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[–]the_scientist5 23ポイント24ポイント  (5子コメント)

I think that instead of pushing to raise the minimum wage liberals should try to set a maximum profit per employee ration. That way, no one can say "You're causing inflation." I mean, if you do raise the minimum wage, someone like McDonalds will probably raise their cost.

[–]kraytex 13ポイント14ポイント  (3子コメント)

Correct, but a McDonald's burger isn't made up of 100% pure labor. So minimum wage being doubled from $7.25 to $15 isn't going to double the price of a McDonald's burger.

[–]SciPup3000 5ポイント6ポイント  (1子コメント)

I was working at a Pizza place about a decade ago and had access to all the numbers. The employees only cost 10% of our total costs at our SLOWEST location. To double their wages would have been 50 cents extra. At the slowest location. At the others, they had the same number of employees but twice the business. So we are talking about 25-30 centers per pizza to double wages.

[–]confluencer 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

That's literally nothing. I can't believe there is even a controversy around this.

[–]CinnamonJ 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

Correct, but a McDonald's burger isn't made up of 100% pure labor.

At least not until the employee acquires 3 violations of the McDisciplinary Policy, then it's into the grinder with them.

[–]dannyiscool4SAlt 9ポイント10ポイント  (0子コメント)

But muh free markets

[–]TheRajMahal 15ポイント16ポイント  (4子コメント)

I think a lot of people fail to understand just how much the super rich have. It's sickening. They will never spend it all either, it's just invested in stocks or sitting in an offshore account. It is truly an act of violence. Imagine being in a desert and having 100 trucks full of water and not giving any to people who are dying of dehydration. Your reason - "they didn't earn it"

[–]thereds2015 3ポイント4ポイント  (0子コメント)

Violence begets violence. The only way to overturn the system is through revolution.

[–]nidrach -3ポイント-2ポイント  (2子コメント)

But water is real and money is virtual. If you raise minimum wage throughout the board then whats' going to happen? Is everyone going to be able to afford more stuff? Or are the prices just going to rise? More stuff has to be produced first and there are real world limitations to consumption. I feel like at this point money =/= money. People with fantasy amounts of money can only really spend it on stuff that costs fantasy amounts of money. Like investments in companies or on a very exclusive market that caters to them and can only cater to a few people anyway like giant yachts or islands. What that money really does is to cement a class divide. It's modern day aristocracy and money is more of a title than anything else. The only real problem is that it is inheritable.

[–]EmpathyWitchJust a random Marxist 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

Is everyone going to be able to afford more stuff? Or are the prices just going to rise?

People will be able to afford more stuff because the raise in price will not be directly proportional to the raise in money earned.

If their wages raise 10% and goods/services raise 5% on average to compensate, they still have 5% more cash at the end of the day.

[–]TheRajMahal 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

They could (aka what I would do if I had that kind of money) invest it infrastructure such as transportation or green energy as well as schools and hospitals to help everyone out. 1 dollar spend on infrastructure goes such a long way and produces so much more real value for everyone. I don't think it would take that much money to provide everyone with clean water, nutritious food and transportation. That money can be used to benefit the people but that's not a "good investment" and the elite won't get anything in return so obviously will never happen.

All I'm really trying to say is that money does have real value, it's just never spent on things that creat real value

[–]SaggyBallsHD 46ポイント47ポイント  (37子コメント)

Oh but won't somebody think of the poor small business owners. It's not like they're taking advantage of shit wages too...right?

[–]GoPlayTagPro 7ポイント8ポイント  (34子コメント)

Could you explain your comment.

[–]FireSolvesEverythingRadical Worker 26ポイント27ポイント  (33子コメント)

I'm a worker in a small business. The owner here hardly ever works at all. He only shows up to micromanage what we do, do some logistics work the managers do just as well as (or even better than) him, and talk to his best customers. He still takes the majority of the profits while paying us as little as possible. We do all the work, he takes all the money. Even when you have a small business where the owner works alongside the workers, the workers are treated unfairly.

[–]eLyUKayEeAnarchist/Libertarian Socialist 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

Sounds like my first factory job. Manager was a fatass who just showed up to micromanage. He'd never worked the machines there in his life.

Compared with my job in farming. My boss is almost always working with his employees when he isn't with his family. THAT is how business leadership should be.

[–]GoPlayTagPro 5ポイント6ポイント  (20子コメント)

It sound's like you and your co-workers could go off on your own with your own company and run it a lot better than this guy. Why not do that?

[–]FireSolvesEverythingRadical Worker 37ポイント38ポイント  (19子コメント)

Because we all live paycheck to paycheck and a restaurant requires a lot of up-front investment.

[–]xantherqlease 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

Not every small business is like this. I have a small dinner down in the south, and every one of my workers walks away with more money than I do every week. If I had to raise their pay, I wouldn't be able to stay open more than a month.

[–]bath_salt_addict44 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

Felt like I needed to respond to this. As a truly small business owner with 3 full time (45+ hours) employees, the expenses are so great in the growth stages that I have absolutely no choice but to cap wages at a certain amount.

The formula under the currently projected gross/net puts my salary at just $1/hr above my highest paid employee, and $3/hr from my lowest paid employee. I make sure that leftover money (before payroll) is spread around as fair as possible to the employees even though my responsibilities far exceed theirs, naturally as the money is not there yet to pay them more money to handle the duties or to hire someone part time for it. The expenses are tremendous. I am extremely eager for the day when the business has developed a cash flow that will enable me to put all of the working parts of the system in place and actually let me breathe for a weekend, or even cut my hours to 20-40 a week, while still being just as passionate about the business and its success as I am now, and ensuring everyone receives the pay that the position is worth, not more or less with the exception of bonuses for a good year.

My point...we gross about $700-$1000 a day on average. While it seems to everyone in the outside world that I must be loaded, I am in fact struggling and am paid well below a fair price for my work. HOWEVER, even just a small raise to me or my employees would offset the cash flow enough to potentially hurt the business and prevent investing in growth.

If a small business owner is receiving a generous salary (100k+) after all expenses, yet still neglects paying their employees a fair wage, that is grounds to judge his character. However for some businesses, the cash flow of assets such as McDonald's or Burger King just isn't there for us to be able to make such pay increases.

[–]sanguisfluitLeft-Bolshevik 4ポイント5ポイント  (1子コメント)

What the hell is going on in this thread

[–]Kush5150Searching for the ghost of Tom Joad 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

This thread made /r/all...

[–]hoseja 6ポイント7ポイント  (1子コメント)

Why is nobody talking about why is the rent so goddamn high? The minimum wage wouldn't have to be so high if the cost of living weren't so exuberant. Also all the rent money usually goes straight to rich people pockets because they own all the property.

[–]abstract_warrior 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

In my area, there are 2 property owners in the entire city and they collude as much as possible.

[–]hbaum11 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

Soon more people will be out of work.

[–]Lord_Varys 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

While there is certainly a problem with balooning corporate profits, it's important to remember that small business is still the primary driver of employment, at least in the USA.

[–]Ephraim325 3ポイント4ポイント  (3子コメント)

There are logical arguements to both sides.... The reality of any economy is you will never be able to establish an economy in such a way that the needs and wants of all citizens are met equally. While it is a fundamentally good idea the true theories of communism and socialism will most likely remain more economic philosphy or theory until mankind makes drastic drastic changes to our most basic needs and desires.

[–]submarshalWHO'S CHAMP 8ポイント9ポイント  (1子コメント)

It's been apparent since Marx that a capitalist market will never be able to serve the working class. It will always be a struggle of class interests pulling in each direction and the well-being of the proletariat depends entirely on the boom of capitalism. The social democratic welfare state in Scandinavia which liberals like to praise so much was built during the post-WW2 golden age of economic prosperity. The moment profits take a dive and capitalism hits a crisis the working class is the first to pay the price by liberals cutting into welfare and promoting policies to lower wages while the bourgeoisie gets even richer from privatization of common goods and the new anti-worker policies. You can read some more about a Marxist perspective on Scandinavia's social democracy here: http://hecticdialectics.com/2015/08/03/social-democracy-is-not-enough-a-critique-of-the-nordic-model/

Socialism isn't economic philosophy, it's a framework for understanding capitalism and with its common ownership of the means of production and abolishment of the commodity a foundation for an alternative. The capitalist system is inherently unfair and exploitative and the only way to fix it is to get rid of it entirely. People start to get confused and led astray when socialism is talked about as some kind of "nice" version of capitalism.

[–]nidrach -1ポイント0ポイント  (0子コメント)

The capitalist market will always serve primarily the working class. Don't look at it from a money perspective but from a pure consumption perspective i.e. quantity of goods. The majority of people will always consume the majority of goods. If you distribute money differently it won't lead to any change in the distribution of goods because shit has to be built and shipped and stored and all of that has underlying real world limitations. If the real world economy takes a hit of course the hit will be felt where the majority of consumption is. All that the current accumulation of money at the top 10% does is to exclude people from a market that couldn't possible be served by that market anyway. There's only going to be so much space in Manhattan or San Francisco or the City of London. You can only build so many luxury Yachts and there are only so many islands. These markets can never be open to a general always growing population. The bigger the population the more expensive items are going to be that have limited quantity. The distribution of those items can and will never be fair because it is impossible.

But the capitalist system has lead to an increase in real world consumption for the working class. Food is plentiful, housing can be cheap if you aren't trying to live somewhere where everyone wants to live, everybody has access to basic luxuries like cars,household appliances, televisions, computers and cellphones. That is nowhere comparable to the situation during Marx's lifetime where hunger was a very real problem and there were 15+ people living in one apartment.

The problem of the capitalist system is social mobility and not consumption of goods. It establishes a new aristocracy and that's not a good thing.

Societies always had and always will have elites no matter what form the society has simply there always will be some items with a limited supply and the distribution of those items has to follow some set of rules. In the communists systems it was just as unequal as it was in other system only the way you had to go to get there was different often through advancement in the party etc.

[–]Jah_Ith_Ber 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

Humans are such shit animals that we will become post-scarcity before we adopt equitable allocation of resources.

:(

[–]picapica7 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

Spot on.

[–]CosmicButthoIe -2ポイント-1ポイント  (0子コメント)

Ok you're not supposed to make a career off of bagging groceries or flipping burgers you fucking retard