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[–]BecomingTheArchtypeVault 13 291ポイント292ポイント293ポイント 6時間前 (71子コメント)
Oh thank god it won't be like skyrim on PS3 all over again.
[–]ThePotatoKing 61ポイント62ポイント63ポイント 5時間前 (41子コメント)
i doubt they would ever let that happen again.
[–]BecomingTheArchtypeVault 13 128ポイント129ポイント130ポイント 5時間前 (40子コメント)
The delays were mostly not Bethesdas fault. Ps3s system was stupidly complicated. PS4 System is very similar to Xbox so it will be easier to release both.
[–]A_Flaming_BananaRaven Rock was a inside job. 3ポイント4ポイント5ポイント 59分前 (1子コメント)
and they are just unpowered pc basically now.
[–]SingleLensReflex 1ポイント2ポイント3ポイント 7分前 (0子コメント)
Well, no. They're still very, VERY different from a computer where it counts in making games.
[+]MAKE_ME_REDDIT スコアが基準値未満のコメント-68ポイント-67ポイント-66ポイント 4時間前 (37子コメント)
Other developers worked around the system much better. Just saying "because it was hard it wasn't their fault" is a gross oversimplification. If they were having trouble with it then they should have waited until both were ready.
[–]Jankinator 58ポイント59ポイント60ポイント 4時間前 (4子コメント)
Then Arkham Knight wouldn't even been released yet since it still isn't completely fixed on PC.
[+]RathgartheUglyMoo, I say. スコアが基準値未満のコメント-17ポイント-16ポイント-15ポイント 3時間前 (3子コメント)
I wish it weren't released yet. At this point I don't even think I'll bother playing it because of how let down I've been by my attempts so far. They would have been better off delaying it forever.
[–]nosplet 19ポイント20ポイント21ポイント 3時間前 (1子コメント)
So you haven't played it yet? You'd rather have nothing than an optional something?
I had a great time playing Arkham Knight. I encountered almost zero bugs. The game isn't totally broken on every platform because it's buggy on another.
[–]RathgartheUglyMoo, I say. 1ポイント2ポイント3ポイント 40分前 (0子コメント)
I have played it. Ten frames per second is indeed worse than nothing, because nothing is free.
[–]Jankinator 2ポイント3ポイント4ポイント 3時間前 (0子コメント)
It shouldn't have been released on PC until it was ready. But sales have been suspended on PC for quite some time. But the PC version should have also been ready within a reasonable time of the console release. There were a lot of problems with how the whole situation was handled.
[–]LkMMoDC 12ポイント13ポイント14ポイント 4時間前 (29子コメント)
Other developers don't create massive worlds either. Bethesda released the games at the same date, did they not? One platform shouldn't have to wait for all the DLC because another is unnecessarily complex.
This logic here is the same logic that is holding games back. Consoles post 2007 have just hindered the gaming community. Not trying to be a PC elitist but the time it takes to develop a game for console compared to PC and the time it takes to optimize on that specialized crappy hardware also takes 10x longer than it does on PC. The only reason developers put up with it is due to the majority of the player base being on consoles.
end rant.
[+]RoadRunnerdnconsole peasant スコアが基準値未満のコメント-21ポイント-20ポイント-19ポイント 4時間前 (28子コメント)
time it takes to develop a game for console compared to PC
They are no different any longer.
Edit* Not to mention it's easier to optimize a game for console since they only need to optimize it for one set of hardware instead of 2 billion combinations.
[–]LkMMoDC 6ポイント7ポイント8ポイント 3時間前 (27子コメント)
You just eat up the consumer bullshit. Not saying anything against yourself as that does come off rather douchey. Today you will learn something.
Development time for consoles is actually A LOT longer than development time for PC. Yes, it is standardized hardware BUT it is crap hardware. You will need to spend time squashing little bugs and micro adjusting shading, pixels & all that crap because the consoles can't render too much at once. It also takes a lot longer to make sure only what is in camera is rendered and not the whole enviroment. While on PC you can account for better hardware meaning you don't have to micro adjust everything.
Another misconception. Optimizing for 2 billion combonations. False. You optimize for a set core amount & clock amount, then a set shader core, cuda/stream processor count, set vram amount, set clock speed for the gpu, and 1 of 2 drivers and so on. You optimize for the level of the hardware. Not the hardware itself. They also have to do this EXACT SAME PROCESS for consoles but it has to be done for MUCH LOWER END HARDWARE. I don't know how to drill this into anyones head but the development for console has the same steps as PC and more. If games were just developed for a more open platform like PC development times would be much lower than if they just had to develop for console.
Sorry for the rant but you tried to give me some consumer bullshit.
[–]RoadRunnerdnconsole peasant 5ポイント6ポイント7ポイント 3時間前* (23子コメント)
crap hardware. account for better hardware
crap hardware.
account for better hardware
I know the current gen console harware is bad but it sounds like you believe every single person with a pc owns a fucking GTX 990 with everything to go along with that. There are still a fucktonne of people that has worse pc specs than the current consoles.
And yes. PC optimization has been streamlined thanks to things like DirectX but that doesn't make it easier than doing it for consoles. There can still arise specific problems with some hardware.
Edit* Your entire post turns everything I said against hardware optimization rather than the actual optimization itself and you claim that open platform developing is somehow easier than closed platform although I have never seen anything that supports this. Of course there's other positives that an open platform provides but that's not really part of pur discussion.
[–]dyetalian 1ポイント2ポイント3ポイント 24分前 (1子コメント)
You're on the wrong subreddit, buddy. I've been downvoted to oblivion here before just for saying I own a PS4.
It's very PC-centric on any gaming board on Reddit, especially when it comes to a series that benefits from modding as heavily as Fallout does.
[–]RoadRunnerdnconsole peasant 0ポイント1ポイント2ポイント 15分前 (0子コメント)
I've been downvoted to oblivion
So what, it's only fake internet points. The pc community is extremely toxic against anything console related and you can't just let them stomp everything into the ground. Let them know us console users are part of this community too.
I fucking love Fallout. And I'm gonna get it on console. Anyone who tells me I can't enjoy it because "it's not enjoyable" can choke on a dick.
[–]LkMMoDC 2ポイント3ポイント4ポイント 3時間前 (8子コメント)
When I say PC hardware is a ton better I am comparing cards like the 7870 ($80) to the consoles equivalent of a 7750. Also... the GTX 990 doesn't exist. You don't need a good GPU to have something better than what consoles have. The "current gen" consoles have a 4 year old GPU inside of them that wasn't even expensive at it's time of launch. Now adays you could build a $500 PC that has hardware 5x faster than the "current gen" consoles hardware but it won't perform as fast because developers spent too much time on console games then porting them to PC.
[–]Gnome__Chompsky 3ポイント4ポイント5ポイント 1時間前 (7子コメント)
The most commonly used graphics hardware on Steam is Intel HD 4000, the Haswell-generation integrated graphics. An old GPU is better then no GPU.
[–]ComradeChernovHome on the Wastes 1ポイント2ポイント3ポイント 3時間前 (11子コメント)
Your gonna lose this fight m8
Also GTX 990 lolz
[–]RoadRunnerdnconsole peasant -4ポイント-3ポイント-2ポイント 2時間前 (10子コメント)
He's overexaggurating why can't I?
I don't care about losing the fight or not, I'm just not gonna let him take such a shit on consoles.
[–]RichGunzUSA -1ポイント0ポイント1ポイント 34分前 (2子コメント)
The reason PC gaming sucks is because asshole companies like Steam ruined it. They completely annihilated the used game market, forcing people (even the ones that got a disc copy) to sign up for their stupid valve/steam, spend hours downloading stupid mandatory patches, and you risk losing your games (my friend lost $500 in purchased games because steam detected 1 pirated game). If not for steam id still be a PC gamer, but id rather crappier graphics than have to put up with Steam BS again.
Face it, consoles are better. There is a vast used game market constantly lowering the price of games, you don't have to sign up for stupid BS to play a game, plus you don't have to buy a new PC every 2 years to keep up with ever evolving graphics. I can still play the latest games on my 2006 Xbox 360 without problems, but my 2007 old PC couldn't even run COD 5
Plus you seriously underestimate next gen consoles. They are very powerful mini computers and they are more simple.
[–]LkMMoDC 0ポイント1ポイント2ポイント 29分前 (1子コメント)
Thanks but I'm not about to argue with somebody who didn't even comprehend the comment thread he replied to.
Edit: I don't want to seem like a jackass but google the words "steam sale".
[–]RichGunzUSA 0ポイント1ポイント2ポイント 11分前 (0子コメント)
If you want to justify lack of used games with steam sales you are a fool. A sale is NOT the same thing. Xbox has sales too so what? I shouldn't have to wait years before they do a sale on a game I want. A used game market allows people to resell games they hated. With PC 1 time use codes that defeats it. What am I supposed to do with a game I don't like? How can I let my friends borrow my games? You cant hence why steam sucks
[–]thebigun 2ポイント3ポイント4ポイント 4時間前 (0子コメント)
Except that as a company it was still smarter to release what they could, when they could. You want to tap into your sales when they're high, even if it means one platform has to wait. I'd almost br willing to guarantee they made more money releasing it for 2 systems then and than they would have made if they all released simultaneously even 6 months later.
And generalizing to say that they should have worked around it better because other companies did doesn't really work. Bethesda's games have long since been buggy messes because of how they're purposefully built to be open to modding (among other reasons). Even if they werent , you can't really compare the difficulty of building a cross platform game from one game to another because it may just be that one engine has far more issues going cross platform to PS3 the other. Which, IIRC, Skyrim was their first game on the new engine so it isn't unfair to say the bugs were potentially severe.
[–]AnorexicBuddha -1ポイント0ポイント1ポイント 46分前 (0子コメント)
Really guys? This is the comment that gets -60 karma?
[–]TreeGuyThingICE CREAM 14ポイント15ポイント16ポイント 4時間前 (1子コメント)
What happened?
[–]BecomingTheArchtypeVault 13 43ポイント44ポイント45ポイント 4時間前* (0子コメント)
Basically Ps3 version of skyrim was constantly having bugs. It took bethesda a year to just get the vanilla version of skyrim stable and we didnt get any dlc during that time.
[–]alexandermilton 8ポイント9ポイント10ポイント 4時間前 (12子コメント)
I did like the Skyrim DLC:s, bugs aside. They felt pretty meaningful even if the content wasn't amazing design wise... It just felt like decent value.
[–]wolfwolfcat 14ポイント15ポイント16ポイント 2時間前 (11子コメント)
Yeah, even Hearthfire to me was worth the money mainly cause it was just awesome having something in the world that was actually "mine". Bethesda are always champs with DLC.
[–]Calzin_ZYes Man 4ポイント5ポイント6ポイント 2時間前 (9子コメント)
Horse Armor.
[–]CodySpring༼ つ ◕ _◕ ༽つ 10ポイント11ポイント12ポイント 1時間前 (5子コメント)
Everyone complains about Horse Armor but I really didn't mind the small scale DLCs for Oblivion, at least when I was playing on console and couldn't get mods. Frostcrag Spire was pretty awesome, and I enjoyed the free mini-DLCs they had like that castle with the mini-quest to take control of it.
[–]superhole 0ポイント1ポイント2ポイント 42分前 (3子コメント)
Free mini DLC with a castle? What one was this?
[–]ThisIsGoobly 2ポイント3ポイント4ポイント 41分前 (2子コメント)
Battlehorn Castle.
[–]superhole 0ポイント1ポイント2ポイント 40分前 (1子コメント)
That wasn't free though?
[–]ThisIsGoobly 0ポイント1ポイント2ポイント 38分前 (0子コメント)
Yeah, I'm not sure why they said it was free.
[–]SycoJack 0ポイント1ポイント2ポイント 8分前 (0子コメント)
I think the real argument here is that Bethesda tried something everyone was doing and realised it was fucked up and didn't do it again.
The fuckers actually listened to their fans. Hating on them for horse armor DLC after all this time seems wrong to me.
[–]alexandermilton 1ポイント2ポイント3ポイント 2時間前 (0子コメント)
Horse Armor? Horse Armor.
[–]A_Flaming_BananaRaven Rock was a inside job. 0ポイント1ポイント2ポイント 59分前 (0子コメント)
konami took some notes.
[–]alexandermilton 0ポイント1ポイント2ポイント 2時間前 (0子コメント)
Exactly, I'd have called them crazy for the "Sims-approach" but actually trying it out, I had a lot of fun. Though I wish alla plants could regrow and that you could lock items to their positions >_>
[–]CSGOWasp 1ポイント2ポイント3ポイント 4時間前 (6子コメント)
[–]Will_billy 23ポイント24ポイント25ポイント 4時間前 (0子コメント)
ps3 didn't get any dlc, or hell, any bug fixes or updates, for like a year after release at minimum. Even then it got them MONTHS later
[–]ThanatosLXIXThe lone upvoter 15ポイント16ポイント17ポイント 4時間前 (3子コメント)
Skyrim for PS3 was not a very stable game. The game would constantly find something new to crash because of and because of the instablity it had Bethesda had to delay DLC for almost a whole year just to get the PS3 version itself working. Can confirm played PS3 version
[–]cdreggyGaaaaarrryy! 4ポイント5ポイント6ポイント 4時間前 (2子コメント)
Is that why I had not one, but two ps3s crash and become unresponsive while playing skyrim? Neither of them ever worked again.
[–]Blindman213Enclave 23ポイント24ポイント25ポイント 3時間前 (0子コメント)
I piece of software cannot kill hardware unless it is specifically designed to do so. And is Skyrim had been, then it would have made major news.
You just had two PS3's crap out on you. That skyrim was in them at the time is coincidence.
[–]Pozsich 8ポイント9ポイント10ポイント 1時間前 (0子コメント)
Guys, don't downvote someone for asking a question. He's not going around telling people "Skyrim destroyed my PS3s" he's asking if they did because he doesn't understand it. Questions should be encouraged, not downvoted.
[–]Bass255 -1ポイント0ポイント1ポイント 2時間前 (1子コメント)
That wasn't exclusive DLC nor was it planned to be that way. It happened because Skyrim ran like balls on the PS3 in the first place and they couldn't fix the original issues plaguing the game. You would have been more pissed if you sank further money into a games add ons if those worked just as bad, if not worse, than the original base game. Gamers are too quick to forget things.
[–]indigo121 0ポイント1ポイント2ポイント 40分前 (0子コメント)
I mean it was planned exclusive. It just ended up being exclusive to Xbox and PC a lot longer than intended. Microsoft could've saved some money on that deal
[–]JoePsycho -3ポイント-2ポイント-1ポイント 4時間前 (3子コメント)
To be fair, Bethesda completely fucked up Skyrim on PS3... There was a bug that made it unplayable for many who had put in hours of gameplay... PS3 exclusive dlc was a way to make up for it.
I'm assuming Bethesda had learned from that mistake.
[–]GiverOfTheKarma 4ポイント5ポイント6ポイント 2時間前 (2子コメント)
PS3 had exclusive Skyrim dlc?
[–]JoePsycho 5ポイント6ポイント7ポイント 2時間前 (1子コメント)
Come to think of it, I might be mistaken. I may be confusing Assassins Creed with dlc with this... But there was a bug on Skyrim that effectively scraped my 60hr+ character. Made the game completely unplayable on PS3 for me. The game would lag so badly that it would take several minutes for me to take 3 steps in game...
I bought the game on PC after that and never looked back.
[–]ArctiKHDBrotherhood -1ポイント0ポイント1ポイント 1時間前 (0子コメント)
I feel bad for the console Skyrim players, the load times are longer than the actual gameplay
[–]windwaker910 56ポイント57ポイント58ポイント 5時間前 (4子コメント)
Wow, it's a shame this is even something that needs to be said. Console exclusive DLC is shitty.
[–]amalgam_reynolds 22ポイント23ポイント24ポイント 3時間前 (2子コメント)
Bad for the consumer, companies make out like bandits. I hope that Bethesda make tons and tons of money from this and sets a good precedent for the rest of the industry.
[–]cyberpunch83Gary!!! 1ポイント2ポイント3ポイント 1時間前 (1子コメント)
Now they just need to tell us how may DLC packs come in the Season Pass and if it will be included in the Pip-Boy Edition or not.
[–]blamb211 0ポイント1ポイント2ポイント たった今 (0子コメント)
That second part of the question is the answer that I really really want.
[–]BeastabuelosRailway Rifle Master -3ポイント-2ポイント-1ポイント 3時間前 (0子コメント)
It's not exclusive, it's just timed. Which is still shitty.
[–]MacklemormontBethesda Defense Squad 73ポイント74ポイント75ポイント 6時間前 (10子コメント)
I wonder if Pete means no fully console exclusive or timed console exclusive. He didn't necessarily say which.
Hm.
[–]svenhoek86 54ポイント55ポイント56ポイント 5時間前 (6子コメント)
There were no fully exclusive with any other Bethesda game, so I'm guessing the latter.
[+]Mr_Milenko スコアが基準値未満のコメント-10ポイント-9ポイント-8ポイント 5時間前 (5子コメント)
The way its worded though is sketchy. Notice he didn't answer the follow up tweet.
[–]TheRealMe99 18ポイント19ポイント20ポイント 4時間前 (0子コメント)
because he already answered the follow up
[–]slothking69 5ポイント6ポイント7ポイント 4時間前 (0子コメント)
Because the guy repeated the same question...Coming to Xbone first is still exclusivity, it's just timed exclusivity.
[–]nosplet 1ポイント2ポイント3ポイント 3時間前 (2子コメント)
Because the answer to the follow up is the same answer to the question, as they're basically the same question.
[–]nosplet 2ポイント3ポイント4ポイント 3時間前 (1子コメント)
we aren't doing a DLC exclusive with anyone
I swear you people are trying your hardest to make a good thing seem super sketchy and wrong or something. He means exactly what he says. There's no DLC exclusive BS with anyone, all DLC will be available for all platforms and they'll come out at the same time unless there's complications.
[–]dannysmackdownFallout 4 pls 1ポイント2ポイント3ポイント 25分前 (0子コメント)
To be fair, corporations aren't exactly the most honest entities out there.
[–]Packrat1010 1ポイント2ポイント3ポイント 5時間前 (0子コメント)
It looks like the guy asked him that about a half hour ago.
[–]_EC3_ 346ポイント347ポイント348ポイント 6時間前 (42子コメント)
Good. They treated us like shit with skyrim.
[–]roflwaffleauthoritah 163ポイント164ポイント165ポイント 6時間前 (28子コメント)
Especially Playstation (not entirely their fault but ps3 users got the shortest end of the stick possible).
[–]_EC3_ 67ポイント68ポイント69ポイント 6時間前 (2子コメント)
Yeah. Didn't even get the free update for months.
[–]roflwaffleauthoritah 63ポイント64ポイント65ポイント 6時間前 (1子コメント)
The one with horse combat?
In the end I just quit and went with the PC version, although to this day I still haven't played most of the DLC because of how delayed it was. I know it wasn't entirely Bethesda's fault but it still annoys me.
[–]_EC3_ 15ポイント16ポイント17ポイント 6時間前 (0子コメント)
Yep.
[–]CountBubsOld World Flag 34ポイント35ポイント36ポイント 5時間前 (24子コメント)
Oh shit I forgot about that.
I thought PC was bad but PS3 got fucked
[–]Noirgheos 17ポイント18ポイント19ポイント 5時間前 (23子コメント)
What was so bad about the PC Skyrim?
[–]Diagorias 32ポイント33ポイント34ポイント 4時間前 (22子コメント)
UI was made for a controller and was really awkward to use with kb/m, can't remember much else atm.
[–]Noirgheos 56ポイント57ポイント58ポイント 4時間前 (15子コメント)
One simple mod fixed that all.
[–]TheFatHole 48ポイント49ポイント50ポイント 4時間前 (7子コメント)
While I love mods, it seems like it should have been part of the official release. I hate when developers kinda just say fuck it, some modder will figure it out.
Like local coop in borderlands
[–]Blindman213Enclave 19ポイント20ポイント21ポイント 3時間前 (6子コメント)
The UI wasnt unplayable, just annoying. I expect FO4's UI to have the same large font and in general console feel. In a month or so, with or without the GECK, there will be a simple UI fix.
[–]ThePotatoSandwichEdible companions are best 3ポイント4ポイント5ポイント 3時間前 (0子コメント)
If it's similar to Fallout 3's UI, it shouldn't be that bad.
[–]megafallout3fanEmbrace Democracy or Be Eradicated 3ポイント4ポイント5ポイント 3時間前 (0子コメント)
How hard is it to add a slider in the options that controls the size of your hud. The Witcher 3 had it.
[–]A_Flaming_BananaRaven Rock was a inside job. 0ポイント1ポイント2ポイント 56分前 (2子コメント)
But it wasn't a 'simple' fix, it took one guy/team hundreds of hours to make skyui.
[–]Blindman213Enclave 0ポイント1ポイント2ポイント 47分前 (1子コメント)
I wasnt implying that SkyUI was a simple fix. Far from it, SkyUI did far more than just a simple UI scale fix.
But many of the first mods available for PC are simple UI scale fixes. They usually half the font, and maybe make windows bigger.
[–]dannysmackdownFallout 4 pls 0ポイント1ポイント2ポイント 21分前 (0子コメント)
I honestly had no issue with the UI on pc.
[–]Psychoshy1101Gary? 12ポイント13ポイント14ポイント 4時間前 (2子コメント)
You should not have to mod in PC support for a game that was released on PC
[–]Noirgheos -5ポイント-4ポイント-3ポイント 4時間前 (1子コメント)
No, you shouldn't. Still, taking 5 minutes to hit a few buttons isn't very hard. I also used the default AI for the longest time without any mods, was fine for me.
[–]RabidMuskrat93 0ポイント1ポイント2ポイント 26分前 (0子コメント)
I completely agree with you thought it seems like others don't at this time. While it is a hassle, it isn't a complete loss as installing the mod isn't too difficult (especially through steam). But there should never be a reason to have to do so. That shit should have been implemented from day 1 by the developers themselves.
Plus, I still use the regular UI and don't have any issues. I usually use the arrow keys though.
[–]conorf1807 4ポイント5ポイント6ポイント 3時間前 (1子コメント)
Still no fix for when you click a text option and because of the controller design it selects the one above or below
[–]Noirgheos -5ポイント-4ポイント-3ポイント 3時間前 (0子コメント)
Never really had that happen to me. Disable mouse acceleration, or use WASD.
[–]A_Flaming_BananaRaven Rock was a inside job. -1ポイント0ポイント1ポイント 56分前 (1子コメント)
which took the guy and his team hundreds of hours to complete all for free. And after the paid mods stuff and how much hate he got, he's probably not gonna make another for fallout 4. Which suck bc the ui looks fucking terrible for kb and m.
[–]Noirgheos 0ポイント1ポイント2ポイント 18分前 (0子コメント)
It was added a month after Skyrim came out. I doubt he spent hundreds of hours on it.
Also, Fallout 4's UI looks very similar to FNV and F3. They were both fine for PC. In fact it was easier to navigate than on consoles.
P.S. Even if he doesn't make one for Fallout 4, you bet your ass someone else will. It's not like he has copyright on UI mods.
[–]Mr_McChicken_420 5ポイント6ポイント7ポイント 4時間前 (0子コメント)
IMO, it wasn't that bad. I never felt the need to change it.
[–]alexandermilton 3ポイント4ポイント5ポイント 4時間前 (0子コメント)
PC + controller is hella great though!
[–]Psychoshy1101Gary? 2ポイント3ポイント4ポイント 4時間前 (0子コメント)
I'm worried they will do the same thing with Fallout 4. They better not, considering that they are now relying on PC mods to boost console sales
[–]BennettF -1ポイント0ポイント1ポイント 4時間前 (0子コメント)
Say it with me now: SkyUI!
[–]SheparudVault 101 11ポイント12ポイント13ポイント 5時間前 (10子コメント)
[–]Monkiis[🍰] 56ポイント57ポイント58ポイント 5時間前 (8子コメント)
Because of a combination of technical challenges and a deal with Microsoft the dlc for skyrim didn't come to PS3 till like eight months after it came to Xbox.
[–]amalgam_reynolds 22ポイント23ポイント24ポイント 4時間前 (3子コメント)
Still better than Destiny.
[–]mrNONDESCRIPTVacuum tube adeptus mechanicus 10ポイント11ポイント12ポイント 3時間前 (1子コメント)
Well its the other way round for Destiny, and its twelve months.
[–]blamb211 0ポイント1ポイント2ポイント 4分前 (0子コメント)
If ever. They literally aren't giving Xbox some DLC, because fuck Xbox gamers.
[–]MeesaHugeDickfaceSMELL THAT AIR 8ポイント9ポイント10ポイント 3時間前 (0子コメント)
yall got halo tho, and halo 5 looks pretty damn good
[–]AmericanCobra 8ポイント9ポイント10ポイント 4時間前 (2子コメント)
I don't think there was a deal with MS at all, IIRC it was because the PS3 was such a bitch and a half to code for that it took longer to get it right.
[–]wolfwolfcat 6ポイント7ポイント8ポイント 2時間前 (1子コメント)
Actually it was a bit of both, they did have a deal with microsoft but it is well known that the PS3 was hell on earth for developers to work with because of Sonys poor choice in processors which meant alot of difficulties for devs.
[–]SamuelBeechworthOops, wrong universe! 1ポイント2ポイント3ポイント 1時間前 (0子コメント)
Alot of difficulties is an alcoholic Alot with depression
[–]Jord-UK 1ポイント2ポイント3ポイント 4時間前 (0子コメント)
It was mostly because of the way PS3 handled file shit
[–]_EC3_ 7ポイント8ポイント9ポイント 5時間前 (0子コメント)
We didn't have dlc or updates for months.
[–]alexandermilton 1ポイント2ポイント3ポイント 4時間前 (0子コメント)
Yeah, horrible combo trying to time releases while working with shit tech. Not sure what they could have done to better that situation other than plan more preemptively..
[–]Shamelesspromote 1ポイント2ポイント3ポイント 2時間前 (0子コメント)
Wasn't the issue that Microsoft had to check the update themselves and they were just being super slow about it? same thing with ps3 but sony is slightly faster but they didn't get the DLC deal of having it released on that system first sort of what happened to all the CoDs'?
[–]TheUnspeakableHorrorNice hat ya got there. *BLAM!* 16ポイント17ポイント18ポイント 6時間前* (0子コメント)
Cool. I understand why they did it, but it was still annoying as fuck.
I may start looking at that season pass now. Can you imagine how pissed off people would be after preordering the pass, and still having to deal with exclusives?
[–]Elyna_LilyarelVault 111 43ポイント44ポイント45ポイント 5時間前 (8子コメント)
"But will they come to xbone first?"
He literally just fucking said there will be no exclusive DLC
[–]ProfessorEpicI drink toilet water 18ポイント19ポイント20ポイント 5時間前 (3子コメント)
If it was exclusive it would have only been on Xbox which he answered and said no to. If it was timed exclusive Xbox would get it first and the others at a later date. He didn't specify that it wasn't timed exclusive just that it wasn't exclusive. I'd assume he meant no to both but it was a reasonable follow up question.
[–]EnkiduV3 3ポイント4ポイント5ポイント 3時間前 (2子コメント)
It wasn't a follow up question at all, he just repeated his question. It's not reasonable to repeat the answered question a second time. "We aren't doing a DLC exclusive with anyone," means there aren't any exclusives, timed or otherwise, with any platform.
[–]axaddonELIMINATE ALL SEDITIOUS MATERIAL 2ポイント3ポイント4ポイント 5時間前 (0子コメント)
ikr? I was looking through the comments, glad someone else noticed it
[–]GandalfTheGriefMeme kids 1ポイント2ポイント3ポイント 3時間前 (1子コメント)
The dude seems like he wants them to come to xbox first.
[–]BeastabuelosRailway Rifle Master 2ポイント3ポイント4ポイント 3時間前 (0子コメント)
As if it mattered. I had bf3 when they did premium and I got everything before everyone else and it literally didn't affect me. Why should I care if I have it first? I only care if I don't have it while someone else does. Everything should be released at the same time for everyone as long as it is ready to be done.
[–]starshadowx2Frumentarii 0ポイント1ポイント2ポイント 30分前 (0子コメント)
A truly amazing chain of comments.
"Is this statement true?" "No" "Yeah, but is it true?"
"Is this statement true?"
"No"
"Yeah, but is it true?"
[–]elulsweptAsk if I care 25ポイント26ポイント27ポイント 6時間前 (0子コメント)
Good to hear. Back in Skyrim I used an xbox, so personally I really didn't care since I was getting it anyways first. However, now I have a PC so it's good to hear everyone will be able to get it first.
[–]RTCanadaDogmeat or no one at all 12ポイント13ポイント14ポイント 6時間前 (2子コメント)
They've replaced that with the incentive towards Microsoft still that you get F3 free of charge with a purchase, along with mod support first. Very glad that it's a parity on future release software though.
[–]MISTER_SPANKY 1ポイント2ポイント3ポイント 5時間前 (1子コメント)
F3 was only free if you preordered on Microsoft website I thought?
[–]ALPB11WE'RE THE TUNNEL SNAKES, THAT'S US 0ポイント1ポイント2ポイント 5時間前 (0子コメント)
I think so, maybe just from Microsoft and select retailers.
If you want to play it on xbox one, it's gonna be backwards compatible by the time FO4 drops, so any old copy should work.
[–]AndrewFlashRemember the Divide 7ポイント8ポイント9ポイント 5時間前 (3子コメント)
So it's not Destiny. Yay
[–]piercehead 6ポイント7ポイント8ポイント 4時間前 (2子コメント)
Correct. It's a game that's actually releasing on the PC, so obviously it's nothing like Destiny.
[–]nater255Paladin 5ポイント6ポイント7ポイント 2時間前 (1子コメント)
It will probably contain actual content, unlike Destiny.
[–]BunkBuyOverseer of /r/FalloutShelter, Griplord of /r/gottagetagrip 5ポイント6ポイント7ポイント 1時間前 (0子コメント)
It will probably good, so absolutely nothing like Destiny.
[–]jennyCKC 3ポイント4ポイント5ポイント 5時間前* (4子コメント)
i dont think beth would have released a season pass if they knew they were a) going to do console exclusive dlcs, and b) have giant gaps between dlc launches for each console
also i don't understand why there were giant delays for skyrim dlcs on ps3 but no delays for fallout 3. Please dont fuck me over again Bethesda!
[–]Ironmunger2 2ポイント3ポイント4ポイント 5時間前 (1子コメント)
I could be wrong, but the reason for no fallout 3 delays on other consoles may have been because Microsoft might not have expected it to be as big a hit as it was, so they didn't bother getting any special times exclusive deals or anything. with skyrim, they knew it'd be big, so they made sure to get the special deals
[–]TechnologicalDiscord 0ポイント1ポイント2ポイント 4時間前 (0子コメント)
Microsoft exclusivity was only for a month. The reason it took so long 5o release the Skyrim DLC was because the PS3 is needlessly difficult to program for.
Fallout 3 DLC was delayed PS3.
[–]BeastabuelosRailway Rifle Master 0ポイント1ポイント2ポイント 3時間前 (0子コメント)
Battlefield does season passes and bf3 had a funky release schedule because ps3 got everything 2 weeks early and if you had the pass you got it 2 weeks early so it went pass ps3 people, then pass xbox and pc. then no pass ps3, then everyone else. So if you had a ps3 and a pass, you got it a month before those without either.
[–]beastwick001 1ポイント2ポイント3ポイント 3時間前 (0子コメント)
Exclusive should not be a word applied to a video game in any way.
[–]Sciencekitten 1ポイント2ポイント3ポイント 3時間前 (0子コメント)
Good there should never be "exclusive DLC" for anything its a massively shitty thing to do to fans! good job Bethesda .
[–]TheInnerFish 1ポイント2ポイント3ポイント 2時間前 (0子コメント)
Thank god, they're done with that despicable practice.
[–]AdmiralSkippy 1ポイント2ポイント3ポイント 1時間前 (2子コメント)
Who cares? We'll just mod them in.
[–]Greengiant00 0ポイント1ポイント2ポイント 9分前 (0子コメント)
What? You did read that right, right?
[–]SingleLensReflex 0ポイント1ポイント2ポイント 5分前 (0子コメント)
Ya, I'll just mod official DLC into my PS4
[–]motu8pre -1ポイント0ポイント1ポイント 4時間前 (0子コメント)
Good. As a PC gamer (where their games started!) I felt pretty shafted for supporting them for so long and being made to wait.
[–]MistahFixIt༼ つ ◕_◕ ༽つ➃ Bathmazda Pls 0ポイント1ポイント2ポイント 5時間前 (1子コメント)
Good to know, but I thought the DLC release delay for Skyrim was due to the PS3's weird architecture?
[–]Dark_Lotus 0ポイント1ポイント2ポイント 3時間前 (0子コメント)
It was but the Xbox version still had 1 month exclusively
[–]snarfandfriends 0ポイント1ポイント2ポイント 4時間前 (0子コメント)
I honestly lost track of this being a possibility but its certainty relieving to hear it won't be an issue.
[–]irradiatedWolfWelcome home 0ポイント1ポイント2ポイント 4時間前 (0子コメント)
Good, no need to have one platform above another.
[–]TheHeroicOnion 0ポイント1ポイント2ポイント 3時間前 (0子コメント)
Whoo whoo!
[–]jedi168 0ポイント1ポイント2ポイント 3時間前 (0子コメント)
Good
[–]Il1KECH33SE 0ポイント1ポイント2ポイント 3時間前 (0子コメント)
Doin it right
[–]kuddlesworth9419 0ポイント1ポイント2ポイント 2時間前 (0子コメント)
Good.
[–]kereke12Tunnel Snakes 0ポイント1ポイント2ポイント 1時間前 (0子コメント)
Ohh THANK GOD, this is why I love Bethesda. Others should follow suit. Wow, I'm really happy!!!
[–]d_buehls 0ポイント1ポイント2ポイント 1時間前 (0子コメント)
They learned from Destiny, exclusives hurt the community
[–]R88SHUN 0ポイント1ポイント2ポイント 1時間前 (0子コメント)
Fallout 4's pro-consumer policies are a direct result of an active and vocal community. Fanboys need to remember that the next time they consider complaining about people complaining.
[–]Layze 0ポイント1ポイント2ポイント 42分前 (3子コメント)
Eph dlc talks let's just have more preorders of the pipboy already
[–]HaefenZebraBrotherhood 0ポイント1ポイント2ポイント 36分前 (1子コメント)
If I remember correctly someone asked them, and they said the company producing the pipboys for them told them they wont make anymore for them because it was encroaching on their other orders.
[–]NerdBerds 0ポイント1ポイント2ポイント 6分前 (0子コメント)
Wouldn't they be missing out on a ton of profit though?
[–]TreeQuizJingle-Jangle[S] 0ポイント1ポイント2ポイント 22分前 (0子コメント)
There isn't going to be anymore
[–]nazihatinchimp 0ポイント1ポイント2ポイント 40分前 (0子コメント)
Go Panthers!
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[–]Xrayruester 7ポイント8ポイント9ポイント 4時間前 (1子コメント)
The way it sounded, Bethesda pretty much said it is up to Sony now. They are willing, but Sony needs to make it happen.
[+]BlueSun288 スコアが基準値未満のコメント-19ポイント-18ポイント-17ポイント 5時間前 (73子コメント)
Get a PC. Fix your problems.
[–]ezgamerxBrotherhood 18ポイント19ポイント20ポイント 4時間前 (1子コメント)
Do you really have to be that guy?
[+]GuyAboveIsStupid スコアが基準値未満のコメント-16ポイント-15ポイント-14ポイント 4時間前 (0子コメント)
I mean, it would fix his no mods problem
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[–]ProKrastinat0r 10ポイント11ポイント12ポイント 5時間前 (2子コメント)
Fuck, as a PC owner and a console owner these arguments really confuse me.
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[–]ComradeChernovHome on the Wastes 0ポイント1ポイント2ポイント 2時間前 (0子コメント)
People have the liberty to invest in a PC if they want the best possible. People who bash consoles just for the sake of it are assholes. We get it depends on your situation. Don't let a few bad apples spoil the basket.
[–]FrenzyGr91 7ポイント8ポイント9ポイント 5時間前 (1子コメント)
Not being a fanboy or anything but it is. I still prefer to play games on console because it's more relaxing although that will change because I am getting a bigger screen for my PC to play from the bed using the 360 controller
[–]evilsalmonHyped like a Cazador on psycho 1ポイント2ポイント3ポイント 2時間前 (0子コメント)
That's pretty much what I'm doing. I've got a 360, haven't moved to this gen yet and I decided that I don't want to be tied into a console - plus there are so many other games on computers. Also that online gaming is often free on PC's, a feature for other games which I haven't had access to before. (I'm not going to pay extra for it.)
[–]kami77Vault 111 5ポイント6ポイント7ポイント 5時間前 (2子コメント)
Eh, most of us have a console or two for exclusives as well. The master race thing is just a joke that we sometimes take too far.
PRAISE LORD GABEN
[–]BeastabuelosRailway Rifle Master 4ポイント5ポイント6ポイント 3時間前 (1子コメント)
The master race thing is just a joke that we sometimes take too far.
That's not true anymore.
[–]_EC3_ 0ポイント1ポイント2ポイント 2時間前 (0子コメント)
Yep. I thought it was funny at first (this is coming from a mostly console gamer) then it kept on and on and on... now some of them take it seriously.
[–]saltyshyster 3ポイント4ポイント5ポイント 5時間前 (2子コメント)
Well that was rude.
[–]saltyshyster 6ポイント7ポイント8ポイント 4時間前 (0子コメント)
You do get that out of any PCMR member in this thread, you are the rudest and angriest person? You're the one people aren't liking in this thread because you're being mean.
[–]BeastabuelosRailway Rifle Master 0ポイント1ポイント2ポイント 3時間前 (1子コメント)
going through that Steam library full of games you've never played.
Seeing this bothers me so much. Why buy games if you're not going to play them.
[–]ComradeChernovHome on the Wastes 1ポイント2ポイント3ポイント 2時間前 (0子コメント)
You seriously need to understand that 90% of those games we got dirt cheap with all the sales steam has. When an entire collection is 15 bucks why wouldn't you get it?
[+]ShittyComicGuy スコアが基準値未満のコメント-24ポイント-23ポイント-22ポイント 5時間前 (1子コメント)
Your'e on a PC now, are you not please silence your heresy console peasant.
[+]BrickLuvsLampThrow your tea in Granny's face スコアが基準値未満のコメント-25ポイント-24ポイント-23ポイント 5時間前 (11子コメント)
Yeah, let me just buy a thousand dollar computer, as if I have the money to just do that.
[–]ADaddyHansenIgnacio Rivas -1ポイント0ポイント1ポイント 5時間前 (9子コメント)
Try and think of console vs PC price as a line with a low y intercept and a high slope, and a high intercept with a low slope respectively. The initial purchase of a console vs a capable PC setup is probably a couple hundred dollars cheaper. However, between paying $80 a year for multiplayer and $60-$70 for new games, maintaining a console is going to be more expensive than PC(free multiplayer, steam sales, GreenManGaming/HumbleBundle). So after maybe a couple years of gaming, more or less depending on how much you play and how many games you buy, the total amount of money you have spent on PC vs Console will be the same, and from then on out PC is cheaper.
It's just that initial couple hundred more that makes PC seem not viable, I've been on console pretty much my whole life but I'll be building a PC soon.
[–]BrickLuvsLampThrow your tea in Granny's face 4ポイント5ポイント6ポイント 5時間前 (3子コメント)
I'm sure a nice PC would definitely pay off, the problem is that my PS4 was a gift, I don't play games online, and I'm not in a position any time soon to build a nice PC. I have an MSi laptop that I play all of the other Fallouts (and some other games) on, but obviously that computer can't run any new AAA titles, so those are the games I get for the PS4. If money was no object, I'd have a nice PC for most of my gaming but still a PS4 since I like playing games like Madden with my friends when they come over, and also console exclusives.
[–]Bgndrsn 0ポイント1ポイント2ポイント 4時間前 (2子コメント)
Well getting a gaming laptop is kinda meh. If that's what you really want and makes you happy then I'm happy for you and ignore what I write below.
You pay such a premium for gaming laptops and they have massive heat and battery/power issues. Instead of $1300 for a gaming laptop you could get a pretty decent pc for $800-900 and an okay $400 laptop for browsing and watching movies.
What I love about pc is how flexible it is. Depending on what you want and your budget there's a lot you can do. Unless you want 4k or gaming laptops, those are just super premium.
[–]BrickLuvsLampThrow your tea in Granny's face 1ポイント2ポイント3ポイント 4時間前 (1子コメント)
The laptop was mostly for browsing the Internet and school work, I didn't buy it specifically for gaming, but I figured i could do some gaming on it. Believe me, when I eventually get a new computer, I'm not going pre-made, and I'll probably build one, but I can't really do that now.
[–]Bgndrsn 1ポイント2ポイント3ポイント 4時間前 (0子コメント)
Well have fun in that adventure when the time comes :)
[–]IFE-Antler-Boy 1ポイント2ポイント3ポイント 5時間前 (2子コメント)
What dollars are you using? If it's American, you spend like 35 bucks on Live/PSN if you use cdkeys and 60 or so otherwise per year, and never more than $60 per game unless you get the special game package.
Doesn't change the fact that Steam sales are the bomb and make PC entirely worth it.
[–]ADaddyHansenIgnacio Rivas 0ポイント1ポイント2ポイント 5時間前 (1子コメント)
Right, my bad. I used to play on 360 and back then it was $60 a year if you bought it all at one time, and more expensive if you renewed biannually or quarterly. Nice to see they made it cheaper. I still stand by what I said about PC being more affordable in the long run.
[–]cfisher2833 0ポイント1ポイント2ポイント 1時間前 (0子コメント)
It's still $60, but there are grey market sites like Cdkeys.com where you can get it for $30. Pretty good site--I got Mad Max for $15 and the premium edition of Arkham Knight for $ 18.
[–]gostigustNCR 0ポイント1ポイント2ポイント 4時間前 (1子コメント)
I only buy 3-4 games at most a year, and usually on single player, so consoles would still be cheaper for me.
[–]ADaddyHansenIgnacio Rivas 0ポイント1ポイント2ポイント 4時間前 (0子コメント)
Fair enough, I'm not trying to bash on consoles.
[+]MacklemormontBethesda Defense Squad スコアが基準値未満のコメント-31ポイント-30ポイント-29ポイント 5時間前 (41子コメント)
A good gaming rig can set someone back 2000-2500 dollars.
[–]chlamydius 6ポイント7ポイント8ポイント 5時間前 (16子コメント)
CAN, it doesn't have to. You would easily run fallout 4 on a pc half that price.
[–]TreeQuizJingle-Jangle[S] 5ポイント6ポイント7ポイント 4時間前 (9子コメント)
More like a quarter of the price
[–]Tortoise_Rapist 11ポイント12ポイント13ポイント 5時間前 (12子コメント)
I spent $800 and can run pretty much anything at ultra.
[–]Psychoshy1101Gary? -1ポイント0ポイント1ポイント 4時間前 (1子コメント)
Thank God. I would be pissed if they ignore PC
[–]Greengiant00 0ポイント1ポイント2ポイント 7分前 (0子コメント)
It would be really strange if they did considering I'm pretty sure that's the majority of their player base. I play on xbox simply because I don't have the money for a good PC and the PS4 doesn't interest me, but I was kinda afraid the console users would be left out. Thank goodness for cross platform mods now.
[–]jazaniacAve -2ポイント-1ポイント0ポイント 2時間前 (1子コメント)
Well, to be fair, PC users always get exclusive, free DLC.
[–]PiggeryJokery 0ポイント1ポイント2ポイント 1時間前 (0子コメント)
mods?
[–]InSilico_AlbertBreach -1ポイント0ポイント1ポイント 55分前 (0子コメント)
Reading this first I actually thought OP was saying that there would be no DLC's at all on consoles :O
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[–]LassKibble 11ポイント12ポイント13ポイント 5時間前 (1子コメント)
I believe it's Zenimax that makes these deals, no?
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