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[–]B_deux 47ポイント48ポイント  (2子コメント)

Someone buy this kid another fucking shirt.

[–]vanderhevel 19ポイント20ポイント  (1子コメント)

Nah he has to wear his nasa shirt, so you can see what a "smart young man " he is.

[–]faustrex [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

This is the shit I'm coming back to every single time /r/news has a knee-jerk reaction to some shit based on the story at exactly face value.

[–]Anosognosia 180ポイント181ポイント  (51子コメント)

Regardless of what camp your belong to "he's just a ltitle atention whore" or "he's a 14year old genius" you got to remember he's just 14 and then try to remember what stupid shit you said when you were 14.
You don't have to like it, but you have to remember that most of us don't get our shit together until we are atleast 25. (hard to hear if you are a 22 year old US college student who thinks you know everything...a common reddit demographic)

Also, all this publicity and the response, both positive and negative IS a direct result of his heritage and name. That can't really be disputed. And that's a problem, muslims in the US is "different" in one way or another, either by virute of being "victims of opression" or "dangerous subversives". They rarely get to be themselves.

So no matter if his dad intended to stir up the pot or if a 14 year old soldered some shit together that he thoguht it looked cool. The story starts and ends with seperate status of US muslims. For better and for worse.

There really is no need to "correct the misconceptions". Because that's not the core issue here. And being overly vigilant and sensitive is just a big a part of the problem as being to naïve and sucked into the attentioncycle.

[–]ripinpeppers 6ポイント7ポイント  (1子コメント)

Good point. I dont know what I would've done if I had a lot of attention like this at 14.

[–]modernbenoni 3ポイント4ポイント  (0子コメント)

I'd have probably started saying some super edgy shit on Twitter. Good times.

[–]ComfyRug 22ポイント23ポイント  (39子コメント)

This is exactly the story here. He didn't come to the news outlets and go "look, I've soldered a clock, I'm a fucking genuis". He was arrested because he was Muslim and holding wires. The media sensationalised it to "local genius arrested by backwards hillbillys" and he just sorta ran with it because he enjoyed the attention. Not to mention he's on TV and they're clearly making him out to be the next Einstein. What is he supposed to say? "I just really took parts out of a clock and put them in a brief case"? No chance. He became the story through no fault of his own.

I don't know if you watch John Oliver but his last segment about the EU immigration done the exact same thing. The little kid in the wheelchair was raised higher than she is because they've got an agenda to push. It's pretty pathetic doing that to kids.

[–]AlphaNeonic 18ポイント19ポイント  (0子コメント)

House of Cards has a really good episode dealing with this. During a teacher's strike, Kevin Spacey's character is sitting around listening to a police scanner waiting for a shooting or something to happen so he can swoop in and blame the kid's death on the strike.

Next scene he's on the news by the crying mother's side "This wouldn't have happened if he'd been in school."

Fiction of course, but not at all far from the truth.

[–]kangareagle 0ポイント1ポイント  (2子コメント)

He was not arrested because he was a Muslim holding some wires. We've see tons of zero-tolerance bullshit applied to white kids, too.

[–]discipula_vitae [スコア非表示]  (1子コメント)

I don't know man.... I've never heard of a white kid, or any other kid, getting arrested at school for having something that had no semblance of a weapon whatsoever...

[–]wasniahC [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

I've heard of people being suspended for biting a pop-tart into the shape of a gun and mock-shooting wtih it. Does that count?

[–]oncogenie -3ポイント-2ポイント  (31子コメント)

He was arrested because he was Muslim and holding wires?? He was arrested because the school thought he had a fake bomb. No matter the race or religion of someone, they would have fallen victim to the same stupid zero tolerance policies. It's like bringing a fake gun to school, or being suspended because you bit your pop tart into the shape of a gun. Please stop with this false narrative.

[–]grnrngr 3ポイント4ポイント  (6子コメント)

No matter the race or religion of someone, they would have fallen victim to the same stupid zero tolerance policies.

Thou givest an overabundance of credit to thine school system.

[–]oncogenie 1ポイント2ポイント  (5子コメント)

Granted, that claim was overstated, but we have an abundance of evidence of kids getting suspended/expelled/arrested for petty violations of zero tolerance policy. Most just didn't blow up into a national news story because there was no narrative to drive in their cases. It's very easy for kids to face disciplinary action for even the slightest of infractions, so why attribute this solely to the kid being Muslim?

[–]grnrngr [スコア非表示]  (4子コメント)

so why attribute this solely to the kid being Muslim?

According to the kid, the arresting officers alluded to his race/religion when they showed up on the scene.

And I get your zero-tolerance objections. The rules are stupid - make a finger in the shape of a gun, you get punished as if you actually brought one. Just stupid.

But I don't think zero-tolerance is the case here. The device was never represented as a "bomb," it was never represented as a weapon. All it took was for some whack-job teacher thinks it looks like a "movie bomb" - as if the kid had tried to make a bomb and hilariously failed, despite telling anyone who'd listen that it was a clock - and the kid is suddenly in trouble.

You have to wonder if bias played in a role in her perception - and I would wager it did.

[–]oncogenie [スコア非表示]  (3子コメント)

It's pure conjecture on your part to assume the teacher only was worried because the kid was Muslim. Tons of non-Muslim kids have been expelled for stupider things. As for the cop commenting on his race, ya that's bad, but it doesn't in any way clue us into the mindset of the teachers who called the police. You are using the cop's reaction to indict the English teacher

[–]grnrngr [スコア非表示]  (2子コメント)

It's pure conjecture on your part to assume the teacher only was worried because the kid was Muslim.

I didn't say that. At all.

What I did say was that I think the teacher's perception of what she was may have been biased by the kid's background. That sort of biasing happens all the time, to you, to me, to everyone. It's often subconscious and hard to identify while it's happening, and that's what makes it such a hard thing to stamp out.

[–]oncogenie [スコア非表示]  (1子コメント)

Yes, but by doing so you are insinuating that she was suspicious because he was Muslim, when we just don't know how she would have reacted if he were not Muslim. And based on the wide variety of instances where people of all races were suspended/detained/expelled over minor infractions, it doesn't make much sense to focus on that one attribute as the root cause here.

[–]grnrngr [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

Yes, but by doing so you are insinuating that she was suspicious because he was Muslim

More suspicious because he was a Muslim, yes, I freely cop to that.

And based on the wide variety of instances where people of all races were suspended/detained/expelled over minor infractions, it doesn't make much sense to focus on that one attribute as the root cause here.

I'm pretty sure if you did a sample of these incidents by race, you'll see it decidedly trending in the direction of people of color, despite them be underrepresented in the general population.

That's how it works for adults, and kids would be no different.

Again, it all comes down to those biases I spoke of.

As for this teacher, I don't put her above the general trend re: bias and race. Why? Because she freaked out at a "movie bomb," I don't credit her with the ability to think critically.

[–]krelin 4ポイント5ポイント  (22子コメント)

http://gawker.com/7-kids-not-named-mohamed-who-brought-homemade-clocks-to-1730999866

[–]LN2482 8ポイント9ポイント  (1子コメント)

gawker

[–]krelin 3ポイント4ポイント  (0子コメント)

I'll admit, I felt bad linking it. But it popped up while I was googling for something else about the kid and I thought it was funny/ironically apropos.

[–]Pm_Me_Gifs_For_Sauce 2ポイント3ポイント  (2子コメント)

With no pictures that article doesn't really help.

That clcok at the top of the page looks like a stereotypical bomb that a villain might use in Hollywood movie.

That's not to say I believe the kid would actually have made a bomb, or to say I would have tried to have him arrested, nor is it to say bombs can't look like regular clocks. It's just to say what the average person thinks they know of bombs, that clock in the picture above, looks like one. Racism bias added to that fact can give us the result we got, where a little kid was arrested.

[–]krelin 9ポイント10ポイント  (1子コメント)

fwiw, no one actually thought he had a bomb. Let's be clear. They didn't do anything a sane person would do with a bomb.

[–]ryanvvb 4ポイント5ポイント  (0子コメント)

This is a huge part of the story that I don't think a lot of people are paying attention to.

[–]ryanvvb 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

If he were walking around pretending to have a bomb, you would have a point but they didn't even react the way would to a bomb threat. They did it because he's Muslim

[–]vanderhevel -4ポイント-3ポイント  (1子コメント)

How would you feel if what he brought to school was a bomb and he blew half the place up? You'd be saying, "why would they even let him in with that?"

I think schools go overboard and are taking kids personalities away, but this isn't one of those cases.

[–]EPorDP 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

But they didn't actually think it was a bomb. They didn't call in a bomb squad or evacuate the school or take any sort of precautions in that regard. Instead they interrogated the kid for an hour and half (without his parents, mind you). His English teacher, the one that reported the clock to his principal, initially told Ahmed not to show it to anyone else.

They thought it was a "hoax bomb," which means they thought he manufactured the clock with the intent to make it look like a bomb. Now why would they think that? Especially for a child who had a reputation for bringing "elaborate gizmos" to school and was nicknamed "Inventor Kid."

https://web.archive.org/web/20150927044105/http://www.dallasnews.com/news/community-news/northwest-dallas-county/headlines/20150926-before-ahmeds-fame-fantastic-inventions-and-a-fight-with-authority.ece http://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2015/sep/17/ahmed-mohamed-is-tired-excited-to-meet-obama-and-wants-his-clock-back

[–]dungeon_plastered [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

The clock was a count down clock. He was in a very diverse public school. As someone who's family and extended family has been very involved in the Texas public school system, I would've also pulled him out of class. I would've pulled him out no matter what race he was. The only problem was that they led the kid out in cuffs. That was where it went too far. However, if that kid was going on a White House tour and had that in his bag he would've ended up being arrested, and 1 President is not more important than an entire school full of children. He needs to understand that it is not ok to bring a countdown clock to a public school without permission.

[–]timz45 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

Very, very well said.

[–]LITTLESCUD [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

But I didn't go on national TV and say stupid shit.

[–]dubu2584 2ポイント3ポイント  (1子コメント)

True. His father I think is the one who should be really up for criticism. He's just a teenage nerd who was put up to it.

[–]Penguin--Soldier [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

Serious question, what's with his father? I've heard people mention him but not why.

[–]massiv3_cunt [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

You are right and I don't hate him for riding his 15 minutes of fame to the fullest. What I hate is the media that keep peddling this shit and the morons who keep eating it up.

[–]ChineseSweatPants [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

29 yr old here, I'm just starting to figure things out, get comfortable, and have a nice rainy day fund. At this rate I'll get my shit together when I'm like 40.

[–]Aerik [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

reddit has never shit on white kids caught faking things so intensely

[–]atomcrusher -1ポイント0ポイント  (0子コメント)

Actually, at least some of the negative response is because he didn't build shit, then lied when he said he did, on national TV. He took apart a commercial clock radio and stuck it in a briefcase.

[–]nbd712 26ポイント27ポイント  (5子コメント)

I'll give him that he has the interest and all, and that's what's most important, but he should at least be honest.

When I was his age, I didn't know how to build a clock, but I still knew basic circuitry. The difference is that I didn't tell people I could make a nuclear reactor.

[–]elcolacho 35ポイント36ポイント  (2子コメント)

Correct me if I'm wrong (like I have to give you permission)... didn't he just take apart an alarm clock and screw the innards into a pencil case?

[–]DOHCMerc 11ポイント12ポイント  (0子コメント)

yes, you can even see the 9V battery backup plug in some pictures.

[–]manwith4names 5ポイント6ポイント  (0子コメント)

"But I still knew basic circuitry."

Then I'm pretty sure you knew more than this kid knows

[–]DayDreamerJon [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

yeah we all did the potato light dude haha

[–]AdrianBlake 10ポイント11ポイント  (0子コメント)

soldering CPUs? He probably has.

[–]ionslyonzion 10ポイント11ポイント  (0子コメント)

The kid was arrested, catapulted into the media, made a poster boy for racism, and he's on national TV at 14 years old. Give the kid a fucking break... half of us would say some retarded shit and be crucified on the internet.

[–]poliwop 7ポイント8ポイント  (0子コメント)

How is this quityourbullshit? There's no call out here; this is weak.

[–]MrMontgomery 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

Em, if it was on Comedy Central does that not mean it was comedy?

[–]Firetrucker 0ポイント1ポイント  (2子コメント)

I'm really confused about the amount of hatred this kid has inspired in some.

[–]manwith4names [スコア非表示]  (1子コメント)

It's a combination of a lot of things. First, the entire situation can be summed up with everyone was stupid and no one is right. The teacher jumped to conclusions, the police didn't follow protocol, the school just tried to cover themselves, the kid didn't "invent a clock," and the media thrust a ton of attention on this incident making matters worse. For those of us who do electronics, programming, or anything technological, it's frustrating to see someone take apart a clock, stick it in a pencil box and then get the recognition of the entire US and every possible dream job. There are people who have worked their entire life building and programming things that have never gotten attention and then there's this kid who puts in a couple minutes of work unscrewing a clock and gets everything they have wanted. It's jealousy.