全 48 件のコメント

[–]I-Am-The-HivemindAXP 94ポイント95ポイント  (33子コメント)

Can we cut the shit? Our organizations are FOUNDED on gendered concepts. We are mens only organizations. End of story. We shouldn't have to apologize for that. That is why we exist--as gendered spaces for men to express masculinity without apology. Often this takes the form of toxic masculinity which includes misogyny etc., and this should be condemned. But there is nothing inherently toxic about not wanting to accept someone who deviates from our gendered structure. We are not saying that trans people are freaks. We are not denying their dignity nor are we denying their right to respect and their right to exist. We are protecting our space. We have a right to do that. Women have a right to gendered spaces as well. No one gives half of a shit about gyms for women, clubs for women, greek organizations FOR women, etc. Can we just cut the bullshit and acknowledge that transexual people are less than 1% of the population and we do not need to REMAKE society to accommodate them. We have a right to our traditional structures.

[–]RobinIsAGoodfellow 7ポイント8ポイント  (0子コメント)

Very well said, very well reasoned, and very true - I want /u/I-Am-The-Hivemind on my team.

[–]R3xzAcacia/AKAK -1ポイント0ポイント  (0子コメント)

I would pretty much give a variation of this tirade whenever someone would get offended that I'm a part of a fraternity and that I partake in normal activities that the majority of men in our society do when they get together. It's fucking ridiculous that you even have to explain to people that fraternities has always been a gendered institution.

[–]Rimmmer93 34ポイント35ポイント  (8子コメント)

So there are 12 transgender people at this school, which is 25% Greek, and they are raising an issue because there are 0 trams people? How many of them rushed? How many of them expressed interest in rushing? I don't see how this is a big issue unless a potential person was turned down from joining a fraternity based soley on whether they were trans or not

[–]hmblr[S] 4ポイント5ポイント  (2子コメント)

just posting as topic for conversation.

[–]Rimmmer93 10ポイント11ポイント  (1子コメント)

I'm not attacking you, and I apologize if it came off that way. I always find it ridiculous when an issue is raised saying "frats and sororities are racist and homophobic and transphobic because they don't represent those minorities" when people from those minorities don't join. I understand that people say that there are further systematic issues, but most fraternities on my campus are more than open to any minority they believe will help their chapter

[–]hmblr[S] 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

No problem. The comments in the campus newspaper site are interesting too.

In the article, there's some upset by some students that they can't get into private parties. First world problems.

[–]ImpuneΦΚΣ 0ポイント1ポイント  (1子コメント)

So there are 12 transgender people at this school...

There are 12 members of the Penn Non-Cis club. The article doesn't offer an estimate of how many transgender people are enrolled at the university.

Otherwise, you raise good points.

[–]lrrlrrΣΑM 3ポイント4ポイント  (0子コメント)

It still begs the point, 12 is by no means a representative sample to base the claim off of.

[–]optimal_optimistΣΧ 1ポイント2ポイント  (2子コメント)

As a counterpoint, it's a Fraternities responsibility to reach out to students and encourage them to rush, which may have been missing here. Plenty of my brothers would have never thought about rushing except for someone reaching out to them and convincing them to come to one event.

0 out of 12 is statistically meaningless though, especially with correlation between them (they're all part of the same club). Does not show any discrimination on the part of the fraternities.

[–]Rimmmer93 7ポイント8ポイント  (0子コメント)

Yes, all fraternities are supposed to encourage people to rush, but that's more on a large scale. That's being open to the community so I suppose of fraternities really wanted this type if invovlement (LGBTQ) involved, they would have the club come and speak. That would help ease the idea that LGBTQ individuals are not welcome in Greek life. I guess that's the way I would approach the whole "encourage people to rush" problem. On a more personal level, if I met someone during move in, etc and liked them, them being a trans gender individual probably wouldn't dissuade me too much if they showed they could be a productive member of our house

[–]corporat 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

How much time should members, who are full time students, spend in order to specifically reach out to a dozen or so people? How much forethought and planning would it take to do it right? Compare that with how many more pledges the chapters think they'd get from it. One or two? They probably don't try it because they think it's an ineffective use of time.

[–]Miels88 3ポイント4ポイント  (1子コメント)

I'm from Canada and most of the Frats around me have LGBT friendly signs in their windows where gay and transmen are accepted if they make the cut. I don't know much about the atmosphere in various regions of the US, though I'm sure that in certain areas there are plenty of Greek organizations are very open-minded and don't give a shit about your past, and in others you'll find a more conservative and parochial environment that will tell men who don't conform to a cis/hetero identity to fuck off.

[–]RallyMech 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

In other news, water is wet. For being a center of higher education, you'd think square peg/round hole would be easily understood.

[–]TickingOrange 0ポイント1ポイント  (1子コメント)

Wow. I'm really surprised by these comments. I'm happy I live in a state that doesn't care if you're trans. If your documents say male, well congrats, if the fraternity likes you then you're in. I know multiple transgender people in Greek life, and it's normal ones too, not lgbtq or coed ones either. Yeesh you guys.

[–]buttwhole_keyi_ma 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

Bigotry dies hard. Trans people will have to go through the same struggle as gays. At my fraternity (at an elite liberal school even) there were no openly gay brothers.