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[–]MDChristie 4051ポイント4052ポイント  (165子コメント)

"This many people can't be wrong"

Yes, yes the bloody well can be.

[–]NoKillNoLife 542ポイント543ポイント  (19子コメント)

I once experienced being of 2 students to have something right in the entire classroom(it was a "work drawing", not sure how to correctly translate it), the teacher was wrong too, every time I tried explaining some douchebag said "This many people can't be wrong".

I explained the teacher afterwards and he corrected it, some still got it wrong(test) since they only remembered the "first way".

That felt good, and that argument can go die.

[–]TheresNoAmosOnlyZuul 185ポイント186ポイント  (7子コメント)

I'm sorry, but this is too interesting to let die. I'm really curious where you're from and what the problem was. No need to respond if you're busy or don't care, but I'm curious so I thought I'd give it a shot.

[–]NoKillNoLife 46ポイント47ポイント  (3子コメント)

I'm from norway, it was just a matter of which side the stapled line should be on. I am not sure what it is called in english, but it's typically 4 drawings(sometimes 5, sometimes 2-3), 1 of each side of the object. Please reply if you get what I'm trying to explain.

Found example click me

[–]JeffMurdock_ 59ポイント60ポイント  (1子コメント)

Ah yes, Engineering Drawing / Mechanical Drawing is what it's called in English. What you described as between 2 and 5 drawings are called orthographic projections, and the composite drawing on the right side of the image you presented is the isometric projection of the object.

[–]msirae 45ポイント46ポイント  (4子コメント)

argh, this shit pisses me off. since when does popularity coincide with quality? all that argument is good for is saying, "yes, many people share my opinion!" that's great and all, but it's still just that - an opinion.

[–]Autumn_Fire 351ポイント352ポイント  (30子コメント)

Well there were tons of Nazis right? They couldn't have been wrong! They're just to many!

[–]canadianguy1234 234ポイント235ポイント  (20子コメント)

and then an equally infuriating response: "Oh my god, you're comparing us to nazis"

edit: then someone else hears and thinks I'm equating them with nazis

[–]Trofeetito 105ポイント106ポイント  (9子コメント)

Yes indeed, I'm talking about two groups of people being wrong, one of them atleast had a stylish moustache, you ain't got shit tough.

[–]Nailclippers 64ポイント65ポイント  (8子コメント)

The Nazi SS uniform was designed by Hugo Boss iirc.

So the Nazis had stylish clothes and efficiency, at least.

[–]Number127 132ポイント133ポイント  (7子コメント)

And, along the same lines, "It's just common sense."

If something is really that obvious, it should be extremely easy to articulate why it's true. Invoking common sense just means that you believe it but don't really know why, along with a dash of "you're so ignorant there's no point even trying to convince you" condescension.

[–]10_9_ 1191ポイント1192ポイント  (62子コメント)

"Yeah, thanks", "wow, you're SO smart", and any other sarcastic comeback that only serves to force shut down the argument.

[–]myusernameranoutofsp 129ポイント130ポイント  (16子コメント)

On reddit a lot, there will be some complicated issue, and someone will suggest some solution, and then someone else will say "Oh but that's just too logical", and it's annoying because either the suggested solution is bad, or a bunch of people already knew the solution but it is hard to implement, or they are misrepresenting the problem. They simplify the situation and then feel smug about it.

[–]13471118 18ポイント19ポイント  (9子コメント)

Similar: "get out of here with your logic! /s"

It doesn't add anything to the discussion, it's a childish preemptive putdown of any opposition.

[–]KubrickIsMyCopilot 1598ポイント1599ポイント  (47子コメント)

Repeating a claim that was already discredited in an earlier part of the argument.

[–]thebloodofthematador 417ポイント418ポイント  (14子コメント)

Some people come to discussions with one prepared argument, and regardless of what else is said, that's the argument they're going to have. It's much easier to have an argument with someone based on opinions and beliefs you've already assigned to them than actually engage with them and think critically about your own ideas.

[–]Bahamabanana 61ポイント62ポイント  (8子コメント)

That said, it's possible to feel unconvinced with the discrediting argument that the counter-arguer would himself feel completely convinced of. This is where you, rather than just throw in a completely new argument, clarify your previous point in an attempt to get the meaning of it better across.

[–]Drasern 56ポイント57ポイント  (7子コメント)

Person 1 makes argument A. If person 2 make argument B that they claim discredits some part of argument A, then person 1 has two options. They can discredit argument B, by attacking some axiom or its structure. Or they can attempt to refine the argument A such that it is no longer affected by B, but still makes the point they're trying to get across.

At no point is simply restating A an acceptable response.

[–]FiscalCliff_TheMovie 33ポイント34ポイント  (6子コメント)

Makes me want to tear my hair out. Saying the same thing twice doesn't make them twice as smart.

[–]Randomishly 1923ポイント1924ポイント  (111子コメント)

"you're just closed-minded"

[–]jmariorebelo 1083ポイント1084ポイント  (41子コメント)

My mother says the opposite: "You're so radical".

[–]Number127 261ポイント262ポイント  (12子コメント)

Ugh, I hate that one too. I'm perfectly open-minded, you're just not saying anything to persuade me!

[–]BlackPresident 29ポイント30ポイント  (7子コメント)

Then again some people are closed minded as they outright deny facts.. They'll say they can't be persuaded unless you argue without using the facts they don't agree with.

[–]ormus_cama 209ポイント210ポイント  (13子コメント)

I usually answer this with Tim Minchin's line: If you open your mind too much, your brain will fall out.

[–]Kaboogle 127ポイント128ポイント  (8子コメント)

"You don't want to become so open minded that the wind whistles between your ears." - Terrence McKenna

[–]pm_me_ur_screenshot 1781ポイント1782ポイント  (123子コメント)

There are blind children in Africa starving to death

[–]SUCK_MY_DICK_THANKS 2020ポイント2021ポイント  (22子コメント)

There are also billionaires fucking a different model every night of the week and eating $1,000 dinners, so fuck you I'm not eating my vegetables.

[–]RIP_Melone 250ポイント251ポイント  (12子コメント)

Oh, the humanity! Why would you waste perfectly good food? Why? WHY??

[–]blolfighter 97ポイント98ポイント  (7子コメント)

Because it's not perfectly good. Your mashed potatoes are bland.

[–]Trofeetito 191ポイント192ポイント  (0子コメント)

You know well that I'm not eating that shit, so when you make a portion of it to me aswell you're knowingly throwing it away, every single time.

[–]jmariorebelo 559ポイント560ポイント  (27子コメント)

Relevant talk:

mom - eat all your food

child - no

mom - kids in africa could live weeks of the things you are leaving there

child - exactly, if I eat it they'll keep on starving. I'm saving for them

[–]thebloodofthematador 98ポイント99ポイント  (6子コメント)

This is such a lazy argument that's only used to stop the first person from talking about whatever topic was under discussion. It's so easy to shut someone down with "well, it's worse somewhere else, so why are you wasting time worrying about this relatively trivial thing?" They don't really care about this other bad thing, they just want you to stop talking.

[–]C7H5BiO4 293ポイント294ポイント  (24子コメント)

Going along with that argument, there's always the similar argument of "people have it worse than you, so don't feel sad." Yeah, am I not supposed to feel happy because other people have it better?

It's the whole idea of yes, other people probably do, in fact, have it worse than me. That doesn't help me in the long run with my misery, because all that argument does is try to belittle sadness and have an inability to cope with it. I feel sadness because I have my own problems that affect me directly, not the person on the other side of the world.

[–]IamNotITGirl 64ポイント65ポイント  (8子コメント)

My little brother says crap like this and it gets on my nerves. Just because one person may have bigger problems doesn't automatically invalidate someone else's problems or sadness.

Really I think he does it more as an, "My life is worse than yours, so why are you complaining?" tactic.

[–]-eDgAR- 676ポイント677ポイント  (82子コメント)

You can't prove that I am wrong, therefore I am right.

[–]thebloodofthematador 394ポイント395ポイント  (34子コメント)

Or its close cousin, "I'm going to make a ridiculous claim, then demand that you do your own research to support it before you can argue with me."

[–]powerpuff_threesome 277ポイント278ポイント  (26子コメント)

Whenever I see the phrase "do your research" I like to pop an Adderall and take their advice.

http://imgur.com/jI8JUQw

EDIT: I've been asked if there were any responses. This is all that happened afterward: http://i.imgur.com/eAwlVkF.png

[–]kjata 239ポイント240ポイント  (26子コメント)

Fucking hate it when people aren't even aware of the notion that the burden of proof rests on the person making the claim.

[–]HamsterBoo 156ポイント157ポイント  (17子コメント)

On the flip side, I hate when I talk about a moderately well-known fact and am instantly bombarded with "source?" I was interested in contributing to a conversation, not your education. Google it.

I understand that when a claim is made its veracity needs to be checked, but can't you at least Google it before asking me to? I've literally copy and pasted my first sentence into Google (not even using key words) and had the first result be a solid source. If you are having trouble, post a "Hey, I Googled what you are talking about and can't find any references. Can you post a source?" That you actually found what I said compelling enough to try to learn about it might actually motivate me enough to try to find some resources for you.

[–]Fernao 26ポイント27ポイント  (1子コメント)

Yeah, I think this happens because people misunderstand the idea of burden of proof. It means that the ideological side that makes the claim has to have evidence to support the idea - you can't ask the other side to prove a negative. It doesn't mean that you personally have to list out sources on the internet or the whole idea is invalid.

[–]Diredoe 655ポイント656ポイント  (82子コメント)

I've long since stopped trying to correct people's factually incorrect shit they post on Facebook, but when I did there were two arguments that just frustrated the hell out of me.

"When you get older you'll see that the world is a lot different than you think." I'm over 30 years old, how much older do I need to be before I magically see the light?

"I served in the armed forces, so I know all about illegal immigration and the effects it has on the country" or some other hot-button issue.

[–]Tblood51 123ポイント124ポイント  (4子コメント)

Recently had an experience with trying to explain that vaccines are in fact not dangerous in the least, got attacked by like 5 teen parents, including one with the infamous, "I wasn't vaccinated, and I'm just fine." I hate saying it, but I couldn't help feeling fantastic when she got the mumps.

[–]trashlunch 248ポイント249ポイント  (56子コメント)

That first one really burns my buns too. Especially when it gets thrown around by conservatives saying shit like "if you're not a liberal at 20 you have no heart, if you're not a conservative at 35 you have no brain" as if all progressive ideology is just a "rebellious phase" that all intelligent people grow out of. Similarly, any argument that boils down to calling the other side, no matter how well researched or logical their position is, naive, makes me absolutely crazy.

[–]Goat_im_Himmel 220ポイント221ポイント  (12子コメント)

"If everyone jumped off a bridge, would you do it too?"

Well... presuming they survived and it looked like fun? Yeah!

[–]semivocalwallflower 758ポイント759ポイント  (133子コメント)

Confirmation Bias - Oh look! I found a counterargument which I've come to believe completely invalidates anything this person has to say, or any other persons who attest to the same, because I wish to hold onto only the opinions or facts I deem appropriate and suggest others follow suit.

[–]Loreat 70ポイント71ポイント  (3子コメント)

If Google was a guy: "I've got 1000000 results which say they don't and 1 which say they do." "I knew it."

[–]WhyDoges 696ポイント697ポイント  (87子コメント)

So when looking at Reddit for facts like marijuana being 100% healthy?

[–]ErionFish 564ポイント565ポイント  (46子コメント)

HOW DARE YOU TALK ABOUT MARIJUANA LIKE THAT MY GRANDFATHER WAS ABOUT TO DIE FROM CANCER AND SMOKED MARIJUANA AND WITHIN A WEEK HE WASNT SUFFERING FROM CANCER ANYMORE!!!!!

/s

[–]Aldheim 467ポイント468ポイント  (39子コメント)

YOU THINK YOU'RE HOT SHIT, MY GRANDDAD DIED OF CANCER AND HIS HOMIES ROLLED HIS ASHES INTO A BLUNT WITH SOME WEED AND HE COALESCED FROM THE SMOKE, CURED OF CANCER AND WITH THE BODY OF A TWENTY YEAR OLD!!!!!

[–]trexrocks 1737ポイント1738ポイント  (185子コメント)

Well, a few people have said they hate people acting like factual things are opinions, but I often run into the opposite problem with my roommate's douche boyfriend.

I say something that is a subjective opinion, and am informed that I am wrong.

For example, "I didn't really like The Royal Tenenbaums" "No, it's a great movie" "Well, I get that other people really like it, I just didn't enjoy it" "No, that's wrong."

And then he tries to pull out all of these objective reasons why it's a great movie.

I DID NOT ENJOY IT. You can pull out every scholarly article on its awesomeness, and it won't suddenly make me like it.

He does this with movies, music, TV, food. "I like peanuts more than hazelnuts." "No, that's wrong." Really?

It's a matter of personal taste, so leave me alone.

[–]OrSpeeder 241ポイント242ポイント  (62子コメント)

I am a game designer.

I said to many people that I don't like Zelda series, despite them being well made.

Lots of people got really mad at me, and tried to convince me that disliking Zelda is wrong because Zelda is great... Well, I DO think Zelda is great, I know why, and I understand the design decisions, I just don't like it.

[–]Lucidlillith 25ポイント26ポイント  (2子コメント)

oh man, I do that to people sometimes, but just close friends and family, so they should know I'm joking. In my family it's heaps normal- "what? You don't like silverside? That's wrong, you must not be my daughter." etc etc. My boyfriend's family are like the super literal dude in guardians of the galaxy. One time I was like "James doesn't like avocado, there must be something wrong with him." And his mother was like "well lucid, sometimes people just like different things and that's okay."

I'm like, I know ??????? I just talk a lot of shit ????????

[–]part-time-unicorn 3213ポイント3214ポイント  (189子コメント)

oh hey, I'm going to specifically target your grammar/spelling/pronunciation and not focus on the actual argument at all

[–]CSnopurpose 207ポイント208ポイント  (14子コメント)

writing a long response leaving out some punctuations but still easily readable

"Could you write that one more time in English?"

and you know that the other person made sure his response had no grammatical errors looking over his response 10 times over.

[–]Kaboogle 130ポイント131ポイント  (4子コメント)

"Hey, do you want a salad?"

"Yeah, I would like a talad."

"Alright fucker, but that ain't what I'm serving."

It's especially annoying when someone mishears you, but is convinced that you actually pronounced the word incorrectly.

[–]OrgyPanda 2005ポイント2006ポイント  (90子コメント)

Oh, hey. I'm going to specifically target your grammar/spelling/pronunciation, and not focus on the actual argument at all.

FTFY

[–]Tr0user 721ポイント722ポイント  (52子コメント)

To be fair, both of those commas that you slipped in are just optional commas that may help the flow of the sentence, not grammatical corrections.

Also not too sure about making "Oh, hey" into a full sentence either. Perhaps the best grammatical suggestion, could have been to put the whole comment in quotation marks.

[–]DrAminove 277ポイント278ポイント  (8子コメント)

Can we just focus on the actual argument?

[–]TangyLoofah 124ポイント125ポイント  (5子コメント)

It infuriates me when people ignore the actual argument and focus on the grammar instead.

[–]zjin 19ポイント20ポイント  (0子コメント)

It infuriates me when people focus on the argument rather than the more important grammatical issues.

[–]Presuminged 1369ポイント1370ポイント  (142子コメント)

Unless you've had kids (or whatever) you can't have an opinion.

[–]PrincessStupid 1027ポイント1028ポイント  (45子コメント)

As a mother of seventeen children, I firmly believe that it is our God-given right to make this assertion in any argument, regardless of whether or not it is related to parenting.

I need to go take Neveah and Brayden to soccer now.

[–]Brozekial 201ポイント202ポイント  (19子コメント)

What sports did Sage and Madison decide on?

[–]A_Prostitute 98ポイント99ポイント  (13子コメント)

And I would love to know what grade Kayden and Kaidan got on their tests. Those twins are always doing so well.

[–]winstonsmithluvsbb 28ポイント29ポイント  (0子コメント)

Fuck, Karen, you can't even spell your own kids' names right. It's Mneveighæ and Brädenne.

[–]TravelingPseudonym 15ポイント16ポイント  (0子コメント)

The best response I've heard to this was along the lines of "I'm not a pilot either, but I know a plane crash when I see one."

[–]albatross49[S] 2446ポイント2447ポイント  (83子コメント)

When you argue with someone and get loud, and they say "Why are you getting so defensive? That's a sure sign of guilt."

I'm getting angry just thinking about it...

[–]Foraged_Menu 740ポイント741ポイント  (24子コメント)

After telling them its not worth the argument and to just drop I but they badger you TILL YOU LOSE YOUR COOL AND THEY WONDER WHY IM SO GODDAMNED FRUSTRATED AND STOP GETTING MAD AT ME?

Edit: So I take it everyone has met my brother?

[–]ImThatGuy42 324ポイント325ポイント  (17子コメント)

But when you do try to drop it they're all like, "aye why change the subject" and you want to RIP THEIR SPINAL CORD OUT AND SHOVE IT UP THEIR ASSHOLE AND OUT OF THEIR MOUTH

[–]fuck-dat-shit-up 221ポイント222ポイント  (22子コメント)

Or they tell you not to be so upset. I am not upset, I am arguing my point.

[–]yourhardboiled 152ポイント153ポイント  (8子コメント)

That's happens to me all the time. I'm usually an introverted easy-going guy, so the odd times I do pick a battle or have a vocal opinion or otherwise stand up for myself a little bit, people accuse me of being "mad" and tell me I'm being a dick about it. But if somebody's an opinionated shit-talker all the time, people just accept it

[–]MrYellowFancyPants 44ポイント45ポイント  (4子コメント)

Or: "You really just need to calm down."

I AM CALM. At least, I was until you told me to calm down.

[–]Okichah 38ポイント39ポイント  (0子コメント)

Being defensive is usually a result of someone else being offensive, the prick.

[–]Bigcow200 1014ポイント1015ポイント  (90子コメント)

"Stop being so entitled" -people with low standards when I complain about a major flaw in a product I purchased

[–]Phreakiture 653ポイント654ポイント  (13子コメント)

To your point exactly: sometimes you are entitled. When you pay for something, you are entitled to get what you paid for. You have no reason to act it.

[–]jedontrack27 277ポイント278ポイント  (16子コメント)

'But this other thing is worse'

Yeah, great. I'll deal with that next. Meanwhile, shall we fix this thing?

[–]Heathenforhire 89ポイント90ポイント  (3子コメント)

I used to get that a lot as a pub doorman.

"But there's people in there way more drunk than me. Why aren't you kicking them out?"

"Because right now I'm busy with you. Once you stop arguing and fuck off, I'll go back for anyone else that might be a bit too pissed. I'm good, but I'm not two places at once good."

[–]thelonelyward3 233ポイント234ポイント  (19子コメント)

"Atleast you're not a starving kid in africa"

....THAT DOESN'T MEAN I'M NOT ALLOWED TO COMPLAIN.

[–]sinisterFUEGO 69ポイント70ポイント  (5子コメント)

Perspective is a wonderful thing, can help you cope with things but at the same time, someone else's suffering doesn't invalidate my own. My broken arm doesn't magically feel better because Dan down the hall has cancer.

[–]jmariorebelo 632ポイント633ポイント  (119子コメント)

"You're not old enough" when I'm 25 and I have some views on society tht don't follow the norm.

[–]Kawaii_Fart_Tits 122ポイント123ポイント  (12子コメント)

"You're just jealous"

It's such a weak argument. Sometimes people have a valid critism that goes beyond just being "a jealous hater".

[–]Maledicte 894ポイント895ポイント  (114子コメント)

"Well, that's just my opinion, and it's my right to have one."

[–]MasterFubar 175ポイント176ポイント  (18子コメント)

You have a right to have an opinion, but having one does not mean you are right.

[–]MDChristie 457ポイント458ポイント  (6子コメント)

"Well, my opinion is that your opinion is complete bollocks - is that checkmate, or will you accept that 'your opinion' has no place in a factual argument?"

[–]sydbobyd 197ポイント198ポイント  (40子コメント)

It's just my opinion that 2+2=5. It's my right to believe that.

[–]way_fairer 2222ポイント2223ポイント  (249子コメント)

With regard to NSA surveillance. If you have nothing to hide then you have nothing to worry about. This argument completely misses the point.

[–]backdrake 984ポイント985ポイント  (31子コメント)

Like how if you have nothing to say, you shouldn't care about freedom of speech.

[–]scooter_nz 138ポイント139ポイント  (12子コメント)

My favourite counter argument against that is "What happens when there's a large data breach at the NSA and everyone's identity gets put up for sale on the dark web".

If they try and argue that just remind them about the half a dozen large scale data thefts that have happened in the past year. Including 5 million finger prints being stolen from the Department of Defence this week.

[–]myofficesfwaccount 415ポイント416ポイント  (141子コメント)

Tbh i never could convincingly argue against this counter argument.

[–]thebloodofthematador 1208ポイント1209ポイント  (25子コメント)

"Taking a shit isn't illegal, but I still close the door when I do it."

[–]myusernameranoutofsp 157ポイント158ポイント  (9子コメント)

Pretty much everyone breaks some laws throughout their lives. People also do stuff that's legal, but that society in general might not approve of, or even stuff that might embarrass them even if there's nothing wrong with it. Surveilling everyone allows for the situation where people can be selectively prosecuted. If the government thinks someone is a trouble-maker, they can start prosecuting them on things that everyone does and everyone gets away with, like occasionally accidentally speeding or jaywalking. Or they can leak stuff that's legal-but-not-socially-acceptable to attack that person. Surveilling everyone allows for that type of selective persecution and blackmail.

[–]Aeto_the_Wizard 241ポイント242ポイント  (9子コメント)

The best argument is the fact that you never know what the authorities might think is relevant. It's the same reason you should never talk to police unless you have a lawyer present. You can have perfectly good intentions, but if the police or any other authorities want you to be guilty they will comb through everything they can find and twist it to their advantage.

Get falsely arrested for a bomb threat? Now all those google searches you needed to do for your college chemistry courses are going to be suspicious. Just one example.

[–]POGtastic 45ポイント46ポイント  (2子コメント)

This is the same reason why the Fifth Amendment isn't just there to protect guilty people - it's also there to protect innocent people who could be convicted by coincidence (or maliciousness).

Do you really trust the government to make the distinction between "Yeah, he looks at some morbid shit on Reddit, but he's not actually making bombs" and the guy who's actually doing it? More than likely, it's "Looks like we've got our man. Take him away, boys!"

Especially if this intelligence is classified so that exculpatory evidence could be hidden. Cell phone tower tracking shows that you were in another county at the time of the bomb threat? No problem, the court doesn't need to see that, and the defense attorney can't get clearance to get that evidence anyway.

[–]Aeto_the_Wizard 17ポイント18ポイント  (1子コメント)

Oh man I just read about a trial where the jury actually held it against the defendant because he didn't testify. Where did they find these people? Was it not explained to them that you cannot consider that as a sign of guilt as a juror? And if it was explained and they just could not understand it, can't we give them details on why exactly it can't be held against them?

Hell, even if the police don't try to make an argument about my habits and personality from my Reddit browsing history, them just posting a list of what I've said on Reddit without any details or context is scary enough. Especially when you consider how the average American jury thinks.

[–]POGtastic 17ポイント18ポイント  (0子コメント)

"Mr. Aeto, did you... or did you not write on July 23 that you would, and I quote, 'skullfuck the President to death with a cactus?'"


The principal argument in the Don't Talk to Police video is obvious, but there's a bunch of other fantastic stuff in there that comes from the police officer.

"See, my job is actually pretty easy. Because when you walk into that courtroom and sit in the defendant's chair, that's strike one. And when you slouch a little bit or even kinda-sorta look like a criminal, that's strike two. The jury is already halfway decided on your guilt, and we haven't even started the trial yet."

The thing is... as bad as jury trials are, inquisition-style trials are just as open to abuse and incompetence. Think of all of those judges who have been caught saying racist shit and happily sentencing black people to far longer terms than white people, and now imagine them being able to decide guilt as well.

[–]somethingsomethingbe 29ポイント30ポイント  (0子コメント)

Reasons against vast systematic network of spying:

  1. What's normal for you today may not be later.

  2. Self censorship because of the fear of the government's eye, that whole idea of ending up on a list.

  3. It allows the opportunity to easily spy on political opponents or movement with alternate views then the current people power.

  4. Opens of the opportunity to spy on politicians to gather material to coheres votes.

  5. USA is not some abnormal morally righteous nation. People in power are just as dysfunctional and corruptible as people from any other country. If its a bad thing for China or Russia to do it, the exact same reasons apply for the USA.

  6. It gives a tiny section of the government, those who spy on us, disproportional control. I just cant help but see that as being a huge vulnerability in the power structure of a country.

[–]Polciu 310ポイント311ポイント  (35子コメント)

Even if you aren't a criminal, would you like some police van to follow you when you go to work, visit your friends or whatever? I wouldnt want them to know about my personal life.

Besides, people like Mandela or Martin Luther King were considered a terrorist by Western powers back when they were actually fighting on the good side. Imagine how many other progressives are going to be persecuted so much easier through NSA because they threaten the status quo?

[–]Burt_the_Hutt 487ポイント488ポイント  (122子コメント)

Not so much anger as disappointment, when an analogy is used and the response is 'those two things have nothing to do with eachother.' Analogies work because the things are different, though. Example:

  1. If it is raining, then the sidewalk is wet. The sidewalk is wet. Therefore, it is raining.

  2. If Bill Clinton is the current president, then the current president is democratic. The current president is democratic. Therefore, the current president is Bill Clinton.

Rain and presidents have nothing to do with eachother, yet the second argument shows why the first doesn't work.

[–]Okichah 352ポイント353ポイント  (35子コメント)

I tried to explain schrodingers cat and was called heartless for supporting experiments on animals.

[–]Synaps4 105ポイント106ポイント  (7子コメント)

Fun fact: Schrodinger intended the cat-in-the-box thought experiment to show how absurd the idea was, not to illustrate how it worked. We all now use it as the gold standard for explaining the latter.

[–]Okichah 13ポイント14ポイント  (4子コメント)

I like to think about this sometimes. Is it the definition of irony? Maybe. But its pretty funny nonetheless.

[–]Synaps4 27ポイント28ポイント  (3子コメント)

I try to stay far away from declaring anything to be "ironic" for fear of getting the definition wrong somehow.

[–]Joe_Pendleton 16ポイント17ポイント  (1子コメント)

Incredible. I'd love to hear more about the context, especially the background of the antagonist.

[–]skullturf 183ポイント184ポイント  (14子コメント)

I agree.

If anything, this probably tends to be worse when it comes to controversial subjects (religion, violence, rape, drugs, crime, etc., etc.)

I hate it when I try to make an analogy or a parallel between two things that obviously aren't identical, and the other person responds smugly with something like "Well, people aren't cars", as though that simple observation somehow demolishes my argument.

Fucking of course people are not cars, and nobody thinks that they are. But it's still possible for the structure of a certain argument about people to have the same form as a certain other argument about cars!

[–]Aeto_the_Wizard 60ポイント61ポイント  (5子コメント)

Analogies and metaphors are a tough arguing tool to use and need to be utilized skillfully in order to be successful. A lot of people absolutely suck at it. The argument that I (and many I've seen) usually make against analogies is not "those are two different scenarios, so it's an invalid argument" but rather "there are two totally different operating conditions around those two scenarios, so you can't make a valid comparison."

To elaborate a bit more: Analogies and metaphors work in situations where it's hard for one party to understand your side of the argument because of technicalities, so you break it down for them. Explaining a biological process, for example, like a highway can be useful even though the two things are totally different. But arguing that traffic on a highway works like a human biological process is not a valid argument to make because there are two totally separate operating conditions around those things.

So basically, what I'm saying, is that it's fine to use a metaphor in an argument when you're explaining a process of your argument. But it's not fine to use as supporting evidence of your argument.

[–]fredsavage666 827ポイント828ポイント  (107子コメント)

Claim "some band sucks". Bad counter "you do not have as successful a music career as this band". Ugh, you're totally right... Mumford and Sons is great. My opinion was wrong... Wtf?

[–]Weavel 480ポイント481ポイント  (45子コメント)

Definitely this.

"I think Aslan are bad." "Oh yeah? Why don't you try make something like that?"

Oh I'm sorry, I didn't realize I was only allowed judge music based on my own skill level.

[–]DavidL1112 361ポイント362ポイント  (9子コメント)

My counter argument is "Do you need to be a chef to taste food?"

[–]TehSalmonOfDoubt 64ポイント65ポイント  (3子コメント)

I don't need to be a chef to know when something tastes shit

[–]JohnsmiThunderscore 161ポイント162ポイント  (13子コメント)

Well, saying a band sucks isn't really an argument. It's a statement, and you're making in a way that sounds aggressive and/or condescending towards anyone who likes that band.

[–]beepbeepitsajeep 107ポイント108ポイント  (10子コメント)

I prefer to say "I do not like band x."

[–]rorrimlmirror 17ポイント18ポイント  (2子コメント)

That is a better way of describing just about everything. Most things are not by nature great, funny, sucky, gross or whatever. It's generally our opinion. So stating it as an opinion rather than a fact will sit better with most people. "I don't like", "I don't feel" as opposed to "it is x", "it's not y".

[–]dancingapple 401ポイント402ポイント  (48子コメント)

Personal anecdotes. Things like "Well my dad used physical discipline and it really helped teach me how to not to behave" or "I had a religious experience which confirmed that god exists". You often can't really confirm or argue against them and it tends to put the discussion into 'he said she said' territory. In rare cases I think they can help get an idea across, but you can't use anecdotes as the basis for your whole premise.

[–]CoffeeAndSwords 299ポイント300ポイント  (21子コメント)

I think anecdotes have a place in an argument. That place is making the argument relatable.

[–]quichagan 134ポイント135ポイント  (14子コメント)

But if they are being used as a main talking point in proving something, then they lose value

[–]thekdawg360 700ポイント701ポイント  (39子コメント)

"It's just a theory"

A theory is back up by research and scientific fact. A hypothesis would be the word your looking for to belittle someone's argument, ya dick.

[–]astoundingchair 122ポイント123ポイント  (12子コメント)

Fuck you, gravity is just a theory and I can jump that cliff if you just believe in me, mom!

[–]PM_ME_VALYRIAN_STEEL 394ポイント395ポイント  (10子コメント)

What if it IS just a theory? A GAME THEORY, thanks for watching.

[–]manbearbatman 31ポイント32ポイント  (6子コメント)

"You're a Nazi/Racist/Fascist/Zionist/etc." (Because I disagree with him)

[–]Snaire 130ポイント131ポイント  (8子コメント)

Life's unfair.

So deliberately making it more so is ok then.

[–]TagProNoah 2139ポイント2140ポイント  (155子コメント)

"How would you feel if you were aborted?"

I fucking wouldn't.

[–]Nulono 1272ポイント1273ポイント  (4子コメント)

"You know how many times your goldfish would've died if I hadn't fed it for you?"

"I don't know, once?"

[–]LordSyyn 30ポイント31ポイント  (2子コメント)

I know, so silly. Not like it's say, a Bhuddist cat.

[–]foreverinLOL 15ポイント16ポイント  (1子コメント)

How does that work? I mean cats have 9 lives anyway... does the reincarnation happen after they lose all 9 lives and then become a new cat?

Like starting a New Game in Super Mario?

[–]lagerbaer 355ポイント356ポイント  (24子コメント)

Counter this with: "Will you let me impregnate your daughter? No? Way to nip an innocent life in the bud. Could have become the guy who'd cure cancer, but noooooo".

[–]TheBoiledHam 49ポイント50ポイント  (10子コメント)

"Would you prefer that I never use a condom?" Think of all the lives I'm ending before they even begin!"

[–]creepy_doll 52ポイント53ポイント  (7子コメント)

Well, there are people who genuinely think you shouldn't...

So using this counter might not be a good idea

[–]ReflexMan 14ポイント15ポイント  (5子コメント)

Where do they even draw the line?

Abortion is preventing a potential life. So what about condoms?

Condoms are preventing potential life. So what about refraining from sex?

ANY SECOND YOU ARE NOT ACTIVELY TRYING TO REPRODUCE IS PREVENTING POTENTIAL LIFE.

Is that what we will get to eventually?

[–]Best_Towel_EU 165ポイント166ポイント  (46子コメント)

"I don't care." "1st world problems much?" "At least I have a girlfriend." "But other places do it worse than that." (Often in defense of the NSA or propaganda.) "Yeah, well the bible is up for interpretation."

[–]ErionFish 120ポイント121ポイント  (29子コメント)

Oh god I fucking hate the "At lease I have a girlfriend" thing. I have a friend, that anytime he doesnt like something says its useless and his example is that "it wont help you get a girlfriend." Life is not all about girlfriends and school is not useless because it doesnt focus on getting a girlfriend.

Sorry, I went on a bit of a rant there.

[–]Ijustsaidthat2 25ポイント26ポイント  (3子コメント)

Don't hate the player, hate the game. Fuck you, I will hate both.

[–]DraketheDrakeist 23ポイント24ポイント  (2子コメント)

Me: "This person needs a better mic, it hurts my ears" Person: "can you do better? Then shut up."

If someone has a mic that is screeching when you hear noise from it, it doesn't matter whether you can do better or not, it's still bad.

[–]res30stupid 175ポイント176ポイント  (25子コメント)

My sister would always bully me and when I said it wasn't fair she always went 'Tough luck'. Simply hearing that was enough to set me on a berserk rage, especially if she used it to justify taking over the TV when I was waiting for a show.

There was this one time when my sisters and mum went shopping in a nearby town and I was waiting for this movie I was dying to see on TV. Then, when it was about to come on, Mum and the sisters arrived, my older sister took the remote and turned on some fucking music channel. Naturally, I complained but my mum just said, 'You should all choose something to watch together, if not watch it in your room'.

No. Fuck you. I was waiting for over 2 weeks to see this movie on Sky Movies! I don't get Sky Movies in my bedroom! I didn't waste an entire Saturday sitting in a living room and watching unfunny American sitcoms all day waiting for 4:30 to roll around for that selfish cunt to take control of the TV and watch the same music videos she can watch on YouTube!

Then Mum made the mistake of asking, why don't you rent it from the local video store? I would except the same cuntbag got us banned from the place! So, that's how I ended up waiting an extra year to see the Tomb Raider movie.

[–]yaosio 65ポイント66ポイント  (5子コメント)

"You proved me wrong, so I'll just pretend I've won the argument and call you an idiot." Every debate on the Internet.

[–]KingOfSockPuppets 200ポイント201ポイント  (74子コメント)

Folks who think just saying "That's fallacy X" constitutes a solid rebuttal of an argument. It's fine to call out fallacies if you're providing a reasoning behind why you're saying it's such and such fallacy but people who resort to such a strategy usually do not. I also think people rely on calling a fallacy to 'win' too much. You are often better off simply explaining your reasoning for why something is inaccurate than getting wrapped up in the mystique of fallacies.

[–]thebloodofthematador 160ポイント161ポイント  (50子コメント)

It's the fallacy fallacy-- just because an argument contains a fallacy does not mean that the argument is invalid.

I see that a lot on Reddit with teenagers who just finished their first Philosophy course.

[–]NinesRS 95ポイント96ポイント  (1子コメント)

The one that boils down to "my opinions are as good as your facts." /facepalm

[–]Medeaaa 631ポイント632ポイント  (112子コメント)

Using religious beliefs as a counterargument to non-religious things.

[–]CoffeeAndSwords 322ポイント323ポイント  (25子コメント)

As a Christian myself, I find this annoying.

"What's a blood moon?"

"The Rapture."

Fuck you, Abby.

[–]nimbustwothousand 363ポイント364ポイント  (23子コメント)

Or using religious beliefs as a counter-argument to anything when you know you're dealing with an atheist.

Casual premarital sex will get me sent to hell? Oh, look, I don't care because I don't believe in hell.

[–]probablyhrenrai 55ポイント56ポイント  (5子コメント)

Yeah, well, you're (not) a [blank], so you can't understand.

Also, for the exact same reason:

Well you've never [blanked], so you can't understand.


Yeah, no. What you mean is that you're either wrong and are in denial or you can't explain yourself properly.

[–]Bassoon_Commie 286ポイント287ポイント  (54子コメント)

"If people evolved from monkeys, why are there still monkeys?"

eye twitches

[–]oojemange 26ポイント27ポイント  (1子コメント)

This argument never made sense to me when before I knew that we didn't actually evolve from monkeys.. It's not difficult to think that one group of monkeys moved to a different environment and consequently needed to be better at different things.

[–]mwproductions 112ポイント113ポイント  (9子コメント)

I was recently involved in a discussion where a woman brought this up. Her confederate (her sister, I think) agreed. They both looked like this was some fantastic trump card.

I said something along the lines of, "we didn't evolve from monkeys. What you're envisioning is a straight line between monkeys and humans."

I used my hands to "draw" the two points and the line in the air.

"But what actually happened is that monkeys and humans both evolved from a common ancestor."

Again with the hands, illustrating the new, correct lineage.

The confederate looked like she suddenly understood; as though no one had ever explained it to her like that before (which is probably the case). The woman who brought up the monkeys in the first place stared at me blankly for a few seconds, and then jumped to some other argument she had brought up earlier (which seemed to be her strategy—don't let anyone focus on a single topic long enough to actually answer the question).

Eventually the confederate pulled the woman away saying to her, "you're not going to win this argument."

[–]weedful_things 22ポイント23ポイント  (3子コメント)

If Americans came from Europe, why is there still a Europe?

[–]platoandfriends 15ポイント16ポイント  (1子コメント)

My own favourite is the assumption that sourced=right and not sourced=wrong. Well sourced does not mean correct, nor does unsourced mean wrong. Aside from anything, there are academics (like myself) on here, and an academic is very likely to know more than anyone else in the world on their particular areas of expertise. When I talk about my field it's not that I can't source, it's that my source is me.

[–]tayhiro 46ポイント47ポイント  (3子コメント)

"Well, I know one black guy with a confederate flag on his car, so it CAN'T BE RACIST."

Yes, it can. And he can be stupid.

[–]Xansies 56ポイント57ポイント  (6子コメント)

"There are plenty of other ____ that also do ____" fuck off, deflecting a point to because you have no other proof isn't a fucking argument. Do better.

[–]EMTWoods 273ポイント274ポイント  (90子コメント)

The watchmaker analogy.

When I was in my early teens, I started to struggle at church. I started asking questions which were seen as disruptive by my preacher. I did not think the questions were inherently harmful to having faith; instead, I just wanted to know why we were talking about a Chinese invasion of America during our Fourth of July service, or how evolution fit in with the church's doctrine.

My preacher ended up sitting me down alone in the basement one day, and really tried to tear into me. Every argument he used was related to the watchmaker analogy though. He believed other nations were jealous of the United States, as it had been designed by god. Evolution was debunked because watch could not craft itself. The whole time he just had this weird smile on his face, and a tone of condescension.

It was really the last straw. Now whenever someone us that particular argument, it just brings up bad memories of that day.

[–]skullturf 278ポイント279ポイント  (12子コメント)

I really like J. Huger's response to the watchmaker analogy.

Yes, of course, when you find a watch, its detail and its structure and its intricacy causes you to believe that rather than the parts coming together accidentally, the watch was probably designed by something or someone.

And that's true. We know a lot about how watches are made, and they are not created by the parts just coming together accidentally.

However, neither are watches created in a single "burst", where an immensely powerful creator just kind of "wills" it into existence instantly. "Poof! Here's a watch all of a sudden!" Instead, we know that watches are built by teams of people, in many steps. Each watch is created by the cumulative effect of a lot of small actions by various different entities -- none of whom are all-powerful.

In fact, most watches that exist today were created by teams of people slightly altering a previous design for a watch, which in turn was created by slightly altering an even earlier design, and so on. In real life, watchmaking is a gradual process, and the structure of watches (which has been brought about by many small influences rather than a single "poof" of creation) could genuinely be described as evolving over time.

http://www.jhuger.com/the-watchmaker

[–]udbluehens 136ポイント137ポイント  (3子コメント)

My preacher ended up sitting me down alone in the basement one day, and really tried to tear into me

You should report that sort of thing

[–]db82 74ポイント75ポイント  (5子コメント)

Watchmaker analogies? Not on my watch!

[–]jedontrack27 141ポイント142ポイント  (30子コメント)

It's an easy analogy to debunk at least, quite simply if you put all the parts for a watch in a box and shake it there is a probability, albeit fantastically minute, that when you open the box you will find a perfectly formed watch. The probability is small, but it isn't impossible.

[–]kasteen 120ポイント121ポイント  (14子コメント)

And when you take into account that there are possibly an infinite amount of boxes in the universe being shaken for billions of years, you find that the probability quickly approaches one.

[–]Boxmasta 162ポイント163ポイント  (7子コメント)

Ah statistics. The giant fuck you to "why did this thing happen". Because it could...

[–]Crowlad 30ポイント31ポイント  (4子コメント)

because as statistically unlikely as it is, we wouldn't exist to ask how unlikely it is to happen if it hadn't happened

[–]Biblical_Beast 29ポイント30ポイント  (9子コメント)

If someone says why we should legislate for same sex marriage, and then someone counter-argues and says "But if we legislate gay marriage, how long until we legislate pedophile, bestiality, necrophilia"

It's a completely silly argument considering homosexuality is nothing like those other three, but I see the argument made far too often.

[–]Kebb 12ポイント13ポイント  (2子コメント)

My favorite "I could agree with you, but then we'd both be wrong."