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[–]Redomoreagain 26ポイント27ポイント  (2子コメント)

Hilarious Obama says that. Many US Presidents had no armed security whatsoever. Until they got fed up with being shot.

[–]DrFilbert 37ポイント38ポイント  (11子コメント)

I'm pretty sure secret service agents go through some serious background checks and psych tests.

[–]kriegson 21ポイント22ポイント  (6子コメント)

Which would be a point about the people holding the guns, not the guns themselves.

Ideally then, we should ensure everyone is exposed to guns at some point and receives the option to engage in some form of training not unlike Switzerland.
I do agree that existing regulation needs to be more effective and with less red tape though. Supposedly the ATF cannot obtain records of purchasers from gun stores for instance.

[–]desmando 1ポイント2ポイント  (3子コメント)

The ATF most surely can get records for an active investigation. They can't get the records just because they want them.

[–]kriegson -1ポイント0ポイント  (2子コメント)

I seem to recall there's quite a degree red tape involved. Perhaps it was that gun stores are not required to maintain records over a certain period of time? At any rate, some red tape that hinders them from performing their investigations.

[–]desmando 2ポイント3ポイント  (1子コメント)

Nope. A gun store is required to maintain those records for 20 years. When they go out of business the records go to the ATF.

[–]kriegson 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

Good to hear. Wonder what it was then...

[–]DrFilbert 4ポイント5ポイント  (1子コメント)

Yeah, Obama never said "Guns make us less safe" from what I can find. His speech after the shooting was about passing laws to keep guns away from murderers, not from everyone.

Firearm training would be great for preventing accidents, but not intentional attacks. I'm not pro-gun control, but I think we agree that gun regulations need reform.

[–]unalienable1776 -2ポイント-1ポイント  (0子コメント)

The problem is that every piece of legislation he recommends would never have prevented the crime in question.

[–]UmbrellaResearchCorpSupporter 6ポイント7ポイント  (3子コメント)

Yeah, because they are an extension of the power of govt.

Funny how all these gun grabbing idiots have absolutely no problem with govt having guns, when historically speaking, they are the ones bulldozing tens of millions of people into mass-graves. Oh no, it's "we have to disarm the people!" --- Shrieks the slave with the gilded collar.

[–]Sevoco 0ポイント1ポイント  (2子コメント)

Everyone in the government who has a gun has to pass a though background check and has to pass a range exam to qualify for the gun. You wanna hold people to that standard? We should.

[–]UmbrellaResearchCorpSupporter 3ポイント4ポイント  (1子コメント)

You wanna hold people to that standard? We should.

1 - The background check is for the job position (and the LAW ENFORCEMENT duties inherent to those positions), not the "gun".

2 - Everyone that legally buys a gun has to fill out a 4473 and background check. Which are the VAST majority of how most people obtain guns

3 - People need to wise up to this nonsensical expectation that there be some "precog" crime division in America. Bad things are going to happen because there are bad PEOPLE, not because there are bad "things".

Bottom line, if the fucking stupid government, and the moronic scared sheep that they pander to, just let people freaking protect themselves and stop prohibiting them from doing so --- these incidents would be a lot less frequent, and a lot less damaging if they did.

Anyway, it doesn't matter. It's my right to have a gun. It's the right of all the secret service members to have a freaking gun. Everyone has a damn right to have a gun. And it's not for hunting, it's not for "home defense", or any of those things.

You're not getting my gun, so get the fuck over it.

[–]4755300970158 -1ポイント0ポイント  (0子コメント)

There's a lot of apologetics for protecting a head of state in here. I understand that the POTUS needs armed guards because he's a bit of a target, but that doesn't mean he is any more deserving of a 2nd amendment than the general population. I think that's the one argument everyone missed in this thread. Yes, those security guards have training and background checks... for their job. People in the U.S. have a right to own weapons. It's the second one there, right after freedom of speech and religion. You can't infringe on that right with gun control laws, no matter how well-intentioned they are.