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Any NPHC Frats here? (self.Frat)
aj2694 が 29日前 投稿
Just asking out of curiosity. Do see much about NPHC on here. I'm a brother of Phi Beta Sigma Fraternity, Inc.
[–]RobinIsAGoodfellow 25ポイント26ポイント27ポイント 29日前 (52子コメント)
I agree NHPC chapters' pledges put on great probates - and I would suspect the team work and practice required is helpful in building and bonding the pledge class.
Why, though, are probates almost uniformly applauded by most colleges as tradition, and yet IFC fraternities are accused of hazing for requiring their pledges to carry red notebooks?
Maybe you have some insight into what seems to me a double standard.
Thanks.
[–]aj2694[S] 3ポイント4ポイント5ポイント 29日前 (3子コメント)
That is an interesting question. I'll admit it is a double standard but never heard of a situation like that in Louisiana so I can't really provide an anwser. The most I can tell you is that a probate or "new member presentation" is "optional" as far as schools and nationals are concerned.
[–]RobinIsAGoodfellow 4ポイント5ポイント6ポイント 29日前* (2子コメント)
Thanks for responding - I appreciate your perspective. It's a puzzling issue for me, and for many IFC fraternity men. I was hoping you could provide some justification for the double standard beyond "reverse discrimination" or the "soft bigotry of low expectations."
"Optional" or Voluntary is not a defense against hazing charges, as you know, and as every college Dean knows. Your Nationals website has an anti-hazing pledge that your Nationals says every single Active must sign. That pledge vows that you will report any potential hazing to BOTH the college administration AND to law enforcement. http://www.phibetasigma1914.org/wp-content/uploads/2012/forms/anti-hazing/2012Antihazingpledge.pdf http://www.phibetasigma1914.org/anti-hazing/
Can you point me to an example of a pledge who refused to participate in Probate, who was still initiated, and who remained in good standing with the fraternity after refusing to participate?
Can you point me to an example of a Phi Beta Sigma brother reporting ANY hazing to both the campus dean and to law enforcement?
[–]aj2694[S] 1ポイント2ポイント3ポイント 29日前 (1子コメント)
For my own organization, no I haven't seen anyone refuse to probate but another NPHC member on my campus did not probate, is still an official member and is in good respects with his organization. And yes there are multiple incidents of a member of Phi Beta Sigma reporting hazing to authorities, even if it is their own chapter.
[–]RobinIsAGoodfellow 0ポイント1ポイント2ポイント 28日前 (0子コメント)
That's interesting, and reflects well on your chapter that a new guy refused to probate, and yet was still initiated and treated as any other brother. Good on you.
Since reports to law enforcement would result in a public record, can you give me a specific case or two where Phi Beta Sigma members reported hazing - location, date, what was the hazing, what was the result of the law enforcement report (arrests, trials, fines, etc). I have never heard of an NHPC chapter reporting hazing - not to a college and not to law enforcement - and I'd like to be proven wrong.
[–]JohnOBrosleyΣΑΕ 19ポイント20ポイント21ポイント 29日前 (47子コメント)
Because it is racist to put any sort of sanction on blacks.
/s
[+]Hk37ΑΤΩ スコアが基準値未満のコメント-27ポイント-26ポイント-25ポイント 29日前 (46子コメント)
"Hilarious" dismissive comment about racial issues ΣΑΕ flair
"Hilarious" dismissive comment about racial issues
ΣΑΕ flair
Why am I not fucking surprised?
[–]JohnOBrosleyΣΑΕ 28ポイント29ポイント30ポイント 29日前 (44子コメント)
Gets mad about a "racist" comment Discriminates based on fraternity letters
Gets mad about a "racist" comment
Discriminates based on fraternity letters
[+]Hk37ΑΤΩ スコアが基準値未満のコメント-23ポイント-22ポイント-21ポイント 29日前 (43子コメント)
I'm not discriminating. All I'm saying is that I'm not surprised that a person who voluntarily joined an organization that brags about its members' participation in the defense of slavery and treason and has more than a few shitheads in its ranks is himself a shithead.
[–]JohnOBrosleyΣΑΕ 12ポイント13ポイント14ポイント 29日前 (21子コメント)
Yea, that's what discrimination means.
[+]Hk37ΑΤΩ スコアが基準値未満のコメント-8ポイント-7ポイント-6ポイント 29日前 (20子コメント)
No, it doesn't. Neither by a dictionary definition of the word nor by your usage does it mean that. Discrimination, according to the dictionary, is
treatment or consideration of, or making a distinction in favor of or against, a person or thing based on the group, class, or category to which that person or thing belongs rather than on individual merit: racial and religious intolerance and discrimination.
I saw your comment before your flair. When I saw that you are part of an organization that celebrates its racist traitors, it made much more sense. And it is not prejudiced to assume that a person that is voluntarily part of an organization supports that organization's policies either explicitly or implicitly, because doing things that support an organization lead directly to support of its policies.
To put it plainly, You made a racist comments, and that is the true regardless of your membership. However, it doesn't surprise me that you are racist because you are a dues-paying member of a fraternity that celebrates its racist traitor members specifically for being racists and traitors.
[–]JohnOBrosleyΣΑΕ 9ポイント10ポイント11ポイント 29日前* (11子コメント)
And it is not prejudiced to assume that a person that is voluntarily part of an organization supports that organization's policies either explicitly or implicitly, because doing things that support an organization lead directly to support of its policies.
DUDE THAT IS EXACTLY WHAT DISCRIMINATION AND PREJUDICE IS
Also I have no idea what you're talking about... "a fraternity that celebrates its racist traitor members specifically for being racists and traitors" what the fuck? We definitely don't, as a national fraternity, celebrate the confederacy. If some members do, that's fine I guess, I don't really care because I'm not a little bitch.
edit: Also you know "/s" means sarcasm right? You're having a huge retarded argument and crying because of a simple, topical joke I made.
[+]Hk37ΑΤΩ スコアが基準値未満のコメント-12ポイント-11ポイント-10ポイント 29日前 (10子コメント)
No, it isn't. By being a member of ΣΑΕ, you are paying dues to the ΣΑΕ Nationals, an organization which glorifies those members which fought to keep slavery legal in the United States. You are directly financially supporting an organization, allowing it to continue its dog-whistle message of racism and discrimination. Hating racists for being racist is not discrimination in any meaningful sense of the word.
[–]JohnOBrosleyΣΑΕ 4ポイント5ポイント6ポイント 29日前 (9子コメント)
Dude you're literally making shit up. SAE doesn't glorify the south.
[–]RobinIsAGoodfellow 5ポイント6ポイント7ポイント 29日前* (7子コメント)
celebrates its racist traitor members specifically for being racists and traitors.
And now you've offended my heritage.
If you're really in college, please take a US History class before you opine stupidly on the South and the Confederacy again.
The original Articles of Confederation specified a "Perpetual Union" of the States. But when the Articles of Confederation were abandoned (in a secession of all 13 States from that "Perpetual Union") and a new Constitution was written in Philadelphia, no such clause was written into the new Constitution. Most scholars believe that States ratified the US Constitution with the understanding they could withdraw from its union. Many States would not have ratified the Constitution with a clause constraining their withdrawal in perpetuity. So the Secession of the Confederate States was no more "treason" than was the secession of ALL States from the Articles of Confederation (with its "Perpetual Union") as the new Constitution was being drafted (without the "Perpetual Union" clause). The Sovereign States acted in the best interest of their people - in 1787 in Philadelphia at the Constitutional Convention, and again in 1860, beginning in South Carolina. My ancestors were patriots, loyal to their States and their lands, at a time when a distant Federal Government invaded their lands, burned their homes and crops and churches in a scorched earth campaign, committed unspeakable War Crimes against women, children and noncombatants, and then punished the South economically and politically for generations.
[+]Hk37ΑΤΩ スコアが基準値未満のコメント-10ポイント-9ポイント-8ポイント 29日前 (4子コメント)
Do not fucking condescend to me on American history. Your historical and political knowledge is sorely lacking and tainted with Southern bias. Firstly, A state exist to serve and protect it's citizens. Cannot do this if the borders of the state are constantly uncertain, and the constituent parts of the state are constantly fighting with each other. If the states that currently send more money to the federal government then they receive decided to secede tomorrow, leaving the other states behind, it would cause chaos. The ideas of the Articles of Confederation were still extant at the time of the Constitution's creation. However, the federal government needed more power in order to keep the union from dissolving. The Constitution was created in order to keep the country together; allowing states to secede at will if they didn't like the policies of the government would be disastrous and and antithecal to the reason for the constitution in the first place. Besides, the constitution says,
We the People of the United States, in Order to form a more perfect Union…,
Not,
We the People of the United States, in Order to form a more perfect Union(revocable by a minority of the population)
In 1869, Salmon P. Chase wrote the majority opinion for the Supreme Court's decision in Texas V. White. He said of the same words,
It is difficult to convey the idea of indissoluble unity more clearly than by these words.
Suffice to say, the Supreme Court's opinion matters more than unnamed "scholars".
Secession did not benefit the average southerner. Instead, it benefited the rich white southerners who owned most of the slaves. Only about one in five southern families owned a slave. The people who were deciding whether or not to secede were not thinking of the interests of the average southerner, or even the interest of the average white southerner. Instead, they were thinking about the interests of the landed white minority that was the political class, i.e., themselves. They saw Lincoln as being a slave lover, so the seceded to protect their own interests, not the those of the people at large. Keep in mind, this is before Lincoln was even inaugurated, so they had no idea what his policies would actually be.
If by,
unspeakable war crimes,
You mean that there weren't any to speak of, you're right. Atlanta was burned by Confederate soldiers trying to deny the resources of the CD to the Union Army. Sherman's Army seized resources such as food for the soldiers, and destroyed matériel like railroads and telegraphs that could be used for obviously military purposes. While there are some accounts of widespread destruction, these are mostly made by white rich southerners in the years after the war, who had an axe to grind with the union. The army did not kill noncombatants intentionally or in large numbers.
The south was not,
punished politically for generations.
The South had an outsized amount of representation in the United States Congress for years before the Civil War, and after the Civil War, they were simply cut down to size, rather than being disenfranchised.
TL;DR: you fucked with the wrong Yankee.
[–]TeemoSelanneΣΠ 9ポイント10ポイント11ポイント 29日前 (0子コメント)
Just because you type a lot doesn't make you right lmao
[–]Yes_Its_Me_WillΘΧ 6ポイント7ポイント8ポイント 29日前 (0子コメント)
What kind of bottom tier west coast shitty fraternity gave you a bid?
[–]RobinIsAGoodfellow 1ポイント2ポイント3ポイント 29日前 (1子コメント)
Ok, my last effort, then you get the last word.
We the People of the United States, in Order to form a more perfect Union
Yes, more perfect than the Articles of Confederation that required perpetual fealty.
The decisions of the Supreme Court were then, as now, just as rooted in politics as they were (are) in Constitutional Law.
unspeakable war crimes
One word. Sherman.
punished politically for generations
Carpetbaggers
And you are right, if I have fucked a Yankee, I have committed a sin against my fathers and my fathers' fathers.
The last word is yours, Yankee.
[+]didledΘΧ スコアが基準値未満のコメント-7ポイント-6ポイント-5ポイント 29日前 (1子コメント)
No it was definitely a treasonous act thick and through
[–]relee1865 1ポイント2ポイント3ポイント 29日前 (0子コメント)
Oh good, I always enjoy doing this
trea·son ˈtrēzən/ noun the crime of betraying one's country, especially by attempting to kill the sovereign or overthrow the government.
[–]nickowazΑΤΩ 4ポイント5ポイント6ポイント 29日前 (15子コメント)
L&R but you're judging somebody based on their letters. That's just as bad as the previous posters
[+]Hk37ΑΤΩ スコアが基準値未満のコメント-14ポイント-13ポイント-12ポイント 29日前 (14子コメント)
No, I'm not. I judged him before I saw his flair. But his letters are unsurprising. ΣΑΕ brags about having the first Confederate casualties of the Civil War. Him paying money to be part of a racist organization makes it unsurprising that he would hold casually racist beliefs in his personal life.
[–]nickowazΑΤΩ 5ポイント6ポイント7ポイント 29日前 (13子コメント)
That's like saying if I buy a sandwich at Chick Filet that makes me homophobic.
[+]Hk37ΑΤΩ スコアが基準値未満のコメント-14ポイント-13ポイント-12ポイント 29日前 (12子コメント)
It's the same principle. If you buy things from a company, you are implicitly saying to that company that you like their actions and want them continue doing them. If you buy a sandwich from Chick-Fil-A, it is saying, "I value eating this sandwich more than I value how the company will spend this money, even if it spends it on supporting causes I don't like." That's basic economics.
[–]nickowazΑΤΩ 5ポイント6ポイント7ポイント 29日前 (4子コメント)
That's not economics at all
[–]JohnOBrosleyΣΑΕ 2ポイント3ポイント4ポイント 29日前 (1子コメント)
Or maybe I'm not a neckbeard social justice warrior and just want to eat a fucking sandwich from Chick-Fil-A? Ever consider that?
[–]RobinIsAGoodfellow 1ポイント2ポイント3ポイント 29日前 (3子コメント)
Or maybe I celebrate every citizen's Rights under the Constitution and Bill of Rights - specifically the late Truett Cathy's Right to practice his religion, and his corporation's Right (under Citizen's United) to express their Founder's beliefs through their philanthropy. Chick-fil-A never discriminated in hiring - never asked employees or customers if they were gay - but the company did fund non-profit and advocacy organizations that pressed the beliefs their Founder and the company itself had a Right to express. Would you prefer that some people's Rights were subordinate to other people's Rights? If so, who gets to decide?
[–]Manakel93ΛΧΑ 0ポイント1ポイント2ポイント 29日前 (0子コメント)
So you're totally ok with child sweatshop labor then, by that logic.
[–]Willie_Waylon_and_MeΑΓΡ 1ポイント2ポイント3ポイント 28日前 (4子コメント)
Our ATO just lost all their privileges for a year because they were caught water boarding pledges. By your logic, because you have ATO letters, you support water boarding pledges.
[–]Hk37ΑΤΩ -1ポイント0ポイント1ポイント 27日前 (3子コメント)
Do you really not see a difference between a chapter doing something that the Nationals condemns and the national organization doing something? ATO nationals doesn't support waterboarding pledges, and the chapter that did that was rightfully suspended. SAE Nationals condones and celebrates the actions of racist traitors.
[–]Willie_Waylon_and_MeΑΓΡ 1ポイント2ポイント3ポイント 27日前 (2子コメント)
Holy fucking shit. How did you get a bid?
[–]Hk37ΑΤΩ -2ポイント-1ポイント0ポイント 27日前 (1子コメント)
It wasn't by being a sniveling coward who defends racists, which raises the question of how the fuck you got one.
[–]Willie_Waylon_and_MeΑΓΡ 0ポイント1ポイント2ポイント 27日前 (0子コメント)
Keep growing that neckbeard kiddo
[–]didledΘΧ -4ポイント-3ポイント-2ポイント 29日前 (0子コメント)
I saw it coming a mile away, hes pretty known for being somewhat racist. If not explicit think of "diet racism"
[–]ImpuneΦΚΣ 3ポイント4ポイント5ポイント 29日前 (0子コメント)
To answer your question: no, there's not much NPHC activity in /r/frat. I'm guessing that's just due to probability; there are far fewer NPHC fraternities/members out there. (Same reason you don't see that many Skulls here, we're a smaller fraternity.)
[–]Your_EskimoBroΤΚΕ 5ポイント6ポイント7ポイント 29日前 (3子コメント)
Not an NPHC fraternity, but you guys have a pretty cool probate.
[+]Gingrich2016 スコアが基準値未満のコメント-9ポイント-8ポイント-7ポイント 29日前 (2子コメント)
Classic TKE
[–]Your_EskimoBroΤΚΕ 6ポイント7ポイント8ポイント 29日前 (1子コメント)
I mean, it's pretty neat tradition that they did at my school.
[–]aj2694[S] 4ポイント5ポイント6ポイント 29日前 (0子コメント)
Probate shows are a national thing. Almost everyone in NPHC has one. Thanks for the compliment
[–]frating 3ポイント4ポイント5ポイント 29日前 (0子コメント)
Love the Sigmas on my campus! Super cool dudes.
[–]fresh_kicksΔΣΦ 2ポイント3ポイント4ポイント 29日前 (0子コメント)
We have a Phi beta Sigma (Sigma?) chapter at my school. They've only had one guy for the past two years because apparently the pledge process is secret and all year and fucking impossible. Decent guy this year and I think he's getting a few pnms
[–]Blash300 3ポイント4ポイント5ポイント 29日前 (4子コメント)
Sup cuzzo.
[–]aj2694[S] 2ポイント3ポイント4ポイント 29日前 (3子コメント)
Sigma Lambda Beta?
[–]Blash300 3ポイント4ポイント5ポイント 29日前 (2子コメント)
Yes.
[–]aj2694[S] 4ポイント5ポイント6ポイント 28日前 (1子コメント)
Wuz up Cuzzo. We don't have any Betas in Louisiana but I Def rock with the Firm Fam
[–]Blash300 2ポイント3ポイント4ポイント 28日前 (0子コメント)
Definitely man. I'm In Texas and the firm is pretty strong down here
[–]FRALEWHALEΒΘΠ 0ポイント1ポイント2ポイント 25日前 (1子コメント)
Do you know of any places to learn more about the history of the NPHC fraternities? I'm looking to broaden the horizons of the pledges and teach them about NPHC but so far I haven't found a good resource. Any tips?
[–]aj2694[S] 0ポイント1ポイント2ポイント 25日前 (0子コメント)
One book we had to read was The Divine Nine by Lawrence Ross. It's gives a detailed history about the council as a whole and about each member organization. Also there are thousands of websites that give information about our council.
[–]ExtraSquats4dathots 0ポイント1ポイント2ポイント 6日前 (1子コメント)
Gomab. Sp 13 Delta Nu U of Memphis.
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GOMAB Fall 14 Iota Lambda University of New Orleans Solo Ace
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