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[–]chrisjayyyy 1028ポイント1029ポイント  (207子コメント)

having an "entourage" of childhood friends would be comforting, but a friend you've had just as long who is also a major hollywood star? it just makes life so much easier. there would never be any kind of awkwardness over the multi thousand dollar courtside tickets, or last minute getaway to Monaco. And you can relate to all the same problems. I'd be holding on to that friendship for dear life.

[–]Brokentoothproductio 134ポイント135ポイント  (192子コメント)

They even destroy their friends' careers together. SO MUCH FUN!!! www.freedonsplum.com

[–]BoringPersonAMA 225ポイント226ポイント  (113子コメント)

Has anyone seen this flick Don's Plum? Because at the very beginning he says it was "destined for arthouse success," which is exactly what every indie director thinks of their movie.

Dude sounds pretty whiny to me.

[–]emmi_lulu 48ポイント49ポイント  (6子コメント)

They actually sold Don's Plum through Amazon in the netherlands a few years ago and I was lucky to get the DVD. The film is alright, but really, it's not a lost masterpiece or anything.

[–]KnifevsFace 14ポイント15ポイント  (3子コメント)

I don't think the quality of the movie was ever in dispute. It's an improv movie from the 90's. It's not going to be the fucking departed.

[–]Brokentoothproductio 6ポイント7ポイント  (0子コメント)

Totally! And that Don's Plum was being bought and enjoyed ANYWHERE after having been stolen from the filmmakers is why this is an important story. You guys watched a stolen movie. Those stars signed on to act in a film, and then fucked the filmmakers out of benefiting from it. Them and the fifty other people who worked on the film that would have benefited from the release of it, too. It's terrible.

Everybody was so fucking upset about The Interview last year and this is WAY worse than what happened to Franco and Rogan.

[–]ChinaskiBlur 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

I loved that movie. Leo's best (although I haven't seen them all). Yeah Don's Plum is just a little indie that deserves to exist like all others.

[–]ChinaskiBlur 1ポイント2ポイント  (1子コメント)

Yeah I don't claim that we made a masterpiece. But surely you agree that just because we didn't achieve a "masterpiece" that the film shouldn't be destroyed or discredited? Were Total Eclipse, or The Quick and the Dead, masterpieces? No. No.

[–]ChinaskiBlur 146ポイント147ポイント  (82子コメント)

Whiny guy here. When Harvey Weinstein (started Tarantino, K. Smith, R. Rodriguez, and on and on) is offering you 1.5MM for your less than 100K film and telling you that's your film is destined for success, you believe him. I don't know why most people have a hard time believing the unfamous - it's a strange phenomenon to me.

Edit: Cool, thanks for the gold!

[–]BoringPersonAMA 134ポイント135ポイント  (9子コメント)

Hey man, I believe you, and I'm sorry all of this happened to you, but from an extremely objective third person who hadn't heard of you before today (me):

I don't care about your past. I'm not an executive or a producer. I don't care about the excuses you have for not making it before, and I don't care what Leonardo DiCaprio did to you or thinks of you. I care about good movies. If Don's Plum is as good as you think, showing it to everyone will prove that and your credibility with the audience (the people who matter) will skyrocket.

Right now, literally the only thing I know about you is that you made a movie once that you think was good, and have a ton of people lined up to play the blame game with as to why it never got released. Reading all of that was a huge turn off to me in regards to supporting anything you have coming out in the short term. I love indie movies. I'm involved in indies myself, and I know first hand how hard it can be to convince a complete stranger of an angle you're very passionate about. That being said, this is not the way to do it.

Show people Don's Plum like you're saying you will. If it's good, you'll be fine.

I'm really not trying to be a dick, and again I'm sorry all of this has come to such a head for you personally, but reddit is a great place for objective feedback and I think you should take full advantage of that, in regards to your film and approach to the situation in general.

[–]hungryhungryME 43ポイント44ポイント  (0子コメント)

It's been shown to many people - before the lawsuit and screenings in Europe. I believe the general consensus was "eh, pretty good, not great - pretty typical for 90's low-budget indie films". My impression is that it's only notable for including now-famous movie stars.

[–]menotyou16 7ポイント8ポイント  (0子コメント)

People don't always like to hear things that disagree with them. As an outsider, I can tell you that I do not think you came off as a dick. It's true, most people don't care about the past between these two people. Let the film speak for itself, then, if people ask why it wasn't released earlier, you can bash Leo to them.

[–]ChinaskiBlur 12ポイント13ポイント  (4子コメント)

Thanks. I'm all good. I didn't write the letter for any other reason than to begin the process of getting our film released in America and to dispel the lies that were perpetrated against the film and it's makers by both Leo and Tobey. You can have a look at the IMDB reviews, read a couple of the good ones on Rotten Tomatoes if you're interested, yeah I think it's good. I'm not alone. Doesn't matter though - none of this is about me, it's about stopping a film that they willingly made, and then going on to literally destroy people's lives wielding a shit-ton of power and influence. I'm not asking anyone to care, I don't expect anything. I'm just fighting my good fight and I will until I'm dead or my film is released. It's lookin' good for the former!!!

[–]johnd5926 9ポイント10ポイント  (1子コメント)

Man... I kinda hope you meant it's lookin' good for the latter. You shouldn't really be looking forward to the former.

[–]ChinaskiBlur 8ポイント9ポイント  (0子コメント)

haha... I kid! I'm a hopeless romantic and so I, deep down inside, believe Don's Plum with have it's day.

[–]debacol 5ポイント6ポイント  (3子コメント)

Well, I read your story... and though I don't have any counterpoints from Tobey, I would not be entirely surprised that he acted like this. Regardless, I hope your movie gets released one day. The one critic that calls it a teenage Cassavetes has me intrigued.

[–]ChinaskiBlur 2ポイント3ポイント  (2子コメント)

Thanks for the well wishes. I have rez copy up at freedonsplum.com just click on The Film. The young Cassavetes comment was one of the most complementary we ever received. We were on to something--just took a tough hit.

[–]debacol 2ポイント3ポイント  (1子コメント)

Right on, I'll watch it. Good luck getting it out there.

[–]sndzag1[🍰] 2ポイント3ポイント  (2子コメント)

is offering you 1.5MM for your less than 100K film and telling you that's your film is destined for success

Did you decline the offer or what?

[–]ChinaskiBlur 2ポイント3ポイント  (1子コメント)

We didn't but didn't accept either. The film was pretty hot and we had a lot interest so we wanted explore other offers. Miramax wanted world-wide rights, in perpetuity, with no backend for the filmmakers. In retrospect we should have taken it (although I would guess it would have been shelved once the dispute broke out) but at least everyone would have been paid. That was what sucked the most--a lot people didn't get their checks--their much needed checks. Oh the regrets! So we ended up working with Lars Von Trier's company in Denmark after all the dust settled. Took a few years but the crew got paid. So there's that.

[–]Jambulaya 7ポイント8ポイント  (4子コメント)

Just leak the thing

[–]worldDev 7ポイント8ポイント  (2子コメント)

It's on that website for free...

[–]Jambulaya 2ポイント3ポイント  (1子コメント)

Oh well then who cares. People saw it.

[–]Brokentoothproductio 5ポイント6ポイント  (0子コメント)

People see it, people buy it, the filmmakers make zero money, that's a problem.

The film's lawsuit settlement was fraudulent and they got illegally screwed out of profits of their work. I don't know about you, but when I enjoy someone's art, I want them to profit from it. It's only fair.

[–]DeadSeaGulls 9ポイント10ポイント  (57子コメント)

because he comes right out of the gates talking about mysterious purposes and conspiracy. doesn't matter if it was the president himself, this sounds delusional.

[–]verified-by-visa 4ポイント5ポイント  (2子コメント)

“This is the movie that Kids wanted so desperately to be… every moment feels utterly true… Robb cited Mike Leigh in the post-film Q&A, but his film is a lot closer to teenage Cassavetes… Superb ensemble work – DiCaprio hasn’t been this strong since This Boy’s Life, and his is among the least effective performances here” - Mike D’Angelo for Time Out New York

Looks good to me.

Director dude: can you link to a copy of the Variety article? On your site it mentions "what’s up with this Variety article?" before we've been able to see the Variety article.

[–]Brokentoothproductio 4ポイント5ポイント  (0子コメント)

The Variety article doesn't exist online. It was two lines in their magazine in 1996 or 97 announcing the screening of the completed film. Leo and Tobey hadn't seen it yet, so they were nervous about it, but Leo and his agents obviously loved the film at the screening (he was literally jumping out of his seat with laughter). Tobey was out of town shooting Cider House, so he missed it, but saw a private screening after.

But, as a consolation prize, this is a link to the Detour magazine interview in which Leo claims RD Robb "slanders" him. It's so obvious to see how Tobey succeeded in making Leo paranoid about "pitting the press" - the press was awful to Leo at that time, accusing him of being gay and/or a misogynist constantly.

http://www.anlimara.com/articles/detour.html

[–]ChinaskiBlur 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

Hope you get a chance to watch it. Yeah the Variety article that really blew it all up wasn't archived. It was a tiny blurb.

[–]ChinaskiBlur 17ポイント18ポイント  (53子コメント)

I'm happy to answer any questions. If you read the entire letter you would see that I quote Tobey from the lawsuit. I offer verifiable facts. I suffer from no delusions. I'm a normal dude who got screwed. It happens to a lot of people, just so happens the guys who screwed me are famous. And so people, like yourself, jump to their defense and quickly dismiss me as delusional, or some other baseless insult. All for the love and un-love of people you don't even know. My offer remains, I'm happy to answer any questions. Cheers!

[–]Undeniablytheworst 15ポイント16ポイント  (7子コメント)

I don't understand how you could be friends with them, and yet be unable to agree with them about the film. It sounds like Tobey and Leo wanted a short film, and you pushed too hard to make it a feature film. The article really works around the issues that happened without touching it directly, so could you clearly tell us what their problem with the film was?

[–]ChinaskiBlur 4ポイント5ポイント  (6子コメント)

The issue of a short vs. a feature is rather ridiculous. We didn't specify and even if we did it wouldn't matter. We're filmmakers, we shot and then we cut it together and it was 70+minutes. It's absurd that an actor would, for their own purposes, stop the work of others (literally dozens of artists lost their work) on a harmless indie... So it had to be something more and I can only speculate what that would be. I can say, as a matter of fact, that it was Tobey alone who sought to destroy it. I'm just trying to protect it.

[–]well_versed 7ポイント8ポイント  (11子コメント)

After reading your open letter, I still don't understand Tobey's motive for wanting the movie to burn? Can you explain that more? He was mad that the movie was prematurely announced in a Variety article?

[–]Red-Pill 11ポイント12ポイント  (0子コメント)

From the link someone else posted in a top level comment:http://www.buzzfeed.com/katienotopoulos/catching-up-with-leonardo-dicaprios-90s-pssy-p#.akkr4kO1n

Robb was a child actor in A Christmas Story, and he directed the film Don’s Plum, starring his posse pals Leo, Tobey Maguire, Kevin Connolly, Scott Bloom, and Amber Benson. The premise of the film was a group of friends talking about life and sex around a restaurant, with a lot of improvisational dialogue. Before it could be released, McGuire and DiCaprio sued to block the film’s release. According to reports gathered by New York magazine, Maguire was worried his misogynistic and foul-mouthed ad-libbing would damage his reputation, and got Leo to use his clout to have the film’s distribution dropped by Miramax. The film was never released in the U.S. and Canada, only abroad.

[–]ChinaskiBlur 3ポイント4ポイント  (9子コメント)

Well here's where it's complicated. Great question, btw. So I can speculate having been right in the middle of it all. I believe that Tobey is a text-book narcissist. Hollywood is a very competitive place and think Don's Plum threatened him. Perhaps is was the fact that RD might blow-up as an indie director. Or, that Connelly would have gotten a lot of attention (he was outstanding in the film). Whatever the reason(s) Tobey, and only Tobey, wanted the film dead. In the big "verbal bludgeoning" at Connelly's Leo said the following to me, it aches to this day--"My agents told me I don't have to worry about the film, it's like a dollhouse or whatever (referring to Welcome to the Dollhouse, an outstanding movie if you haven't seen it). Then he turned to Connelly and Bloom and said, "If I do this I'm doing it for you guys, not these pieces of shit (referring to RD and myself). The Variety article gave Tobey the fuel to ignite what can only be described as a ridiculous witch hunt for my and the Director's head... I swear all we did was make a movie - and all they did was act in it.

[–]madmaxturbator 18ポイント19ポイント  (8子コメント)

hey, I read your open letter and I read some of the other articles related to it. I read your comments here, as well as other people's comments on here.

I personally can't think of a tobey maguire movie I genuinely love (I didn't like seabiscuit, spiderman was ok because it was good action, but tobey was annoying). despite reddit's obsession with leonardo di caprio, I am not such a big fan. he's acted in some really entertaining movies, but I don't see him as like "my favorite actor", even remotely.

so I am not coming at this in a biased "tobey & leo fan" perspective.

but like, what you are saying in your comments and in the open letter ... seem so questionable to me.

your main argument is that "tobey is a text-book narcissist"? because he didn't want a movie that was filmed when he was 20 years old, where he ad-libbed misogynistic lines to be released ... ?

a dude trying to protect himself from a really shitty backlash that would be INEVITABLE is a horrible person? the only reason you say that is because it cost you fame, money, recognition, whatever it is that you're looking for.

I mean, your movie being released would mean that every single line of his would be completely misinterpreted, he would be dragged through the mud, he'd lose a lot of jobs, his family & friends would be forced to talk to media, he would have a black mark as a grade a asshole (which is what you seem to be trying to do now...)

I mean fucks sake, he did something that was protective of himself, but do you even know what it means to call someone a "narcissist"? dude was trying to not ruin his life, for the cost of a fairly mediocre film that wasn't going to change anyone's lives (vast majority of comments & reviews I've read from folks who have watched your movie say that it was "ok" at best).

leonardo di caprio sticking up for his friend seems about right to me. life is tough. you stand up for those you give a damn about. he cared more about tobey than he cared about you. you didn't give a damn about either haha.

you wanted to release something they didn't want out because they worried about how it would affect them. you claim they are narcissist but it sounds like you only gave a damn about yourself too. you wanted it released, regardless of how it would affect their lives. and it sounds like they stopped seeing you as a friend.

what they did was fucking cutthroat no doubt. they just barreled through you basically, they used their connections and contacts to make sure you didn't get to release the movie.

but it's a far cry from saying they're horrible human beings , or people with personality disorders. sounds like you would've been just as happy putting them in a world of shit because you wanted your movie to be seen by the world, who cares if your friends in the movie would be the ones to face a tremendous backlash, and who cares if the movie wouldn't really gain much traction except for the tabloids where ... your friends would get dragged through the mud.

edit: I read your comment again, and holy shit haha. sounds like you & this director were basically seen as assholes by the rest of the people in this movie. you admit yourself that leonardo di caprio was willing to stake his just burgeoning reputation for his buddies connelly and a couple of the others. but he didn't want to do it for you. you call them assholes ... but it sounds like they just didn't want a mediocre movie to potentially derail their careers, but they were OK doing it for their friends if it made sense. just not for you and your director pal.

[–]nipple_fire 5ポイント6ポイント  (14子コメント)

If anybody would like to read about another person Tobey took a good shot at ruining w/ his psycho/paranoid controlling behavior, read about bat shit crazy he went in the world of underground highstakes poker:

http://www.amazon.com/Molly-Bloom/e/B00J6KTY98

Tobey was a big player in Molly Bloom's west coast game & if there's an ounce of truth this book, it's pretty consistent w/ what I just read about Don's Plumb & frankly they guy seems very unstable.

[–]keto_at_work 1ポイント2ポイント  (6子コメント)

Hi man, read the entire letter, and tried to click on the links at the top but it wouldn't let me. Can you post links to the other parts of the site, or is the front page it? Honestly, I'm very interested in seeing the movie now.

[–]ChinaskiBlur 3ポイント4ポイント  (4子コメント)

Which links are broken? Everything seems to be working on my Chromebook.

[–]keto_at_work 0ポイント1ポイント  (3子コメント)

I literally am unable to click any link at the top. I think the pop out social media bar is messing with my browser. Firefox on Windows 7. If I right click on a link, it only brings up the standard Firefox menu, there are no copy options at all.

[–]Ascott1989 41ポイント42ポイント  (57子コメント)

60% on rotten tomatoes, guy talks about the film like it's literally the best film ever made.

Edit : Read the open letter, it's genuinely a rather sad tale that may make you think differently about leonardo dicaprio and Tobey Maguire. It's only one side of the story but it's very interesting nonetheless.

[–]verified-by-visa 6ポイント7ポイント  (2子コメント)

Kids, which Time Out compared it to, has 48% and is considered genre defining. http://www.rottentomatoes.com/m/kids/

I want to watch this film. How can I?

[–]ChinaskiBlur 4ポイント5ポイント  (0子コメント)

www.freedonsplum.com click on The Film (sorry it's low-res).

PS. Time Out said Don's Plum was what Kid's wished it could be if I recall. Felt good to read but I still disagree.

[–]Brokentoothproductio 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

You can always buy a Don's Plum DVD from overseas, but the stupid region codes are tricky (I got mine from Mexico - "Juego Prohibido!")

Or this link has a low-res version for free, password "fairuse"

http://freedonsplum.com/The_Film

[–]luthervespers 8ポイント9ポイント  (1子コメント)

Sounds like Rotten Tomatoes... This is the best film ever, 60%!

[–]dekrant 15ポイント16ポイント  (0子コメント)

Best film of all time, 60% of the time.

[–]ChinaskiBlur 13ポイント14ポイント  (48子コメント)

No, I don't believe Don's Plum is even close to the best film ever made--But I'm proud of the work. Some people love it, some people hate it. It didn't deserve to be destroyed by egomaniacs. I don't understand why you feel the need to appear so degrading toward me when you have no reason for it. By the way arthouse success is modest, there's nothing boastful about it--just a few theatres and less boxoffice than Leo makes for single Hollywood pic. Mean people suck.

[–]KnifevsFace 5ポイント6ポイント  (1子コメント)

What sucks is there was never any argument over the quality of the movie. If the movie sucked and wasn't going to make any money I could see a legitimate reason for them trying to block it, but that doesn't seem to be the case here. What it all comes down to is money the movie was primed to make a decent amount of money. Tobey would rather piss it all away over some minute squabble just because he could. He doesn't sound like a good guy and his stories are basically him trying to justify his dickishness.

Redditors can be the most ignorant people and would rather pass off something as unimportant and whiney just because they can and have no interest.

[–]ChinaskiBlur 3ポイント4ポイント  (0子コメント)

Well thanks--you know it's easy for folks to dismiss this, and it's pretty low on the scale of importance (unless you're me of course!) but I feel an obligation to defend the film and those who made it. Cheers!

[–]Ascott1989 13ポイント14ポイント  (20子コメント)

You're using "me". Are you the author of the open letter?

[–]ChinaskiBlur 17ポイント18ポイント  (19子コメント)

Yes I am.

[–]NAHNAH12 2ポイント3ポイント  (3子コメント)

if I were In your shoes I'd sleep well at night knowing leo still doesn't have an Oscar.

[–]ChinaskiBlur 4ポイント5ポイント  (2子コメント)

He's gonna get one. He deserves it too--he's quite remarkable. I don't really blame him for any of this. I think he could have made better decisions for sure but he was misled and I was too afraid...Every time I see someone talk about it I get excited--all these years and Don's Plum lingers. There's solace in that.

[–]NAHNAH12 3ポイント4ポイント  (1子コメント)

Seems like an interesting concept for a movie bro. Sorry it had to turn out like it did. I like making short films as well so I can sympathize on something you put your heart into gets destroyed. At least people know more about it now.

[–]ChinaskiBlur 3ポイント4ポイント  (0子コメント)

Right on. Best of luck with your projects.

[–]Ascott1989 4ポイント5ポイント  (12子コメント)

Right, so I've read the entire thing. Certainly must have been heartbreaking for you since then to now. I honestly am not sure if I could live with thinking about the "what ifs" of a scenario like that.

I'm curious as to from what I understand Leo completely ignored your side of the argument? Presumably this is due to him and Toby being life long friends? Do you have any idea why that happened?

[–]ChinaskiBlur 3ポイント4ポイント  (11子コメント)

Thanks. Yeah, I know what happened. Tobey is an intense human and once he decided that Don's Plum was better off dead he made it happen. Tobey get what he wants...it's a talent of his. Yeah-I lost millions and the career so the "what ifs" can plague my thinking when times get tough. But you know - bad shit happens. At least I can try and dispel the untruths and who knows maybe one day you'll be able to watch it on Netflix! Ah, the dreaming never ends!

[–]Ascott1989 7ポイント8ポイント  (0子コメント)

Well, that's certainly more interesting. I'm going to go and read the whole thing now and maybe having something more insightful to say and less "mean".

Remember though, that this is Reddit and I know this topic is very close to your heart but my comment was more in jest as are 90% of the comments on here.

[–]emmi_lulu 3ポイント4ポイント  (7子コメント)

I bought it legally through Amazon in the netherlands some years ago. What's the reason that it was actually sold on DVD for a while, and then disapeared? It seems strange that it was made illegal after it was released....

[–]brianhj 10ポイント11ポイント  (1子コメント)

I don't understand why you feel the need to appear so degrading toward me when you have no reason for it

Dude you're on the internet

[–]kiiraklis94 3ポイント4ポイント  (10子コメント)

So what's the story here? I have no idea what you guys are talking about and the open letter didn't shed much light.

[–]worldDev 7ポイント8ポイント  (4子コメント)

The movie was shot at the cusp of Leo's career as a teenage heart throb and Toby's career as a character nice guy. The movie is on the edgy side and shows them being overall shitty teenagers which was probably viewed by their agents as a risk, so they got him blacklisted and sued for a bunch of stuff related to that as somehow being defamation and interference of prospective economic advantage.

[–]kiiraklis94 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

So was the movie not released? Was it banned or something?

[–]ChinaskiBlur 2ポイント3ポイント  (2子コメント)

Hi, I was a writer/Producer/Actor in the film. Leo's agents were behind the film until Tobey interfered. They even signed the director RD Robb after viewing it and then quickly dropped him once the shit hit the fan. I dealt with them directly. Either way - it's all shitty.

[–]ChinaskiBlur 3ポイント4ポイント  (4子コメント)

Leo and Tobey stopped a film and someone brought it up in this post...I'm one of the filmmakers of that film and I showed up to defend the movie and those of us who made it--it's sort of a hobby of mine. Ha!

[–]menotyou16 4ポイント5ポイント  (0子コメント)

Glad you're here. I need to hear different sides of this.

[–]kiiraklis94 3ポイント4ポイント  (0子コメント)

I meant why was the movie stopped but another redditor explained it to me.

[–]isildursbane 3ポイント4ポイント  (1子コメント)

So you're Dale Wheatley?

Idk man I just read through all of that and now I have a bit of a different view of TM and Leo. What ever happened with Connolly? Was he pissed off about it or what?

[–]ChinaskiBlur 6ポイント7ポイント  (0子コメント)

Yes, I'm Dale. Connelly is very close with both of them. Both RD and I were also very close with Connelly and he was pretty sad that it soured. But he sided with Leo. If it all sounds juvenile, it was. When Leo drew the line in the sand everyone and their dead relatives jumped to Leo's side. I don't blame them. He's very powerful. Tobey offered me to bail, all I had to do was admit to something that wasn't true. I didn't. The film was killed. You should watch it if you haven't seen it yet, both Leo and Connelly are great and Jenny Lewis gives a crazy good performance as well. Cheers.

[–]Brokentoothproductio 4ポイント5ポイント  (0子コメント)

Artists are entitled to like the art they create. And 60% is much better than many first time filmmakers get.

[–]Archetyp33 12ポイント13ポイント  (9子コメント)

sorry to ask but can i get a tldr for this please?

[–]RedStag86 7ポイント8ポイント  (0子コメント)

Yeah that article looks more like a novel.

[–]Brokentoothproductio 4ポイント5ポイント  (5子コメント)

TL;DR: Tobey Maguire is an evil genius who, when he decided to kill his friends career and film for selfish reasons, gained the support of his pal Leo by alleging that the filmmakers were trying to "pit the press against him." Tobey then testified to having badmouthed the filmmakers everywhere and threatening every connection in Hollywood in order to block the film (even threatening to order a hitman to kill the director), resulting in a lawsuit against him and Leo, resulting in a counter-suit on the filmmakers. After the settlement, the bank account that was supposed to supply the filmmakers with profits from foreign sales was mysteriously closed and, since they had no money left to fight, the film rights and profits remains stolen to this day. Since then, Tobey's name has publicized next to Leo's everywhere for always, which was certainly his intention to begin with.

TL;DR, TL;DR: Indie filmmakers got fucked by more powerful famous people for no reason other than Tobey Maguire's ego.

[–]Jibsetter 16ポイント17ポイント  (1子コメント)

You mean in the 90s two actors made a decision and said some stuff based on information they had at hand depicted to them specifically in one way and the backlash of their actions had an effect on someone else.

I read the article and it's absolute whine. If it was that big a deal and that fantastic then DiCaprio and Maguire couldn't have quashed it on their own, the people involved if they were that good would have gone on to other things, and by the way people have the right to not be happy with something they're involved in and change their minds.

It stinks of someone who blames all their lack of success in life on someone else's one action. They completely base everything they're annoyed about and don't like on a single pivot point in their life they can't move past. Get over it and move on.

[–]Silentwes 5ポイント6ポイント  (0子コメント)

This is what I got from reading that whole thing: Here are some quotes from Tobey Maguire on how he remembered it, here's how I remembered it. Tobey thinks I misinterpreted him, when it is he who misinterpreted me.

If you're into he said/she said this is the letter for you.

[–]Saiing 2ポイント3ポイント  (1子コメント)

Because a singular view of events from some guy with an axe to grind, who just happens to have posted his "open letter" nearly 20 years after the fact at the exact time he is trying to get his movie crowdfunded... that is the epitome of credible evidence.

[–]Brokentoothproductio 3ポイント4ポイント  (0子コメント)

The deposition testimony within the letter, where Tobey is caught in one lie after another, is pretty credible evidence. When you read the transcripts, there is so much more on him that paints a pretty clear picture of Tobey's personality and his motives, and that he lied to Leo too (Leo's testimony doesn't match).

And none of what these guys say in their court documents matches the lies their publicists disbursed on their behalf.

Everything EXCEPT this letter and this filmmaker's story seems to be entirely fabricated - and here you are believing it, proving that money CAN buy influence. If you want to learn how to fuck people over and have the public on your side, take a page from Tobey and Leo's handbook.

[–]SafariJeep 4ポイント5ポイント  (2子コメント)

Can you imagine the game of 1-upping two successful celebrities play?

[–]alphabetsoupsucks 133ポイント134ポイント  (3子コメント)

Leo has actually looked out for him throughout his career.

[–]YoureASoldierBodie 42ポイント43ポイント  (2子コメント)

Did Toby meet Sam Raimi through Leo? I think I remember him saying that on the Nerdist podcast he was on. Anybody know of any interviews/podcasts where either of these guys talk about their friendship?

[–]ticktockligament 734ポイント735ポイント  (57子コメント)

Getting high together since early teens equals lifelong bond.

[–]zablyzibly 126ポイント127ポイント  (52子コメント)

I was just gonna comment on how lit they look in the first photo. Crazy youngins!

[–]clayism 191ポイント192ポイント  (48子コメント)

I think that's just Tobey Maguire's face. I read somewhere on here that DiCaprio has never done drugs.

edit: I don't actually care about DiCaprio's sobriety or lack there of. Just fyi. Feel free to continue to correct me if you feel compelled to do so.

[–]brute_force 165ポイント166ポイント  (27子コメント)

Yeah they hired someone for wolf of wall street movie for acting coach for being coked out

[–]Reddy_McRedcap 224ポイント225ポイント  (12子コメント)

snorts rail

So, Leo! Is it cool if I call you Leo? So, yea, Leo! Huge fan, man. Huge fan! They told me I needed to coach you up on a few things here, so that's what I'm here to do! The first thing you need to know, hold on just a sec.

snorts rail

WHOOO!! Yea! Damn, that's good! You sure you don't want any? Oh yea! That's what I'm here for! Haha I always forget stuff like that. I've had a shitty memory since I was a kid. My mom would always have to remind me about shit like 3, 4, 5 times! She's a nice lady though. Damn, it's hot in here! You wanna go outside for a smoke? Do you smoke? I can bum you one if you want. Yea, let's go outside and I can fill you in on what it's like to be high on coke. Let me just finish the rest of this off!

snorts rail

Holy fuck! Leo, man, you gotta try this! I know, I know, you don't do coke, and that's why I'm here, but this shit is amazing! Damn! Ok, let's go have a smoke! Kind of off topic, but after I fill you in on what it's like, do you think you could spot me $100? I'm good for it, man! You can trust me, Leo.

[–]DenverStud 29ポイント30ポイント  (1子コメント)

I appreciate how careful and precise you were with your spacing and punctuation. It was a real treat to read your message!

[–]Reddy_McRedcap 23ポイント24ポイント  (0子コメント)

My 8th grade grammar teacher would be proud.

snorts rail

[–]GreenShenna 4ポイント5ポイント  (0子コメント)

Why do I see Nicolas Cage's face when I read this?

[–]BonkeyKongCountry 38ポイント39ポイント  (4子コメント)

That's got to be a fun job.

[–]TomServoHere 21ポイント22ポイント  (3子コメント)

Can someone point me to the Monster.com job ID category that this would fall under? Just curious of course.

[–]flyingboarofbeifong 11ポイント12ポイント  (2子コメント)

Professional Blow Consultant. The entry barrier on that job market is absurd, though, good luck to you.

[–]RedlineChaser 3ポイント4ポイント  (1子コメント)

You might want to be more specific.

[–]Dirk-Winchester 20ポイント21ポイント  (2子コメント)

Have you ever seen basketball diaries? Damn that movie is disturbing.

[–]blueyesoul 2ポイント3ポイント  (1子コメント)

Not to sound cliche but the book is way more disturbing.

[–]Norse_of_60 6ポイント7ポイント  (0子コメント)

The stone tablet version is off the hook though.

[–]bmidge 7ポイント8ポイント  (0子コメント)

I wonder what they'll do with the money..

[–]Tumbleweed420 8ポイント9ポイント  (0子コメント)

Really? Leonardo played a fantastic addict in basketball diaries. That movie is 20 years old.

[–]themindlessone 5ポイント6ポイント  (1子コメント)

I don't believe that for one second.

[–]brute_force 7ポイント8ポイント  (0子コメント)

They hired the guy the movie is BASED on for how he acted

[–]Magnuts 0ポイント1ポイント  (1子コメント)

Who did they hire for basketball diaries?

[–]temtam 16ポイント17ポイント  (0子コメント)

Looking at this photo from the Vice documentary on Dana Giacchetto (pretty much Jordan Belfort but he was friends with Leo and Tobey), considering that Leo sometimes spent months at a time in Dana's penthouse living and partying there in the 90's, I am going to say with 100% certainty that Leonardo DiCaprio has used drugs before.

[–]Meat-Tube 8ポイント9ポイント  (0子コメント)

Right...He hung around people like River Phoenix and Johnny Depp back in the day.

I don't believe that for a second.

[–]themindlessone 17ポイント18ポイント  (4子コメント)

Yes, and then there are the tons of pictures with him with drinks at parties fueled by coke and mdma....but he's never done anything.

[–]clayism 27ポイント28ポイント  (1子コメント)

You thought he was drinking and doing coke?... Nah. Acting.

[–]PingPing88 11ポイント12ポイント  (0子コメント)

He was drinking Coke in Maryland and Massachusetts.

[–]FallenAngelII[🍰] 4ポイント5ポイント  (0子コメント)

You can tell whether or not a drink contains cocaine or ecstasy on sight?

[–]ubersaurus 4ポイント5ポイント  (0子コメント)

Shit I could have sworn I read in the RZA's Wu-Tang Manual or whatever its called that DiCaprio was getting lit with him and spitting lines from 36 Chambers.

[–]THEMrBurke 8ポイント9ポイント  (2子コメント)

I'd bet DiCaprio has hit the joint a few times. It would be a small bet as I am just as easily wrong, but usually nowadays when people say they haven't done drugs doesn't automatically exclude weed.

[–]BamaFlava 19ポイント20ポイント  (4子コメント)

What a load of shit. I should become a publicist with how much people believe just because someone says it. "James Franco has never smoked weed". Sure. Sure.

[–]kitano_ken 24ポイント25ポイント  (2子コメント)

Every actor and actress does drugs, drinks alcohol, and smokes cigarettes. Got it.

[–]clayism 3ポイント4ポイント  (0子コメント)

Yeah, you should. Ton of people out there really aren't interested in taking things beyond face value.

[–]kway00 3ポイント4ポイント  (0子コメント)

I've heard this before, but I don't really believe it.

A few years ago Leo went to a small UFC event. I believe it was held in the Hard Rock hotel in Vegas. Anyways during the event they cut over to Leo to show their celebrity attendance. He's sitting with a group of friends around a circular table, which I'm guessing was the VIP area. When the camera pans over to them it looks like Leo is snorting a line. What makes it really seem like he got caught is his friends kinda freak out cause Leo gets put up on the big screen at the worst possible time.

I guess the director kinda figures out what's happening and soon cuts away.

I tired looking it up on YouTube but couldn't find it.

[–]I_Burned_The_Lasagna 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

I have no doubt in my mind they bonded over Eiffeling a few girls during those days too.

[–]PoorCollegeKid420 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

Friends that blaze together stays together.

[–]clivehuxley 107ポイント108ポイント  (6子コメント)

Please excuse the Buzzfeed article, but I was surprised to learn that Maguire and DiCaprio were both members in a Pussy Posse along with David Blaine and Kevin Connolly in the 90s.

[–]odusanyaka 58ポイント59ポイント  (4子コメント)

Wow from all the news about DiCaprio I feel like he has been friends with everyone in hollywood since childhood.

Maybe thats why they wont give him an oscar, just a giant inside joke.

[–]beaglemaster 55ポイント56ポイント  (3子コメント)

[–]AerThreepwood 10ポイント11ポイント  (2子コメント)

I'm rewatching Veronica Mars and she's extra adorable.

[–]Fermorian 1ポイント2ポイント  (1子コメント)

If you haven't already, watch all 20-something times she was on Craig Ferguson's show too! :P

[–]AerThreepwood 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

Yeah, I've had a major crush on her since Spartan and she was barely in that. Val Kilmer was solid, though.

[–]i_dont_give_adam 16ポイント17ポイント  (0子コメント)

it appears the pussy posse didn't break up, they just went legit.

[–]The__Korean 80ポイント81ポイント  (26子コメント)

Never noticed Leo was wearing a Georgia hat in that pic.

[–]zmpq 72ポイント73ポイント  (0子コメント)

I think he wears the hat of the recent college co-ed he bangs because he has a lot of different college hats.

[–]FrickleFart90 32ポイント33ポイント  (17子コメント)

Go Dawgs!

[–]themadnooch 15ポイント16ポイント  (5子コメント)

except he wears this too: http://i.imgur.com/QpnKO9E.jpg

[–]joelupi 13ポイント14ポイント  (3子コメント)

What the hell is wrong with him?

[–]themadnooch 16ポイント17ポイント  (1子コメント)

Who knows, he is either a huge fan of random college football teams, or just likes their logos and figures it is a good way to disguise as a regular dude-bro, here is a bunch more: http://cdn-jpg.si.com/sites/default/files/images/leo_hats.jpg

[–]Hiphoppington 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

It's probably just part of the disguise. Or maybe dude just fucking loves hats.

It's whatever.

[–]GoldandBlue 24ポイント25ポイント  (7子コメント)

Except against Bama

[–]allbirdsgotohell 33ポイント34ポイント  (4子コメント)

Too soon :(

[–]nik-nak333 4ポイント5ポイント  (0子コメント)

Bama disrespected the shit out of Georgia. And it was magnificent.

[–]jklharris 10ポイント11ポイント  (1子コメント)

WHY YOU FEED THE H8

[–]joelupi 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

Because feeding the ball to Chubb didn't work that well.

[–]Jux_ 23ポイント24ポイント  (3子コメント)

Well it's probably hard to make friends when you're famous

[–]derpeddit 17ポイント18ポイント  (1子コメント)

Real friends anyway. Got plenty of leeches though.

[–]PlNKERTON 5ポイント6ポイント  (0子コメント)

Hey Leo, I'll be your friend.

[–]Dangerously8 80ポイント81ポイント  (8子コメント)

Lol of course Leo is wearing a UGA hat...UGA football is like Leo at the Oscars... :-(

[–]Red23UK 20ポイント21ポイント  (1子コメント)

[–]SheerApple 4ポイント5ポイント  (0子コメント)

Red, you're doing the Lord's work.

[–]TheManofVirginia 17ポイント18ポイント  (0子コメント)

Holy Shit he knows Jay Gatsby!!!!!!

[–]axeriel 240ポイント241ポイント  (9子コメント)

9GAG watermark I see you...

[–]FU-allthetime 15ポイント16ポイント  (0子コメント)

Together, these two have accounted for four best actor academy award nominations!!

[–]Sabre2230 12ポイント13ポイント  (0子コメント)

Sassy Spiderman and Best Kiss winner Tobey Maguire

[–]phikeia4lyfe 31ポイント32ポイント  (1子コメント)

It bothers me that they switched sides

[–]PlNKERTON 4ポイント5ポイント  (0子コメント)

Time machine! Go back and do it again.

[–]Gazalar85 7ポイント8ポイント  (0子コメント)

Seeing a young Leo makes me want to watch "The Basketball Diaries" again

[–]electroplankton 6ポイント7ポイント  (1子コメント)

Bape flex

[–]resay5 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

Hah.. was wondering if that was a Bape tee, had to search the comments to be sure.

[–]schizzipoo 4ポイント5ポイント  (0子コメント)

The Pussy Posse lives on!

[–]dtsyk 19ポイント20ポイント  (4子コメント)

Who would have thought that Toby McGuire would be the better looking one.

[–]Jackbacket 48ポイント49ポイント  (3子コメント)

Leo could look a lot better if he gave a damn.

[–]SoMuchMoreEagle 46ポイント47ポイント  (1子コメント)

Instead, he just slips closer and closer toward Jack Nicholson.

[–]KMFDM781 16ポイント17ポイント  (0子コメント)

Something happened on the set of The Departed...we will never know what.

[–]kekepania 4ポイント5ポイント  (0子コメント)

sigh he used to be so beautiful..

[–]cummilk 3ポイント4ポイント  (0子コメント)

Tobey Maguire would have made a pretty girl.

[–]rudieboy 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

I'm waiting for the day when my browser just has a 9gag watermark built into it.

[–]fatmaple 6ポイント7ポイント  (5子コメント)

Tobie's date at the basketball game is hotter than Leo's

[–]yourmomspubichair 3ポイント4ポイント  (0子コメント)

I'm bothered their positions don't match in the photos.

[–]carlosantonio85 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

I'm pretty sure that's Drew Barrymore

[–]CndConnection 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

Long live

TUGBOAT MAGUIRE!

[–]lazespud2 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

ah, the two core members of the infamous Pussy Posse.

http://www.buzzfeed.com/katienotopoulos/catching-up-with-leonardo-dicaprios-90s-pssy-p#.ihV8ZrkZBx

In their prime they laid waste to entire swaths of California.

[–]SolicitatingZebra 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

I've finally seen the circle, saw this first posted to reddit then I assume it made its way over to 9gag cause their tacky watermarks and now I see it here reposted with the 9gag watermark. I've reached the 4th pillar boys, I can die peacefully now.

[–]MyWifeDontKnowItsMe 2ポイント3ポイント  (4子コメント)

Found the ghost of Steve Jobs. Right side, bottom photo.

[–]dirtymuffins23 7ポイント8ポイント  (0子コメント)

Weird seeing as the pic came out before Steve Jobs was even close to dying.

[–]stevewillz 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

Ugh why did they sit on opposite sides? So annoying, they should have known better.

[–]Sorryaboutthat1time 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

I thought when you put two positive (babe) magnets together, they repel each other?

[–]Ilikebigmacs 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

Second picture: Man I hope no one smells that

[–]NinjaRun09 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

Call me a horrible person, but I thought the top picture was of the columbine shooters...

[–]MrFoxer 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

Thought kid Leo was Matt Damon

[–]_drawdown 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

Who's the other guy

[–]CJ090 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

One guy is gonna win an Oscar, the other is an incredible actor.

[–]tobsn 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

twist: its just coincidence that they booked seats next to each other.