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Edit: This is going to sink into downvote oblivion, which is fine. I'm just glad it hit its target audience.
Kill yourselves.
I was really excited to attend this past weekend's midpoint music festival because I'm a huge fan of independent music. The last straw dropped when my wife and I arrived early at the Woodward Theater to get a good spot to watch Ryley Walker (my highlight of the lineup), so we could really enjoy the show.
The display of blatant disrespect and disparaging narcissism that ensued was enough to make a man kick someone in the throat. About three hundred hipsters, dressed in the most expensive clothes daddy could buy, flooded the theater and began to engage in the loudest idle conversation you could possibly imagine, which was matched only in intensity by its utter lack of value.
This soulless droning went right on through Walker's performance despite pleas from him to shut up. The crowd was so entranced with itself that they completely missed (what I could discern through their mindlessness) an amazing set.
So, after giving myself a day to cool off, I just want to invite you, Over the Rhine Hipster, to pull your head out of your ass and join the rest of the world. Try not being terrible for a day- I promise, you'll feel amazing for it.
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[–]redditsuxbigdixs 19 points20 points21 points  (0 children)
That sucks, I can't believe an artist has to ask that. Sorry that happened. I thought mp was fun, and didn't see much rudeness at all. But fuck people interrupting an artist, that is terrible. I had a blast, chatted with some strangers at Washington park for an hour and met some nice people. I hope this was an isolated incident. I was at the festival and saw nothing of the sort.
Groups in numbers are rude. Hillbillies are rude, bros are rude, punks are rude, hip hop heads are rude. Young people, old people. It's nothing to do with a singular group. Yuppies drive the growth of otr, like bros drive the growth of the banks and whoever wherever else. If you hate them, avoid that part of town or else you're gonna have a bad time.
It's better than otr was 20 years ago, It gives the city a better reputation than being dangerous and they can do this kinda festival. My city being too hip is first world problems at its finest. Though hipsters abandoned otr for Northside long ago.
[–]NumNumLobsterNewport 41 points42 points43 points  (6 children)
we should do this like once a week. This is a fun thread.
You are up next Suburban moms! I am tired of little Madisyn and Abygail putting their hands in the organic seed bins at the whole foods. That blatant display of disrespect and disparaging narcissism ruined my after work out grass cleanse for the last time dammit!
Oh well I'm off to to get my himalayan sea salt peal while you think about what you did!
[–]ashikkinsEastgate 4 points5 points6 points  (0 children)
This... Was the perfect parody of OP's complaint Haha.
[–]StryderBob 4 points5 points6 points  (4 children)
I live in a super whitebread suburban neighborhood. Don't care, great schools...cheap property taxes. I love it here...HOWEVER...I've been compiling a little list in my head of stupid white people names. So far my favorites are Krew and Oaklan (no 'd' )
[–]fightinscot 4 points5 points6 points  (3 children)
Blayze, Blayne, Blaylyn, Mackalynn, Gavinia and Telmslee. Fucking why?
[–]StryderBob 0 points1 point2 points  (0 children)
Oh dude...you're preaching to the choir
[–]pokAtokMilford 0 points1 point2 points  (1 child)
I feel like they threw srabble letters in a bag and pulled out enough at random until the name could be somewhat pronounced.
Or for lack of creativity, they took a common name, ran it through a few different languages on google translate and settled on one exotic enough to show off to their friends.
[–]NumNumLobsterNewport 1 point2 points3 points  (0 children)
i feel bad for appointment setters and receptionists in like 10 years.
"Oh hi, I'd be glad to set that up for you. If I could just get your name? Oh yeah I got it. Now do you spell that with a K or a C? H or no H? Y or I? One S or two? Alright Kryss we'll see you next tuesday!"
[–]chainsaw_chainsawNorwood 98 points99 points100 points  (9 children)
Guy who likes hipster music goes to hipster festival in hipster part of town and complains about hipsters. SMH
[–]covingtonCovington 16 points17 points18 points  (0 children)
To be fair, I'm sure the shows were much quieter back before it was cool.
[–]rutroraggy 12 points13 points14 points  (1 child)
I went to see my favorite Nascar driver and there were all these loud mouth drunks yee hawing and flying confederate flags. WTF?
[–]chainsaw_chainsawNorwood 9 points10 points11 points  (0 children)
Shit, I went to Oktoberfest and there were all these assholes drinking beer and listening to german music. WTF? Kill yourselves German people.
[–]counting_saturn 22 points23 points24 points  (3 children)
Normal guy expects people to act like decent human beings, get blasted on website. Makes sense.
[–]ChasTenenbaum 23 points24 points25 points  (1 child)
Normal people don't typically tell strangers to kill themselves on a website.
[–]counting_saturn 2 points3 points4 points  (0 children)
Touché, salesman.
[–]NeilOhighO[S] comment score below threshold-9 points-8 points-7 points  (1 child)
You'd think I'd learn my lesson.
[–]AndyBrealWest Chester 26 points27 points28 points  (0 children)
Are you 100% sure you're not just more hipster than them? Hipsters hate mainstream but hipster has become mainstream, and therein lies the paradox. Maybe you're like a higher order hipster...a "hipster novus" if you will.
[–]frenchtoasted15 39 points40 points41 points  (4 children)
I get where you're coming from, but it's a music festival, and I think there's something to be said for a festival set vs. a billed show. I played a music festival set yesterday (actually) and there were tons of people talking. I was okay with it, because most importantly, people were there and having a good time. I don't think it's a hipster problem, honestly. Crowd noise is pretty universal unless you're going to see jazz or classical.
You have to think about why people go to festivals vs why they go to a billed show. Nothing frustrates me more than someone who is unwilling to go to a music festival (my own included) because they don't know any of the artists. For me, it's more about having a good time at a loud, public event with a variety of music and discovery. Definitely less about having an intimate show with people who want to hear art, or using it as an opportunity to see your favorite artist. While it IS an opportunity, I think coming into it with the same expectation as a show where 100% of people are paying for that artist is not just a mistake, but totally misguided. Nothing against you, and especially not hipsters haha, it's just marketing.
[–]ochogiltrow 15 points16 points17 points  (0 children)
But if the artist is asking people to shut up then... maybe it was a bit of a problem.
I wasn't there, just playing from what I read.
[–]NeilOhighO[S] 8 points9 points10 points  (0 children)
I appreciate your perspective, thanks for chiming in.
[–]Skepsis93 1 point2 points3 points  (0 children)
In my experiences festivals have different zones. There are usually the hardcore fans in the front and then there are the talkers and at the very back are the people taking breaks and getting drinks, etc. Sucks if everyone is talking though
[–]tgblackDowntown 0 points1 point2 points  (0 children)
There's a pretty clear rule/social norm. If you're sitting down, shut up. If the concert is outdoors/standing with a bar nearby, people are going to socialize and the music is essentially in the background unless you're the people who appreciate it enough to to stand up front by the stage. Bands and concert goers alike should choose their venues by these standards.
[–]epfourteen 29 points30 points31 points  (0 children)
If you can hear people talking over the music playing , it's probably not the type of show I want to be at anyways.
But sucks your show was ruined.
[–]emperor_worm 24 points25 points26 points  (21 children)
TIL that some people confuse hipsters with yuppies.
[–]NumNumLobsterNewport 0 points1 point2 points  (12 children)
I still don't get the difference. Is it just how much money they have?
[–]wheelsno3Oakley 31 points32 points33 points  (8 children)
Yuppie is an old term (as in it originated in the 80s I believe) for "Young Urban Professional" or "YUP"pie.
Hipster is a name for a subculture that revolves around artisanal things, like music, beer, beards and bikes (but as a subculture it is hard to pin down exactly what it is but if they dress like they are out of the civil war and raise their nose at any beer sold in a grocery store you can be pretty sure that's a hipster).
"Yuppie" culture is one of being young, having disposable income, and mostly being selfish. Buying the newest and coolest things to show off. Yuppie culture is about materialism. Not all young professionals are Yuppies, but materialistic selfish young professionals are Yuppies.
"Hipsters" tend to not have much money, or they have daddy's money, as they tend to be into artistic things. But the negative "hipster" culture revolves around feeling superior due to "advanced" taste. The classic line is "you probably haven't heard of it," and that arrogance is what turns people off. I would say not all hipsters are arrogant, but that is where the negative response to the subculture comes from. A lot of hipster stuff is really cool, but some of the people around that culture can be a turn off.
When using "Yuppie" negatively you are speaking about selfish, materialistic, urban Young Professionals. When using "Hipster" negatively you are speaking about arrogant, artisanal, urban hobbyists.
[–]NumNumLobsterNewport 0 points1 point2 points  (7 children)
thanks & to /u/moist_tacos too that makes sense I guess.
It seems like you are defining two subsets of the same type of people though.
Either one thinks they know better than everyone else and seems to be doing a lot to get attention (whether that is dressing in unconventional styles or wearing designer clothes).
It reminds me of the goths vs emo's thing on southpark where everyone keeps getting them confused and both groups get all pissed off that they are SOOOO different.
Whether you are attention whoring by acting better than me because you dress better or because you think you drink better beer would hardly seem to matter. Not that there is anything wrong with dressing nice, or drinking good beer, but its when those activities seem to be done for attention and people won't stfu about them that is annoying to some.
Note i'm pretty tongue in cheek about this entire thread ;) I don't particularly have an issue with hipsters or yuppies. They seem like very similar groups though, even after hearing the differences in them.
[–]moist_tacos 8 points9 points10 points  (3 children)
There’s hippies, yuppies, and then there’s just pretentious people. I don’t think being pretentious is limited to just yuppies and hipsters, they’re just the two biggest classifications of young people. There are plenty of pretentious jocks/sports fans, pretentious nerds, pretentious normcores (they are actually my favorite), etc. of all ages. I don’t think the rate of pretentious yuppies or hipsters is that much greater than any other subculture.
[–]wheelsno3Oakley 1 point2 points3 points  (0 children)
Pretentious, that's the word I was looking for in my response. Both groups are pretentious but for different reasons.
Exactly.
(Although the term Yuppie, at least in its origins, was specifically aimed at selfish, materialistic young people in a derogatory way towards those pretentious people)
[–]NumNumLobsterNewport 1 point2 points3 points  (1 child)
i had to google normcore. that just broke my mind
[–]ChestHairsColumbia-Tusculum 0 points1 point2 points  (0 children)
Yeah.... What the fuck?
[–]Bogangles 1 point2 points3 points  (0 children)
Vamp kids... Sheesh don't even drink coffee or smoke... Burn down the Hot Topic! I'm unground able! South Park hahahahaha always putting a creative twist on things
[–]wheelsno3Oakley 2 points3 points4 points  (1 child)
Well, Yuppie has always been defined more by preppy type attitudes. Jumping on the most popular trends. Driving the newest car, having the newest cell phone, wearing nice suits, top 40 music, basically upgraded fraternity culture.
Hipster is the opposite of that in many ways. Repurposed clothing, bikes over cars, (still having the newest iPhone), and music you've never heard of.
Do the groups have cross over in personality? Of course, they are both urbanites who seek attention through their possessions, and both groups feel superior to others. But the nature of those possessions and the source of the feelings of superiority are from different places.
[–]AndyBrealWest Chester 0 points1 point2 points  (0 children)
Don't forget the subset of hipster, the urban outdoorsman, or "lumbersexual." They are almost always bearded and adorn themselves with flannel, dark jeans and work boots. They appear as though they might live and/or work in a forrest but upon closer inspection you'll notice their jeans are far too tight (and new) for work and their "boots" are made of thin leather that would quickly wear out in any type of work environment. Their hands are also extremely soft and have never experienced work.
[–]moist_tacos 5 points6 points7 points  (0 children)
If we’re talking looks and behavior – a yuppie will be dressed in J Crew and Banana Republic garb, and typically look pretty “fashionable” in the common sense. A hipster will be in lots of black, thrift store finds, jean shorts, etc. Yuppies will be in line at the Eagle for 3 hours, OTR hipsters have never been to the Eagle. A yuppie would have been talking at the Rylie Walker concert, a hipster would have been out back listening to Cathedrals. I don’t think money has to do with it because I know rich hipsters and poor yuppies.
[–]emperor_worm -1 points0 points1 point  (0 children)
Hahahah... I have no idea. My favorite is the "Yuccie" - The Blend of Hipster And Yuppie.
[–]GangsterAssTony 0 points1 point2 points  (0 children)
Back in my day we just called them pussies.
[–]NeilOhighO[S] comment score below threshold-12 points-11 points-10 points  (7 children)
I'll be totally honest, I can't tell the difference.
[–]NumNumLobsterNewport 9 points10 points11 points  (1 child)
yeah this thread is making me feel like i'm so uncool I don't even know which group of cool kids thinks i'm uncool
[–]eightofdiamondsCovington 2 points3 points4 points  (0 children)
Just go with both to be safe.
[–]omeara4pheonixMt. Auburn 2 points3 points4 points  (0 children)
There isn't one, they are all just idiots clinging on to "eclectic" things because they think it makes them seem more "worldly" even though they don't actually like them. At least not enough to, for example, actually listen to the music they claim to like.
[–]emperor_worm 0 points1 point2 points  (3 children)
Yuppie has $$$$. Hipster doesn't. :P
[–]NeilOhighO[S] comment score below threshold-9 points-8 points-7 points  (2 children)
So are the rich children of corporate execs who want to live in a gentrified area considered yuppies, hipsters, or "Yuccie" as mentioned above?
[–]barnosaur 7 points8 points9 points  (1 child)
How can idle conversation drown out a music performance? If that actually happened it's the sound guy's fault
[–]NeilOhighO[S] 4 points5 points6 points  (0 children)
Walker was doing an acoustic set with a drummer and pianist. He's a folk musician with a jazz oriented backing band. His bassist and electric guitarist didn't show up, so it was a pretty quiet set. I totally get it if that's not the type of music people are into, but they need to have their meaningless conversations outside where the Arcade Fire wanna-be band is playing.
[–]monoblueWestwood 8 points9 points10 points  (1 child)
As a card-carrying Hipster (the card is made of artisinal rowan-wood sourced paper, hand calligraphied by an young woman with a Masters of Arts degree and a trust fund), I take offense to this.
No worthwhile hipster would be caught anywhere near OTR. That's where all the Casual Hipsters and Wannabes hang out. All the true hipsters have moved out to Cheviot or Westwood at this point.
Plus, live music? If the artist is popular enough that they're playing Festival shows, they're too popular for us of the Hipster persuasion.
[–]omeara4pheonixMt. Auburn 1 point2 points3 points  (0 children)
As a card-carrying Hipster (the card is made of artisinal rowan-wood sourced paper, hand calligraphied by an young woman with a Masters of Arts degree and a trust fund), I take offense to this.
good
[–]wirecan 9 points10 points11 points  (1 child)
Dagnabbit. I have some of those guys on my lawn, and they won't go away.
[–]saro13Monfort Heights 4 points5 points6 points  (0 children)
Put up a "Protect Religious Freedom" sign
[–]Hip2BeSquare_Newport 25 points26 points27 points  (7 children)
I get that you didn't have a good time and that sucks but hopping on r/cincinnati to make blanket statements while telling a whole sub-culture of people to kill themselves leads me to believe that you aren't very mature. The people at the show were wrong and I totally don't agree with talking during an artists set but you need to realize the world doesn't cater to you. This thread will accomplish nothing, enjoy your fake internet points.
[–]royousOakley -2 points-1 points0 points  (0 children)
Thanks internet police, let's get this subreddit back on topic so we can whine about Cranley, conservative viewpoints, and the suburbs.
[–]NeilOhighO[S] comment score below threshold-10 points-9 points-8 points  (1 child)
I was really just being hyperbolic. I don't actually want anyone to kill themselves, but it's a statement that really expresses great frustration in a concise way. Sorry if I offended.
[–]AndyBrealWest Chester 1 point2 points3 points  (0 children)
People are always offended. I think they enjoy it.
[–]entertainedbygwar -4 points-3 points-2 points  (2 children)
Do you truly think he was being serious with the "kill yourselves" remark? If you take it as sarcastically as it was intended and simply ignore that statement for a moment, the rest of the post was perfectly reasonable.
[–]MyLastThrowaway1 3 points4 points5 points  (0 children)
The rest of the post was just self-fulfilling prophecy about a group of people OP obviously has a problem with. People talk at shows all the time, especially during the openers. It's sucks, but it's definitely not limited to "hipsters"
[–]luftpirate 0 points1 point2 points  (0 children)
I was so triggered.
[–]gonzarroMadisonville -1 points0 points1 point  (0 children)
I think he was taking the Bill Hicks approach.
[–]TheKillerPupaLoveland 7 points8 points9 points  (3 children)
"kill yourself"
Not a fan of hispsters but jesus.
[–]tangalicious 7 points8 points9 points  (2 children)
Thanks, Hipsters But Jesus is the name of my indie cover band.
[–]gonzarroMadisonville 4 points5 points6 points  (1 child)
Dude, I've been a fan of you guys since day -10.
[–]tangalicious 0 points1 point2 points  (0 children)
That's a relief! It's hard when your front man, drummer, and base player are the same guy-that and the Butt Jesus jokes...
[–]Blumpkin_RangerHyde Park 11 points12 points13 points  (0 children)
They were being disrespectful and narcissistic before it was cool.
[–]moist_tacos 45 points46 points47 points  (28 children)
The only thing more self-entitled, annoying, and childish than being rude and loud during a show is coming to Reddit and making a long-winded, passive aggressive post about it.
[–]entertainedbygwar 15 points16 points17 points  (5 children)
Venting on reddit and actually addressing the folks you are venting about is probably the best way to have a conversation that an average person has access to. There's a good chance some hipsters might see the post and reflect on it. There's a chance for open dialog.
I can't figure out why you'd make the statement you did. Either you don't understand open dialog and the potential for it that reddit provides or you're not happy that reddit is being used for something other than kitten pictures and the popular meme of the day.
As always, if you don't like the thread you don't have to participate!
[–]QueenCityBuccoPendleton 24 points25 points26 points  (4 children)
Yes, posts that begin with "kill yourself" generally encourage open dialog and promote self reflection.
[–]entertainedbygwar 4 points5 points6 points  (3 children)
The facts disagree: There are 96 replies and it's currently top of /r/cincinnati.
It's a single obviously sarcastic statement. It's definitely harsh, but if you're anywhere near adulthood you should know how to ignore exactly that type of statement and skip to the stuff that matters.
[–]QueenCityBuccoPendleton 2 points3 points4 points  (2 children)
Just because something garners response does not mean that it invites open or thoughtful dialogue. By starting off a discussion by telling your target audience to kill themselves, OP likely has turned off even the most reasonably listeners. I'm not sure why you think someone is acting childish by being turned off by a post like this.
[–]entertainedbygwar -4 points-3 points-2 points  (1 child)
Just because something garners response does not mean that it invites open or thoughtful dialogue.
Just because objects fall doesn't mean there is gravity. Wait, yes it does.
[–]dirtiest_druMariemont 1 point2 points3 points  (0 children)
Just because objects fall doesn't mean there is gravity. Wait, yes it does.
Depending on your perspective, other forces could be in play to make an object fall. For example, say you're spinning a bucket of water so fast that the water stays in the bucket, and lets say there is a fish swimming in that bucket. If the fish jumps out of the water, centripetal force will be pulling the fish back into the water, from the fish's point of view, it is falling. Not every falling object is the result of gravity.
[–]AndyBrealWest Chester 3 points4 points5 points  (2 children)
So you're bitching about his bitching?
[–]moist_tacos 0 points1 point2 points  (1 child)
Yes, I'm addressing the problem at its source, rather than waiting until Wednesday to post a whiny complaint about it in some vaguely related place.
[–]AndyBrealWest Chester 2 points3 points4 points  (0 children)
And you've managed to sound more bitchy and irritated than him. Dude vented, get over it. Or keep down voting me, I don't care.
[–]sweettanschlong69 2 points3 points4 points  (3 children)
Totally disagree with you. Sometimes you just need to vent. You're probably one of the hipsters he's complaining about.
[–]moist_tacos 3 points4 points5 points  (2 children)
Sometimes you need to just turn around and ask a loud annoying person to be quiet. Rarely do you need to go online anonymously and tell thousands of people to kill themselves, unless you're a giant sourpuss.
[–]sweettanschlong69 0 points1 point2 points  (1 child)
Actually yeah you're right. Telling a shitload of people to kill themselves is pretty fucked up.
Unless you're telling ISIS that. That's okay.
[–]moist_tacos -2 points-1 points0 points  (0 children)
Even if it's hyperbole, it's still intended to troll and start a flame war. I wouldn't be surprised if this entire story is made up.
[–]PCjr 0 points1 point2 points  (0 children)
Nah, I didn't pay a nickel for my reddit experience, and it's very easy to ignore the rudeness and noise here.
[–]NeilOhighO[S] comment score below threshold-33 points-32 points-31 points  (13 children)
Hi hipster. I should also let you know that I personally confronted a few of your zombie friends while at the show. Have a nice day and follow my advice. You'll feel better.
[–]moist_tacos 15 points16 points17 points  (12 children)
I don’t know anyone that went to that show, to be honest I’ve never heard of the guy, which really makes you seem like the hipster, tough guy.
[–]NeilOhighO[S] comment score below threshold-18 points-17 points-16 points  (11 children)
Demanding respect for an artist at a concert isn't being tough, it's something I shouldn't have to do.
[–]Yosefu_G 4 points5 points6 points  (9 children)
You sound like an old man complaining about society. Don't go to OTR, move away. You were at a concert, not a book reading in the library. People are going to talk. Get over it dude
[–]NeilOhighO[S] comment score below threshold-21 points-20 points-19 points  (8 children)
You are the problem.
[–]Yosefu_G 12 points13 points14 points  (7 children)
You have a problem.
[–]NeilOhighO[S] comment score below threshold-14 points-13 points-12 points  (6 children)
I completely agree, which is why I wanted to talk about it. You're stating the obvious.
[–]luseferr -2 points-1 points0 points  (0 children)
AHHHHHHHH LOUD NOISES!!!!
[–]Yosefu_G -2 points-1 points0 points  (1 child)
Okay good! At least you recognize its YOUR problem and not everyone else around you.
[–]NeilOhighO[S] comment score below threshold-9 points-8 points-7 points  (0 children)
I can only invite you to soak in that logic for a bit. I don't know what else to say.
[–]DaffyMalYinkleYankleNorthside -4 points-3 points-2 points  (1 child)
Must have been too much of a pussy to talk to anyone at the show in person eh?
[–]NeilOhighO[S] comment score below threshold-12 points-11 points-10 points  (0 children)
Wow, do you kiss your helicopter mom with that mouth?
[–]moist_tacos 1 point2 points3 points  (0 children)
I wasn't implying you were actually tough, I was using it sarcastically.
Everywhere I went was great, the exception was a couple of drunk yuppies at Iron and Wine who kept getting shushed.
[–]cincyfan04Florence 13 points14 points15 points  (6 children)
Let me add to that: I think it's a Cincinnati problem.
I have gone to quite a few shows in the last two years and I've noticed an increasing number of adults (from 18 to 50) that just want to gab during the entire show.
I saw a small show at Madison (Red Wanting Blue) and the adults (30-50 years old) couldn't shut up. The band asked them to quiet down and even stopped a song and just waited. The weird part was that they all knew the words to the songs! They just couldn't stay sober enough (on a Tuesday) to listen to the band in an intimate venue. And some of them had the nerve to tell people to be quiet even though they were the ones yelling in each others' ears. Very frustrating.
On a bigger scale, at Bunbury, a few major bands really had contempt towards the crowd. The Decemberists were apparently just background music to the best conversation people were having. The band didn't really engage after they figured that out and started focusing on just playing. And Father John Misty, during an emotional rendition of "Bored in the USA," threw his hand up and said "Are you even listening?"
I wish I could do a PSA about it before each concert I go to but god damn, narcissism is taking over and people won't shut up.
[–]LandlockedPirateLoveland 19 points20 points21 points  (1 child)
It's not a cincy problem, it's more like an american problem. "I'm just here for the selfie on instagram/periscope/twitter/fb/whatthefuckever"
[–]abcbriDowntown 5 points6 points7 points  (0 children)
I agree with this. It's more about capturing the moment to share instead of just BEING in the moment. The last hipster band I saw, I guess, was Stars, and the crowd was great in Oakley.
[–]Munzo 1 point2 points3 points  (0 children)
It is a Cincinnati problem. I've been going to a mix of shows at different venue's for years and its the same all over town. Everyone talks over the band. This is the only city I've ever experienced this problem in.
[–]NeilOhighO[S] 0 points1 point2 points  (2 children)
I would assume that people will just stop booking shows at these venues. If you try to think about it from the performer's perspective, it has to be next to impossible to stand up there and play through that nonsense.
[–]cincyfan04Florence 6 points7 points8 points  (1 child)
That scares the hell out of me. These are great bands with better music than we ever get in this area. I don't want only country and jock rock bands to tour through here.
[–]moist_tacos 10 points11 points12 points  (0 children)
MPMF has been consistently good for over a decade. MOTR, Woodward, Madison, Southgate, etc. all have very good music all the time. Cincinnati’s not going to be missing out on anything, despite this guy’s panties being all in a bundle.
[–]Ben182TX 19 points20 points21 points  (16 children)
The problem is ... They're hipsters. They only care about one thing...themselves.
[–]janedoe2893 5 points6 points7 points  (15 children)
Then they have baby Clementine and Atticus -- and become the most helicopter of parents.
[–]revzblovePendleton 9 points10 points11 points  (12 children)
By then they've moved to Oakley though.
[–]NumNumLobsterNewport 16 points17 points18 points  (11 children)
By then they've moved to Near Hyde Park though.
[–]abcbriDowntown 5 points6 points7 points  (2 children)
And they WILL wait two hours for a table at Sleepy Bee.
[–]RedDeckWins 1 point2 points3 points  (1 child)
Lol I ran past Sleepy Bee yesterday and there were more people waiting outside than could fit inside.
[–]CBARKLEYOakley 1 point2 points3 points  (0 children)
I'm amazed more don't wander to ToB now. I haven't been back to sleepy bee since tob opened.
[–]CBARKLEYOakley 2 points3 points4 points  (0 children)
Woah woah. I'm in Oakley proper and proud. Get that near Hyde park shit outta here.
[–]SwiftGraphicsWallace Woods 2 points3 points4 points  (6 children)
By then they've moved to Near Hyde Park though.
LOL. I've never read anything more true. I lived in Hyde Park and it's the most self-centered place I've been so far other than The West End.
[–]TravtheCoachMason 2 points3 points4 points  (2 children)
You haven't been to Mason.
[–]SwiftGraphicsWallace Woods 1 point2 points3 points  (1 child)
In Mason, the roads are wider and the subdivisions are laid out with cars in mind, whereas the closer to the urban core you get, things were designed for horses and street cars.
I think part of the frustration people have in areas like Hyde Park is due to the modernization of transportation without the underlying infrastructure changing much. Observatory and Erie between Madison and Delta are a nightmare during rush hour, and people can be cruel towards their fellow man.
[–]serrathja 1 point2 points3 points  (0 children)
Can we talk knocking 4 lane roads down to 2 lane with bicycle lanes for a moment? :(
[–]AndyBrealWest Chester -2 points-1 points0 points  (2 children)
Why did you move there? I have one pretentious frenemy that always suggests going to Hyde Park so we can get something of mediocre quality but wait a long time and over pay for it.
[–]SwiftGraphicsWallace Woods 0 points1 point2 points  (1 child)
Why did you move there?
I worked in the Rookwood Tower office building.
[–]AndyBrealWest Chester 0 points1 point2 points  (0 children)
I see. I also see I seem to have offended at least two people with my Hyde Park observations. Oh well.
[–]Ben182TX 3 points4 points5 points  (0 children)
What's said is this is true. I know hipster parents and they all give their kids hipster names. The worst part is they just use their kids as "hipster accessories" for photos, and then complain about normal things a normal parent has no issue with. All the while they pass their child off to whichever relative will take them so they can continue their hipster lifestyle and gloat about how they are responsible parents and life is "so hard" now.
Moral of the story: Hipster parents are awful parents.
[–]bryondouglasNorthern Kentucky 0 points1 point2 points  (0 children)
Jesus fucking christ I have a friend with two kids both named that. Hilarious!!!!
[–]SwiftGraphicsWallace Woods 8 points9 points10 points  (2 children)
I'm 6'4" and I've been physically bumped out of the way at the bar by the same types OP is talking about. Scrawny buttercups, at that. They fuss over the best beard oil and which Vine Street restaurant has the most authentic soul food from the cultures they deported during gentrification. The hubris is amazing, considering the possible outcome of treating someone twice your size this way.
Recently I read an article about how the lack of real consequences and absentee parents has lead to Millennials acting this way more often than not. It's not a hipster thing or a yuppie thing or a scenester thing, it's a Millennial thing. I don't condone it, but I'm a few years older (Early Generation Y) and when I was in my early 20s if I bumped someone out of the way I would certainly be taken outside to learn a lesson. The author argues that he's bringing back chivalry codes that allow legal engagement in physical battle. While diplomacy is and should always be the goal, and simply walking away is advised, for the health of our society one must wonder what the benefits would be if some education at the school of hard knocks would happen when confronted with behavior that goes well beyond the scope of merely annoying others by speaking loudly during a concert. It's not like you can feasibly talk sense into a guy who has never had to earn or fight for anything in his life and is on his ninth $7 can of overrated local pale ale.
My sincere advise: Pray for the people who annoy you the most, and find a way to love them.
[–]pokAtokMilford 1 point2 points3 points  (1 child)
which Vine Street restaurant has the most authentic soul food from the cultures they deported during gentrification
I'm dying right now!
[–]SwiftGraphicsWallace Woods 1 point2 points3 points  (0 children)
$10 hot dogs
$8 "knife and fork" Sloppy Joes
$9 Spicy Chicken with Cole Slaw
$6 Side of Southern Greens
$12 ribs.
The gentrifiers seized the land, coopted the food, displaced the culture and replaced it with dudes named Troy, Tanner, and Cody who can't wait for Sufjan Stevens' next EP to drop. :P No one can say it isn't better in OTR today than it was before the gentrification. That's for sure... But, it isn't immune to criticism. :)
[–]JimJonesSodaCovington 3 points4 points5 points  (0 children)
I feel you. The loud-talking, self-absorbed privileged kids have made their way to the punk and metal shows too, but thankfully they are drowned out by screeching guitar feedback and thundering bass so that the only possible way to communicate is drink more beer and dance.
When their "personal brand" has to compete with "wall of angry sound" you'll find most of them outside chain smoking vaping and talking about how this band isn't as good as x band was back in a day before they were born, as if they were nostalgic for a time they never knew (a further enhancement of their "brand" I suppose).
What happened to the shoe-gaze kids of yesteryear? At least they were quiet.
[–]yungdumpsterboii 4 points5 points6 points  (5 children)
these are the turds who pay 900 bucks for a one bedroom apt. and comment on how "authentic" and "real" the neighborhood vibe is.
[–]SwiftGraphicsWallace Woods 1 point2 points3 points  (1 child)
The Banks is like $1300 for a one bedroom last I looked. Some Vine Street loft apartments are 3K per month. Deep pockets in those "coffee washed local cotton aged denim lacks."
[–]NumNumLobsterNewport 2 points3 points4 points  (0 children)
1500-1800 for a 1 bd at the banks now
[–]Zosyn 0 points1 point2 points  (1 child)
900 bucks for a 1 bedroom apartment is normal pricing for any decent apartment near cool shit.
I mean, you could get a 2 bedroom in milford for $650, but.... then you're in fucking milford.
[–]NumNumLobsterNewport 0 points1 point2 points  (0 children)
I was kind of surprised the other day they are getting $1100 (starting) 1 bd in Newport on Monmouth Row. I guess its how you define near cool shit but yeah the new rentals pretty much anywhere in the region are getting crazy rents. It'll be interesting to see how they hold up when they aren't the new thing and there is some more supply. Not so much for the banks, but for a lot of these locations there is a large gap between the newer properties and older ones.
Even for the banks I bet you can get a lot more for your money if you go into the cbd a touch. Or lytle
[–]berserkr1979 0 points1 point2 points  (0 children)
I'm in the process of interviewing for a job in Chicago and I was vetting neighborhoods to live in and MY DEAR GOD there are apartments on Milwaukee Ave going for just shy of $5,000 a MONTH!
Then I found a 400 square foot studio with a walk-in closet in Hyde Park for $825 a month with utilities included and no security deposit? Sign my ass up! Compared to Logan Square and some other neighborhoods that's a steal.
There are three Thai restaurants and a comic shop within 2 blocks. I think I'm in some sort of nerd heaven!
[–]hazfat 2 points3 points4 points  (0 children)
I, too, have a problem when going to shows and dealing with people who are so self-interested that they ruin the show for everyone else. This is a "people" problem, not a "hipster" problem, however.
[–]Grundle_Poacher 4 points5 points6 points  (0 children)
You sound like full on hipster by the way.
[–]ochogiltrow 2 points3 points4 points  (0 children)
Hipster- Someone that goes out of their way to be different and enjoys being difficult to everyone around them, including themselves.
Normal- enjoying whatever the hell you like bc you like it. Not caring what everyone else is wearing/doing/drinking/eating.
[–]Blumpkin_RangerHyde Park 3 points4 points5 points  (7 children)
So a hipster bartender was referring to every drink I got as "the truth"....what the hell does that mean?
[–]NumNumLobsterNewport 3 points4 points5 points  (6 children)
maybe you couldn't handle your liquor?
[–]Blumpkin_RangerHyde Park 4 points5 points6 points  (4 children)
No, that wasn't it. It was more like, "Good choice ordering ______, it is the truth".
[–]moist_tacos 10 points11 points12 points  (0 children)
Are you sure you weren't just ordering Rhinegeist Truth and the guy was just telling you the name of the beer?
"Good choice ordering this beer, it is the Truth" (literally)
[–]JimJonesSodaCovington 2 points3 points4 points  (2 children)
By context I'm going to guess synonymous with "legit", "choice", "baller", "the shit", "og", "awesome", "tits", "premiere", "epitome", "best in show", "bees knees", "cat's pajamas"...
[–]gonzarroMadisonville 0 points1 point2 points  (1 child)
My synonym of choice in that respect has been and always will be "ginchy!".
[–]JimJonesSodaCovington 0 points1 point2 points  (0 children)
Nice. Also another synonym :)
[–]Stouts 2 points3 points4 points  (0 children)
Ain't that the truth.
[–]seanmg 0 points1 point2 points  (0 children)
Both sides of this argument are why I left Cincinnati. Otherwise it's a great city and I love coming back to visit it.
[–]DaffyMalYinkleYankleNorthside -1 points0 points1 point  (0 children)
Whatever you say buddy.
[–]NumNumLobsterNewport -1 points0 points1 point  (6 children)
but dude they have like salmon shirts and they love chicken and waffles and OMG there is a place that has tacos they know about that no one else knows about! You should be cool like them and so different and check out some of the cool stuff no one knows about. You only may have to wait a few hours all those places are always packed....
[–]moist_tacos 9 points10 points11 points  (1 child)
I think you're talking about yuppies. You automatically lose your hipster license if you acquire salmon colored shorts.
[–]NumNumLobsterNewport 5 points6 points7 points  (0 children)
i feel like there must be a good will loophole or its cool if you are being ironic loophole in there somewhere
[–]abcbriDowntown 2 points3 points4 points  (0 children)
Thank goodness there are other locations of Taste of Belgium now or I'd never get my fix.
[–]all_about_the_pickle 2 points3 points4 points  (2 children)
Alright now, you wait a damn minute. Chicken and waffles have nothing to do with this so please do not lump them in with this argument. Now I am hungry for chicken and waffles and the best I can do right now is hotcackes and chicken nuggets from McDonalds.
[–]SuperiorRobot 0 points1 point2 points  (1 child)
You would have to get your hotcakes at 10:25 then have them get cold while waiting for nuggets.
[–]all_about_the_pickle 0 points1 point2 points  (0 children)
Not sure if they still do or not, but there are a few McDonalds that sell hotcakes all day long. YMMV, but the one in Landen did at least up until a few months ago, they may still I haven't tried it recently. Well shit...this does sound awful hipstery.....you have to know which Mcdonalds to go to......
[–]ProfBatman -2 points-1 points0 points  (0 children)
Go home, pops.
[–]skrowl 0 points1 point2 points  (0 children)
Isn't "OTR" and "Hipster" kind of redundant? If you're talking about people who frequent OTR, you don't need to specify hipster. It's assumed.
[–]uncleBING0 -2 points-1 points0 points  (4 children)
This is a general Cincinnati issue. No other city talks over the music act playing. It is why I avoid seeing shows here now and avoid MPMF and attend festivals elsewhere. We are the worst crowds no matter the venue or act for this reason alone.
[–]MyLastThrowaway1 7 points8 points9 points  (0 children)
Simply not true from my experience. There will always be a certain number of people at a show that will be talking/too drunk/only there for one act, etc. Not a Cincinnati thing.
[–]Bogangles 3 points4 points5 points  (1 child)
It's funny you mention.... I've been to a number of shows around here and have had quite a few times where everyone around me talking was killing my vibes a bit. Sometimes I'm up front and it's so loud I can't really tell. The worst I experienced was at incubus in the pavilion... Couldn't believe all the talking!
[–]uncleBING0 0 points1 point2 points  (0 children)
Yup even at Riverbend for shows that people pay $50+ for they will sit there and talk to each other. Went to a show a few weeks back in Indy and everyone was super into it and singing along, cheering, and having a great time dancing.
[–]luseferr 0 points1 point2 points  (0 children)
It's probably dependent on the scene. I know I've been to a bunch of punk shows and as long as it's not just some local bands at Blue Rock Tavern the energy and attention has been there.
The only time I've seen utter disrespect for a band (besides at Blue Rock) has been at Riverbend when All Time Low opened for KISS. Which honestly dosnt suprise me due to the fact that 1. That band combination was even a bad idea on paper. And 2. Do you really expect a bunch of KISS fans to really care about ATL when even the people who came specifically for ATL didn't even care about ATL?
[–]Purp 0 points1 point2 points  (0 children)
Wait what was the problem? Some people talked at a festival? If only they were as un-terrible as the person judging them by the clothes they wore...
[–]NeilOhighO[S] comment score below threshold-6 points-5 points-4 points  (7 children)
I've never seen a bigger group of people with such a fascination with soul-crushing vanity, yet they lack any substance. How can something so useless be so infatuated with itself. Does not compute.
[–]StryderBob 0 points1 point2 points  (6 children)
You've just described a majority of early 20-something millennials.
[–]Shake25 12 points13 points14 points  (5 children)
and every generation when they are in their 20's....
[–]mburke6Colerain 1 point2 points3 points  (1 child)
My generation had substance. Except the Yuppies, of course.
[–]omeara4pheonixMt. Auburn 2 points3 points4 points  (0 children)
No they didn't
[–]StryderBob -1 points0 points1 point  (2 children)
For the most part yes!
[–]Shake25 1 point2 points3 points  (1 child)
Millennials aren't the problem it's the last generation starting to complain about change.
[–]StryderBob 3 points4 points5 points  (0 children)
Get off my lawn...
*shakes 40 year old fist*
[–]HoagyWanKenobi -1 points0 points1 point  (0 children)
Well said.
[–]wardsacAnderson -1 points0 points1 point  (0 children)
Preach.
[–]spacehorse13 comment score below threshold-8 points-7 points-6 points  (0 children)
this is sad and so are you. what depressingly divisive ramblings. people need not derive self worth from shitting on people they don't know or understand. I feel like I just watched a skit from portlandia or something. get a life or a radio or a hobby, maybe stop worrying about what hip kids are doing. but at the very least stop giving advice. there are a lot of people who don't appreciate that kind of hyperbole.
[–]NeilOhighO[S] comment score below threshold-15 points-14 points-13 points  (3 children)
This thread seems to be dredging up a lot of people's insecurities. It's pretty clear why, however, I'd love for one of the people I'm addressing here to explain why their behavior is justified.
[–]chainsaw_chainsawNorwood 8 points9 points10 points  (2 children)
I was one of the people there. I remember seeing you at Riley Walker. You were so upset you were crying and your wife was wiping your nose. Once she gave you your binky you seemed to calm down though.
[–]omeara4pheonixMt. Auburn 3 points4 points5 points  (0 children)
found the hipster
[–]NeilOhighO[S] comment score below threshold-8 points-7 points-6 points  (0 children)
Glad I hit a nerve. Edit: And if you were actually there, STFU at concerts, is all I'm saying.
[–]VetMichael -2 points-1 points0 points  (0 children)
You may be asking for a little more than they can give. But goo don you for that.
[–]5chu1t3Westwood comment score below threshold-7 points-6 points-5 points  (8 children)
There aren't 300 hipsters that live in OTR. They are from else where in the city. If you don't like OTR, go some where else and you won't have to get upset.
[–]entertainedbygwar 0 points1 point2 points  (4 children)
You can find 300 hipsters any given evening on Vine St from Central to 14th.
[–]moist_tacos 5 points6 points7 points  (0 children)
The term "hipster" has lost all meaning if you think that's true. If you would have said Main Street, then just maybe it would have made sense. Vine Street is a bunch of guys in salmon shorts and polos, and girls in J Crew dresses.
[–]5chu1t3Westwood -1 points0 points1 point  (2 children)
I agree. But if someone lives in Kenwood and is a hipster, are they an OTR Hipster? I think this whole idea of the OTR Hipsters came and went with the cheap rent.
[–]entertainedbygwar -2 points-1 points0 points  (1 child)
What the living hell are you talking about? Hipsters congregate in OTR and hipsters allegedly ruined a concert in OTR so it doesn't matter a damn bit where they go home to sleep at night.
[–]5chu1t3Westwood 0 points1 point2 points  (0 children)
I don't know why you are so hostile.
[–]OhioDuran -2 points-1 points0 points  (2 children)
Are you kidding?
[–]5chu1t3Westwood 1 point2 points3 points  (0 children)
Seems crazy to say, but it's really noticeable on an event weekend. Most of the people who are hanging in OTR do not live there. It's too expensive. Tons of people have this fantasy of these trust fund babies whose parents are paying rent for their tattooish neckbeard son. Not true. Maybe a handful of them. The people who can afford to live there aren't going to Belle and Sebastian or Ryley Walker (whoever that is..) It's just like when it was a shit ghetto. The whole sentiment of the riots was "they're destroying their own neighborhood." It was kids from Westwood, Walnut Hills and Clifton that would go downtown and get wild.
[–]ochogiltrow -3 points-2 points-1 points  (0 children)
Yea, it's more like 3 billion.
[–]AuchdasspielCovington comment score below threshold-6 points-5 points-4 points  (0 children)
I don't trust people that constantly have something to prove
[–]DaffyMalYinkleYankleNorthside comment score below threshold-7 points-6 points-5 points  (0 children)
LETS CONTINUE TO GENERALIZE LARGE GROUPS OF INDIVIDUALS. HIPSTER IS THE NEW BLACK!!!
[–]hotcity -1 points0 points1 point  (0 children)
The only reason white people like you are living here is because I settled this fucking neighborhood for you.
[–]lucius_pixel comment score below threshold-15 points-14 points-13 points  (1 child)
for real you ain a hipster unless you leave someone with that feeling at least once a day ONCE A DAY in your daily life
like my first thought about reading your headline was
this is going to be good
i wasn't surprised but i was surprised by how succinctly you put the thought
like there is math to the hipsters or something that a mathematician could flush out or something
like
that's what hipsters do
they live their lives in such a way
that people just hate them on a visceral cultural level
like a hipster is a type of person
that just
i don't know
i just notice
hipsters are hated
i don't know much about them
but i know they are hated
like they are the cool kids in the suburbs but in the city they aren't capable of doing enough to get that heart to them ...
like if the hipsters would just move to the suburbs at the age of 13
they would probably end up being really cool
like a hipster might be a kid that needs some suburb in them to flesh them out
like i could have been mistaken for a hipster but i played a lot of sports
like
i don't know
hipsters
who doesn't hate their own definition of a hipster
[–]bassistwanted 19 points20 points21 points  (0 children)
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