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[–]dmxop 62ポイント63ポイント  (28子コメント)

Dude should of ended the conversation at "im vegan". Nobody needs that kind of negativity in their life.

[–]Eunhyuk[S] -25ポイント-24ポイント  (27子コメント)

Not all vegans are negative. Honestly, I run into more non-vegans bitching about vegans than anything else. (That isn't to say there aren't vegans that go to far. Also, the people who go too far tend to be the louder ones, but that is the case with anything.)

[–]KillahHills10304 42ポイント43ポイント  (26子コメント)

Thinking catch and release fishing is cruel is a little too far

[–]Eunhyuk[S] -40ポイント-39ポイント  (25子コメント)

Thinking it isn't cruel actually blows my mind, and it is unnecessarily cruel, at that. Why even mess with the animal? For a trophy photo? That is human selfishness at its best.

Honestly, I am okay with catch and eat, as that actually does serve a purpose. Also, fishermen who catch and eat usually catch less fish. I mean, I still don't want to be a part of the practice, but at least there is reason behind it.

It has also been speculated that most catch and release fish die because of the experience. Be it the stress, the fact that, with a net, the slime* rubs off their scales making them more prone to disease, or as with deep sea fishing, the fact that the fish aren't used to the air pressure above water. Not to mention the trauma of being caught, and then being placed in an environment that makes it difficult to breath?

Anyway, people can do what they want. I am not here to police anyones behavior, but I think there is a valid reason for me not wanting any part of it, personally.

*Don't quote me. I just know something like that can happen with nets.

[–]valmontCSZ 34ポイント35ポイント  (4子コメント)

Ok im pretty sure you have very little idea what you're talking about because most of this stuff is dead wrong. The mortality rate for catch and release is around 2%, nowhere near "most of them". As for the 'trauma' of being caught, just think about it: fish get attacked by predatory fish all the time. For them, getting caught is like being chased by a predator and escaping. Its something they deal with constantly. While its true that a fish with no slime is more susceptible to disease, fish are really good at making new slime. How would a net even take the slime off anyway??? Handling the fish is what takes off the slime, but as long as your hands are wet and you keep contact to a minimum the fish will have no trouble at all replenishing that slime. Have you ever been diving? You'd notice that pretty much every animal down there, from the big ass barracudas to the little blennies has spines. Almost everything a fish eats is gonna be sharp, and a lot of those sharp things are gonna have poison/venom. Why is a hook any different from the spike covered crab that fish just ate?

To be fair, some fish species should not be targeted for catch and release, like ones that live in deep water or just aren't that hardy. The types of hooks and gear you use also make a huge difference. An environmentally conscious fisherman doing catch and release with the right gear and knowledge is not cruel.

Sources:Been freediving, spearfishing, and regular fishing for my whole life and http://www.acuteangling.com/Reference/C&RMortality.html for the statistic

[–]Blood_Vaults 42ポイント43ポイント  (0子コメント)

Hey man, let's not let facts get in the way of our emotionally charged Internet arguments about fish.

[–]tommyservo 10ポイント11ポイント  (1子コメント)

This guys knows his shit, but glossed over one point. If she doesn't want to go watch this guy stand on a pier and pull fish out of the water, then that's fine. I probably wouldn't want to watch that either.

I think OP would just rather do other things, but she is either trying to hide or disguise this with misinformation. It's ok to just say you'd rather not go. But don't try to make it an ethical issue because then your making it about who's right and who's wrong. And this seems pretty early in this relationship (or lack thereof) to be judging one another.

[–]apierson2011 [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

Well, I think for OP she has been misinformed and it really is an ethical issue for her, based on her false beliefs. I really doubt that she is consciously trying to cover up the fact that that's just not an activity she's interested in.

[–]petit_cochon 9ポイント10ポイント  (2子コメント)

I understand why someone wouldn't want to fish, but I, personally, enjoy it. But I also eat what I catch, generally. It's nice to be outside, enjoying the weather and observing nature. Occasionally you get to eat nature.

But that guy sounded psycho. Why would you want to take someone fishing if they would hate it? That's so inconsiderate and creepy.

[–]bklove1 7ポイント8ポイント  (1子コメント)

Saying he would slit a throat in front of her is just fucking nuts. I've been vegan my whole life and I've casually dated nonvegans. They go fishing without me. They don't threaten to slit any throats in front of me. I don't drag him to factory farms or make him watch Earthlings on repeat. We just coexist.

[–]petit_cochon [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

Yeah, that part was really weird. Then he wants another chance. OH OF COURSE! Here's my house key, too; I want to make it easier for you to murder me in my sleep.

[–]DogPoop_Longitude 1ポイント2ポイント  (10子コメント)

If you start a paragraph using the word speculation, you may want to refrain from using "the fact that" further along in the same statement.

That's all I wanted to point out, being an angler who felt offended by my perception of your ignorance here. But my life doesn't effect yours, nor does yours mine.

Fun fact: Last weekend I caught the same Walleye twice with about a 2 hour gap in between, on a river. Little bugger had some specific damage on his dorsal fins and spit out an extra chunk of worm after the 2nd time, when my hook and worm came out fully intact.
Now while that is circumstantial evidence at best, it certainly tells me that catch and release doesn't kill/traumatize/imperil every type of fish.

Some further information, walleye are a protected species where I live and while they are found fucking everywhere, living amid numerous other species of game fish, it's simply against the law to keep them.

Now with that information taken as truth, and without taking the easy out and answering the way an ignorant non-fan would, tell me: what's the best option here for this situation?

[–]doberEars 2ポイント3ポイント  (3子コメント)

It was still caught, pulled out of the water, and stressed for that period during and after. If you consider that pointless and cruel, yes, catch and release is pointless and cruel. I frequently fish and acknowledge that. It's not as of catching an animal has no effect on it. The vegan here simply doesn't want to participate in something pointless and cruel, and considers that if you're going to catch something, at least do the courtesy of killing and eating it, because than that stress would have been for something.

[–]DogPoop_Longitude 2ポイント3ポイント  (2子コメント)

What's with this new trend of Mega-Empathy? Projecting your own beliefs and feelings onto everything possible.
Why does the fish have to be 'stressed'? Only because the human thinks maybe it should be. "Well I certainly would be, in that situation" That's the problem. That's the sticking point that prevents any logical debate.
All you mega-empaths want to believe that a fish gets hooked and thinks "Oh my god no!! I'm being accosted. This hurts SO much!! Ow ow ow waahhhh!" without even considering that it might instead be thinking the equivalent of "Ah fuck. Welp..." or, more importantly, that it even has the capacity to think anything beyond primal and basic drives.

[–]Fubzy 2ポイント3ポイント  (1子コメント)

The idea that a fish's brain is complex enough to understand what is happening when it's fished out of the water is laughable. As if it has any semblance of self-awareness.

[–]bklove1 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

Nobody thinks that animals are as self aware as humans. They have a nervous system, they can suffer and hurt.

[–]you-chose-this -5ポイント-4ポイント  (5子コメント)

You take pleasure in ripping an animal out of its environment and suffocating it for sport. Not everyone is into that. It's fine if it seems normal to you, but why would you be offended that other people think it's barbaric? Like you said, other people's opinions don't AFFECT your life. Everyone gets to have their own opinion about things, no need to get nasty over it.

[–]DogPoop_Longitude 1ポイント2ポイント  (4子コメント)

Lol nice catch, Mosby. I'll leave it, for effect.

The fact that you describe "fishing" in the most vehemently descriptive way possible says a lot in reference to my comment to the other MegaEmpath, and I find that absolutely wonderful.

How did I get nasty? I got as nasty as you did right here correcting my diction. In my case I simply reminded OP to watch her fact/opinion distinctions. I followed up with a personal anecdote that countered the supposition, and then asked how best a situation can be handled given the circumstances of law and sport.

By your logic, I just got nasty here with you too haven't I?

[–]you-chose-this -5ポイント-4ポイント  (3子コメント)

How is it "vehemently" descriptive? Is it not accurate?

[–]DogPoop_Longitude 1ポイント2ポイント  (2子コメント)

It can be twisted into fitting, sure. I'd also call it Nasty, especially the way you'd used it.

[–]you-chose-this -3ポイント-2ポイント  (1子コメント)

It is a perfectly accurate description of the practice. Nothing I wrote in any way needs to be "twisted" into fitting. It is in no way my fault that the "sport", when described accurately, sounds nasty - because it is.