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TheoryWhy Did Red Pill not get quarantined? (self.TheBluePill)

flamingcanineSecretly a Ferengi が 投稿

One of the things recently that was shocking to most redditors, and became a weird panicking sort of news was the idea of quarantining subreddits.

A lot of the obvious ones got quarantined, like FPH, and a few accidental ones, like blacksinglefathers(a support reddit for black single fathers, now primarily inhabited by people trolling it).

Oddly enough, TheRedPill was never quarantined. I mean, even TRP was confused by this. They expected oppression, and it never ever came. Probably gave them a bad case of blue balls and all.

I was giving it some thought, and I realized something: TRP is so viciously hated by everyone on reddit not in TRP, that outside of TRP linked subreddits and our subreddit, you see a near universal scrubbing of any posts on TRP. I've had several posts that called out a rediculously sexist opinion and suggested they go back to TRP deleted.

In fact, I see a lot of newer users don't even know what TRP is.

I feel the administration therefore overlooked TRP because it is de facto quarantined already.

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[–]theomegaconstant 6ポイント7ポイント  (3子コメント)

TRP can be pretty clever in how they present themselves. Note how (comparatively) moderate their sidebar is, despite the absurdly toxic contents of the sub.

The Red Pill: Discussion of sexual strategy in a culture increasingly lacking a positive identity for men.

It all sounds very harmless, if a bit puerile.

It's also possible (and this is my cynicism talking) that TRP might generate enough money to buy itself a stay of execution until things get too hot to ignore.

[–]flamingcanineSecretly a Ferengi[S] 0ポイント1ポイント  (2子コメント)

TRP isn't even that big, and has a tendancy to brigade when mentioned, so I doubt it's that.

[–]theomegaconstant 1ポイント2ポイント  (1子コメント)

They might buy a lot of Reddit gold, though. I have no idea, mind you, but when something unpleasant is allowed to persist, I always assume that it's because it's making someone money. It's a line of thought that has seldom failed me.

[–]kalerkraut 3ポイント4ポイント  (2子コメント)

I think you are right, they sort of self quarantined. They are so much like a cult, they are really only dangerous to themselves because anyone with half a brain cell thinks they are utterly ridiculous.

Well no, that's not really true, they are dangerous because they are rapists and pedos and do actually pose a threat to unsuspecting people who they lie to in real life. Ugh I hadn't thought about that really. These guys exist in real life. Kinda want to go vomit now...

[–]Omega_Molecule 1ポイント2ポイント  (1子コメント)

I once made a survey to give to the red pill so I could find out the demographic breakdowns of it. My assumption is it is heavily white, young, affluent males.

I figured what's the harm? The red pill mods couldn't possibly have a reason to not want to get to know their population better.

I was wrong. I basically was told 'we don't care what others think.' Which wasn't what my survey was about, it was merely descriptive of the demographics.

They also dismissed me because I included non binary choices for gender identity, like cis and trans.

Any and all interactions I've have with red pills mods has only confirmed the arrogance and douchebaggery I assumed of them.

[–]kalerkraut 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

Wow they are paranoid too on top of being dumb arrogant douchebags, yuck

[–]strongalfalfa 1ポイント2ポイント  (1子コメント)

FPH was banned not quarantined.

[–]flamingcanineSecretly a Ferengi[S] 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

My mistake.

[–]Collectcallfromanan -4ポイント-3ポイント  (22子コメント)

I think for the same reasons that subs like RBN and CreepyPMs did not get quarantined.

I think there is a measure of what they are doing that is simply unpopular and it can be difficult to measure it against what's actually hateful.

I don't like TRP but I also don't really like the other two subs at times. Toxicity does not necessarily = hate.

TRP is mostly "fiction" being portrayed as reality and I think most people understand that.

[–]EsailijaMisandry Enthusiast 3ポイント4ポイント  (0子コメント)

Yea "hating" some creep for their horrible actions is totally comparable to hating an entire gender and advocating rape against them.

[–]flamingcanineSecretly a Ferengi[S] 1ポイント2ポイント  (2子コメント)

I thought we were cool now? Is that not a thing?

I thought it was a thing.

[–]Collectcallfromanan 0ポイント1ポイント  (1子コメント)

Totally cool. I actually had wondered exactly what you titled this and I didn't realize it wasn't a conversation about it. I thought people might like my perspective and...again..f'ing reddit.

You were totally asking the title question for real right? I apologize if my contributions were unwelcome. I was trying to give some perspective, not cause something negative to happen.

My concern with conversations like this is if they skew too far off the original question, they inadvertently provide additional fuel for the masses that are the problem in the first place. I totally think the question is valid.

I spent all summer on another site saying this about false accusations in the criminal justice system (for example). No one believed the statistics and no one believed the results but no one wanted to be falsely accused at the same time they refused to support the falsely accused. That is how you and I met, by the way. Sorry for the staggering of my post. I'm mobile.

[–]kalerkraut 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

And what exactly is your enlightened perspective on false accusations?

[–]theomegaconstant 3ポイント4ポイント  (17子コメント)

What in the world are you talking about?

[–]Collectcallfromanan -3ポイント-2ポイント  (16子コメント)

Which part?

[–]theomegaconstant 4ポイント5ポイント  (15子コメント)

Christ, where to begin? The part where TRP isn't a hate group? The "other two subs" you mentioned on Reddit, which has, like, thousands of them? TRP being portrayed as "fiction," and most people understanding that?

It was all pretty inexplicable. It's possible you have a unique perspective I haven't considered, but from my vantage, you seem to have no idea what TRP is about and why people dislike it so much.

[–]Collectcallfromanan -2ポイント-1ポイント  (14子コメント)

Sorry, I wasn't trying to start a fight. Here's my take on reddit. Reddit is five parts if you boil it down: 1) News items, 2) Internet oddities, 3) people who know each other, 4) Pseudo self help and 5) bullshit/fiction.

News items are a low percentage and stretch across multiple subs, followed by internet oddities and then comes the bullshit/fiction, which is commingled with the pseudo self help items and the people who know each other.

I would say less than 2% of the stories that aren't oddities or news are based in reality. Primarily because there are so many stories.

I mentioned those two subs because I read there and I can spot the bullshit from a mile away. CreepyPMs is historically a feminist place as opposition to the Red Pill and RBN is juxtaposed against the Alientated Parent sites on the internet.

Here's how I boil that down in terms of what I believe/don't believe on reddit and the internet at large. There are three sides to every single story, ever. Side A, Side B and the truth-ish version. When you read in any of these places, you are only reading 1 of 3, therefore it is historically a fictional version of events if you aren't reading the other side and you haven't fleshed out the third side.

I don't consider my perspective to be "unique". I just consider it to be how I complete my judgement of things. I will hunt down the other two sides on something that interests me genuinely and I will ignore the things that seem to be r/thathappened and most of what I read in those three subs I mentioned is very r/thathappened for me. I would always welcome confirmation, but it's unlikely you can ever get that on reddit without much drama and misunderstandings.

In response to the second take, I am not saying they are equals. I am saying they are opposing forces of each other. This sub, even in opposition to hate speech is actually more of an actuary or balancing scale in comparison. It could potentially function as the third side in many situations.

[–]EsailijaMisandry Enthusiast 3ポイント4ポイント  (3子コメント)

Why cannot you make your bullshit point in one or two sentences? Why does it always have to be some long manifesto that goes on and on?

[–]Collectcallfromanan -3ポイント-2ポイント  (2子コメント)

Why do you criticize me for having an opinion that suggests neutrality instead of assumptions?

Is there a particular reason you stand "against hate speech" by being hateful and confused? Or is bullshit and long manifesto as descriptions of my responses meant to foster further conversation and exploration of topics? Complicated points of view sometimes require multiple sentences to insure that people with narrow minds can grasp what is being said.

Self-loathing is a terrible thing to waste. Many people in the world channel it into something productive and wonderful.

[–]EsailijaMisandry Enthusiast 2ポイント3ポイント  (1子コメント)

It suggests delusion, not neutrality. Neutrality is not the same as middle ground fallacy.

[–]kalerkraut 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

The delusion is strong with this one, I'm calling troll. Elsewhere he said something about defending the falsely accused, I think his inner MRA is starting to show

[–]theomegaconstant 2ポイント3ポイント  (9子コメント)

I... kind of get where you're coming from. But I'm not sure how relevant it is to TRP, and why TBP exists in response to it.

TRP is undeniably full of bullshit. Their "field reports" of their sexual conquests being an obvious instance, and their logic-free, anecdote-based "truths" being another. But the problem with TRP is that is creates and fosters a culture of misogyny and white Nationalism that influences any number of confused kids surfing the Internet looking for answers. So while it's great that you and I can see it as the bullshit that it is, many people can't. TRP (and other places like it) attempt to normalize and even celebrate thoughts and actions that can have dark real-world consequences. TBP is rife with collected stories about TRP/MRP's trail of abused lovers, broken marriages, and worse.

I can assure you of one thing: unless the Manosphere is the greatest mass troll job in the history of our species, plenty of people do not see it as "fiction." And Reddit has to decide where they want to stand on this issue, and declare whether or not toxic masculinity is acceptable under their guidelines.

[–]Collectcallfromanan -4ポイント-3ポイント  (8子コメント)

Everything you've said is accurate, but unfortunately, it is simply a time-wasting counter measure to everything on the internet that denigrates the male psyche. You aren't wrong. You just are saying exactly what it is and not understanding it's origin. Feminism came from the opposing view point years ago.

The origin of things like TRP comes from the successes of feminism. The Manosphere is not the greatest mass troll job in history but it is a great example of what happens when news/internet oddities/fiction/pseudo self help brings people together to believe they are "people that know each other". I had a lengthy theory about pseudo sciences that resulted in an argument when I posited that people will automatically gravitate towards people who answer test questions the same way. They may have nothing in common other than the base knowledge set, but they think they have more in common than they do because of that base. Racism comes from this mindset. Gender inequality comes from this base. Every form of bigotry can be traced to one of two things: 1) a bad experience or 2) a bad education (not education in schools, but in empirical knowledge and if we call empiricism experiences, they all come from one thing). Bigotry can best be combatted by making truthful information available, instead we create countermeasures because of our fears and that is where things like CreepyPMs and TRP get back onto the same balancing scale. TRP is because men are scared of women. CreepyPMs is because people are scared of socially inept morons who have more technological access to others than they ever have had in the past. RBN exists because people are scared of crazy parents. Alienated Parent subs and sites exist because those parents are scared they've ruined their children. TBP exists because all of those things exists. FPH exists on the web because people are scared of becoming something they don't understand. It's all based in fear. Fiction is historically created because of fear. The news is disseminated because of fear. I guess it all boils down to whether you are scared or curious. I tend to be the curious sort as opposed to the fearful sort.

[–]theomegaconstant 3ポイント4ポイント  (0子コメント)

I suppose we could provide "truthful information" to counter TRP (and sometimes we do), but they're not going to read it, so we decide to have snarky fun instead. If it's not your thing, that's cool.

[–]kalerkraut 1ポイント2ポイント  (6子コメント)

TBP exists to make fun of those morons and point out their toxic thought patterns, if you think that is a waste of time then why are you here writing manifestos?

[–]Collectcallfromanan -3ポイント-2ポイント  (5子コメント)

I like this sub and thought I could contribute. I didn't realize that it was a sub full of morons making fun of morons and pointing out toxic thought patterns about toxic thought patterns.

An interesting thing led me back to reddit after years away from it. Reddit got rid of all of it's psychos and exiled them to other sites where we ended up getting crushed out of our own internet homes, so to speak, because you guys didn't want the morons with toxic thought patterns.

I was simply joining a conversation. I didn't realize I had to think everyone but me was a moron with a toxic thought pattern. I'll go try and have a constructive conversation elsewhere.

You guys are the reason those guys persist though (not this sub, but the users who really just want to poke them in the eye as opposed to try and understand them and build a rapport with someone who feels your pain) and I'll just leave.

[–]kalerkraut 2ポイント3ポイント  (4子コメント)

I like this sub and thought I could contribute. I didn't realize that it was a sub full of morons making fun of morons and pointing out toxic thought patterns about toxic thought patterns.

An interesting thing led me back to reddit after years away from it. Reddit got rid of all of it's psychos and exiled them to other sites where we ended up getting crushed out of our own internet homes, so to speak, because you guys didn't want the morons with toxic thought patterns.

I was simply joining a conversation. I didn't realize I had to think everyone but me was a moron with a toxic thought pattern. I'll go try and have a constructive conversation elsewhere.

You guys are the reason those guys persist though (not this sub, but the users who really just want to poke them in the eye as opposed to try and understand them and build a rapport with someone who feels your pain) and I'll just leave.

Epic meltdown, u/collectcallfromanan now take your ball and go home I guess?