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[–]RobinIsAGoodfellow 25ポイント26ポイント  (52子コメント)

I agree NHPC chapters' pledges put on great probates - and I would suspect the team work and practice required is helpful in building and bonding the pledge class.

Why, though, are probates almost uniformly applauded by most colleges as tradition, and yet IFC fraternities are accused of hazing for requiring their pledges to carry red notebooks?

Maybe you have some insight into what seems to me a double standard.

Thanks.

[–]aj2694[S] 3ポイント4ポイント  (3子コメント)

That is an interesting question. I'll admit it is a double standard but never heard of a situation like that in Louisiana so I can't really provide an anwser. The most I can tell you is that a probate or "new member presentation" is "optional" as far as schools and nationals are concerned.

[–]RobinIsAGoodfellow 4ポイント5ポイント  (2子コメント)

Thanks for responding - I appreciate your perspective. It's a puzzling issue for me, and for many IFC fraternity men. I was hoping you could provide some justification for the double standard beyond "reverse discrimination" or the "soft bigotry of low expectations."

"Optional" or Voluntary is not a defense against hazing charges, as you know, and as every college Dean knows. Your Nationals website has an anti-hazing pledge that your Nationals says every single Active must sign. That pledge vows that you will report any potential hazing to BOTH the college administration AND to law enforcement. http://www.phibetasigma1914.org/wp-content/uploads/2012/forms/anti-hazing/2012Antihazingpledge.pdf http://www.phibetasigma1914.org/anti-hazing/

Can you point me to an example of a pledge who refused to participate in Probate, who was still initiated, and who remained in good standing with the fraternity after refusing to participate?

Can you point me to an example of a Phi Beta Sigma brother reporting ANY hazing to both the campus dean and to law enforcement?

[–]aj2694[S] 1ポイント2ポイント  (1子コメント)

For my own organization, no I haven't seen anyone refuse to probate but another NPHC member on my campus did not probate, is still an official member and is in good respects with his organization. And yes there are multiple incidents of a member of Phi Beta Sigma reporting hazing to authorities, even if it is their own chapter.

[–]RobinIsAGoodfellow 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

That's interesting, and reflects well on your chapter that a new guy refused to probate, and yet was still initiated and treated as any other brother. Good on you.

Since reports to law enforcement would result in a public record, can you give me a specific case or two where Phi Beta Sigma members reported hazing - location, date, what was the hazing, what was the result of the law enforcement report (arrests, trials, fines, etc). I have never heard of an NHPC chapter reporting hazing - not to a college and not to law enforcement - and I'd like to be proven wrong.

[–]JohnOBrosleyΣΑΕ 19ポイント20ポイント  (47子コメント)

Because it is racist to put any sort of sanction on blacks.

/s

[–]ImpuneΦΚΣ 3ポイント4ポイント  (0子コメント)

To answer your question: no, there's not much NPHC activity in /r/frat. I'm guessing that's just due to probability; there are far fewer NPHC fraternities/members out there. (Same reason you don't see that many Skulls here, we're a smaller fraternity.)

[–]Your_EskimoBroΤΚΕ 5ポイント6ポイント  (3子コメント)

Not an NPHC fraternity, but you guys have a pretty cool probate.

[–]frating 3ポイント4ポイント  (0子コメント)

Love the Sigmas on my campus! Super cool dudes.

[–]fresh_kicksΔΣΦ 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

We have a Phi beta Sigma (Sigma?) chapter at my school. They've only had one guy for the past two years because apparently the pledge process is secret and all year and fucking impossible. Decent guy this year and I think he's getting a few pnms

[–]Blash300 3ポイント4ポイント  (4子コメント)

Sup cuzzo.

[–]aj2694[S] 2ポイント3ポイント  (3子コメント)

Sigma Lambda Beta?

[–]Blash300 3ポイント4ポイント  (2子コメント)

Yes.

[–]aj2694[S] 4ポイント5ポイント  (1子コメント)

Wuz up Cuzzo. We don't have any Betas in Louisiana but I Def rock with the Firm Fam

[–]Blash300 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

Definitely man. I'm In Texas and the firm is pretty strong down here

[–]FRALEWHALEΒΘΠ 0ポイント1ポイント  (1子コメント)

Do you know of any places to learn more about the history of the NPHC fraternities? I'm looking to broaden the horizons of the pledges and teach them about NPHC but so far I haven't found a good resource. Any tips?

[–]aj2694[S] 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

One book we had to read was The Divine Nine by Lawrence Ross. It's gives a detailed history about the council as a whole and about each member organization. Also there are thousands of websites that give information about our council.

[–]ExtraSquats4dathots 0ポイント1ポイント  (1子コメント)

Gomab. Sp 13 Delta Nu U of Memphis.

[–]aj2694[S] 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

GOMAB Fall 14 Iota Lambda University of New Orleans Solo Ace