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[–]TheObstruction 29ポイント30ポイント  (10子コメント)

We aren't supposed to advance, that's the plan.

[–]StoicGentleman 7ポイント8ポイント  (9子コメント)

if everyone advances, then nobody advances. Some must profit off others, that is the way of capitalism.

[–]peesteam 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

He has spoken.

[–]Fu_Man_Chu -1ポイント0ポイント  (1子コメント)

A rising tide lifts all ships my friend. What you are describing is unchecked, corrupt capitalism. True capitalism actually works.

[–]asterysk 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

That only helps people who own ships.

[–]ronpaulfan69 -2ポイント-1ポイント  (5子コメント)

Some must profit off others, that is the way of capitalism.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jbkSRLYSojo

[–]aspensmonster 4ポイント5ポイント  (4子コメント)

That video said nothing about how global income and life expectancy have risen over time, merely that it has occurred.

[–]ronpaulfan69 0ポイント1ポイント  (3子コメント)

It said that global income and life expectancy has risen for everyone.

[–]aspensmonster 3ポイント4ポイント  (2子コメント)

Yes. But it does not explain how. It makes no case for claiming that capitalism is responsible for the upward trends in income and life expectancy.

Perhaps your complaint was in /u/StoicGentleman's "some must profit off others" comment, which this video also does not counter or even address.

[–]ronpaulfan69 -1ポイント0ポイント  (1子コメント)

/u/StoicGentleman said:

if everyone advances, then nobody advances.

But in modern history everyone did advance.

[–]SuramKale 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

Bullshit. People live longer. And work longer. With less, and less sense of worth.

How is this advancement? Unless we're advancing into becoming an ant colony.

[–]SorceressFane 28ポイント29ポイント  (1子コメント)

This reminds me of when I was in college and our professor was ranting about "kids these days who want everything handed to them and complain about student loans and cost of tuition." He then proceeds to explain how in the 60's he payed for his college with his summer job and a $500 scholarship.

[–]tinewashere 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

when he's 80 and no one's there to wipe his butt because everyone's busy working just to make a living and can't even afford kids, joke's on him

[–]odoroustobacco 13ポイント14ポイント  (2子コメント)

Storm is already here.

[–]carloscarlson 4ポイント5ポイント  (1子コメント)

It might get a lot worse

[–]SuramKale 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

Old Charlie stole the handle.

[–]HuzakkahCollecting Unemployment 13ポイント14ポイント  (1子コメント)

As someone else said on here, $10 then is equal to $36.55 now. Holy crap. The thing is though, it's pretty common now to make only $10/hr and everything is so expensive.

Even since the 90s... When I was a kid (say 1997ish), my mom was making $25/hr ($37.12 now). Today, doing the exact same job, she only makes $17.50.

[–]SoundOfDrums 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

Yeah, the money's being funneled to other countries and the high end of earners.

Good example of profits going overseas: The profit margin for overseas auto dealers in the US has shrunk drastically. By profit margin, I don't mean the selling price, I mean the difference between what they buy it for and the MSRP.

This trend is also happening in the electronics and appliance market. Lots of electronics/appliance companies are branching out into furniture, as it still retains a high markup potential. Hell, Samsung TV prices are set by the manufacturer. Lots of times there's simply not much profit left for US businesses if they want to sell the product.

[–]MrB0mbastic 10ポイント11ポイント  (14子コメント)

Any info on this "storm is coming" group?

All I could find was a facebook page and that doesn't feel like it's worth anything. Fuck facebook is the last place for a page like this.

[–]ronpaulfan69 0ポイント1ポイント  (11子コメント)

Any info on this "storm is coming" group?

https://www.stormfront.org/forum/t421876/

[–]MrB0mbastic -2ポイント-1ポイント  (10子コメント)

You know what fuck it.

WHITE POWER BROTHER, WHITE POWER!

[–]Hoodwink 7ポイント8ポイント  (9子コメント)

That's kinda what happens. In Greece, the Nazi party got a bunch of votes because they were the only ones who fought for the independence of the country from foreign banks / debt.

[–]SuramKale 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

To be fair they just co-opted the strong anarchist element who had no ambitions to political will.

All this really shows is one solid duh huh: if people know the system is broke they will seek out a way to fix things. They will listen to people who seem to know something and have a plan.

It says nothing about how smart or moral these frustrated people are and nothing about how far a human is willing to delude themselves to feed and care for their children.

[–]MrB0mbastic -2ポイント-1ポイント  (7子コメント)

I've read a bit about the Nazi party and their side of the story.

What bothers me most is that they say the jews where starving because the allies blew up the supply lines to the camps. History is written by the winners. I really am not sure who was the bad guy any more.

All I know is that I'm still one of the good guys looking for the truth.

[–]BadnewzSHO 9ポイント10ポイント  (3子コメント)

The cutting off of the food, along with the other supplies needed to wage a war, was an unintended consequence of a necessary plan to halt Germany's war machine. If the inmates of the death camps were starving due to the actions of the Allies, it cannot be forgotten that they were placed intentionally in those camps with the sole purpose of being exterminated.

There is no ambiguity about who the bad guys were.

[–]joneSee 5ポイント6ポイント  (2子コメント)

Dude. No. They had gas chambers. Bombed out railways just shortened the wait for death. The 'guests' in the camps were slave labor until they couldn't function, then they were gassed.

[–]Vitalstatistix 7ポイント8ポイント  (3子コメント)

House was 300 in '78 and is 1400 now, but it's 6 times more? Good lord, how do people publish this shit without doing even basic double-checking.

[–]frustman 0ポイント1ポイント  (2子コメント)

I was hoping this would be top comment :/

[–]Vitalstatistix 1ポイント2ポイント  (1子コメント)

I was surprised no one had mentioned it even when I commented. The error calls the whole thing into question, even if I agree with the general idea of it. No one who doesn't already agree with the general idea would take this thing even remotely seriously thanks to that very basic error.

[–]frustman 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

Like you, I agree with the premise but the falsification of not just that number makes me call all its claims into question.

You hurt your own argument more by not checking your figures or worse, lying about them, content creator guy.

[–]MountainTurtles 3ポイント4ポイント  (0子コメント)

My dad was in the UAW in 1978 and lived in borderline poverty. Buying a new car was not common in 1978.

[–]Zenoasulil 6ポイント7ポイント  (1子コメント)

This is white racist bullshit:

https://www.stormfront.org/forum/t421876/

[–]jeradj -1ポイント0ポイント  (0子コメント)

Even racists can make accurate observations of real problems.

[–]Zenoasulil 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

To the op : chances are if this is true that you have voted republican. The great travesty in this country is that the republicans have been able to convince working class whites to vote for them. By using racism particularly. And that's one of the main reasons wages have stagnated. Healtcare has skyrocketed, Even now the republicans are against raising the minimum wage.

[–]Denex 8ポイント9ポイント  (8子コメント)

$10 in 1978 is equivalent to $37 in 2015 dollars. He must have been the world's best air conditioner installer.

[–]Jackalopecia 21ポイント22ポイント  (0子コメント)

That was a pretty common blue collar, union wage back then.

[–]aronnax512 44ポイント45ポイント  (4子コメント)

...or he was in a labor union.

[–]ernunnos 7ポイント8ポイント  (2子コメント)

Or he was just living in a country with a tight labor market.

[–]joneSee 1ポイント2ポイント  (1子コメント)

1978 was not a tight labor market.

[–]ernunnos 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

Higher work force participation rate than we have today. And a lot more women still weren't working outside the home. There wasn't as much of a mass of reserve labor waiting to get into the market. Also, many of the available jobs weren't all that complex (computers were still a novelty), and with those jobs soaking up much of the available supply, skilled labor willing to work in poor conditions (installing AC on rooftops) could demand more.

[–]ronpaulfan69 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

or he was lying

[–]Lochleon 15ポイント16ポイント  (0子コメント)

My father was making $11 an hour at Safeway in the late 70s.

[–]jeradj 7ポイント8ポイント  (0子コメント)

That's the point.

A lot of people were working regular jobs and making a lot more money, not all that long ago.

[–]manliest_destiny 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

Things will never be the same as it was before.

[–]Kimchidiary 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

You've obviously never lived in England.

[–]slackjaw1154 1ポイント2ポイント  (2子コメント)

Inflation, huh? How does it work?

[–]Curt04 2ポイント3ポイント  (1子コメント)

Everyone knows that inflation is a thing. It doesn't account for all the increases in things like healthcare especially. Even if we could say that all of this was caused by inflation it is still a problem. That is some serious runaway inflation that needs to be slowed. Also wages haven't kept nearly in line with these cost increases.

[–]slackjaw1154 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

You bring up healthcare, that's an interesting one. Let's also look at another industry that has had very rapid inflation rate, education. Now what do these two things have in common? Well, they are both very reliant on the deep pockets of taxpayers to subsidize them.

There's a diffusion of responsibility when the government spends other people's money... doesn't really matter to them how much money they keep forking over to those industries or how much they lend to students because they didn't earn it and they can always just print some more. So all those industries run over to feed voraciously at the government trough of easy money, prices/tuition soar and the citizens are left with ass end of the deal.

Now what if those huge amounts of tax money didn't exist to be squandered and instead citizens kept it and used it how they saw fit... what if the government didn't print ass loads of money everyday? Would we have this problem with inflation at such a scale? Would perhaps your money have more purchasing power? Interesting questions to think about.

[–]TheSyndicate9 -4ポイント-3ポイント  (4子コメント)

I've been doing heating and air conditioning for 4 years. I make over $50,000 a year and i can afford all of that. If you're making $17/hr and doing HVAC work you're just bad at your job. It doesn't take much to do well. Lazy people want things catered to their lack of motivation and effort

[–]just_an_ordinary_guy 6ポイント7ポイント  (2子コメント)

You can be good at your job and still get paid shit. Few companies value their labor force as much as they're worth.

[–]Toodlum 0ポイント1ポイント  (1子コメント)

No company values their labor force as much as they're worth, else they wouldn't be in business. Capitalism is built on the premise of paying people less than they're worth.

[–]just_an_ordinary_guy 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

As a socialist myself, yes I definitely agree with that statement. Yeah, I could have worded it better. A better phrase might be "as much as they used to."

[–]rap_the_musical 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

You're being too specific to your own experience in your job dude, I'm sure you work hard but people in the 70's, 80's, even 90's made better than the equivalent of $50k in today's money. They point here is that wages haven't in any way kept up with inflation/cost of living. Your 50k was worth the equivalent of 111,000 in 1985 money. If you keep busting your ass do you think they'll pay you an extra 60k?

[–]pleurocarpLazy and proud of it. -3ポイント-2ポイント  (0子コメント)

p much