we should fix. If I see a thread which is basically "OMG CENSORSHIP" I'm not likely to even read it.
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