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[–]BecomingTheArchtype 177ポイント178ポイント179ポイント 4時間前 (35子コメント)
Oh thank god it won't be like skyrim on PS3 all over again.
[–]ThePotatoKing 30ポイント31ポイント32ポイント 3時間前 (18子コメント)
i doubt they would ever let that happen again.
[–]BecomingTheArchtype 79ポイント80ポイント81ポイント 3時間前 (17子コメント)
The delays were mostly not Bethesdas fault. Ps3s system was stupidly complicated. PS4 System is very similar to Xbox so it will be easier to release both.
[+]MAKE_ME_REDDIT スコアが基準値未満のコメント-42ポイント-41ポイント-40ポイント 2時間前 (16子コメント)
Other developers worked around the system much better. Just saying "because it was hard it wasn't their fault" is a gross oversimplification. If they were having trouble with it then they should have waited until both were ready.
[–]Jankinator 35ポイント36ポイント37ポイント 2時間前 (3子コメント)
Then Arkham Knight wouldn't even been released yet since it still isn't completely fixed on PC.
[+]RathgartheUglyMoo, I say. スコアが基準値未満のコメント-6ポイント-5ポイント-4ポイント 1時間前 (2子コメント)
I wish it weren't released yet. At this point I don't even think I'll bother playing it because of how let down I've been by my attempts so far. They would have been better off delaying it forever.
[–]nosplet 10ポイント11ポイント12ポイント 1時間前 (0子コメント)
So you haven't played it yet? You'd rather have nothing than an optional something?
I had a great time playing Arkham Knight. I encountered almost zero bugs. The game isn't totally broken on every platform because it's buggy on another.
[–]Jankinator 0ポイント1ポイント2ポイント 1時間前 (0子コメント)
It shouldn't have been released on PC until it was ready. But sales have been suspended on PC for quite some time. But the PC version should have also been ready within a reasonable time of the console release. There were a lot of problems with how the whole situation was handled.
[–]LkMMoDC 9ポイント10ポイント11ポイント 2時間前 (10子コメント)
Other developers don't create massive worlds either. Bethesda released the games at the same date, did they not? One platform shouldn't have to wait for all the DLC because another is unnecessarily complex.
This logic here is the same logic that is holding games back. Consoles post 2007 have just hindered the gaming community. Not trying to be a PC elitist but the time it takes to develop a game for console compared to PC and the time it takes to optimize on that specialized crappy hardware also takes 10x longer than it does on PC. The only reason developers put up with it is due to the majority of the player base being on consoles.
end rant.
[+]RoadRunnerdnconsole peasant スコアが基準値未満のコメント-18ポイント-17ポイント-16ポイント 2時間前 (9子コメント)
time it takes to develop a game for console compared to PC
They are no different any longer.
Edit* Not to mention it's easier to optimize a game for console since they only need to optimize it for one set of hardware instead of 2 billion combinations.
[–]LkMMoDC 1ポイント2ポイント3ポイント 1時間前 (8子コメント)
You just eat up the consumer bullshit. Not saying anything against yourself as that does come off rather douchey. Today you will learn something.
Development time for consoles is actually A LOT longer than development time for PC. Yes, it is standardized hardware BUT it is crap hardware. You will need to spend time squashing little bugs and micro adjusting shading, pixels & all that crap because the consoles can't render too much at once. It also takes a lot longer to make sure only what is in camera is rendered and not the whole enviroment. While on PC you can account for better hardware meaning you don't have to micro adjust everything.
Another misconception. Optimizing for 2 billion combonations. False. You optimize for a set core amount & clock amount, then a set shader core, cuda/stream processor count, set vram amount, set clock speed for the gpu, and 1 of 2 drivers and so on. You optimize for the level of the hardware. Not the hardware itself. They also have to do this EXACT SAME PROCESS for consoles but it has to be done for MUCH LOWER END HARDWARE. I don't know how to drill this into anyones head but the development for console has the same steps as PC and more. If games were just developed for a more open platform like PC development times would be much lower than if they just had to develop for console.
Sorry for the rant but you tried to give me some consumer bullshit.
[–]RoadRunnerdnconsole peasant 0ポイント1ポイント2ポイント 1時間前* (7子コメント)
crap hardware. account for better hardware
crap hardware.
account for better hardware
I know the current gen console harware is bad but it sounds like you believe every single person with a pc owns a fucking GTX 990 with everything to go along with that. There are still a fucktonne of people that has worse pc specs than the current consoles.
And yes. PC optimization has been streamlined thanks to things like DirectX but that doesn't make it easier than doing it for consoles. There can still arise specific problems with some hardware.
Edit* Your entire post turns everything I said against hardware optimization rather than the actual optimization itself and you claim that open platform developing is somehow easier than closed platform although I have never seen anything that supports this. Of course there's other positives that an open platform provides but that's not really part of pur discussion.
[–]ComradeChernovHome on the Wastes 2ポイント3ポイント4ポイント 51分前 (5子コメント)
Your gonna lose this fight m8
Also GTX 990 lolz
[–]RoadRunnerdnconsole peasant -2ポイント-1ポイント0ポイント 46分前 (4子コメント)
He's overexaggurating why can't I?
I don't care about losing the fight or not, I'm just not gonna let him take such a shit on consoles.
[–]LkMMoDC 0ポイント1ポイント2ポイント 53分前 (0子コメント)
When I say PC hardware is a ton better I am comparing cards like the 7870 ($80) to the consoles equivalent of a 7750. Also... the GTX 990 doesn't exist. You don't need a good GPU to have something better than what consoles have. The "current gen" consoles have a 4 year old GPU inside of them that wasn't even expensive at it's time of launch. Now adays you could build a $500 PC that has hardware 5x faster than the "current gen" consoles hardware but it won't perform as fast because developers spent too much time on console games then porting them to PC.
[–]thebigun 2ポイント3ポイント4ポイント 2時間前 (0子コメント)
Except that as a company it was still smarter to release what they could, when they could. You want to tap into your sales when they're high, even if it means one platform has to wait. I'd almost br willing to guarantee they made more money releasing it for 2 systems then and than they would have made if they all released simultaneously even 6 months later.
And generalizing to say that they should have worked around it better because other companies did doesn't really work. Bethesda's games have long since been buggy messes because of how they're purposefully built to be open to modding (among other reasons). Even if they werent , you can't really compare the difficulty of building a cross platform game from one game to another because it may just be that one engine has far more issues going cross platform to PS3 the other. Which, IIRC, Skyrim was their first game on the new engine so it isn't unfair to say the bugs were potentially severe.
[–]TreeGuyThingICE CREAM 8ポイント9ポイント10ポイント 2時間前 (1子コメント)
What happened?
[–]BecomingTheArchtype 22ポイント23ポイント24ポイント 2時間前* (0子コメント)
Basically Ps3 version of skyrim was constantly having bugs. It took bethesda a year to just get the vanilla version of skyrim stable and we didnt get any dlc during that time.
[–]alexandermilton 1ポイント2ポイント3ポイント 1時間前 (2子コメント)
I did like the Skyrim DLC:s, bugs aside. They felt pretty meaningful even if the content wasn't amazing design wise... It just felt like decent value.
[–]wolfwolfcat 1ポイント2ポイント3ポイント 45分前 (1子コメント)
Yeah, even Hearthfire to me was worth the money mainly cause it was just awesome having something in the world that was actually "mine". Bethesda are always champs with DLC.
[–]Calzin_ZYes Man 1ポイント2ポイント3ポイント 16分前 (0子コメント)
Horse Armor.
[–]CSGOWasp 1ポイント2ポイント3ポイント 2時間前 (5子コメント)
[–]ThanatosLXIXThe lone upvoter 11ポイント12ポイント13ポイント 2時間前 (2子コメント)
Skyrim for PS3 was not a very stable game. The game would constantly find something new to crash because of and because of the instablity it had Bethesda had to delay DLC for almost a whole year just to get the PS3 version itself working. Can confirm played PS3 version
[–]cdreggyGaaaaarrryy! -1ポイント0ポイント1ポイント 2時間前 (1子コメント)
Is that why I had not one, but two ps3s crash and become unresponsive while playing skyrim? Neither of them ever worked again.
[–]Blindman213Enclave 12ポイント13ポイント14ポイント 1時間前 (0子コメント)
I piece of software cannot kill hardware unless it is specifically designed to do so. And is Skyrim had been, then it would have made major news.
You just had two PS3's crap out on you. That skyrim was in them at the time is coincidence.
[–]Will_billy 18ポイント19ポイント20ポイント 2時間前 (0子コメント)
ps3 didn't get any dlc, or hell, any bug fixes or updates, for like a year after release at minimum. Even then it got them MONTHS later
[–]Bass255 0ポイント1ポイント2ポイント 33分前 (0子コメント)
That wasn't exclusive DLC nor was it planned to be that way. It happened because Skyrim ran like balls on the PS3 in the first place and they couldn't fix the original issues plaguing the game. You would have been more pissed if you sank further money into a games add ons if those worked just as bad, if not worse, than the original base game. Gamers are too quick to forget things.
[–]JoePsycho -4ポイント-3ポイント-2ポイント 2時間前 (2子コメント)
To be fair, Bethesda completely fucked up Skyrim on PS3... There was a bug that made it unplayable for many who had put in hours of gameplay... PS3 exclusive dlc was a way to make up for it.
I'm assuming Bethesda had learned from that mistake.
[–]GiverOfTheKarma 1ポイント2ポイント3ポイント 43分前 (1子コメント)
PS3 had exclusive Skyrim dlc?
[–]JoePsycho 0ポイント1ポイント2ポイント 4分前 (0子コメント)
Come to think of it, I might be mistaken. I may be confusing Assassins Creed with dlc with this... But there was a bug on Skyrim that effectively scraped my 60hr+ character. Made the game completely unplayable on PS3 for me. The game would lag so badly that it would take several minutes for me to take 3 steps in game...
I bought the game on PC after that and never looked back.
[–]windwaker910 17ポイント18ポイント19ポイント 3時間前 (2子コメント)
Wow, it's a shame this is even something that needs to be said. Console exclusive DLC is shitty.
[–]amalgam_reynolds 5ポイント6ポイント7ポイント 1時間前 (0子コメント)
Bad for the consumer, companies make out like bandits. I hope that Bethesda make tons and tons of money from this and sets a good precedent for the rest of the industry.
[–]BeastabuelosRailway Rifle Master -1ポイント0ポイント1ポイント 1時間前 (0子コメント)
It's not exclusive, it's just timed. Which is still shitty.
[–]_EC3_ 222ポイント223ポイント224ポイント 4時間前 (33子コメント)
Good. They treated us like shit with skyrim.
[–]roflwaffleauthoritah 112ポイント113ポイント114ポイント 4時間前 (21子コメント)
Especially Playstation (not entirely their fault but ps3 users got the shortest end of the stick possible).
[–]_EC3_ 45ポイント46ポイント47ポイント 4時間前 (2子コメント)
Yeah. Didn't even get the free update for months.
[–]roflwaffleauthoritah 44ポイント45ポイント46ポイント 4時間前 (1子コメント)
The one with horse combat?
In the end I just quit and went with the PC version, although to this day I still haven't played most of the DLC because of how delayed it was. I know it wasn't entirely Bethesda's fault but it still annoys me.
[–]_EC3_ 8ポイント9ポイント10ポイント 4時間前 (0子コメント)
Yep.
[–]CountBubsOld World Flag 20ポイント21ポイント22ポイント 3時間前 (17子コメント)
Oh shit I forgot about that.
I thought PC was bad but PS3 got fucked
[–]Noirgheos 8ポイント9ポイント10ポイント 3時間前 (16子コメント)
What was so bad about the PC Skyrim?
[–]Diagorias 20ポイント21ポイント22ポイント 2時間前 (15子コメント)
UI was made for a controller and was really awkward to use with kb/m, can't remember much else atm.
[–]Noirgheos 30ポイント31ポイント32ポイント 2時間前 (8子コメント)
One simple mod fixed that all.
[–]TheFatHole 25ポイント26ポイント27ポイント 2時間前 (3子コメント)
While I love mods, it seems like it should have been part of the official release. I hate when developers kinda just say fuck it, some modder will figure it out.
Like local coop in borderlands
[–]Blindman213Enclave 8ポイント9ポイント10ポイント 1時間前 (2子コメント)
The UI wasnt unplayable, just annoying. I expect FO4's UI to have the same large font and in general console feel. In a month or so, with or without the GECK, there will be a simple UI fix.
[–]ThePotatoSandwichEdible companions are best 1ポイント2ポイント3ポイント 1時間前 (0子コメント)
If it's similar to Fallout 3's UI, it shouldn't be that bad.
[–]megafallout3fanEmbrace Democracy or Be Eradicated 0ポイント1ポイント2ポイント 58分前 (0子コメント)
How hard is it to add a slider in the options that controls the size of your hud. The Witcher 3 had it.
[–]Psychoshy1101Gary? 5ポイント6ポイント7ポイント 1時間前 (1子コメント)
You should not have to mod in PC support for a game that was released on PC
[–]Noirgheos -3ポイント-2ポイント-1ポイント 1時間前 (0子コメント)
No, you shouldn't. Still, taking 5 minutes to hit a few buttons isn't very hard. I also used the default AI for the longest time without any mods, was fine for me.
[–]conorf1807 0ポイント1ポイント2ポイント 1時間前 (1子コメント)
Still no fix for when you click a text option and because of the controller design it selects the one above or below
Never really had that happen to me. Disable mouse acceleration, or use WASD.
[–]Psychoshy1101Gary? 2ポイント3ポイント4ポイント 2時間前 (0子コメント)
I'm worried they will do the same thing with Fallout 4. They better not, considering that they are now relying on PC mods to boost console sales
[–]Mr_McChicken_420 2ポイント3ポイント4ポイント 2時間前 (0子コメント)
IMO, it wasn't that bad. I never felt the need to change it.
[–]alexandermilton 2ポイント3ポイント4ポイント 1時間前 (0子コメント)
PC + controller is hella great though!
[–]BennettF -1ポイント0ポイント1ポイント 2時間前 (0子コメント)
Say it with me now: SkyUI!
[–]Jack_Hat8978 points 4 hours ago -2ポイント-1ポイント0ポイント 2時間前 (0子コメント)
mods
[–]Dusty170Liberty Prime -2ポイント-1ポイント0ポイント 48分前 (0子コメント)
You could just use a pc compatable controller..
[–]SheparudVault 101 9ポイント10ポイント11ポイント 3時間前 (8子コメント)
[–]Monkiis 32ポイント33ポイント34ポイント 3時間前 (6子コメント)
Because of a combination of technical challenges and a deal with Microsoft the dlc for skyrim didn't come to PS3 till like eight months after it came to Xbox.
[–]amalgam_reynolds 9ポイント10ポイント11ポイント 1時間前 (2子コメント)
Still better than Destiny.
[–]mrNONDESCRIPTVacuum tube adeptus mechanicus 3ポイント4ポイント5ポイント 1時間前 (0子コメント)
Well its the other way round for Destiny, and its twelve months.
[–]MeesaHugeDickfaceSMELL THAT AIR 3ポイント4ポイント5ポイント 1時間前 (0子コメント)
yall got halo tho, and halo 5 looks pretty damn good
[–]Jord-UK 2ポイント3ポイント4ポイント 2時間前 (0子コメント)
It was mostly because of the way PS3 handled file shit
[–]AmericanCobra 1ポイント2ポイント3ポイント 2時間前 (1子コメント)
I don't think there was a deal with MS at all, IIRC it was because the PS3 was such a bitch and a half to code for that it took longer to get it right.
[–]wolfwolfcat 2ポイント3ポイント4ポイント 47分前 (0子コメント)
Actually it was a bit of both, they did have a deal with microsoft but it is well known that the PS3 was hell on earth for developers to work with because of Sonys poor choice in processors which meant alot of difficulties for devs.
[–]_EC3_ 6ポイント7ポイント8ポイント 3時間前 (0子コメント)
We didn't have dlc or updates for months.
[–]alexandermilton 0ポイント1ポイント2ポイント 1時間前 (0子コメント)
Yeah, horrible combo trying to time releases while working with shit tech. Not sure what they could have done to better that situation other than plan more preemptively..
[–]Shamelesspromote 0ポイント1ポイント2ポイント 28分前 (0子コメント)
Wasn't the issue that Microsoft had to check the update themselves and they were just being super slow about it? same thing with ps3 but sony is slightly faster but they didn't get the DLC deal of having it released on that system first sort of what happened to all the CoDs'?
[–]MacklemormontBethesda Defense Squad 40ポイント41ポイント42ポイント 4時間前 (8子コメント)
I wonder if Pete means no fully console exclusive or timed console exclusive. He didn't necessarily say which.
Hm.
[–]svenhoek86 36ポイント37ポイント38ポイント 3時間前 (5子コメント)
There were no fully exclusive with any other Bethesda game, so I'm guessing the latter.
[–]Mr_Milenko -3ポイント-2ポイント-1ポイント 3時間前 (4子コメント)
The way its worded though is sketchy. Notice he didn't answer the follow up tweet.
[–]TheRealMe99 15ポイント16ポイント17ポイント 2時間前 (0子コメント)
because he already answered the follow up
[–]slothking69 1ポイント2ポイント3ポイント 2時間前 (0子コメント)
Because the guy repeated the same question...Coming to Xbone first is still exclusivity, it's just timed exclusivity.
[–]nosplet 0ポイント1ポイント2ポイント 1時間前 (1子コメント)
Because the answer to the follow up is the same answer to the question, as they're basically the same question.
[–]Mr_Milenko -5ポイント-4ポイント-3ポイント 1時間前 (0子コメント)
But they're not, one is asking if its exclusive to a specific console, or if it will be launched on a certain system first. He didn't directly answer the question of timed exclusivity, and blindly accepting what he said as an answer is stupid.
[–]Packrat1010 0ポイント1ポイント2ポイント 2時間前 (0子コメント)
It looks like the guy asked him that about a half hour ago.
[–]nosplet 0ポイント1ポイント2ポイント 1時間前 (0子コメント)
we aren't doing a DLC exclusive with anyone
I swear you people are trying your hardest to make a good thing seem super sketchy and wrong or something. He means exactly what he says. There's no DLC exclusive BS with anyone, all DLC will be available for all platforms and they'll come out at the same time unless there's complications.
[–]TheUnspeakableHorrorNice hat ya got there. *BLAM!* 13ポイント14ポイント15ポイント 4時間前* (0子コメント)
Cool. I understand why they did it, but it was still annoying as fuck.
I may start looking at that season pass now. Can you imagine how pissed off people would be after preordering the pass, and still having to deal with exclusives?
[–]elulsweptAsk if I care 23ポイント24ポイント25ポイント 4時間前 (0子コメント)
Good to hear. Back in Skyrim I used an xbox, so personally I really didn't care since I was getting it anyways first. However, now I have a PC so it's good to hear everyone will be able to get it first.
[–]Elyna_LilyarelVault 111 25ポイント26ポイント27ポイント 3時間前 (5子コメント)
"But will they come to xbone first?"
He literally just fucking said there will be no exclusive DLC
[–]ProfessorEpicI drink toilet water 9ポイント10ポイント11ポイント 2時間前 (1子コメント)
If it was exclusive it would have only been on Xbox which he answered and said no to. If it was timed exclusive Xbox would get it first and the others at a later date. He didn't specify that it wasn't timed exclusive just that it wasn't exclusive. I'd assume he meant no to both but it was a reasonable follow up question.
[–]EnkiduV3 0ポイント1ポイント2ポイント 1時間前 (0子コメント)
It wasn't a follow up question at all, he just repeated his question. It's not reasonable to repeat the answered question a second time. "We aren't doing a DLC exclusive with anyone," means there aren't any exclusives, timed or otherwise, with any platform.
[–]axaddonELIMINATE ALL SEDITIOUS MATERIAL 1ポイント2ポイント3ポイント 2時間前 (0子コメント)
ikr? I was looking through the comments, glad someone else noticed it
[–]GandalfTheGriefMeme kids 0ポイント1ポイント2ポイント 1時間前 (1子コメント)
The dude seems like he wants them to come to xbox first.
[–]BeastabuelosRailway Rifle Master 1ポイント2ポイント3ポイント 1時間前 (0子コメント)
As if it mattered. I had bf3 when they did premium and I got everything before everyone else and it literally didn't affect me. Why should I care if I have it first? I only care if I don't have it while someone else does. Everything should be released at the same time for everyone as long as it is ready to be done.
[–]RTCanadaDogmeat or no one at all 9ポイント10ポイント11ポイント 4時間前 (2子コメント)
They've replaced that with the incentive towards Microsoft still that you get F3 free of charge with a purchase, along with mod support first. Very glad that it's a parity on future release software though.
[–]MISTER_SPANKY 1ポイント2ポイント3ポイント 3時間前 (1子コメント)
F3 was only free if you preordered on Microsoft website I thought?
[–]ALPB11WE'RE THE TUNNEL SNAKES, THAT'S US 0ポイント1ポイント2ポイント 3時間前 (0子コメント)
I think so, maybe just from Microsoft and select retailers.
If you want to play it on xbox one, it's gonna be backwards compatible by the time FO4 drops, so any old copy should work.
[–]AndrewFlashRemember the Divide 4ポイント5ポイント6ポイント 3時間前 (2子コメント)
So it's not Destiny. Yay
[–]piercehead 3ポイント4ポイント5ポイント 1時間前 (1子コメント)
Correct. It's a game that's actually releasing on the PC, so obviously it's nothing like Destiny.
[–]nater255Paladin 0ポイント1ポイント2ポイント 8分前 (0子コメント)
It will probably contain actual content, unlike Destiny.
[–]jennyCKC 1ポイント2ポイント3ポイント 3時間前* (4子コメント)
i dont think beth would have released a season pass if they knew they were a) going to do console exclusive dlcs, and b) have giant gaps between dlc launches for each console
also i don't understand why there were giant delays for skyrim dlcs on ps3 but no delays for fallout 3. Please dont fuck me over again Bethesda!
[–]Ironmunger2 1ポイント2ポイント3ポイント 3時間前 (1子コメント)
I could be wrong, but the reason for no fallout 3 delays on other consoles may have been because Microsoft might not have expected it to be as big a hit as it was, so they didn't bother getting any special times exclusive deals or anything. with skyrim, they knew it'd be big, so they made sure to get the special deals
[–]TechnologicalDiscord -1ポイント0ポイント1ポイント 2時間前 (0子コメント)
Microsoft exclusivity was only for a month. The reason it took so long 5o release the Skyrim DLC was because the PS3 is needlessly difficult to program for.
[–]TechnologicalDiscord 0ポイント1ポイント2ポイント 2時間前 (0子コメント)
Fallout 3 DLC was delayed PS3.
[–]BeastabuelosRailway Rifle Master 0ポイント1ポイント2ポイント 1時間前 (0子コメント)
Battlefield does season passes and bf3 had a funky release schedule because ps3 got everything 2 weeks early and if you had the pass you got it 2 weeks early so it went pass ps3 people, then pass xbox and pc. then no pass ps3, then everyone else. So if you had a ps3 and a pass, you got it a month before those without either.
[–]Psychoshy1101Gary? 1ポイント2ポイント3ポイント 2時間前 (0子コメント)
Thank God. I would be pissed if they ignore PC
[–]MistahFixIt༼ つ ◕_◕ ༽つ➃ Bathmazda Pls 0ポイント1ポイント2ポイント 3時間前 (1子コメント)
Good to know, but I thought the DLC release delay for Skyrim was due to the PS3's weird architecture?
[–]Dark_Lotus 0ポイント1ポイント2ポイント 1時間前 (0子コメント)
It was but the Xbox version still had 1 month exclusively
[–]snarfandfriends 0ポイント1ポイント2ポイント 2時間前 (0子コメント)
I honestly lost track of this being a possibility but its certainty relieving to hear it won't be an issue.
[–]irradiatedWolfWelcome home 0ポイント1ポイント2ポイント 2時間前 (0子コメント)
Good, no need to have one platform above another.
[–]TheHeroicOnion 0ポイント1ポイント2ポイント 1時間前 (0子コメント)
Whoo whoo!
[–]jedi168 0ポイント1ポイント2ポイント 1時間前 (0子コメント)
Good
[–]Il1KECH33SE 0ポイント1ポイント2ポイント 1時間前 (0子コメント)
Doin it right
[–]beastwick001 0ポイント1ポイント2ポイント 59分前 (0子コメント)
Exclusive should not be a word applied to a video game in any way.
[–]Sciencekitten 0ポイント1ポイント2ポイント 57分前 (0子コメント)
Good there should never be "exclusive DLC" for anything its a massively shitty thing to do to fans! good job Bethesda .
[–]jazaniacAve 0ポイント1ポイント2ポイント 48分前 (0子コメント)
Well, to be fair, PC users always get exclusive, free DLC.
[–]TheInnerFish 0ポイント1ポイント2ポイント 24分前 (0子コメント)
Thank god, they're done with that despicable practice.
[–]ProbablyHighAsShit -2ポイント-1ポイント0ポイント 3時間前* (71子コメント)
I just hope mod support doesn't take 2 years to come to ps4.
Edit: ITT PCMasterbaters. Nothing to see here.
Edit: console and PC gamers will never reconcile. We have different values when it comes to priorities for gaming. It doesn't have to just be graphics.
[–]Xrayruester 7ポイント8ポイント9ポイント 2時間前 (1子コメント)
The way it sounded, Bethesda pretty much said it is up to Sony now. They are willing, but Sony needs to make it happen.
[–]ProbablyHighAsShit 2ポイント3ポイント4ポイント 2時間前 (0子コメント)
Thank you for the reasonable response.
[+]BlueSun288 スコアが基準値未満のコメント-17ポイント-16ポイント-15ポイント 3時間前 (68子コメント)
Get a PC. Fix your problems.
[–]ezgamerxBrotherhood 14ポイント15ポイント16ポイント 2時間前 (1子コメント)
Do you really have to be that guy?
[+]GuyAboveIsStupid スコアが基準値未満のコメント-11ポイント-10ポイント-9ポイント 2時間前 (0子コメント)
I mean, it would fix his no mods problem
[+]ProbablyHighAsShit スコアが基準値未満のコメント-24ポイント-23ポイント-22ポイント 3時間前* (14子コメント)
Nope. A PC does not fix any problems. You masterrace fanboys have your heads so far up your asses to think a PC is the best solution for everything.
Edit: the circlejerk is strong. I swear you guys have more fun downvoting console players, than going through that Steam library full of games you've never played.
[–]ProKrastinat0r 8ポイント9ポイント10ポイント 3時間前 (2子コメント)
Fuck, as a PC owner and a console owner these arguments really confuse me.
[+]ProbablyHighAsShit スコアが基準値未満のコメント-8ポイント-7ポイント-6ポイント 2時間前 (1子コメント)
The best way for a PC owner to rationalize their investment is by claiming superiority over consoles. This makes sense at face value because the only people who give a shit about specs are gamers, and a non-gamer will have an ambivalent response to a PC gamer who may be bragging about building a new gaming rig.
Having a nice gaming rig and talking shit to console gamers is the equivalent of buying a Lamborghini because you have a small penis.
[–]ComradeChernovHome on the Wastes 0ポイント1ポイント2ポイント 47分前 (0子コメント)
People have the liberty to invest in a PC if they want the best possible. People who bash consoles just for the sake of it are assholes. We get it depends on your situation. Don't let a few bad apples spoil the basket.
[–]FrenzyGr91 7ポイント8ポイント9ポイント 3時間前 (0子コメント)
Not being a fanboy or anything but it is. I still prefer to play games on console because it's more relaxing although that will change because I am getting a bigger screen for my PC to play from the bed using the 360 controller
[–]kami77Vault 111 7ポイント8ポイント9ポイント 3時間前 (2子コメント)
Eh, most of us have a console or two for exclusives as well. The master race thing is just a joke that we sometimes take too far.
PRAISE LORD GABEN
[–]BeastabuelosRailway Rifle Master 3ポイント4ポイント5ポイント 1時間前 (1子コメント)
The master race thing is just a joke that we sometimes take too far.
That's not true anymore.
[–]_EC3_ 0ポイント1ポイント2ポイント 35分前 (0子コメント)
Yep. I thought it was funny at first (this is coming from a mostly console gamer) then it kept on and on and on... now some of them take it seriously.
[–]saltyshyster 3ポイント4ポイント5ポイント 3時間前 (2子コメント)
Well that was rude.
[+]ProbablyHighAsShit スコアが基準値未満のコメント-8ポイント-7ポイント-6ポイント 3時間前 (1子コメント)
Whenever someone has something to say about longer release date schedules for consoles, the top comment is always, get a PC. It's stupid. It's a subjective argument but you desk warriors speak the loudest, apparently.
[–]saltyshyster 5ポイント6ポイント7ポイント 2時間前 (0子コメント)
You do get that out of any PCMR member in this thread, you are the rudest and angriest person? You're the one people aren't liking in this thread because you're being mean.
[–]BeastabuelosRailway Rifle Master 0ポイント1ポイント2ポイント 1時間前 (1子コメント)
going through that Steam library full of games you've never played.
Seeing this bothers me so much. Why buy games if you're not going to play them.
[–]ComradeChernovHome on the Wastes 0ポイント1ポイント2ポイント 43分前 (0子コメント)
You seriously need to understand that 90% of those games we got dirt cheap with all the sales steam has. When an entire collection is 15 bucks why wouldn't you get it?
[+]ShittyComicGuy スコアが基準値未満のコメント-21ポイント-20ポイント-19ポイント 3時間前 (1子コメント)
Your'e on a PC now, are you not please silence your heresy console peasant.
[–]ProbablyHighAsShit 7ポイント8ポイント9ポイント 3時間前 (0子コメント)
I'm on my phone.
[+]BrickLuvsLampThrow your tea in Granny's face スコアが基準値未満のコメント-20ポイント-19ポイント-18ポイント 3時間前 (10子コメント)
Yeah, let me just buy a thousand dollar computer, as if I have the money to just do that.
[–]ADaddyHansenIgnacio Rivas 2ポイント3ポイント4ポイント 3時間前 (8子コメント)
Try and think of console vs PC price as a line with a low y intercept and a high slope, and a high intercept with a low slope respectively. The initial purchase of a console vs a capable PC setup is probably a couple hundred dollars cheaper. However, between paying $80 a year for multiplayer and $60-$70 for new games, maintaining a console is going to be more expensive than PC(free multiplayer, steam sales, GreenManGaming/HumbleBundle). So after maybe a couple years of gaming, more or less depending on how much you play and how many games you buy, the total amount of money you have spent on PC vs Console will be the same, and from then on out PC is cheaper.
It's just that initial couple hundred more that makes PC seem not viable, I've been on console pretty much my whole life but I'll be building a PC soon.
[–]BrickLuvsLampThrow your tea in Granny's face 4ポイント5ポイント6ポイント 2時間前 (3子コメント)
I'm sure a nice PC would definitely pay off, the problem is that my PS4 was a gift, I don't play games online, and I'm not in a position any time soon to build a nice PC. I have an MSi laptop that I play all of the other Fallouts (and some other games) on, but obviously that computer can't run any new AAA titles, so those are the games I get for the PS4. If money was no object, I'd have a nice PC for most of my gaming but still a PS4 since I like playing games like Madden with my friends when they come over, and also console exclusives.
[–]Bgndrsn 1ポイント2ポイント3ポイント 2時間前 (2子コメント)
Well getting a gaming laptop is kinda meh. If that's what you really want and makes you happy then I'm happy for you and ignore what I write below.
You pay such a premium for gaming laptops and they have massive heat and battery/power issues. Instead of $1300 for a gaming laptop you could get a pretty decent pc for $800-900 and an okay $400 laptop for browsing and watching movies.
What I love about pc is how flexible it is. Depending on what you want and your budget there's a lot you can do. Unless you want 4k or gaming laptops, those are just super premium.
[–]BrickLuvsLampThrow your tea in Granny's face 1ポイント2ポイント3ポイント 2時間前 (1子コメント)
The laptop was mostly for browsing the Internet and school work, I didn't buy it specifically for gaming, but I figured i could do some gaming on it. Believe me, when I eventually get a new computer, I'm not going pre-made, and I'll probably build one, but I can't really do that now.
[–]Bgndrsn 1ポイント2ポイント3ポイント 2時間前 (0子コメント)
Well have fun in that adventure when the time comes :)
[–]IFE-Antler-Boy 1ポイント2ポイント3ポイント 2時間前 (1子コメント)
What dollars are you using? If it's American, you spend like 35 bucks on Live/PSN if you use cdkeys and 60 or so otherwise per year, and never more than $60 per game unless you get the special game package.
Doesn't change the fact that Steam sales are the bomb and make PC entirely worth it.
[–]ADaddyHansenIgnacio Rivas 0ポイント1ポイント2ポイント 2時間前 (0子コメント)
Right, my bad. I used to play on 360 and back then it was $60 a year if you bought it all at one time, and more expensive if you renewed biannually or quarterly. Nice to see they made it cheaper. I still stand by what I said about PC being more affordable in the long run.
[–]gostigustNCR 0ポイント1ポイント2ポイント 2時間前 (1子コメント)
I only buy 3-4 games at most a year, and usually on single player, so consoles would still be cheaper for me.
Fair enough, I'm not trying to bash on consoles.
[+]MacklemormontBethesda Defense Squad スコアが基準値未満のコメント-26ポイント-25ポイント-24ポイント 3時間前 (39子コメント)
A good gaming rig can set someone back 2000-2500 dollars.
[–]chlamydius 5ポイント6ポイント7ポイント 3時間前 (16子コメント)
CAN, it doesn't have to. You would easily run fallout 4 on a pc half that price.
[–]TreeQuizJingle-Jangle[S] 4ポイント5ポイント6ポイント 2時間前 (9子コメント)
More like a quarter of the price
[–]Bgndrsn 1ポイント2ポイント3ポイント 2時間前 (8子コメント)
Pffft wait for it to atleast come out before saying that.
[–]TreeQuizJingle-Jangle[S] 2ポイント3ポイント4ポイント 2時間前 (7子コメント)
A $750 PC could easily run pretty much every game out right now. I doubt fallout 4 will be the exception.
[–]Bgndrsn 0ポイント1ポイント2ポイント 2時間前 (6子コメント)
I can also "run" games in 4k if I'm okay with 25-30fps. Too many people see stuff like this and expect their $700pc to run games at 1080p 60fps in ultra. Im not as much disagreeing that it wouldnt be able to handle it I just don't agree with the way it comes off if that makes sense.
[–]TreeQuizJingle-Jangle[S] 1ポイント2ポイント3ポイント 1時間前 (5子コメント)
It is completely reasonable to expect a ~$700 PC to run Fo4 1080p, Ultra 60FPS. The game didn't look bad, but it was by no means Crysis 3 or GTA V.
[–]Bgndrsn -1ポイント0ポイント1ポイント 1時間前 (4子コメント)
I know its unreasonable but people who are looking at getting into PCs think this and end up disappointed.
[–]OniNomad 1ポイント2ポイント3ポイント 2時間前 (5子コメント)
Which still puts it in the area of 3Xs the cost of a PS4. If you wanted to put the work in and knew what you what doing you could build a PC with the spec you'd ( likely ) need for a hundred or 2 more than a PS4 but really its not worth it if your only worried about modding a game or 2. Besides anyone that has the skills to build themselves a gaming PC isn't likely you have a PS4 but not a gaming PC.
[–]Bgndrsn -1ポイント0ポイント1ポイント 2時間前* (4子コメント)
A child could build a pc. It's literally putting things in the slot they fit in without trying to smash it in like a gorilla. It's like 7-8 parts and some power cables.
You can downvote me if you want but it doesn't make me less right. The cpu only fits in 1 spot. RAM only fits where the RAM goes. The gpu and work cards etc go in various length PCI slots and they only fit in the slot of their length. 4 pin goes to 4 pin 6 pin to 6 pin 8 pin to 8 pin.
[–]OniNomad -1ポイント0ポイント1ポイント 1時間前 (3子コメント)
And you'll need to know what kind of PCI slot the motherboard has when you order both it and the card. Most people don't even know there's a difference. Forget that they need to know what power supply they need, they'll want the cheapest that will work because we talking a budget build. Do they need to go DDR3 or can they save money on the RAM at the cost of performance. Ooh and which processor should they "smash in there" to get the most bang for their buck? Now where should they start pricing the motherboard that fits the processor , RAM and casing they choose? Yeah building a PC is easy if you ask the right questions but first your have to have a clue what those questions are. Add that your trying to hit a certain spec under a small budget and it's not that easy for a laymen.
[–]Bgndrsn 0ポイント1ポイント2ポイント 1時間前 (2子コメント)
Take the easy way out and buy a steam machine. There are also plenty of builds out there you can just copy. Hell you can even go to pcpartspicker picker and it will compatibility check for you, even has other builds for you to copy.
You can also just go to r/buildapcforme and ask questions and asks for builds. Another crazy thought, ask questions and do some research on your own.
It literally comes down to effort and if people don't want to put in the effort that's fine but don't make it something far more complicated than it really is. It takes the same amount of research as anyone should do when making a big purchase.
[–]OniNomad 0ポイント1ポイント2ポイント 1時間前 (1子コメント)
But that's my point, it seems easy to us but I work retail electronics and most people lack the knowledge to know what they don't know. You're right the answers are easy to find, figuring what the questions are is where most people will falter.
Edit: and your might be shocked how little research goes into most people's big purchases. "I'll be stuck with the this phone for 2 years? Well then which has the better camera Android or iPhone?"
[–]Bgndrsn 0ポイント1ポイント2ポイント 53分前 (0子コメント)
Oh I'm well aware how stupid people can get. I have no pity for people too lazy to look into something before they buy. The only argument they can make is they were to lazy to do some research for their phone/TV/laptop/console/computer/appliance.
Them being lazy doesn't make their choice correct. People can have preferred platform be ps4, wii, xbone, ds, pc for whatever reason they want. That's their choice idc what they do. What I care about i people making PCs seem super complex and super expensive, or lying about stuff. People need to stop pretending they don't care about graphics or fps or even how the company treats their customers. Hell there's a lot of dickheads who spend $2-3000 and shame those who don't have enthusiast level systems and that irritates me the most.
[–]Tortoise_Rapist 14ポイント15ポイント16ポイント 3時間前 (10子コメント)
I spent $800 and can run pretty much anything at ultra.
[+]MacklemormontBethesda Defense Squad スコアが基準値未満のコメント-17ポイント-16ポイント-15ポイント 3時間前 (9子コメント)
That's still a lot of money for someone to just blow.
[–]Tortoise_Rapist 12ポイント13ポイント14ポイント 3時間前 (7子コメント)
If you only want to spend the 4-500 that a console would cost, you can still built a rig that can run games better than those consoles for the same price. Install Steam OS, and use everything you would already be using for the console.
[–]ProKrastinat0r 5ポイント6ポイント7ポイント 3時間前* (6子コメント)
Or don't install steam OS so you can use other programs too
Edit: pretty sure Fallout 4 won't have linux support anyway
[–]Tortoise_Rapist 1ポイント2ポイント3ポイント 3時間前 (4子コメント)
Ehh, Windows can be expensive. There's that one subreddit that I can't remember the name of that you can get a windows key for like $15-$20 though.
[–]ProKrastinat0r 2ポイント3ポイント4ポイント 3時間前 (3子コメント)
True but if someone is spending the money on a new PC I'm sure they can afford Windows. Most devs still aren't supporting Linux so as a gamer you probably would want Windows anyway
[–]Tortoise_Rapist 2ポイント3ポイント4ポイント 3時間前 (2子コメント)
True.
And it was /r/microsoftsoftwareswap for the cheap keys. That's what I used.
[–]OniNomad 0ポイント1ポイント2ポイント 2時間前 (0子コメント)
$100+ to put Windows on or the challenge of learning a whole new OS like GNU isn't really with it for many if they only plan to use it for the singular use as Steam machine. Personally I'd rather a more rounded Linux based OS but it would be a pain to learn a OS that you're unlikely to use outside that one PC.
[–]kami77Vault 111 1ポイント2ポイント3ポイント 2時間前 (0子コメント)
Yeah, especially when that PC can do nothing but play games :(
[–]ShittyComicGuy 6ポイント7ポイント8ポイント 3時間前 (2子コメント)
A "good" gaming rig will only set you back about 600-1,000 dollars. Research before you post something out of your ass.
[+]MacklemormontBethesda Defense Squad スコアが基準値未満のコメント-9ポイント-8ポイント-7ポイント 3時間前 (1子コメント)
1000 dollars is still quite a bit.
I don't appreciate your attitude.
[–]ShittyComicGuy 4ポイント5ポイント6ポイント 3時間前 (0子コメント)
It's still 1,000-1,500 dollars cheaper than what you said before. and yes it is expensive and it's not an overnight thing either you can save up for it like i did and use a shitty laptop or what have you in the mean time.
[–]EliteDonkeyWasteland Terror 2ポイント3ポイント4ポイント 3時間前 (6子コメント)
I just helped my buddy build a fantastic rig for $500. That's only a little more than a console.
[–]MacklemormontBethesda Defense Squad 4ポイント5ポイント6ポイント 3時間前 (3子コメント)
Well then, I've been thoroughly educated.
If you need help figuring out builds or have questions in general visit r/buildapc or r/buildapcforme. You'd be amazed at how cheap you can go or how far over the top. All depends on what you want or your budget.
[–]MacklemormontBethesda Defense Squad 1ポイント2ポイント3ポイント 2時間前 (1子コメント)
Thanks, actually. I do hope to get a PC one day for vidya.
If you have questions feel free to ask. There's so much misinformation from console fanboys and dick pc users its confusing to a lot of people.
Would you mind sharing the parts n stuff you used with me?
Not op but as I've said to others in this thread go visit r/buildapc or r/buildapcforme and see what you can do with your budget. They will be more than happy to help you.
[–]BlueSun288 1ポイント2ポイント3ポイント 3時間前 (0子コメント)
Close, but you're off by about $2000 dollars. You can build a better computer than any console for the same price.
[–]motu8pre 0ポイント1ポイント2ポイント 2時間前 (0子コメント)
Good. As a PC gamer (where their games started!) I felt pretty shafted for supporting them for so long and being made to wait.
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I believe it's Zenimax that makes these deals, no?
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