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[–]FarnMy Empires Has No Limits 59ポイント60ポイント  (1子コメント)

CIS Latin

Shouldn't that be cisalpine?

[–]Vox_ImperatorisPersia 18ポイント19ポイント  (0子コメント)

I'm proudly transalpine.

[–]GenesisEraBUT THAT'S HERESY 20ポイント21ポイント  (0子コメント)

> Germanic-kin

> tribalfluid

> not glorious Imperial Greek culture

Ugh.

[–]DeflatriotScotland 70ポイント71ポイント  (3子コメント)

Identify as non-inbred Abbasid

r/CrusaderKings makes constant remove kebab jokes

Get triggered by remove kebab posts

Get triggered by anti-Karling jokes because they face the same persecution by the white male Norse Pagan cis scum at r/CrusaderKings

Yell at r/CrusaderKings for not checking their Greek privilege

Plot to an hero with Karling friend by inn full of manure

[–]CreshalIndia is my demesne 25ポイント26ポイント  (0子コメント)

non-inbred Abbasid

Don't lie to yourself.

[–]ThaiengleNahautija destroyer of kebab and karling. 4ポイント5ポイント  (0子コメント)

Rekted.

[–]koeleskab -2ポイント-1ポイント  (0子コメント)

Go to bitch at the UN about it.

forgot that bit...

[–]ToasterHumanValdemar the Victorious 6ポイント7ポイント  (0子コメント)

This is from before the timespan of CK2, though.

[–]World_WankerI created a pollinate button mod. 12ポイント13ポイント  (2子コメント)

the cure is biannual decimations

[–]mickles1975Rule Britannia 4ポイント5ポイント  (1子コメント)

Don't worry, some of us got it.

[–]World_WankerI created a pollinate button mod. 8ポイント9ポイント  (0子コメント)

betroth your daughter to me

[–]isthisfunnytoyouByzantium 2ポイント3ポイント  (2子コメント)

Did the Germans actually paint themselves with woad?

[–]Aifendragon 8ポイント9ポイント  (0子コメント)

Not to my knowledge, and even the idea of the Celts doing it is suspect; no actual source from the period mentions woad, just the colour blue. Tests on the Lindow Man bog body seem to indicate some kind of copper and iron pigment, possibly as a tattoo, which may have given a blue colour similar to mentioned by Caesar, among others.

It is possible that the later Germanic people tattooed themselves, because the 10th century explorer Ahmad ibn Fadlan reports the Rus people - mostly Slavic, with some Swedish elements - being covered in tattoos of trees that were either green or dark blue. It's not clear how common the practise was, however, and describing the Rus as a purely Germanic people is something of a simplification in any case.

[–]BelinderKrakozhia 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

woad raiders are unique unit

[–]Galle_CotC mod dev 26ポイント27ポイント  (2子コメント)

How is this at all relevant to r/crusaderkings?

[–]RecQueryScotland 35ポイント36ポイント  (1子コメント)

It's about as relevant as most other posts. If there wasn't anything else it would all be "Here's a picture of an event I triggered using the console isn't it funny" posts.

[–]PremislausDied an inbred freak 10ポイント11ポイント  (0子コメント)

I don't want to be a rule Nazi or anything but these pictures are at least related to CK. This is a reference to a different game series by another company set in a different historical era.

[–]delta_baryonInsufficiently Jewish 4ポイント5ポイント  (0子コメント)

Please tell me someone else doesn't find this really clumsy "satire" funny. It's boring and has been done to death.

[–]MasterdindinRoman Slayer 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

I thought it was in /r/totalwar until I saw the sub

[–]LordPilsHoly Alban Empire 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

I appreciate the people rejecting a lot of the chan shit here. You guys are cool.

[–]BarneyBent 9ポイント10ポイント  (55子コメント)

Off-topic, but you know what's interesting? The only time I've ever seen/read people talk about being triggered like that is in clumsy attempts at satire on 4chan, reddit and the like. Never seen anybody say anything like that and mean it. And I would, by most definitions, probably qualify as a "SJW". At least, many of my friends certainly would. I'm sure there have been people who've earnestly felt triggered that somebody didn't immediately accept their identification as some obscure thing or another, but they are exceedingly rare.

Even though it's funny, the attack helicopter bit gets a chuckle too, it pisses me off that people genuinely think it's a relevant piece of satire, when in fact what they're satirising has only ever really existed in the imaginations of neckbeards on 4chan.

[–]iron-kazanGlorious Republic Kefiristan 31ポイント32ポイント  (7子コメント)

I've rolled around in the tumblr muck for a couple of years now, and I would prefer that you were right. You're right in a way; almost nobody couches the language as "i was so triggered"—they tend to make it sound much more immediate, as if there was actual danger. Phrases like "literally shaking and crying" and "hurting people" being used in the context of innocuous things, more often than not because there was even a slight possibility of someone, anyone, being upset. Favorite example: Here's a person who is triggered by someone blogging about their healthy lifestyle—on a blog they themselves chose to follow, knowing the topic. Anyway my point here being: the satire is relevant and the idiocy is real. Hardly the fall of western civilization as people make it out to be, but it's not just a reddit circlejerk. (Pre-emptive disclaimer: yes, this is a series of screenshots pasted together. The sub where it was posted did not want direct links, so this is the image that kept being passed around.)

[–]Sabot_Noir 17ポイント18ポイント  (5子コメント)

Reading this part of me can't even believe the person complaining isn't a troll. But their opening comments were so innocuous. Trolls usually drop bait much earlier and more often.

[–]iron-kazanGlorious Republic Kefiristan 14ポイント15ポイント  (4子コメント)

I'd like to believe that it's a troll as well. But there are people on tumblr who say and believe exactly the same sort of rhetoric as this one. Madgastronomer is the most prominent on tumblr, a vile human being if ever there was one, and she has a rather devoted following. Fatlogic is also full of people who are offended by the healthy choices others make, because in their insecurity they interpret this as an attack on their lifestyle. Speaking specifically to this example, I don't find it hard to believe that a person who is upset about their weight interprets someone else's post as "showing off", gets mad, and then applies social justice terminology to it. Add and subtract other insecurities as necessary.

[–]tirion1987The Fylkirate 15ポイント16ポイント  (3子コメント)

Let the Thunderer guide them safely away from our sub's hatred of all things with a triple chin.

[–]GenesisEraBUT THAT'S HERESY 2ポイント3ポイント  (2子コメント)

Especially Karlings.

[–]ObadiahtheSlimRoman Empire 2ポイント3ポイント  (1子コメント)

A triple chinned Tumblrina called "Karl" would probably see a crusade called against <insert snowflake pronoun>.

[–]GenesisEraBUT THAT'S HERESY 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

We already hate Karlings.

No need to give us more reasons.

[–]vtheawesomeLord Of Dank 5ポイント6ポイント  (18子コメント)

Despite me not having any examples right now, I have seen people seriously claim to be triggered by silly things. But the whole thing on 4chan comes mainly from the whole trigger warning thing altogether. ]

Edit: I figured I should add, when people mention getting triggered; at least all the times I have seen it, then never actually say "I'm so triggered". You have a point about it not actually happening the way it does in the satirical posts, but its more just making fun of their actions (ie: getting offended at something for no reason)

[–]BarneyBent 5ポイント6ポイント  (17子コメント)

People can be triggered by silly things. You think a soldier with PTSD being triggered by a car backfiring is silly? Well a rape victim being triggered by something completely unrelated but which for some reason s/he associated with the experience is no less silly. Same applies to people who've been beaten and abused for their lifestyle.

Trigger warnings are important for some people. So are safe spaces. They shouldn't be EVERYWHERE, I'm a firm believer we should be able to talk about things and have any idea challenged, no matter how distressing that might be to certain people. But they need to also have the ability to insulate themselves from it. Which is exactly what trigger warnings do, gives them a chance to avoid something which will distress them. Why is that so awful?

[–]vtheawesomeLord Of Dank 16ポイント17ポイント  (8子コメント)

I think you misunderstood me. I never said that people don't get triggered by legitimately traumatizing events. What I said was that people have CLAIMED to be triggered by stupid things. Like when Melody Hensley claimed to get PTSD from twitter. Did she? No, that's just as ridiculous as saying that you got PTSD from wordpress. But some people use the word triggered as short hand to not like something, and in my mind that alienates actual victims by downplaying the severity of PTSD. To me, I can see why people would mock those that would destroy the actual meaning of something as serious like that.

[–]BarneyBent 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

Yep, there's definitely some people who do that. They are rare, and in no way reflective of the broader movement and the need for trigger warnings. Satire like this targets the whole movement and basically encourages this idea that all activists for social inclusion are misusing these concepts and basically attention seekers, which is an all too common attitude here on reddit, and is ultimately damaging.

[–]LieBaronWelfare and rødgrød med fløde for all! 1ポイント2ポイント  (6子コメント)

Melody Hensley never claimed to get PTSD from Twitter. She claimed that years of cyberstalking, including threatening phone calls and getting doxxed, gave her ptsd. She was completely misrepresented in the ensuing witchhunt.

[–]vtheawesomeLord Of Dank 5ポイント6ポイント  (5子コメント)

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2605888/Woman-claims-PTSD-Twitter-cyberstalking-says-bit-war-veterans.html

Yes, she claimed to have PTSD

[–]LieBaronWelfare and rødgrød med fløde for all! 4ポイント5ポイント  (4子コメント)

Yes, but not 'from twitter'. There's a huge difference between "mean tweets gave me PTSD" and what she actually claimed. Stalking and cyberstalking can be extremely damaging, and getting PTSD is easy.

[–]JustALittleGravitas 9ポイント10ポイント  (6子コメント)

The psychological literature on PTSD is entirely devoid of the concept of trigger warnings. Like not even against it, it's never even been studied. I'm not sure if this is something that 'neofreudians' came up with and dressed up their usual false authority or an outright lie, but either way you're getting suckered if you really believe there's any reason to think trigger warning will benefit (or fail to benefit, or avoid causing harm to) people with PTSD.

[–]Galle_CotC mod dev 5ポイント6ポイント  (3子コメント)

It's not devoid of the concept of triggers, though. Trigger warnings are just being polite.

And, I mean, come on. Worst case scenario, you have to read some extra words, which you'll probably just glaze over anyway.

[–]JustALittleGravitas 3ポイント4ポイント  (0子コメント)

No, worst case scenario you make things drastically worse for sufferers of PTSD. At least some people with PTSD have problems with trigger warnings (I've heard both from people who say that trigger warnings are more triggering that the content they warn about and people who say it makes the entire book/movie distressing instead of just the supposedly triggering part, I have no idea if these are rare or common side effects because its NEVER BEEN STUDIED).

That's without considering the stuff /u/lafielle brings up, regardless of the neofreudian or outright lie origin, the way they're being used doesn't match up. There are no large protests to get warnings on works about natural disasters, but plenty about Classical literature that they find offensive.

[–]lafielle 12ポイント13ポイント  (1子コメント)

The reality is that "trigger warnings" aren't being introduced to spare genuine sufferers of PTSD. They are being introduced to help control "undesirable" speech and to keep people from hearing ideas that are contrary to their beliefs.

The word "warning" itself already encodes this. The topic that you are warned about is a "dangerous" topic - otherwise why would it need a warning in the first place?

Moreover, they don't just give that warning to the audience either. The authors and organizers of debates themselves are not immune to the effect of placing and seeing trigger warnings on their material, and being regularly reminded that their speech might "trigger" people, and that it is their responsibility to warn about this, will make them self-censor to limit the "impact" their words might have on others as well as the places where they bring those words forward.

But the most glaring evidence that "trigger warnings" are politically motivated is by the topics which are given "trigger warnings" versus the ones which are not. For example "rape" is given a trigger warning, but "homosexuality" is not. And yet, homosexuality may be exactly what triggers male-on-male rape victims.

Would it really be considered "just being polite" if all books on homosexuality contained the words "Homosexuality warning" on them?

Just as such warnings about homosexuality give off the idea that discussing homosexuality is somehow not acceptable in polite company, so too trigger warnings about rape, racial violence and abuse give the message that discussing those topics - that is, questioning the existing narrative - is somehow less acceptable than discussing other topics. That you need to censor yourself, and warn others, before you speak of them.

And that brings us back to the original point for which trigger warnings were created. Not to protect people with PTSD, but to give off the idea that the topics they are discussing are "dangerous", so that they might limit their discussion of them, and so that those with different opinions on these topics might be more easily dismissed as "extremists" or "out of control" when they make their full argument to the already reduced crowd of those who don't leave after the warning.

Trigger warnings are a method by which to control people from saying what they want to say, under the misguided idea that one persons freedom of speech ends where another persons feelings begin.

And when it comes to controlling free speech, reading some extra words is -far- from the worst case scenario.

[–]undercoveryankee 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

I don't doubt that some people who live with PTSD have experienced symptoms from unexpectedly reading or hearing about a topic with similarities to their trauma. If you have numerous people who might be affected in your audience, it would be polite to give them a chance to apply whatever management strategy works for them.

It got silly when people who wanted to be seen as considerate and sensitive above all else got hold of the idea without fully understanding it. "If people who might need to take precautions are common in your audience" evolved into "If you can imagine any reason why someone might need to take precautions".

Even though the original idea is sound, many of the practical manifestations have descended to the level of self-parody. It's those abuses of the idea that are worthy targets of satire.

[–]Aifendragon 2ポイント3ポイント  (1子コメント)

Well, despite the evidence being anecdotal, a lot of survivors of trauma do say they find an improvement; not because it allows them to avoid troubling content, but because it allows them to interact with it at a time of their choosing, reading it when they're at home and relaxed rather than being blindsided by it on a lunch-break. It is a politeness thing, and I do feel they get over-represented more by those opposed to them than by anyone else.

Although, as always, I will grant there are extremist views everywhere, and at least some of them who advocate for them are more than a little bit... over-enthusiastic, shall we say.

[–]JustALittleGravitas 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

And others say it makes things worse. There is no data to say which reaction is more common.

[–]RefreshNinja 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

I've seen it used earnestly on rpg.net. It was a big thing there in my last few years on that forum.

[–]BoltonApologist -1ポイント0ポイント  (0子コメント)

Zoroastrian privilege is being able to make your relationship with your sister public knowledge and get applauded for it.

[–]OriginalPostSearcher 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

X-Post referenced from /r/4chan by /u/Brckndrp
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