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TIL Hermann Goering banned vivisection and announced an end to the "unbearable torture and suffering in animal experiments" and said that those who "still think they can continue to treat animals as inanimate property" will be sent to concentration camps. (en.wikipedia.org)

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[–]panzerkampfwagen14 92ポイント93ポイント  (15子コメント)

Must have forgotten to have banned it for use on Jews and Gypsies.

[–]RizzMustbolt 71ポイント72ポイント  (6子コメント)

Goering: "Did you know I'm a vegan?" shoots Romani child in the head "You wouldn't believe what they do to the animals that you eat as food." kicks Jewish grandmother in the face "It's absolutely inhumane."

[–]red_sutter [スコア非表示]  (4子コメント)

Executive Producer: Seth MacFarlane

[–]serialthrwaway [スコア非表示]  (3子コメント)

Nah, too subtle for Seth MacFarlane. Add an arrow labelled "bad guy" pointing at the Nazi and you're almost there.

[–]2Weird2Live2Rare2Die [スコア非表示]  (1子コメント)

Goering: "You think that's bad..."

[–]serialthrwaway [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

"Remember the time I got into a dance-off with that half-breed Michael Jackson? Shamone!"

[–]SelectaRx [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

Needs more pop culture references and jump cuts. Goering should be dressed as Cap'n Crunch, and there should be a cut-away to a Silver Spoons gag prefaced by the line "Remember that time Ricky found out his grandfather was in charge of Dachau!?" with John Houseman dressed as a Nazi pressing a giant button labeled "DER GAS CHAMBER".

[–]wellaintthatnice 14ポイント15ポイント  (5子コメント)

Maybe I'm rembering the wrong person but I think he tried to ignore the concentration camps, once when visiting he ended up puking from what he saw. Cognitive dissonance of the first order.

[–]panzerkampfwagen14 17ポイント18ポイント  (3子コメント)

Himmler was the puker.

[–]_l_l_l_l_l_l_l_l_ [スコア非表示]  (2子コメント)

Specifically, Himmler puked after witnessing SS men execute ~100 Jews with firearms in Soviet territory. This event is what convinced him that gas vans would be more humane method of execution (more humane for the SS).

If I remember correctly, Himmler is the only Nazi leader who actually inspected and observed the Einsatzgruppen and concentration camps.

[–]Aqquila89 [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

He mentioned it in the Posen speeches.

Most of you here know what it means when 100 corpses lie next to each other, when there are 500 or when there are 1,000. To have endured this and at the same time to have remained a decent person — with exceptions due to human weaknesses — has made us tough, and is a glorious chapter that has not and will not be spoken of.

[–]luckinator [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

Except, there is no explicit mention in ALL of the surviving Nazi documents of homocidal gas chambers being used to execute Jews or other concentration camp prisoners. None. Nothing. And we all know what sticklers the Germans are for paperwork and record keeping.

[–]Neo_Techni 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

*of the third reich

[–]Cmyers1980[S] -1ポイント0ポイント  (1子コメント)

They weren't thought of as human.

[–]spartacus311 8ポイント9ポイント  (0子コメント)

So treat them like the animals in the title.

[–]umm_umm_ 36ポイント37ポイント  (17子コメント)

Oh the irony...

But I guess this shows the Nazi thinking.. They didn't even consider Jews as animals..

[–]Leecannon_ -1ポイント0ポイント  (1子コメント)

They were demons and Devils

[–]luckinator [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

No, bubba, that's your mind-conditioning talking. They were human beings, just like you and me. They have been sorely maligned and vilified by anti-German propaganda over the past seven decades.

[–]egrofnori 4ポイント5ポイント  (1子コメント)

He used this fact as part of his defense at Nuremberg:

I am a man who is basically opposed to atrocities or ungentlemanly actions. In 1934, I promulgated a law against vivisection. You can see, therefore, that if I disapprove of the experimentation on animals, how could I possibly be in favor of torturing humans? The prosecution says that I had something to do with the freezing experiments which were performed in the concentration camps under the auspices of the air force. That is pure Quatsch! I was much too busy to know about these medical experiments, and if anybody had asked me, I would have disapproved violently. It must have been Himmler who thought up these stupid experiments, although I think he shirked his responsibility by committing suicide.

[–]Motokip [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

And once convicted he committed suicide. The irony just keeps on piling up.

[–]idreamofpikas 7ポイント8ポイント  (3子コメント)

He was either a dupe or a coward as he denies ordering the mass murders when he was on trial

"I especially denounce the terrible mass murders, which I cannot understand … I never ordered any killing or tortures where I had the power to prevent such actions!"

[–]popesnutsack 12ポイント13ポイント  (1子コメント)

He did know of the concentration camps and the killings, but he was in charge of the luftwaffe, and had many allied flyers who were shot down moved to much better camps. I don't believe that he condoned the killings, but was in no position to stop it. The gestapo was pretty liberal in shooting anyone who disagreed. Just ask Rommel.

[–]JediMasterBroda [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

Goering was the guy who oversaw the Gestapo, for a while.

[–]The_Withheld_Name 14ポイント15ポイント  (14子コメント)

-Right about one thing, wrong about another...

[–]eyelikethings 13ポイント14ポイント  (4子コメント)

I agree. Vivisection has its uses in science.

[–]The_Withheld_Name 0ポイント1ポイント  (3子コメント)

No no no, I was saying vivisection is wrong & he was right about that, & that that sending people to concentration camps is wrong, & he was wrong about that.

[–]LaLongueCarabine 4ポイント5ポイント  (6子コメント)

Animals > Jews. Sounds like nazi logic

[–]TheCannon33 5ポイント6ポイント  (1子コメント)

I, on the other hand, am not prejudice.

I think that most animals are better than most people, regardless of race, creed, or socio-economic standing.

[–]Cheeseblanket [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

But most animals are bugs, and bugs suck. Checkmate!

[–]MrJellybean_ -4ポイント-3ポイント  (3子コメント)

...and Palestinian logic.

[–]VladToTheFuture [スコア非表示]  (2子コメント)

Jewish logic: Animals>Palestinian
We could do this all day.

[–]MrJellybean_ [スコア非表示]  (1子コメント)

Animal Logic: Jewish = Palestinian

[–]_l_l_l_l_l_l_l_l_ [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

AI Logic: We impose order on the chaos of organic evolution. You exist because we allow it, and you will end because we demand it.

[–]CreatetheControversy 4ポイント5ポイント  (8子コメント)

It's like the Nazis are were crazy people who thought they were the good guys.

Hitler liked animals and children

Goering liked animals

Next they'll say Himmler hosted tea parties and Mengele was a shocker among the ladies

Funny how they didn't think too badly of roasting minorities.

[–]Leecannon_ 0ポイント1ポイント  (7子コメント)

Of course they thought they were doing good, why else would they have done it, and to be fair Hitler did do lots of good. He turned Germany from one of the worst depression states in history to a world super power.

[–]Aqquila89 5ポイント6ポイント  (5子コメント)

Then he turned that superpower into a bombed-out wreck, occupied by and divided between enemy states.

[–]Leecannon_ -3ポイント-2ポイント  (4子コメント)

Yeah, but to everything there is a good and bad, but they are not equal. Hitler was also a great writer and painter. I would dare to say he was one of the greatest orators of the 20th century. Does this make up for the holocaust? No.

[–]Aqquila89 1ポイント2ポイント  (1子コメント)

Great writer? Mein Kampf is infamous (among other things) for being incoherent and nearly unreadable. Great painter? He was mediocre at best, that's why he failed the entrance exam of the Academy of Fine Arts Vienna. He could only paint still lifes, he was terrible with figures. In one of his most well-known work, he messed up the stairs. It's much better than anything I could do, but not a great work.

He was a great orator, that I won't argue with that.

[–]Cormophyte [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

You know, I've never really looked at that painting before.

Trying to make that scene's perspective work in my head made me dizzy. Everything's just sorta doing what it feels like doing at the moment.

[–]Indiggy57 0ポイント1ポイント  (1子コメント)

He was a shitty painter.

[–]Pylons 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

Hitler deserves very little credit. He basically just handed off control of the economy to Hjalmar Schacht.

[–]Aqquila89 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

Well, except the same source goes on to say:

Although various laws were enacted for animal protection, there was a lack of enforcement. Also, some key Nazis thought that vivisection was important for research, including research necessary for rearmament. As a consequence, the original regulations started to become weaker. The law enacted by Hermann Göring on August 16, 1933 banning vivisection survived only three weeks and it was revised by a decree of September 5, with more lax provisions, then allowing the Reich Interior Ministry to distribute permits to some universities and research institutes to conduct animal experiments. According to Pfugers Archiv für die Gesamte Physiologie (Pfugers Archive for the Total Physiology), a science journal at that time, there were many animal experiments during the Nazi regime.

[–]MrJellybean_ 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

iirc, some of their laws regarding animal welfare are still in effect in Germany.

[–]Rleis 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

Pretty ironic, but for me it's fine. Concentration camps aren't fine, though.

[–]piratetest 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

Fine for Jews though.

[–]cadentcunt 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

Apparently Japan wasn't so humanitarian.

[–]msuozzo [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

Boy, what a mensch.... /s

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[–]Self_Destruct_Button [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

Huh, so he was obsessed with animal welfare while being remarkably uninterested in human welfare. Sounds like a redditor.

[–]VoiceOfRealson 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

Interesting.

Today in Denmark, the main anti-foreigner (the self styled Dansk Folkeparti (Danish peoples party)) party is also focusing on animal welfare (or rather - pet welfare).

[–]table_fireplace 0ポイント1ポイント  (1子コメント)

At the end of the nineteenth century, kosher butchering and vivisection were the main concerns regarding animal protection in Germany. These concerns continued among the Nazis.[7] According to Boria Sax, the Nazis rejected anthropocentric reasons for animal protection—animals were not to be protected for human interests—but for themselves.[8] In 1927, a Nazi representative to the Reichstag called for actions against cruelty to animals and kosher butchering.[7]

In 1931, the Nazi party proposed a ban on vivisection. In early 1933, representatives of the Nazi Party to the Prussian parliament held a meeting to enact this ban. On April 21, 1933, almost immediately after the Nazis came to power, the parliament began to pass laws for the regulation of animal slaughter.[7] On April 21, a law was passed concerning the slaughter of animals. On April 24, Order of the Prussian Ministry of the Interior was enacted regarding the slaughter of poikilotherms.[9] Germany was the first nation to ban vivisection.[10] A law imposing total ban on vivisection was enacted on August 16, 1933, by Hermann Göring as the prime minister of Prussia.[11] He announced an end to the "unbearable torture and suffering in animal experiments" and said that those who "still think they can continue to treat animals as inanimate property" will be sent to concentration camps.[7]

I can't help but think there was some anti-Jewish agenda here. They also lumped in bans on kosher butchering, which would have made it harder for Jews to find food. And Germans supported it because it meant an end to vivisection. After reading this, I don't think the Nazis were being animal lovers so much as they were sneaking in ways to attack Jews, even just after being elected.

[–]Aqquila89 [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

The article also says that "there was a lack of enforcement" for the laws. And the Nazis were in a position to enforce anything they really wanted. Göring - like many other politicians - talked the talk but didn't walk the walk.

[–]jnb64 -3ポイント-2ポイント  (3子コメント)

I did Nazi that coming.

[–]MattyMattOc 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

That pun is Goering to get a lot of love!

[–]panzerkampfwagen14 -3ポイント-2ポイント  (1子コメント)

Anne Frankly that's just inführerating.

[–]i_can_menage -2ポイント-1ポイント  (0子コメント)

I'll just make mi Goering and see how things develop...

[–]deliberatesabotage -1ポイント0ポイント  (0子コメント)

Did Goering also found PETA?

[–]yes_its_him -3ポイント-2ポイント  (0子コメント)

PETA would be thrilled.

[–]Leecannon_ -1ポイント0ポイント  (0子コメント)

Instead will use the Jews!

[–]TheDudeManBraj [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

1488

[–]John_Fx [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

Did he found PETA?

[–]LaoQiXian -2ポイント-1ポイント  (0子コメント)

And then they ruined this cool forward thinking by being complete assholes in other areas.

[–]luckinator [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

People talk about these funny anomalies among the top Nazi leaders. Hitler loved dogs and little children. Goering couldn't bear to see animals suffer. What they don't realize is that these are not anomalies, these are the norm for the German people, who were in the late 1930s a highly educated and moral Christian people. Even Hitler was a declared Christian. Wake up, zombie hoards. The Germans are not evil. They aren't now, and they never were. The Nazis were not evil, either. That is propaganda, written by Jews and pumped into your little noggins every day of your lives over the mass media.