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Bahar Mustafa, who allegedly tweeted #killallwhitemen, has been summonsed to court (news.met.police.uk)

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[–]FrankehSouth East 69ポイント70ポイント  (165子コメント)

Malicious communication

Sounds like the Communications Act 2003 striking again. Horrible bit of legislation, imo. Completely not fit for purpose now we have social media and the internet is as prominent as it is.

It was meant to stop targeted harassment of people over phone/email/etc, which is fair enough. But it's being applied to the internet, where a status update or a tweet is completely indiscriminate in who it gets read by.

Due to the wording of the Communication Act, someone reading your tweet or facebook status only needs to find it offensive and you're guilty.

An absurd application of law. A horrible infringement on freedom of speech.

[–]Leeham721 7ポイント8ポイント  (6子コメント)

Due to the wording of the Communication Act, someone reading your tweet or facebook status only needs to find it offensive and you're guilty.

https://icecreaminpakistan.files.wordpress.com/2014/08/valenti-mocking-men.jpg

I'm extremely offended by Jessica Valenti of The Guardian. As a deeply depressed male, my "tears" represent the daily struggle with convincing myself not to commit suicide. After seeing that Tweet, I now have PTSD.

/s on most of that.

I imagine it would be that easy to cause a storm, especially with someone like Valenti who is somewhat of a celebrity, compared to Mustafa at least.

All I have to do is not look at her Tweets. That HAS to be the end of the interaction. Turn it off.

On the back of the U.N.'s recent claims about 'criticising someone online' being 'cyber violence' and equal to real violence (not even joking), this is extremely worrying. (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=prmprJyPyv0)

'PC gone mad!' just got super real.

[–]11111N 2ポイント3ポイント  (5子コメント)

that's a picture of a tweet mocking misogynists though?

[–]Leeham721 [スコア非表示]  (4子コメント)

mocking misogynists

It's exactly what Mustafa was doing, according to her response to the initial controversy.

http://www.goldsmithssu.org/asset/News/6013/NoConfidenceResponse.pdf

It won't copy/paste properly so just ctrl+F 'joke' to find the relevant phrase.

[–]barneygaleGreater London [スコア非表示]  (3子コメント)

It says:

Regarding my use of hashtags: these were done on my personal account, which is separate to my work account. However, I still recognise and understand how these can be alienating and troubling to some. These are in-jokes and ways that many people in the queer feminist community express ourselves - it's a way of reclaiming power from the trauma many of us experience as queers, women, people of colour, who are on the receiving end of racism, misogyny and homophobia daily. These are not political stances.

Which seems fair enough to me. She's not seriously advocating for people to be killed, otherwise she'd have written more about it rather than sticking it in a throwaway hashtag. As she says, it's not a political stance, and you'd have to be wearing several layers of tin foil hats to think otherwise. Whether you think it was funny or not doesn't really make any difference to whether she should be charged.

[–]LetterbocksOnen hag oll 16ポイント17ポイント  (1子コメント)

Seriously, whatever the bar is for criminalising shit said on twitter (if there really should be one), it needs to be a lot higher than this.

[–]QuiteSomeBiscuit 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

Would it be a potential criminal act to say #KillAllWhiteDogs, I wonder.

[–]Sir_Bantersaurus 37ポイント38ポイント  (12子コメント)

I appreciate the sense of schadenfreude and even comeuppance that comes with this but I can't be anything but depressed that a tweet clearly meant either in jest or ironically results in a court appearance.

[–]thmsbshThat London[S] 18ポイント19ポイント  (2子コメント)

Just for the record, I don't have any schadenfreude, despite being a dangerous white man. The growing criminalisation of tweets is a worrying trend.

Remember that guy who said he'd blow up the airport?

[–]Sir_Bantersaurus 5ポイント6ポイント  (1子コメント)

Yeah that was depressing. Incidentally I wasn't implying you, as OP, were in favor of this.

[–]thmsbshThat London[S] 4ポイント5ポイント  (0子コメント)

Yeah, I'm just aware she's not well liked on this sub (from the last time she popped up in the news) so I was wary about posting it. Still, wanted to see the reaction.

[–]bonjouratous 3ポイント4ポイント  (2子コメント)

I agree, common sense would have been for her to be punished by her student union not by the judicial system.

[–]MrZakalweGod's own county 3ポイント4ポイント  (1子コメント)

It would but this is the students union that elected her in a university that published guidelines against microwaving sausage rolls in communal kitchens to prevent the alienation of Jews and Muslims.

[–]yer-what 7ポイント8ポイント  (3子コメント)

How was it clearly meant as a joke, or ironically? I mean I understand it's not a literal instruction... But I'd put it more under a category of 'value signalling' than comedy or irony.

[–]Sir_Bantersaurus 3ポイント4ポイント  (0子コメント)

Well I think it's ironic in the sense (how she would see it) that she is using oppressive language against the perceived oppressors. It could also be a send-up of how she thinks people perceive her.

[–]squigsLeicestershire 5ポイント6ポイント  (1子コメント)

It's hyperbole.

No reasonable person is going to see that and genuinely believe that she wants to kill all white men. Do you (assuming you're white and male) afraid that she might?

[–]yer-what 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

Do you (assuming you're white and male) afraid that she might?

Err, no, that's why I said that 'I understand it's not a literal instruction'. But people who post crap like this aren't doing it for laughs or because it's lolz so ironic either... It's a signal to their mates that they are the most right-on.

If I was being cynical I'd also say it's overcompensation from someone who finds themselves in the embarrassing position of being a 'Diversity Officer' whilst looking and sounding very, very white, middle-class and British.

[–]TheCommieDuckWiltshire 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

It was clearly (and sadly) meant in seriousness, it seems.

[–]gooooooooby 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

If anything it's ironic because these are the retards that so desperately want the internet to be censored and policed

[–]Othersideofthemirror 4ポイント5ポイント  (0子コメント)

I'm a big anti-identity politics, pro-free speech guy, and I waste too much of my time arguing with BaharMustafas out there, but this is the very reason why I counter the extreme side of the socjus crowd, who march to safe space the world and ban anyone who says anything "offensive".

If the police can be used by people in Twitter arguments to arrest people on the perception of offence, we are all in danger, as the outrage mob get offended over just about anything.

Clearly this is a stupid tweet, and is not a threat.

[–]muddy_shoes 11ポイント12ポイント  (1子コメント)

The police shouldn't be pulling anyone up about this stuff. The only silver lining is that it might clue in "her sort" that they shouldn't be so keen on such laws and so sure they'll never be in the firing line.

[–]TwelveBoreEngland [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

The police shouldn't be pulling anyone up about this stuff.

They do though, all the time. Where was this free speech outrage when a man went to prison for calling Fabrice Muamba the 'N-word'?

[–]CMCyantistBest Yorkshire 🍺🍺🍺 15ポイント16ポイント  (26子コメント)

"allegedly". I know they have to print this, but she did, and admitted it, and called it a joke.

This will be delicious if she gets served with something.

[–]cabaretcabaret 18ポイント19ポイント  (3子コメント)

Hoisted by her own retard

[–]gsurfer04Coventry+Hartlepool - Honorary Canadian 2ポイント3ポイント  (2子コメント)

Was that typo intentional?

[–]MrZakalweGod's own county 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

Had to be.

[–]lifeandthensomeWrexham 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

She's a pretty daft alright, but you shouldn't be able to fuck people over because of a tweet.

[–]oddun 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

She's a fucking idiot but in the same breath, why are people being prosecuted for tweets?

It's not right.

Edit - just seen that loads of other people have said exactly the same thing. So that's pretty good. Not much we can do about it though.

[–]razzmatazz234 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

probably just a NOFX fan. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7bh9xQ0i2bw

[–]richardjohnLondon 8ポイント9ポイント  (2子コメント)

Don't agree with her being charged with this, but then I do wish she could be charged just for being an absolute moron.

Imagine tweeting calling people 'white trash' from your company's Twitter account? That's essentially what she did. She's an excellent example of why everybody should leave uni by 21.

[–]thmsbshThat London[S] 6ポイント7ポイント  (0子コメント)

As a 27-year-old in uni, I resent that >_>

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    [–]elemmcee 12ポイント13ポイント  (4子コメント)

    Allegedly? She did. She has multiple times and proudly done so. She's a racist.

    [–]topher_rSurrey 0ポイント1ポイント  (2子コメント)

    It's alleged until justice does its work.

    [–]elemmcee 5ポイント6ポイント  (1子コメント)

    I thought the word 'allegedly' is only required when the facts are in dispute ?

    [–]Caldariblue [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

    She may well dispute the facts in her defence.

    [–]khriswithak -1ポイント0ポイント  (0子コメント)

    she might have been hacked!

    [–]OwlsParliament 5ポイント6ポイント  (2子コメント)

    I seriously hope this gets thrown out of court.

    I don't agree with what she said, I find it idiotic, but pursuing her through the courts or getting hitpieces written on her in national publications is completely inappropriate.

    [–]the_beees_kneesEngland 5ポイント6ポイント  (0子コメント)

    Please the reason this is being pushed in the media is because it is delicious irony. She is a rich middle class girl who is racist and abusive to white people while claiming loudly that these things are impossible because reasons.

    If we really want these laws to be revoked or at least changed then people like her need to realise that they work both ways, not just against the white dude.

    [–]SYSTEM_USER 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

    The law is idiotic. But if it is the law, then it needs to be upheld without double standards. Rightly or wrongly there are many publications and people who espouse the view that the authorities apply the law unevenly.

    If authorities pick and choose laws to apply erratically, then that way anarchy lies.

    [–]YoureASoldierBodie 5ポイント6ポイント  (0子コメント)

    How can she get charged for this when Katie Hopkins is barely questioned over wanting to kill immigrants?

    [–]EnderMB 1ポイント2ポイント  (1子コメント)

    If you were thinking about jumping onto Twitter to read about this story, don't. Some of the views being expressed are enough to give you a headache.

    [–]Leeham721 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

    Thankfully #IStandWithBaharMustafa is taking off. Good job it's nice and snappy and memorable.

    [–]iMissTheDays 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

    Ah shit, I hate her so so so much, but she's about to get hammered by one of the most obviously fascist laws we have on the books, the an anti terror law the police now use against people who say mean things....

    [–]HPBDurham 1ポイント2ポイント  (2子コメント)

    I'm going for

    £75 fine

    £85 costs

    £15 victim surcharge

    £175 total.

    [–]Othersideofthemirror [スコア非表示]  (1子コメント)

    and a criminal record. Goodbye to anything paying over minimum wage in the future. (or at least, ramp up the chances of rejection by a significant amount)

    She's an idiot, anyone googling her name would see that, but she doesnt deserve a criminal record for a tweet that was clearly not a threat or serious incitement.

    [–]HPBDurham [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

    Agreed. This is not worthy of a criminal conviction.

    [–]Cyril_ClungeExpat 4ポイント5ポイント  (11子コメント)

    People rag on about hating SJWs because they attempt to police the language.

    Now the police have literally summoned someone to a court about a tweet that yes, was stupid but was hyperbolic, and people are glad it's happened.

    Where's the uproar? Where are the slippery slope arguments saying that the next people to be arrested will be those criticizing the government and allusions to thought police?

    [–]m1ndwipe 4ポイント5ポイント  (1子コメント)

    Where's the uproar? Where are the slippery slope arguments saying that the next people to be arrested will be those criticizing the government and allusions to thought police?

    Even though I think it was a stupid thing to say, I will absolutely say those things when it's made clear which tweets are being discussed. Because the dates on the police documentation aren't the ones where the reported tweets were made. So maybe she has said something that genuinely constituted a specific threat to someone.

    When more facts are apparent, if it's just her stupid tweets, then I will absolutely say that legal intervention here is absolutely stupid and very worrying.

    [–]Cyril_ClungeExpat 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

    That makes sense, from the Guardian article posted elsewhere I thought it was in relation to the tweets.

    [–]Othersideofthemirror [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

    The #BaharMustafa hashtag has many anti-SJW writers and bloggers (from Spiked, reason, gamergate etc) defending Bahar Mustafa. This is clearly a free speech issue.

    [–]Nice-MayMay [スコア非表示]  (1子コメント)

    Would your position change, once it was shown she advocated violence?

    https://twitter.com/HeQuiLait/status/650986621618266112

    http://imgur.com/TppQMQ1 http://imgur.com/WRsHeqw

    [–]Cyril_ClungeExpat [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

    That does change my position slightly. I'm not going to disagree that she's going on about this the wrong way and should think more before she tweets.

    Also there's the whole school of thought where left-wing change can only come about through violent revolution but whether that's her line of thinking remains to be seen.

    [–]mao_was_rightpoverty [スコア非表示]  (1子コメント)

    Where's the uproar? Where are the slippery slope arguments saying that the next people to be arrested will be those criticizing the government and allusions to thought police?

    ...Have you read this comment section?

    [–]Cyril_ClungeExpat [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

    There are more comments here than when I commented and in the /r/news comments, there was a lot of "throw the book at her!" type comments.

    [–]QuiteSomeBiscuit 1ポイント2ポイント  (1子コメント)

    Because it was not about justice, it was about being against her.

    And that really troubles me. If you love the freedom to speak your mind on the internet and hate internet policing, don't be so childishly offended when someone says #killallwhitemen. Say; "haHA! That's the sort of jokes I like to make about women in kitchens!" and move on with your life.

    [–]childofthecovenant [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

    it's a binary choice - you either repeal the hate speech legislation, or enforce it equally. as long as hate speech laws exist, I will rejoice in every application of them. because the law must be absolute, blind and of infinite reach.

    [–]cabaretcabaret [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

    95% of comments are against her being charged.

    [–]AntonioOfVenice [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

    People rag on about hating SJWs because they attempt to police the language.

    Language that doesn't involve killing people, mind you. I find it fascinating that SJWs will scream about a scientist's shirt, but calls to genocide? No, we'll defend those.

    [–]FartDaemon 6ポイント7ポイント  (5子コメント)

    Good. Perhaps this will kick some sense into her. Racism is racism no matter the target.

    [–]dystopian_nowEngland [スコア非表示]  (1子コメント)

    Yes as a white male I will sleep much more soundly tonight knowing that the tyranny of this maniac is at an end.

    [–]LikelyHungover [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

    i'l also sleep soundly knowing once she's got herself a criminal record, she can tell all her co-workers about Gramsci while she's grilling my fucking big mac.

    [–]GweskoyenEuropean Union [スコア非表示]  (2子コメント)

    With the small difference that white racism has the whole power of the establishment and centuries of historical oppression behind it. Anti-white racism...not so much.

    [–]TwelveBoreEngland [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

    The problem with that point of view is that you are insinuating that the white person making the racist comment is to be judged on the actions of people he/she has absolutely nothing to do with.

    Bahar Mustafa is not a part of an oppressed minority group though. Ignoring the fact that she is, for all intensive purposes to most people, a white-looking individual, the Turkish people have historically committed horrific acts against people they deemed inferior. If you are to judge the white person based on the crimes of his/her white predecessors, then surely you are to judge her on the actions of the Turkish people and recognise that her comments can be considered "oppressive"?

    [–]shutyourgob [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

    Oh, I guess anti-white hatred and bigotry is fine then.

    [–]backtowriting 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

    Absolutely appalling. Free speech is continuing to erode in the UK, and one day you might find that it is your speech which is banned.

    [–]fasmaverick 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

    While I'm not too keen on the Communications Act 2003 striking again, especially as many have pointed out that we now live in a world of social media, I still don't understand why she thought this would be a funny/good thing to tweet - especially in the position she was in at the time.

    [–]topher_rSurrey 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

    Well, presumably she disputes it :p

    [–]PreacherjonsonWakey [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

    So is the whole of Tumblr going to be summonsed next?

    [–]childofthecovenant [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

    Sending letter / communication / article conveying a threatening message between 10 November 2014 and 31 May 2015.

    I think this is the principal reason for her being charged - she has also sent someone racist marxist hate speech through PM.

    [–]shutyourgob [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

    Luckily for her, minorities don't stand to gain from racism (apart from when they don't lose their job for acting like infantile bigots when a white person would be a jobless pariah) so the case should be thrown out of court!

    Oh you wacky, irreverent minorities. What will you say next?

    [–]bluescrn [スコア非表示]  (1子コメント)

    I'd much rather see more freedom of speech online - but if we're going to prosecute people for mean tweets, then we should certainly do it regardless of their gender or political viewpoints.

    [–]DeusBex [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

    To be fair, there's freedom of speech and then there's inciting violence. I'm pretty certain telling people online, even if only jokingly on Twitter, to commit genocide on a race falls into the latter there.

    [–]bjb2306 [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

    What she said didnt offend me, but this makes me laugh because if it was the other way around... she would be so happy.

    [–]EwanWhoseArmyCumberland -1ポイント0ポイント  (0子コメント)

    HA

    [–]mullac53 -3ポイント-2ポイント  (2子コメント)

    A lot of people here indicating she's being made a criminal for this. She's not. Being summonsed to court is basically being asked to explain your actions.

    [–]JohnShitWiltshire 8ポイント9ポイント  (0子コメント)

    No mate, that isn't what it means. You might want to read the link, where it details the specific criminal offences that she's been charged with. She hasn't been convicted of anything at present, but she isn't being called in for an informal chat either.

    [–]EwanWhoseArmyCumberland 6ポイント7ポイント  (0子コメント)

    She has been charged