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[–]javatimesT since 06 / chicago guy no ketchup on hotdog 12ポイント13ポイント  (6子コメント)

[–]sejhammer26, ftm, aspie, gay at home dad, /r/transparenting 2ポイント3ポイント  (4子コメント)

Eh... to be honest, I've been putting a lot of hours into sewing lately and I've already spent multiple work days worth of time shopping around for the best prices for small orders of specific fabrics, including what is the best stretch fabric for binders. It is not that easy of a question to answer and I know from the past couple weeks that google alone won't help you.

A good resource in cases like that is actually sometimes people who work at JoAnn's (call, though, don't bother going out because their fabric prices and selection aren't going to work for binders and menswear). They can give you more personal expertise a lot faster than what you get from reading forums and books, in my experience. It helps if you can just plain talk to someone who's done DIY binders, especially DIY pullover binders.

So far, in all my searching, fabric.com still ends up being the cheapest place to buy fabric per yard as long as your order is over $35 so you can get that free shipping. Buying fabric is not like buying apparel in terms of selection and competitive pricing.

So overall, I think it was actually a question worth posting about here.

I roll my eyes so hard at people on the internet all the time, but I pick my battles. If I am going to post something that I know is going to be received negatively, I make sure there is a good reason for it, that I am adding to a discussion and helping other people who will see it as a positive turn in the dialogue. At the very least, I am correcting outright wrong information. Generally if you are getting a mild criticism from me via text, there's a chance that I hate you. >.>;; But I see the value in a functioning support space, so I try not to "go there."

EDIT: ;_; also though I am thiiiiis close to leaving reddit forever over that fucking fa****t comment and the "homophobia isn't a big deal" response. I feel like a support space only ever works for me for about 3-5 years before cumulative problems with the cultural climate put me off too much to stay.

[–]javatimesT since 06 / chicago guy no ketchup on hotdog 6ポイント7ポイント  (0子コメント)

well, and i mean, that was the other part of this whole thing: you literally can't just google lycra or spandex and get the appropriate link for the exact product someone is gonna need to make binders. I tried it as a test from the LMGTFY link last night. It took me 25 minutes to find something on amazon that might be about the same material that GC2B uses for their binders. The heavier duty stuff that underworks uses was nowhere to be found.

I have a sewing machine, and i am still binding, so I've thought about trying to make binders before, but now that I found GC2B works better for me than underworks and is somewhat cheaper I plan on just wearing the three that I have until at least January.

I try really hard to not complain about moderating here, but it is not the easiest volunteer position to do (like, this very post and comments on it are getting reported, and I've had to approve comments lol). I do feel like I do a good job, and that includes having to make unpopular judgement calls. I hope the OP doesn't actually leave because I know he is well liked and a valuable contributor. But he has to exercise a bit of restraint.

[–]Ashonym26 | Gay | T 3.20.14 | Top 5.29.15 | Bipolar II | Awkward 0ポイント1ポイント  (2子コメント)

Are you referring to the post a guy made referring to himself as a f word? I'm shocked about the 'homophobia isn't a big deal' response. I didn't see that (probably just didn't check back later or anything). Wow.

[–]sejhammer26, ftm, aspie, gay at home dad, /r/transparenting 0ポイント1ポイント  (1子コメント)

I and most of my gay friends do not use the word because the whole "straight people, stop using it" war like five years ago left a bad taste in everyone's mouth. People in major publications made the "but that's how I talk!" argument like the power of the slur changes when the person using it is ignorant. When someone is reclaiming it as a badge of honor, there is always context to that effect.

[–]Ashonym26 | Gay | T 3.20.14 | Top 5.29.15 | Bipolar II | Awkward 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

You cannot turn a clear slur into normal conversation, IMO.

[–]Ashonym26 | Gay | T 3.20.14 | Top 5.29.15 | Bipolar II | Awkward 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

I'd like to chime in on this.

I feel fairly impartial in this context. I'm able to see both sides of the equation. On the one hand, you feel the comment was unwarranted and, joke or not, was inappropriate. On the other hand, the original post had no indication of distress or otherwise inappropriate contexts that would have made the link comment much worse.

So I can see where the confusion would take place. Thinking about it further, I thought about what if some of us are particularly predisposed to going on the defensive from minor, to some insignificant setbacks or happenstances (IE: Being an anxious person, socially phobic, or other IRL illnesses.). Then I thought about whether it's a personal responsibility to know about these things in yourself and sort of, colloquially "check yourself before you wreck yourself." My personal thought processes determined an equally shared responsibility of understanding between the two, both yourself knowing and trying your best to maintain composure and the person on the other end understanding that this is a possibility and trying to accommodate that.

But that definitely gets more into the territory of handle-me-with-kid-gloves than I'd like it to, regardless of whether it's a reality.

In this case I am completely torn because the comment in question did not seem incredibly distasteful, but the replies did escalate beyond the ordinary.

I'll actually admit this right out, in a recent-ish post I had made I remember you java making a note to me about something, although I forget the context and particular scenario details (right this second - maybe the ignorant term post?) and simply remember it happening. It definitely took a minute to compose myself and be able to understand and respond properly, and I know that it could have been much worse if I wasn't mentally stable at that time, or was legitimately freaking out for whatever reason. In fact, I had a few comments from people that were negative to things I said and even though I understood them, it hit me hard emotionally for a few days and made me shy away. It could have gone much worse, in other words, and I'm glad it didn't. But that took immense emotional effort on my part.

I do feel a one warning only was mildly harsh, considering his history of otherwise supportive comments. I actually have a very similar sardonic nature and must carefully watch where I place it, which does sometimes make it feel like stepping on eggshells but is a small price to pay for an otherwise awesome community to be a part of. I can see the humor in Kotik's reply, but I also see the reading of it.

So, overall, I'm very torn but I do hope that this will be a learning experience for everyone involved (including the readers of this post, as it's educational for what is and isn't acceptable, etc) and I do hope Logan decides to return in the future, as I for one will miss his presence regardless of this one off comment.

[–]LaDyFrEaKkKkK34m 180lbs 5'9" Canada 8ポイント9ポイント  (2子コメント)

You know, you could have just been the bigger man and politely explained yourself and/or said sorry. Like seriously... -.-

[–]Kotik9322 ● MN ● T: 2/15 ● Top: 8/15[S] -2ポイント-1ポイント  (1子コメント)

True, I definitely could've. Buhhht I didn't and the other OP had just freaked on me so I wasn't willing to accept being scolded like a child.

[–]LaDyFrEaKkKkK34m 180lbs 5'9" Canada 3ポイント4ポイント  (0子コメント)

Well, then don't react like one? -.-

I get it though. I've had stuff get under my skin too, but the way I see it: just defend yourself. That's it, that's all. Don't do it out of spite and try not to be overly offended at someone who dislikes the way you respond to things... :$ pppppsssssstttttt perceived butt-hurt

I mean; fuck dude, I get it. Like first hand, ugh, get it! Lol! But I guess this sub is forever doomed to have peeps that are like: I could totally find this answer on google but I wanna make a post on ftm about binders and shit and well fuck! I wanna find bros to talk about sewing with?! Yeah. Probably not gonna have a ton cause I think in general life, most people are like "I have no idea what I'm doing" when it comes to a lot of things and also the: why the fuck would I sew my own shit when it's available at I_Have_Money.com.org.net.

Aww man. That's a lot of fucks in there hahahahahahaha I'm a sailor, what can I say?! But ya, feel you on those. Sometimes they get me o_O when the person doesn't reply to anyone.... Like, DO WE HAVE A TROLL BROS?!?

But hey! I get hated on a lot, waves at mods, for opposing opinions, and I kinda feel like this place was mostly depressing when I first came here..... (No mean to offend anyone but GEEZ!!!!) then I started occasionally posting articles. Tried a few times to just get peeps talking about random shit, but this place feels like /r/ftm_DrPhil or maybe even /r/ftm_JerrySpringer the way peeps tend to gang up. I've also never seen so many hidden karma scores.... Like FU! I don't hide my shit but don't just take my comment the shitty way cause someone hit downvote, ya know? Respond to me. Tell me why it's shitty in a respectful way and we'll debate it. Heck, I may even concede a point or two during this discussion.....

Ok, I totally wanted to say like two sentences....

BAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAAHHAHAHAHAAHAHHA

OK OK, last one: Don't leave. You're out and proud and this sub needs a person like you around! Just breathe in one nostril and out the other....... Just try it man. Guarantee ya feel so dumb and by now you're like: wtf am I mad for? This guy is nuts, but I like his style. :D where I reply: awe shucks! stop it, you!

[–]DamndestDarrius23, T August 2014, local beardo 6ポイント7ポイント  (6子コメント)

I read the context. Instead of trying to see where java was coming from, you got super sassy and abrasive for no good reason. Why escalate something that didn't need to get escalated like that?

[–]Kotik9322 ● MN ● T: 2/15 ● Top: 8/15[S] -5ポイント-4ポイント  (5子コメント)

Because there was no need for him to "Speak officially as a Mod" and get involved in something that was over. I should be able to be "Sassy" if I want to be. Just because he is a mod doesn't mean I have to be afraid of him and for him to reply to that with "Do it again and you'll be banned" was completely uncalled for.

[–]DamndestDarrius23, T August 2014, local beardo 6ポイント7ポイント  (4子コメント)

Being sassy in the wrong time or place can be rude, which breaks the first rule. A lot of us are dealing with insecurity/depression/you name it and a little tact and care is a good idea. And even if you didn't break the rule with your initial post, you sure did with your over the top response to java. Instead of lashing out it might have been a better idea to have a discussion about it.

Note that I'm not telling you to just 'roll over' and accept the mods' judgement without question. There's a better way to go about a disagreement than what happened there.

[–]Kotik9322 ● MN ● T: 2/15 ● Top: 8/15[S] -1ポイント0ポイント  (3子コメント)

I'm sure I could've handled it better but I have seen mods step in like this at the most random times here where I believed that it was simply unnecessary and overstepping their boundaries so it wasn't just this one time that led to the outburst. I cannot remember the certain instances, of course, but threatening to ban someone is serious in terms of the sub since I have seen people get away with far worse than a LMGTFY post without any repercussions from the mods and to step in "Officially as a mod" made me lash out far more than if Java had simply said "Hey dude, can we not have this here?"

[–]javatimesT since 06 / chicago guy no ketchup on hotdog 6ポイント7ポイント  (2子コメント)

marking a response as 'distinguished: speaking officially as a mod' is just a way to say 'mod hat on' without actually dorkily saying 'mod hat on'. I just want to clear that up.

[–]Kotik9322 ● MN ● T: 2/15 ● Top: 8/15[S] -3ポイント-2ポイント  (1子コメント)

To me, it comes off as patronizing and a way to be like "Im the boss, listen here."

I am sorry that I was rude in my response, Java. I know there was a better way to go about it. I hope we can part amicably in the sense that as a person, I have no problem with you. I just find the whole "saying something I dont like will get you banned" thing completely offputting.

[–]javatimesT since 06 / chicago guy no ketchup on hotdog 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

it's not about what I don't like though. There are literal shit tons of posts here that seemingly could be easily googled. People ask questions here because they want responses from other humans.

Modding is a hard job. I could have PM'd you, but then we would have been arguing in private most likely. I could have couched my response more, but I wasn't rude. You could always message mod mail and see what the consensus is--each of us has different availabilities and thus we don't convene to make moderation decisions.

[–]Raptorrocketsupergay, fly little minx 6ポイント7ポイント  (2子コメント)

I'm not sure what you hoped to gain by posting a pity goodbye post.

Reading the context I can see why you'd get a time out. You were sassy and rude to a mod. You can disagree without being sassy. I've been told off a time or two by /u/javatimes and even given a day ban by him. I think no less of him or myself. You should have taken to warning and moved on. Not thrown a tantrum and then posted a pity post.

So sorry you don't feel safe but Java tries. They all try.

Edit: I will add I think your post was originally in good nature and I'd be tempted to post a "google it" response myself to OP. there are a lot of posts id like to say "fucking Internet yo" Buuuuut I dont. Lol

[–]Kotik9322 ● MN ● T: 2/15 ● Top: 8/15[S] -3ポイント-2ポイント  (1子コメント)

Does that sound like a pity goodbye post? All I said was that being banned for speaking my mind isn't a place I'd like to spend my time. The fact that he's a mod doesn't change my opinion of what happened. Im a sassy dude both on and off the internet so to be told "No, bad boy." set me off and then I was threatened with a ban when I said to get off his Mod pedestal and to stop trying to impose rules that don't even exist. The OP on that post told me I shouldn't even be posting on his post since I've had top surgery, but he wasn't reprimanded for freaking out first.

Again, I didn't intend this to be a pity post haha just meant to say bye and give a reason for my leaving.

[–]Raptorrocketsupergay, fly little minx 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

Came off a bit pity. Like, I totally thought your Google response was hilarious. I got that it was a joke. But OP was put off by it which means others might be too. Java has the difficult task of deciding which battles to fight. I felt his initial warning wasn't over the line or too "don't you dare young man"ish. But honestly it seems like you were overly defensive even after you clearly upset the OP. So I don't think he was out of line to tell you to think in the future about your posts.

I don't think you should leave but no one will force you to stay. You've been a cool poster and shit happens. He's not vindictive so I think you'd be able to move on from it if you gave it a go.

Totes your call

[–]Tess__Tickle 2ポイント3ポイント  (3子コメント)

Oh. tough one. i didnt really read the whole context, but I left susansplace because the mods there were insanely immature and bratty. Sometimes they just get on their high horses for whatever reason. I always assume its because they have very little control in their actual lives, so they stomp around their forums and get all excited when they can exert some power. I am NOT saying this is the case with java (dont really remember reading anything by him that seemed out of place in the past - so meh) I think the bottom line is this - If you need the community, then try to stick around and perhaps even attempt to see it from his perspective (and if he is just being desperate then accept that is his personality and do your best to avoid interactions - I am not sure if there is a place where mods can be reported to be held accountable, there wasnt in susans) I personally am completely transitioned and dont have any questions, I am here to give advice, and i was on susans to give advice, so when they decided to threaten a 30 + year old, former soldier with a Masters degree who is completely transitioned, had phalloplasty, top surgery and been on testosterone for 10 years I just lold and walked away. They threatened me because I told this little twat to stop whining and learn to take advice. He was probably about 13 years old. Any way, I guess I just wanted to share that experience with you. There is sometimes internet drama, I think the best thing to do is handle it as maturely as possible, but if you dont really need this community, then I would definitely leave and go outside and play frisbee or some shit. As much as I like reading through the posts, its also a huge time waster. But, remember a part of being a man (really, an adult) is learning to let situations go, even when you know the other person is out of line.

[–]Kotik9322 ● MN ● T: 2/15 ● Top: 8/15[S] -2ポイント-1ポイント  (2子コメント)

I really liked this reply, dude. I also feel kind of bad because I had a radical breast reduction which isn't so easy to find here and so it's a perspective of transition that I could've actually helped some people out with if they were interested. Oh welll, lots of other trans communities haha

[–]transandpans16 | Pre-T | Pansexual 2ポイント3ポイント  (1子コメント)

You do realize it's your choice to leave, right? So technically you could still stay and give your input instead of being immature and complaining about the mods doing their jobs.

[–]Kotik9322 ● MN ● T: 2/15 ● Top: 8/15[S] -3ポイント-2ポイント  (0子コメント)

I do realize it is my choice, yes.

[–]cainyounotRy. 18. ftm. 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

You were asked politely not to respond like that again. No judgements or banning threats. And then you just acted incredibly rude and condescending for some reason, making this space feel less safe for another user. Stop pitying yourself.

[–]prbritAlec/25/Dapperqueer/Pre-errythang 2ポイント3ポイント  (2子コメント)

This is downright silly. The vast majority of us are grown ass men and should all act like it. If someone is threatened with being banned, it should be because they violated a subreddit rule and that's not the case.

"Be polite and practice mutual respect. No personal attacks, insults, or threats."

/u/kotik93 's comment might've been sarcastic or whatever else you want to read into it, since it was literally just a link, but it certainly was not impolite, disrespectful, attacking, insulting, or threatening. The rest of his comments don't fall into those designations either.

[–]Typesetter -1ポイント0ポイント  (1子コメント)

As someone who is made of 80% pure sarcasm, I have to agree. And I get that some people are....sensitive? But there is such a thing as too sensitive. What I actually found -more- disturbing about the whole exchange was the part where the OP in the other thread said something like "you don't even bind anymore why are you even in this thread?" -That, I felt, was actually rude. Can you imagine if someone said something like "Hey, you can't comment on being pre-T because you're already on T". It's deviously exclusionary.

[–]prbritAlec/25/Dapperqueer/Pre-errythang 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

Agreed. That was the one part of the whole thread that really struck me as out of line.

[–]samuelmouse24 NJ on t post top 0ポイント1ポイント  (2子コメント)

I don't know what happened, but we all make mistakes and I don't think you need to leave unless you want to.

[–]Kotik9322 ● MN ● T: 2/15 ● Top: 8/15[S] -5ポイント-4ポイント  (1子コメント)

I do want to. Java posted the context and whether you agree with him or me, I get disturbed when someone uses their power to try and "shut someone up"

[–]samuelmouse24 NJ on t post top 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

Welp, good luck out there in the big bad internet.

[–]azu41j 0ポイント1ポイント  (1子コメント)

Considering I was banned without any warning or word whatsoever over something petty before I think you must be pretty popular with the mod(s)...

[–]Kotik9322 ● MN ● T: 2/15 ● Top: 8/15[S] -2ポイント-1ポイント  (0子コメント)

Bogus, my man. Sorry that happened to you.

[–]prbritAlec/25/Dapperqueer/Pre-errythang 0ポイント1ポイント  (2子コメント)

All that because you used LMGTFY? Yeeeeesh. Best of luck to you man, good on ya for taking care of you.

[–]DamndestDarrius23, T August 2014, local beardo 5ポイント6ポイント  (0子コメント)

Likely not because of that, rather his response to java was kind of pissed off for no reason from what I read.

[–]Kotik9322 ● MN ● T: 2/15 ● Top: 8/15[S] -1ポイント0ポイント  (0子コメント)

Alllll of that, thanks man, have a good transition!

[–]izcisDominic, pre-t, NYC -1ポイント0ポイント  (1子コメント)

Don't go, Kotik! You're a cool guy and I always like your posts. Your college security guard adventures are funny as hell. These subreddit dramas get out of control sometimes, but we just need to step back and take some perspective. It's not that important really, and I think you're a valuable member of the community. For some of us, this is the only trans community we've got, and these subreddit politics are so petty in comparison to the real world lives we're all trying to lead. I hope you'll come back and keep sharing things that make us happy. But if not, best of luck to you. You do seem like a great guy and I hate to lose you. <3

[–]Kotik9322 ● MN ● T: 2/15 ● Top: 8/15[S] -3ポイント-2ポイント  (0子コメント)

Ahh to be frank, this sub has gotten really pissy recently and I just don't wanna be here right now. I'll probs come back when all the crazy has settled down and I can be more .. ermm patient haha

But if you ever want a crazy story, just hit me up!