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DarkEnlightenment

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The Dark Enlightenment, or neoreaction, focuses on the fundamentally flawed tenets of modern western culture.
The darkly enlightened share many ideas, but many are still debated. Examples:
  • Secular progressivism is the memetic descendent of Puritan Calvinism. Blasphemy, inquisition, indoctrination, and brainwashing still occur from the perspective of the progressive religion. Therefore, progressive culture is referred to as “the Cathedral”. The Cathedral consists of influential people in politics, journalism, academia and education acting in an uncoordinated manner to advance progressive principles in society; often deceptively. We do not imply conspiracies.
  • Hierarchies are a natural consequence of innate differences and are necessary for societies to function. Stratified outcomes alone are not enough to prove discrimination or a failure of "social justice". There is no "social justice," only traditional justice.
  • The only morality is civilization. Any belief or ideology that works against civilization is evil no matter how well-intentioned.
  • Traditional values are not accidental. They are non-ideological social adaptations that provide good solutions to complex social problems. Cultures separated by vast amounts of time and geography independently converged on similar values. Values converged because cultures that implemented these values had a competitive advantage over their neighbors and became civilizations. Cultures that did not implement them failed and are forgotten.
  • Modern conservatives are last century’s progressives. Many ideas held by “conservatives” today were progressive (sometimes radically so) in the past.
  • Neoreactionaries acknowledge the legitimate flaws inherent to Democracies and are “predisposed, in any case, to perceive the politically awakened masses as a howling irrational mob, it conceives the dynamics of democratization as fundamentally degenerative: systematically consolidating and exacerbating private vices, resentments, and deficiencies until they reach the level of collective criminality and comprehensive social corruption.”
  • A system of No Voice-Free Exit in large hyper-federalist states or small independent city states is the optimal political arrangement. Singapore is an imprecise example with little political voice, but massive economic freedom and high levels of prosperity. City-states would be in constant competition for minds and business and risk losing economically valuable citizens and businesses if poorly run since they can easily relocate. This creates an incentive to remain economically and socially free.
  • Neoreactionaries accept human biological diversity. Individual humans and human groups differ in ability, psychological disposition, intelligence, and other traits for genetic reasons. Genetics can explain 50% or more of the differences in lifetime outcomes within and between human groups. Other factors are minor by comparison.
  • Recognition of HBD necessitates the rejection of the core progressive dogma of egalitarianism. Race and gender are not social constructs and everyone personally experiences that not all men or women are created equal. It is easier to believe in Leprechauns than to believe in egalitarianism.
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[–]Shortonoil 14 points15 points16 points  (4 children)
We often talk about how equality is a myth here and on the right but yes fortunately feminism WILL blow itself out. But let's not fall into the naturalistic fallacy, that feminism will fail because of human nature. I find this argument to be a little bit weak and it involves a great deal of speculation on the person making the argument. This is a general post and is not meant to attack the article.
The fallacy of things being natural or unnatural is meaningless, everything in a real sense, especially ideas, are natural. Because we are the the ones that create them. Now ideas that go against human nature may be relevant to the masses but certainly to people pushing feminism they think that what they're pushing is human nature.
After all, they're claiming now that we are like the "gentle bonobo" and that we lived in matriarchal tribal structures. If this is true (might be, various chimps are matriarchal) then truly this would be the most inferior system ever created. As an "unnatural" traditionalism went further in a few thousand years than 190,000 years of matriarchal domination (modern anthropologists believe modern humans lived for about 200,000 years).
The question should not be what is natural or whether feminism will come to end because of nature. It should be whether or not feminism is sustainable and looking at historical examples we can see this is monstrously false. Many empires including but not limited to the Ancient Greeks, Ancient Romans, and various Islamic empires (late 1100's) improved women's rights right before their collapse. Similarly America is doing the same thing, improving women's rights before their collapse. These "rights" should be in quotations because in reality they are more like massive privileges afforded by endless white-knighting.
Feminism will either be drowned due to the collapse or the feminist empire will collapse due to an outside force. In any case it's a fast and hard descent downward. A good example is like Russia, look at how profoundly anti-feminist they became after their fall. Feminism will be destroyed but only if the nation undergoes a great shock to it's own core.
One last thing, modern feminism is dependent on both the internet and the prison industrial complex. Without the internet feminism would probably be a small shell of what it once was and people would stop giving a shit. The problem for feminists now is one of constant reinforcement, they go onto the same blogs pushing them in that same tunnel vision worldview. I think we're all guilty of this but they are among the worst sufferers.
The most outrageous claim I've ever heard is feminists that are for prison abolition. At face value this is a ludicrous claim because their system of throwing any men in jail they don't like would be immediately smashed. But without the convenience and money to pay for modern jailing the prison complex would shut down. Instead feminists should ask how many large industrial sized prisons were there in the pre-industrial times. Not many at all. They simultaneously call for outrageous punishments for harassment, sex now needs consent, rape, assault while being against prisons? (Which I know is a more extreme view) This my friends, is doublethink, holding to conflicting viewpoints but holding them both equally.
[–]RexAnglorumSaxonum 1 point2 points3 points  (3 children)
Many empires including but not limited to the Ancient Greeks, Ancient Romans, and various Islamic empires (late 1100's) improved women's rights right before their collapse. Similarly America is doing the same thing, improving women's rights before their collapse. These "rights" should be in quotations because in reality they are more like massive privileges afforded by endless white-knighting.
I have noticed this trend as well but I am still on the fence on whether its correlation or causation. Right now I view feminism as a symptom of the bigger problem but it certainly adds to the bigger problem once it gains enough momentum.
[–]Shortonoil 1 point2 points3 points  (2 children)
I agree fully that correlation is not causation. It should be thought of instead as a symptom of dying societies instead of as a direct cause of the decline. The real decline cause might be the whole of liberalism with feminism being a terrible symptom of it.
[–]RexAnglorumSaxonum 0 points1 point2 points  (1 child)
The real decline cause might be the whole of liberalism
I tend to think that too but the world has been trending to the left since the Enlightenment. At this present time I admit that I am not sure how to square that fact. Perhaps downfall occurs with the radicalization of women's rights, or with a sudden massive C change in the way societies views women's rights.
I am not terribly well versed in Ancient Greek and Roman civilization, it would be interesting to see if there were other movements that paralleled feminism - such as minority rights, etc. If similar movements did occur then I'd say it's fair to put the blame at liberalisms feet as a whole.
[–]vakerr[S] 0 points1 point2 points  (0 children)
I'm not an expert either, but I did read that affluence in Rome also resulted in awarding more rights to women. The open question is whether affluence leads to the fall without women's rights. Or is w's r a required step for the fall and things would stay stable without emotion based politics.
[–]NeoreactionSafe 9 points10 points11 points  (0 children)
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"Are you PC or post-PC?"
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That is a way to frame a question towards an unknown stranger to know their frame of reference. Assume PC is the "default" and Red Pill / Dark Enlightenment is the thing coming "after" because in reality that was the sequence.
Feminism will die when the entire PC progressive myth is revealed as false.
I really don't think you can separate Feminism from the overall progressive myth.
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[–]Bookkeep 5 points6 points7 points  (6 children)
Almost certainly.
Most social and political movements move in waves, it's a boom and bust cycle for social markets. The "Rape Culture" scare is just the latest in a long line of scares. Remember Satanic Baby cults and MacCarthyism? They grow unchecked untill someone points out that the Emperor is naked.
I'm starting to see signs of it being checked, PC culture is starting to be questioned in mainstream media outlets. Southpark is making it cutting edge to laugh at PC culture.
There will be remnants of the PC wave left over and these may have lasting effects, but it will recede as all movements have done over history.
[–]Ave_Middleaged_Dude 3 points4 points5 points  (4 children)
McCarthy may have been nuts, but he wasnt wrong. We indeed had massive infiltration of soviet spys or sympathizers in our state department and army command.
[–]Bookkeep 1 point2 points3 points  (2 children)
Of course, my point was to highlight the overreaction and the ineptitude of the response rather then the fact that it wasn't needed.
[–]Ave_Middleaged_Dude 0 points1 point2 points  (1 child)
Understood. its not the initial idea that is wrong, it is the religious zealotry which its subsequent adherents use to push the idea beyond all form of reason.
[–]Bookkeep 1 point2 points3 points  (0 children)
As an addendum and a further reasoning for my original post;
Which is why I'm not too worried about progressive degeneracy. It is a worrying trend, but like all Humans, they are concerned with power, being at the forefront of this "wave" provides them with power and a sense of being at the forefront of a noble crusade. It's easy to see why they continue to push this.
The reason I believe that it will recede eventually is that the power generally comes at the expense of others. Eventually they will encroach on too many people's turf and receive pushback, something which has not occoured thus far because it is always dressed up in noble sounding platitudes.
[–]vakerr[S] 1 point2 points3 points  (0 children)
From the documents declassified in the meantime it's clear McCarthy has been right all along and got undeservedly smeared by the left.
[–]Trigger_Warnings 0 points1 point2 points  (0 children)
Southpark has always poked fun at political correctness, go back and watch the first few seasons and the put some shit in the Democrats for having fascist speech laws.
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