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[–]TheGreatWolfyBukharinist 46ポイント47ポイント  (6子コメント)

Someone once told me homeless people don't deserve to have shelter because they can't afford it. I don't even think they just lack compassion, I think they don't even view us as human.

[–]ThisIsntProofDemocratic Socialist[S] 16ポイント17ポイント  (1子コメント)

It was strange to me to see first hand, as opposed to reading/hearing of it, such a disregard for human life and putting the dollar before a human being.

[–]clamdever 10ポイント11ポイント  (0子コメント)

It was strange to me to see first hand, as opposed to reading/hearing of it, such a disregard for human life and putting the dollar before a human being.

The danger emanates from the fact that not only do sections of populations hold these beliefs but that those who hold them are all around us, and among us - they are often close friends and family.

I'd say you are at cross paths, OP. It's a lifelong journey, for you will meet these folks again...but this is where you pick a side. And you already seemed to have, so good on you for making the right (left) choice.

[–]gonzoblair 7ポイント8ポイント  (3子コメント)

San Francisco has changed radically in the past few years. Rich folks moving in and displacing poor people who cannot afford the skyrocketing rent and often end up homeless. About a third of the current homeless population in the city used to have homes according to stats.

Actual quotes from /r/SF/ conversation on homeless people:

"It's not displacement, it's people coming here just to be homeless."

"We can't fix these people's problems, and if we don't push back, the city will be overrun with them."

"I'm sorry for your white guilt, but not accepting reality isn't going to lead to your being to help anyone."

"Nobody has a "right" to live in any city."

https://www.reddit.com/r/sanfrancisco/comments/3ksnti/homeless_encampments/cv0vcwq

[–]AGoodWordForOldGil 4ポイント5ポイント  (0子コメント)

"Nobody has a "right" to live in any city."

This bugs me more than anything. The implication is that rights are only for those who can afford them while simultaneously painting the fraudulent picture that the speaker is pro-homeless.

[–]quaxon 1ポイント2ポイント  (1子コメント)

hah, when I read that comment the first thought that came to my mind was 'that sounds like r/sf's tagline!' Nice to see I'm not the only one who noticed, that sub has gotten so fucking toxic since the techie plague.

[–]mittim80Burkina Faso stronk 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

r/losangeles isn't overrun with techies or "STEM-worshipping" to any extent, but whenever anything about the homeless comes up on there, there's this strange, irrational hatred.

There are several chronic homeless people in my neighborhood, and people walking by my place with shopping carts is a regular occurence, so it's not an issue of me "not having to deal with" the homeless. Homeless people are everywhere I look, but I'm not desensitized to it at all.

[–]JediMasterZaoState socialism 27ポイント28ポイント  (4子コメント)

Fearmongering generalisations are about as dangerous as the bourgeoisie. Re-education is the key when it comes to individuals who lack any shred of sympathy for other human beings.

[–]nosewings 8ポイント9ポイント  (2子コメント)

Well, there are a few people who really are legitimately incapable of empathy. But they are fairly rare. Most people who don't exhibit empathy are, like all of us, products of their environments.

[–]JediMasterZaoState socialism 11ポイント12ポイント  (1子コメント)

I completely agree, i am not proposing we try to re-educate complete sociopaths, modern science has tried and failed at that repeatedly. I'm talking about the kind of bourgeois kid who's never known poverty and who lacks perspective and empathy. These, we can rescue from themselves.

[–]skreeranMy cousin Stalin would give us a royal welcome. 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

See, I like rescuing them from themselves in the form of putting them to labor and making them understand firsthand the life of a proletarian.

[–]Sir_HamalotCosmopolitanist and Democratic Socialist 12ポイント13ポイント  (0子コメント)

Exactly! Their no such thing as a bourgeois breed. Desensitised opportunist exist no matter what economic situation they were born in. Some will grow up to make millions as vulture capitalists, some make big cash through organised crimes like trafficking, and some will find a way to exist without harming society.

[–]AprilMariagood old fasioned dirty commie 7ポイント8ポイント  (0子コメント)

Its not the first time any of us have heard something similar. I was giving 2 euro to a homeless woman on a cold frosty evening for a hostel on Williams Street in Limerick once, outside the 2 euro shop, and a posh old woman (looking like a parody of the bourgeois) came up to us, took the coin out of her hand, caught my hand and placed it back in mine and proceeded to give me a lecture about "giving money to these people" and she started shouting into the homeless woman's face. The homeless woman happened to be eastern European, she was also an old woman, and the posh woman told her to fuck off back to her own country, she isn't the responsibility of the Irish people. My mother was with me the same day and my mother ate the posh old lady alive and told her "who exactly does she fucking think she is" etc while i followed the homeless woman to give her back her 2 euro. This homeless woman only asked me for the money directly because we chatted in the street a few times before and she kind of new me, she wasnt a drug addict or anything, but she did suffer a bit of metal illness, so do i so i had a bit of empathy with her, not every homeless person is begging for drugs, in fact most of them arent.

[–]pensivegargoyle 20ポイント21ポイント  (2子コメント)

This guy is obviously a huge dick, but we don't do ourselves any favours by thinking that all wealthy people are cartoon villains or the pre-ghost Ebenezer Scrooge. I won't deny that there are, in fact, a lot of sociopaths in high places but it's not everyone.

[–]thatnerdykid2Syndicalist- Socialist Alternative 5ポイント6ポイント  (4子コメント)

Are you involved in Philly Socialists? We have a meeting tonight!

[–]ThisIsntProofDemocratic Socialist[S] 3ポイント4ポイント  (1子コメント)

Do you all only meet on Tuesdays? I'd love to get involved, but I'm rarely free on Tuesday

[–]thatnerdykid2Syndicalist- Socialist Alternative 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

I can get you information about that, if you have a facebook, there's the facebook page for philly socialists which will have information about events. I assume you're going to Temple, in which case there is an organization developing on campus for you all.

[–]oricthedamned 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

Greetings from a fellow MAARCS member in KWL!

[–]ParisPC07Hampton 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

I wish we could make a group like yours in Boise. I've talked to Tim and he's great.

[–]laserbot 5ポイント6ポイント  (3子コメント)

When did this subreddit turn into a liberal bastion of 'every viewpoint is precious, we just need to reform people who think this way' instead of outrage at the non-ambiguous moral depravity that capitalism encourages and its beneficiaries embrace?

The bourgeoisie are never going to cede their class dominance through compassion or altruism.

So if you just want to spend energy typing out a defense of someone, go defend the working class in one of the reactionary posts on the front page.

[–]TessHKMMLC[🍰] 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

every viewpoint is precious, we just need to reform people who think this way

In 1918?

The bourgeoisie are never going to cede their class dominance through compassion or altruism.

Obviously... that's what revolution is for.

[–]take_the_laplacianliberals get out reeeee 1ポイント2ポイント  (1子コメント)

ever since the mods over at SLS became fully revisionist the liberals have been allowed to run amok here

[–]lovelybone93Castro -2ポイント-1ポイント  (0子コメント)

Not my decision, comrade.

[–]emptynothing 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

You don't even need to get into a humanitarian or morality to see the fallacy in that argument.

There aren't two choices: die or do drugs all day. We can help bring them up to be productive members of society, whether by direct social assistance or a more supportive structure.

[–]bsou1 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

“I mean, I’d rather they all die than sit and do drugs and not work.”

In practical terms the benefit is not having to step over a dead body on the way to work, or deal with them standing in traffic.

I saw a guy in a hospital gown literally dying on the side walk out in Riverside. A burger joint manager had told him to not lie in the shade near the restaurant.

So he was released from the hospital and left to die.

[–]radleft 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

The bourgeois are all sales pitch & no product. Subterfuge, obfuscation, deception, and betrayal, are their tools of the trade.

When you're actually producing something, the numbers gotta be right. I've been in trades where - if you lie, people die.

There's a difference in focus.

I'd like to say that I'm very tired of the wolves and sharks meme for broker/trader types. Wolves and sharks survive through inter-species predation. Brokers/traders survive through intra-species predation, which is more properly defined as cannibalism.

Caveat emptor, taken to it's logical extreme, means - if you blink, we get to eat your children...alive.

We can do better than this.

[–]skreeranMy cousin Stalin would give us a royal welcome. 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

See, this is why we Smert them.