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Proof that feminism is in serious trouble

By David King 90 Comments
Just a quick couple of comments about an article on Every Woman Weekly which, if you take it at face value, demonstrates that feminism is in serious, serious trouble.
Ostensibly, it’s an Agony Aunt-style piece in which “Ariana” despairs that her three year old son seems to be growing into a healthy, cis, presumptively hetero male kid, and what she can do about it. That’s right, she wants to force her three year boy into being a girl, because fuck Patriarchy and cis, het shitlords and, well, because reason. (Hint: the word is “bigotry”.)
Of course such people exist, but what is disturbing — again, if you take this at face value — is that the respondent supported and encouraged her in her objective to mess with her son’s gender identity.
‘strewth. It’s as if nobody ever learned from history. If this were real, then the future path of this poor kid is pretty much mapped out by the tragic case of David Reimer who, along with his twin brother, was circumcised in 1966 aged eight months by cauterisation on account of phimosis (an abnormality of the foreskin which can, in some cases, interfere with urination and other normal biological functions).
Aside from the unusual method (for which there presumably was a good reason — infant foreskin can’t usually be retracted), this case is one of those rare procedures done for legitimate medical reasons, as opposed to ritual or cultural ones. What happened next, though, was far from legitimate (or routine).
Perhaps because of the unusual method, the urologist badly botched the job well beyond repair and, after a bit of head-scratching, it was decided, sorry, recommended by an “expert” by the name of John Money to perform SRS (Sex Reassignment Surgery) immediately and raise David as a girl.
Money was a proponent of the now discredited theory of tabula rasa (lit. “blank slate”) which says that an infant’s brain is like a blank slate on which anything (up to and including gender identity) can be written, usually by social custom and that, therefore, so long as the boy was raised as a girl, she would not know any different from girls born female.
Of course, this is complete bosh and despite oestrogen injections at the appropriate times, Reimer knew, at puberty, that he was, in fact, male. Eventually, he got SRS to be reassigned back to his proper gender, but the damage was done. He suicided aged 38, having suffered severe depression amongst other serious psychiatric conditions for most of his life.
Reimer’s case is proof positive of the falsehood of the radical feminist hypothesis that gender is socialised, and the same dynamic will play out if what is presented in that Every Woman Weekly article is not, in fact, satire.
And that’s why feminism is in deep trouble; it’s classic Poe’s Law — nobody, not even the commentators on that site (most of whom presumably are regular readers of that publication) were certain whether the OP was legit or satire.
And if it’s now so hard to tell the difference between genuine feminism (whatever that may be) and the sort of batshittery on display by “Ariana” (the mother) and Jane Agni (the author of the OP), then feminism has so long since jumped the shark that rational feminism (yes, I know) has faded from modern memory.
That such a piece could even be considered for publication is a huge warning flag for the degeneracy of modern feminist thought, whether or not it is satire. And if that weren’t enough, even that paragon of feminist thought, Susan Brownmiller, recently commented that modern feminism has gone too far (specifically, in respect of campus rape culture hysteria).
Feminists, be worried. If you want your movement to survive, you need to get your house in order, pronto. Why are there not headlines on mainstream news sources about this craziness as much as there is about misogyny, genuine or imagined?
I think there are two answers to that, and the causes are both very likely incurable.
First, it is very difficult to speak out against feminist orthodoxy if you identify as feminist. Oh, some do, but usually with much acrimony and at great personal cost (just ask Christina Hoff Sommers). Feminist schisms do happen, but only after enough critical mass has built up, but otherwise most feminists are too afraid to commit 1984-style thoughtcrime and of the consequent ostracisation, loss of community or, if they’re lucky, just “re-education”. And I don’t blame them (shows they have at least some sense of self-preservation).
Second, feminist philosophy is now a highly competitive subject, and distinction (and attention) are achieved by “out extreming” the extremists. In a world where women (at least in law) enjoy every right that men do (and some that men don’t), there isn’t a lot of room left for moderate voices, which means that everywhere from the public marketplace of ideas to the hallowed halls of feminist academic scholarship, only crazy can compete.
And the worst part (for feminists)? Even the rank and file public, who have no interest in gender issues and are not familiar with the subject, can see clearly the toxicity of modern feminism.
Feminism has had its day, and its influence on the public zeitgeist is waning. Some of what it achieved is good, and (hopefully) will be retained. Much of the damage it has done is likely irreversible, but I think soon will come the day that even politicians (who care only about votes) will no longer be able to ignore the absurdity of their demands.
But that influence is not dead yet. Until high-ranking, unelected feminist policy-makers are no longer able to inflict damage on society, we must soldier on. Then, we’ve got to figure out a way of cleaning up the mess and repairing gender relations without inflicting any further damage to the common man and woman.
Meeting injustice with injustice serves no useful purpose.

The Bio for the author of the OP, Jane Agni, includes:
She’s currently at work on the follow up tentatively named “Sisters Of Shame: The Why In Womyn” . Jane M. Agni now writes full-time for National Report, giving her unique perspective on the latest world events.
The National Report is a satirical publication and, if the bio is accurate, that is a strong hint that the linked piece is satire. But would you have guessed that had I not pointed it it out (or had you not followed that up yourself)?
My guess that enough people would be left wondering, which proves my thesis: feminism has been pretty much fucked by its own extremists, hoisted by its own petard of irrational hatred. There’s an object lesson for MHRAs right there: police our own, or end up like them.
Correction: in the original version of this article, I said it was Gloria Steinem who’d commented that feminism had gone too far, but I couldn’t find the reference so I didn’t link it.
Turns out it was Susan Brownmiller, which would explain why I couldn’t find it. The article has been corrected, with a link added to Brownmiller’s interview. Thanks to August Løvenskiolds for picking up on that one. —DK

About David King

David King is a senior executive at A Voice for Men, is the manager of server operations and is responsible for the care and feeding of the machines that bring you A Voice for Men.
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        • Paul Adams 2 hours ago
          I read David's first sentence then jumped straight to the Every Woman Weekly article to get context for the rest of this article. I had never heard of Every Woman Weekly and honestly almost couldn't tell that it was satire. I mean, shit, the radfem hub bitches had to go somewhere, right?
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            • PaulMurrayCbr 5 hours ago
              "Every Woman Weekly" is a humour and satire site. Like Reductress, The Onion, The Daily Mash. Jayne Agni writes for The National Report, for God's sake.
              Consider yourself poe'd,and do a good-humoured semi-retraction.
              The article (and its comments) remain interesting, though. They are both part of a broad backlash against misandry. No-one can write this sort of thing these days without getting jumped on, which is a good thing.
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              • TheManWithNoHat 6 hours ago
                Feminism relies entirely on illusions, and the thing about illusions is that they must be maintained lest the truth shines through.
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                  • - TheFinn - 6 hours ago
                    I really think you're underestimating this shit. I'm 45, I decided to bring this article up with my mum on the phone who is 72...
                    I'll admit I was a bit apoplectic.
                    "You seem awfully upset about this, there's nothing you can do about it, so don't be upset about it."
                    I replied - "Isn't how all this shit started? You women sitting around telling each other how some man seemed upset, and how awful it was?"
                    50 years ago - don't be upset it's scarey.
                    now - don't be male at all.
                    The irony.
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                      • Kendall 6 hours ago
                        I just wanted to point out a random troll post on the fake article page posted by "Hitler" which said "And this is why I hate you people. I look forward to putting you all in camps."
                        It was an awful disgusting post, but I have to admit I chuckled. It seemed such fitting hateful ridiculous satire to the article under which it was posted.
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                        • Danlantic 7 hours ago
                          People have complained that the National Report the Dunning-Kruger equivallent of The Onion. That is, the Dunning-Kruger study started with Princeton students who thought they were funny but could not tell a joke and were getting only courtesy laughs from friends.
                          But Jane Agni's "gender neutral" husband in the piece is hilarious.
                          I checked Amazon for The States Of Shame: Living As A Liberated Womyn In America which was "on Oprah's Book Club and quickly went bestseller" and they never head of it. I double checked with DuckDuckGo and ditto. Snopes, however, has an entry for it.
                          I want to hear more from Jane Agni. She is a definitely talented comedy writer.
                          But are there feminist mothers like that? About 20 years ago Florida Today, our local newspapaper, had a regular columnist named Ruth Bell something who wrote on feminism. She had 2 sons and she avowed that she would never let them play sports. Sports would teach them that stronger players can defeat weaker ones. That would teach her sons that they are stronger than girls. That would turn them into rapists. It wasn't satire and I am not exaggerating or speculating about her thought. She laid it out as plainly as I just did. It was not satire; she meant it.
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                            • Szebran 8 hours ago
                              "Feminists, be worried. If you want your movement to survive"
                              Feminism IS sexism. The movement should NOT survive. It should be thrown into the scrap heap of history along with communism, fascism and any other totalitarian ideology.
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                                • Nathan 8 hours ago
                                  Whether the article in question is satire or not, the 'advice' it gives, if followed, would severely damage a child, and badly affect their understanding of gender.
                                  If it's satire, it's in incredibly bad taste and very dangerous.
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                                    • RevSpinnaker > Nathan 8 hours ago
                                      I disagree completely. It is not only satire, but some of the best satire I've seen in a while. It works on the basic premise of the provocateur. Bad taste, well yeah, what would you expect? But dangerous? Far from it, in fact quite the opposite. This is the type of article, as David articulates, that gets your attention and makes the point that satire or not, feminism is what makes the story so believable. If this article is dangerous to anyone it's feminists.
                                      Can hardly wait to see Huff-Po's take on it.
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                                        • Jonathan Watson > RevSpinnaker 8 hours ago
                                          Nathan may have a point. I can see a women not only not recognizing the satire but following the advice. Never ever underestimate feminist stupidity or evil.
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                                            • RevSpinnaker > Jonathan Watson 7 hours ago
                                              I agree 100%. But it's already dangerous for boys being brainwashed and blamed for being boys. This article brilliantly illustrates just how deviate gender projection is to a child. There should be laws, articles like this one give us a chance to talk about that.
                                              The way I look at it is thanks to feminism, there's always going to be a woman out there that wants to cut your dick off. Look at Sharon Osborne and the hysterical Talk audience. Cackling like wild at the thought of a fresh castration.
                                              Instilling a female persona on a young boy is child abuse, pure and simple. Kind of like psychological castration. We need to designate laws accordingly.
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                                                • Nathan > RevSpinnaker 6 hours ago
                                                  Sorry, but it doesn't.
                                                  It may be intended tongue in cheek, but there are people out there who advocate stuff this crazy or worse.
                                                  Remember the KillAllMen hashtag?
                                                  That wasn't satire and it wasn't ironic misandry...it was just plain hate.
                                                  One of the key points of satire is that it is TOO ridiculous to be believed. But we have women who are advocating only breastfeeding infant females to give them an advantage over boys, hell, one even advocated circumcision for her theoretical son so he wouldn't enjoy sex.
                                                  I understand where the author is going, but she just sounds like a female supremacist, not a satirist.
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                                            • fidelbogen 10 hours ago
                                              The article in question struck me as blatantly intended satire. Somehow, the author lays it on just a bit TOO thick.
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                                              • Philip Schuster 11 hours ago
                                                You may get some blow back for mentioning that there actually was a time when feminists made some positive advances toward gender equality (over 40 years ago) and that we must be vigilant of extremism within the men's movement so this doesn't happen to us (yes it could). That being said, it's no exaggeration that modern feminists want men to be more effeminate. This very thing happened to me back @1970. I was sucked into the whole thing because I'm a sensitive beta male who thought they would accept my "feminine side".
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                                                  • David King Mod > Philip Schuster 11 hours ago
                                                    Tbh, I'm not overbothered if some misunderstand my article. People can take it or leave it, but I don't think there's much disputing that things were a bit shit for women and that there were things that needed to be fixed. Now they have, though whether that's directly attributable to feminism or whether it would have happened anyway as a matter of natural social and cultural development is an entirely different subject, but not a very interesting one.
                                                    Here's the thing: I'm willing to give them the benefit of the doubt on that, because it doesn't actually matter either way. Even if feminists accomplished some worthwhile things in the past, that does not legitimise the feminism of today nor nearly all of what is now done in its name. The EWW article is an exemplar of that (if it weren't satire), so is that idiot who thinks that "all PIV is rape, okay?" (not gonna link, google it if you must), so is all this BS that's going on in the name of Title IX and Title IV-D (or whatever it is) or the countless other nonsense that AVfM routinely covers.
                                                    In fact, if anything, it makes it worse for feminists if, once, they actually did have a useful contribution to make and now have only crazy, because it means they've gone backwards.
                                                    (I think they once did: there is at least one old recording of an interview with a NOW rep whose words could have been uttered by many modern MHRAs, including, if memory serves, agreement that equality necessitates women's obligation of selective service. But we're going back a long way, here. Note: that's not to say that all feminists of that era were sane; clearly, they weren't, but it serves no useful purpose to deny that, once, some people tried to do some good things in the name of feminism.)
                                                    Extremism already exists within the men's movement. There are some truly insane examples, Peter Nolan for one, many of the masculists for another. We know of one or two actual paedophiles who would coöpt us if they could. Some PUAs worship vagina too much, a few MGTOWs (very much the minority) are genuine misogynists. Others have a world view simply not shared by AVfM, and that's okay, too. My exhortation to call out extremism and shitty ideas isn't a call to uniformity.
                                                    Otherwise, agreed. Modern feminism is a supperating pox that needs reform or to lose what power they have left if they won't.
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                                                    • Philip Schuster > Philip Schuster 11 hours ago
                                                      So this article is satire? POE's Law got me again.
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                                                        • David King Mod > Philip Schuster 10 hours ago
                                                          I'm 99% sure the EWW article is satire, but I'm not certain. Mine, no, wasn't intended to be ;)
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                                                            • RevSpinnaker > David King 9 hours ago
                                                              I Googled her book titles and they are definitely part of the gag. Very funny, good writing. I like the context you put it in with a specific case. There are many others that are not so extreme. A recent case of sexual projection on a child which was lauded by the American media was "the Princess Boy." Some "mother" decided that since her boy had an affinity for glitter and purple he must be a princess. So she dressed him up, wrote a children's book and did the media tour. There really need to be laws.
                                                              Another famous case is that of the worst Hollywood movie producer ever, the cult hero Ed Wood. He made the camp classic, "Plan 9 From Outer Space.." He also made "Glenn or Glenda," where he came out as a closet transvestite and about his passion for all things angora. After his death his ex-wife said in an interview that his mother raised him as a girl from birth. His life ended sadly as his career bottomed out in drunken transvestite porn.
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                                                              • RevSpinnaker > Philip Schuster 10 hours ago
                                                                Worked great. I pretty much knew it was satire, but the comments had me wondering. Some really subtle writing, even the fake book titles in her faux-bio were believable.
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                                                              • Tooj 11 hours ago
                                                                David, I appreciate your view, but I would extend it to say that our society is pretty screwed up. This goes beyond feminism and into the realm of current societal concerns no matter who "started the fire".
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                                                                  • David King Mod > Tooj 11 hours ago
                                                                    I don't disagree, but since feminism is one of the primary drivers of maintenance of that state, we should fix the biggest problems first, then figure out what to do next at the appropriate time.
                                                                    Besides, as I have pointed out elsewhere in the comments, my OP is as much a challenge to feminists to explain why they don't openly condemn such idiocy with the same ferocity as they bark on about imaginary patriarchy and rape culture or, if they do, then to show where.
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                                                                    • private 12 hours ago
                                                                      Forcing a child into the opposite gender is child abuse plain and simple. However denying that some people really do feel,think and act much more like people of the opposite sex is going backwards. I as a trans-person don't want us to go back to the old days when we were dismissed as either mentally ill or viewed as perverts. Sadly they're are still many people who view transgenderism/transsexuality as little more than a lifestyle choice, that is kinky s**t that has no place outside of the bedroom.
                                                                      You can't force someone who is not trans into becoming trans. The Reimer case makes this very clear. However it will only make a trans-person extremely unhappy and even suicidal to deny their very strongly felt identity.
                                                                      Feminism has always had a very strange attitude to transsexuality. On the one hand trans-men have always been made welcome. It is well-known that The Michigan Womyn music Festival openly welcomes trans-men however masculine they present. While trans-women are utterly shunned and I believe will be asked to leave if discovered.
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                                                                        • RevSpinnaker > private 10 hours ago
                                                                          Last I heard the Music Fest no longer exists.
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                                                                            • David King Mod > private 10 hours ago
                                                                              However denying that some people really do feel,think and act much more like people of the opposite sex is going backwards.
                                                                              I don't think that's in dispute, either by most feminists (I say most, because TERFs are even more vile than the run-of-the-mill specie) or by AVfM. As you say, the Reimer case I cited is proof that gender dysphoria is a real phenomenon.
                                                                              I as a trans-person don't want us to go back to the old days when we were dismissed as either mentally ill or viewed as perverts.
                                                                              Nor do we. As far as AVfM is concerned, trans* people either were (or now are) men, and therefore deserve the same support and voice as any other man, whichever the case or whereever they are in their transition.
                                                                              If you've got anything to say about transgenderism or gender dysphoria from first-hand perspective, I'm sure that we'd welcome an article from you. See Writers' Guidelines under the policies nav tab if you fancy submitting a piece.
                                                                              Also, you may have missed what I said below on this subject:
                                                                              ETA: Oh, and for those who think transgenderism is a perversion or a fiction, it [the Reimer case] also demonstrates that gender dysphoria is a real thing and that genuine cases of transgenderism should be treated with SRS when indicated. The only difference between natural transgenderism and Reimer's case is that Reimer's transgenderism was artificial and, worse, iatrogenic (caused by doctors).
                                                                              You can't force someone who is not trans into becoming trans. The Reimer case makes this very clear. However it will only make a trans-person extremely unhappy and even suicidal to deny their very strongly felt identity.
                                                                              Of course, which is why the EWW article I wrote about is so batshit (or would be, if it weren't satire). I saw one commentator there who suggested the whole point of the piece was to illustrate why people should take gender dysphoria seriously (ie by role reversal). Whether that was the original intention or not, I guess we'll never know. It's also not germane to my point (that feminism has become so crazy, that it's nearly impossible to tell from satire, per Poe's Law).
                                                                              Feminism has always had a very strange attitude to transsexuality. On the one hand trans-men have always been made welcome. It is well-known that The Michigan Womyn music Festival openly welcomes trans-men however masculine they present. While trans-women are utterly shunned and I believe will be asked to leave if discovered.
                                                                              It has. It's part of the schizophrenic/doublethink mindset implicit in modern feminism, and why there are so many different factions of it. One thing you can give to radfems: at least they stick to their principles, more or less. Shame they have no sane answer as to why men should be treated any differently to women short of screaming PAAAAATRIARCHY! and RAAAAAAPE! etc.
                                                                              MichFest was an oddity, but one fairly typical of that radfem mindset. AIUI, they were, in the end, more or less forced to allow transwomen, in a sort-of-but-not-really way. Maybe they got threatened with a law suit (just guessing, but they might have fallen foul of the ADA). Maybe that explains why they closed up for good, because they didn't want to comply with the law but didn't want to get sued, either.
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                                                                              • PlainOldTruth 14 hours ago
                                                                                I am gratified (exceedingly) to see the Reimer case discussed. The notion that "gender" (a social construction) overrides hormonal and structural mammalian biology ("sex," not a cultural construction) was a newish dogma when Dr. Gender Frankenstein Money decided to try going full-Promethian with the species.
                                                                                This case and the issues it brings up is MRM 101 material. Real history. Real facts. Real complex problems that need detailed honest examination: much more important than so many not-really-productive internet flame wars that sap so much energy (and are really more about personality conflict0-mongering than about exposing and combating the Big Fat Orthodox Ideology that is fully ensconced in all powerful social institutions that WILL control you if you do not combat it).
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                                                                                • Francis 14 hours ago
                                                                                  Just checked, all of Jane Agni's articles on Every Woman Weekly are satire. Lighten up folks, she's merely mocking gender ideologues' lunacy.
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                                                                                  • biljay 14 hours ago
                                                                                    I was curious about the history of human sacrifice so I did a search on the psychology of human sacrifice and found some interesting readings. I searched this because on another discussion group it seemed like men are not important, but, women are. It made me think that humans still have the psychological needs for human sacrifice, so, men are to be sacrificed.
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                                                                                      • David King Mod > biljay 14 hours ago
                                                                                        I'd say that sacrifice and disposibility are two separate things.
                                                                                        The value of sacrifice is in proportion to what is being sacrificed, so if you were right about men being objects of sacrifice, that would imply that they have more value than women, not less.
                                                                                        On the other hand, you use the cheapest resources required to get a job done, and if women are worth more than men, then you use men for the risky jobs because you can afford to lose more (but not all) of them.
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