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[–]adwcta[S] 208ポイント209ポイント  (41子コメント)

Thought you guys might want to check this out if you missed it on stream yesterday. Been in the works for about 5 months. Glad to finally have it ready for release!

100% free for the Arena community, as always. =)

Target release date: October 1 (could be delayed by a week or so).

Best,
ADWCTA

edit: more live demonstrations from me and Merps on today's Warlock Arena Coop at 7:30pm NY time; and every weeknight this coming week as well. HYPE!

[–]Adys 4ポイント5ポイント  (22子コメント)

How come you guys built your own deck tracker alongside this? This stuff could've made for a great HDT plugin, which would incidentally make it compatible with all the other deck tracker plugins out there. I mean, I'm guessing there was some kind of deal made with overwolf, though the site isn't very transparent about it.

I mentioned this before but consider joining our channel some time. The stream and the insights into your algorithm was fascinating.

Edit: I cannot believe I have to specify this but no, this is not some weirdass attempt at soiling HearthArena's name, and I did not know how Overwolf's involvement affected this at all (I assumed, incorrectly, that there was money involved). I'm super interested in HearthArena, I love HDT, and I would've liked to see the two in the same program rather than separate.

And it's really dumb that any discussion here is getting downvoted, seriously.

[–]bishop252 18ポイント19ポイント  (0子コメント)

great HDT plugin

What makes you think they would want to be a plugin to somebody else's program? A deck tracker program isn't exactly hard to develop and this way, they're a relatively standalone program that they can monetize.

[–]adwcta[S] 61ポイント62ポイント  (20子コメント)

There was a thread on this subreddit Overwolf made a while back (Feb maybe?) basically with their mock-up of what a drafting companion would look like on Overwolf. It got a ton of upvotes. The most upvoted comment was "Hey, you should talk to the HearthArena guys, and get HearthArena on Overwolf, because that would be AWESOME!".

So, they did.
And, we did.

"How come you didn't. . ." puts us in the impossible position of trying to prove a negative. We didn't, because that's how it worked out. HearthArena is literally one guy programming this thing on our end, and two more guys running on hamster wheels trying to improve the algorithm and keep up with Blizzard's frequent expansions. It wasn't like we got pitched by 5 overlay providers and ran some A/B testing.

The "deal" with Overwolf is that we use them and they let us. That's it. It's not any more complicated than that. As you can see, they didn't even provide a launch trailer for us or any kind of support. It's 100% us. They just provide the dev tools. It's not like they paid us money to use them over some other overlay provider.

We provide things for free. We are not hyper-sophisticated parties. We try our best not to get ripped off. But between our quality and the very little we ask from people, you're going to end up profiting if you work with us. It's that simple. In this case, it happens to be Overwolf.

[–]wuint 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

so would you be open to someone developing a plugin for HDT that uses heartharena as a backend?

[–]Pseudogenesis 1ポイント2ポイント  (1子コメント)

HearthArena is literally one guy programming this thing on our end, and two more guys running on hamster wheels trying to improve the algorithm and keep up with Blizzard's frequent expansions.

So did you or Merps program the site yourself, or are you working with somebody else who builds it? Just curious; either way, major props, it's an awesome service.

[–]adwcta[S] 11ポイント12ポイント  (0子コメント)

We are the two guys on the hamster wheel. The HearthArena owner-programmer works full time on this, does 100% of the programming, web development, server work, etc, and gets the bulk of the profits from our ads.

[–]fangisland 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

To go a little further in terms of HDT integration - you can use the upcoming HA Companion purely for building your deck, then use HDT for deck tracking purposes after it's built. That's how it currently works anyway, and if you use NetDeck, you simply click a button on your current HA run webpage and it pulls the deck into HDT. Easy peasy.

[–]TehRoger 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

This looks amazing, thanks!

[–]Mc6arnagle -3ポイント-2ポイント  (1子コメント)

I know you guys are arena focused, but could you also do constructed deck tracking just so I wouldn't have to keep switching programs or running multiple programs, or can it already do that?

[–]TheFreeloader 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

The programmer/owner of HearthArena said in ADWCTA's Twitch chat yesterday that he will probably also make a deck tracker for constructed later.

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    [–]Tweequeg 77ポイント78ポイント  (27子コメント)

    This is going to make arena a lot harder. Like the overlays in poker made poker harder.

    [–]re-D 24ポイント25ポイント  (19子コメント)

    the average hearthstone player wont even use this. because they wont find out about it

    [–]GrayLo 43ポイント44ポイント  (13子コメント)

    Of course they will, in what world do you live in ?

    When Reynad got legend with Zoo or Face Warrior a while ago, the NEXT DAY the ladder was only this particular deck, so the information gets passed on VERY quickly among players when it's important, or proven to be effective.

    [–]cessern 48ポイント49ポイント  (4子コメント)

    The different is that you can see that a player is playing zoo in ladder inside hearthstone, while the only way you can find out about this arena overlay is through friends or websites.

    [–]Mefistofeles1 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

    This is a very good point.

    [–]Kharaaz 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

    To be honest whenever someone I know who is new to the game asks me how to do well in arena, I advise them to start with using Heartharena and after getting experience to try drafting for themselves. I wouldn't be surprised if a lot of other players did the same and thus the word gets passed around.

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      [–]Kysen 6ポイント7ポイント  (1子コメント)

      The average player is down in the low ranks, where you see those decks a lot less. Even above rank 10 you're seeing a small minority of players.

      Could say the same about arena, though - the average player is below 3 wins. Above that you'll see more using these tools.

      [–]XJ-0461 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

      I looked at the little rank stats and it said rank 11 was top 20%.

      [–]Izenhart 5ポイント6ポイント  (0子コメント)

      Of course they will, in what world do you live in ?

      In the world where HS is played by dozen of millions of players, more than half on Smartphones and tablets where this program won't work, and where this video will get a few thousand Youtube clicks and far less views on Reddit.

      Probably less than 1% of the entire Hearthstone playerbase will actually install and use this tool. In our world.

      [–]Om_Nom_Zombie 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

      Getting a deck from the most popular hearthstone deck site isn't the same as signing up on a site or downloading an overlay.

      [–]WeaponizedKissing -2ポイント-1ポイント  (3子コメント)

      Of course they will, in what world do you live in ?

      The one where Hearthstone Deck Tracker and the Arena Helper Plugin already exist and have been doing basically the same thing for months, using the same Hearth Arena data.

      So you could do all this already for 6 months or so. Why will arena change now?

      [–]kev0ut -1ポイント0ポイント  (1子コメント)

      What are you talking about. There are almost 300k users on this sub.

      [–]4_fortytwo_2 6ポイント7ポイント  (0子コメント)

      With millions of hearthstone players the majority of them will still not know or care about things like this.

      [–]vinniedamac 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

      That sucks those players now doesn't it..

      [–]Tweequeg 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

      Arena is already much harder due to the resources available to judge cards. I think word will get out fast that there's a tool that lets you make basically perfect arena decks.

      You'll still have to play it and everything, but I think it will be harder with less "fish" drafting garbage.

      The average player is going to get killed by people using the overlays and decide arena isn't for them. This happened in poker too.

      [–]Mefistofeles1 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

      After 4 wins, basically every opponent you find will be using this.

      That being said, lots of people were already using Heartharena, and after the 6-7 win range everyone is good enough to not need it to have a good deck.

      So it is going to make arena harder, but not terribly harder.

      [–]spoinkaroo 0ポイント1ポイント  (1子コメント)

      can you elaborate?

      [–]Tweequeg 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

      A few years after Online poker got popular, people made overlays that would track other users and tell you how often they bluffed, how aggressively they played, etc. For example, you could see the percentage of time someone re-raised. If they barely ever did it, you could be pretty sure that their re-raise was "genuine" and they probably had a great hand. If they re-raised all the time, it was more likely they were bluffing.

      They were a huge advantage over people not using them, and sites that didn't allow tracking software had much easier games and more fish.

      [–]Om_Nom_Zombie 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

      Well, it's not doing anything Heartharena and a deck tracker wasn't already doing. It's not going to make a huge difference.

      [–]karshberlg 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

      I think people who really wanted to use heartharena were already using heartharena, now it's just more comfortable to do so. And their system has flaws, for example I was drafting a druid and it kept telling me not to pick 2 drops despite only having 3 because they had "negative effect on our deck archetype", which I assume was attrition.

      And similarly, in another draft it told me to pick an argent squire over a kvaldir raider because it was an "aggro" deck. As they said the archetype does a lot of the work on the picks as well as the synergies but a lot of times you just want the better pick instead of the better pick for the deck archetype or the better pick for the synergies.

      [–]lecheesesammich 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

      True but remember it's still up to the player to use these cards correctly.

      [–]TheFreeloader 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

      I don't think it will make it much harder for good Arena players. Most good players usually win their first few games each run by a landslide. If those games become a bit closer, it will not change much. And once you get to past 3-4 wins, most people you face have decks that are as good as those you draft with HearthArena.

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        [–]PrecariousPacifier 84ポイント85ポイント  (7子コメント)

        HearthArena has always been driving the Arena experience forward, but this implementation takes it on a whole different level. This is huge, and I expect Arena to become a lot more competitive real soon.

        [–]Flashbomb7 28ポイント29ポイント  (3子コメント)

        It's worth noting that this is already possible by using the Heartharena website and a deck tracker, all this app does is streamline it into a more convenient format.

        [–]Monory 4ポイント5ポイント  (0子コメント)

        That is enough to make people use it. I have a friend who casually plays arena and doesn't like to bother typing in so many card names so he just doesn't use heartharena. He would use this and have better decks for it.

        [–]neodar 6ポイント7ポイント  (1子コメント)

        I used to play a lot of arena (average 5 wins) and even though I haven't in a while I'm considering coming back just for a chance to use this, I'm sure many others are as well

        [–]Scrubilicious 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

        I don't play arena because I suck at building decks. So it's safe to say there will be more people in arena with better decks (tbh if I knew about heartharena sooner I would've started playing arena sooner.)

        [–]Tap90 -1ポイント0ポイント  (0子コメント)

        when i hear or read the word "huge" i always have to think about D. Trump (Thx Jimmy). So pls stop using it.

        [–]jmxd -5ポイント-4ポイント  (0子コメント)

        lol

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          [–]ApOgedoN 44ポイント45ポイント  (11子コメント)

          Probably unpopular opinion, but overwolf for me is like bloatware.

          [–]_Cream_Corn_ 28ポイント29ポイント  (1子コメント)

          Completely agree

          hearthstone arena overlay!

          awesome

          on Overwolf

          oh...

          [–]nasuellia 4ポイント5ポイント  (0子コメント)

          Same reaction here. I won't use this tool. Too bad, would have been awesome.

          [–]rmm45177 17ポイント18ポイント  (1子コメント)

          What is Overwolf and why is it bad?

          [–]Alexkarino 7ポイント8ポイント  (0子コメント)

          It's a very buggy, laggy, and almost computer crashingly bad software. It was initially made to be a sort of companion with teamspeak and track friends in game as well as allow you to join their teamspeak+channel and a bunch of other neat ideas but the program itself is buggy and it almost always freezes or crashes your game instead of actually working.

          [–]wasniahC 6ポイント7ポイント  (3子コメント)

          Is that an unpopular opinion? I only heard of overwolf from teamspeak saying "Hey, install this thing!" and shit. Doesn't exactly scream "not bloatware"

          Seeing this though, I might give that a try

          [–]ApOgedoN 9ポイント10ポイント  (0子コメント)

          When i had it installed the overall feel of the programm was annoying for me, the interface - running in background - appstore it just felt wrong. I can understand that alot will like the easy way of this addon but a standalone portable-ish app whould have been my dream.

          [–]CookyHS 1ポイント2ポイント  (1子コメント)

          I only heard of overwolf from teamspeak saying "Hey, install this thing!" and shit. Doesn't exactly scream "not bloatware"

          thats just them paying for advertising, mate.

          [–]wasniahC 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

          I understand that. But quite often, that isn't mutually exclusive from bloatware.

          [–]FaceTheTruthBiatch 6ポイント7ポイント  (0子コメント)

          I don't have a state of the art computer, and i installed overwolf for wow and it hurts my performance bad. That and it gets laggy when you open the ingame overwolf browser.

          Maybe i will give it another shot if i upgrade my rig.

          [–]adwcta[S] 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

          Hopefully this is no longer the case and/or changes soon! As we are the second large app coming into Overwolf, I'm hoping the extra traffic can get them some funding so that they can make their overlay better, create a mac version, etc. It's obviously not as well put together as our product, but the App Store launched only earlier this year so they still have much growing ahead of them!

          While it's not impossible that we part ways with Overwolf if things don't improve, we're also not going to do that any time soon. It's really one of the few networked overlays that are available, and everything on the market right now suffers from similar issues to various degrees.

          Creating our own product from scratch would have taken a lot longer, and it would have missed out on the other tools Overwolf provides/will provide.

          Give it shot after HA comes out. If it's not working out for you, then check back in a year and see if there's significant improvement. Everything in this space is basically in a giant testing phase. So, it's exciting, but it won't be the most efficient use of resources, and there will be bugs.

          It will NOT do anything crazy like install viruses on your computer or monitor stuff after you close it or anything like that. And if it does, please let us know ASAP.

          [–]Mefistofeles1 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

          It absolutely is, but now that it has something useful I will give it a shot.

          [–]ninjamies23 17ポイント18ポイント  (2子コメント)

          Wow awesome, typing every card in is obviously quite slow and the overlay looks neat. Great job :)

          [–]myrec1 2ポイント3ポイント  (1子コメント)

          you already can use deck tracker addon for arena which use heartharena scoring, but with much less output. Only number for each card.

          [–]wasniahC 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

          And also a pain in the ass to keep updating. I haven't finished watching the video yet, but hopefully this won't need updating.

          [–]Hadrron 6ポイント7ポイント  (0子コメント)

          As a programmer, I feel I can really appreciate the brains that went into HearthArena. Just from hearing you talk about the algorithms on the surface it was obvious that the system is incredibly complex and couldn't have been made by just anyone. Respect.

          [–]abcdthc 31ポイント32ポイント  (5子コメント)

          You guys totally bailed on your original philosiphy!

          When HA came out you said you didn't want an overlay, that it should require a little work to use.

          Now you are just handing people arena decks! I dont know if this is going to be a healthy addition to the game.

          [–]adwcta[S] 28ポイント29ポイント  (4子コメント)

          We totally did. The peer pressure man... it gets to you. We did give fellow tryhards a 1-year edge to build up that skill though. That's gotta count for something, right? :'(

          [–]abcdthc 3ポイント4ポイント  (2子コメント)

          Yes, it did count for something, and it was an awesome system for a few reasons.

          The obvious, "You gotta work for it"

          Because you gotta work for it, sometimes you dont want to use HA, you just want a quick draft. And that forces you to make your own choices. If HA has done anything for me (and oh, it has!) it taught me how to draft. I dont need it the way i used to. I started to memorize what cards were the best for my favorite class, and now i'm able to draft HA level decks in 1/4 of the time. That was the real benefit. Like a teacher who holds your hand then slowly encourages you to learn more on your own.

          I developed a playstyle, and now sometimes i DONT agree with HA, and i know WHY I'm not agreeing. Thats amazing right there.

          Now that hand holding will just be there. People arent going to learn how to draft, they are going to learn how to get an arena deck handed to them.

          So yeah the year head start was worth it, i can draft great arena decks in 5 min because of HA.

          But from now on , your just handing decks to people. You're welcoming in the "net deck" era of arena play.

          -_-

          (i still love the stream, and HA is still a great tool to track progress. i dont want to come off like i think you guys suck now or something, cause its not like that)

          [–]adwcta[S] 6ポイント7ポイント  (1子コメント)

          The advice bubble will still be at the top for all drafts, providing the same learning tools as the website. I do think you'll get better as a drafter and a player by learning from the algorithm rather than just taking the fish and eating it. So, over time, those who use it as a netdeck to turn their brains off will be much less well served by the overlay than those who try to analyze all the things going on and WHY HearthArena is making the changes it's making.

          Maybe I'm an optimist, but I think there're plenty of people like Merps (who, even as a HA dev, rarely used HA in his own drafts), who's lazy about typing, but not about learning.

          Of course, there will be more people who just take the netdeck and play with it. But, this was all inevitable. There is already in existence a 3rd party software that used an overlay to snipe HearthArena's picks and then upload the results to another record-tracking website. It was only a matter of time before that software (or another one) got popular enough that we'd lose our own algorithm to the 3rd party software due to the overwhelming demand for an overlay.

          Ultimately, it didn't feel like we had much of a choice in the matter of whether we built an overlay or not. It had to happen, and if it had to happen, then we were damn well going to make sure it happened the right way.

          I'm pretty sure the Arena meta can handle the higher influx of HearthArena-assisted decks.

          [–]abcdthc 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

          This is a very solid answer. I dont have the data that allows me to make assumptions like this. You do though, so...

          Im going to have take your word for it.

          Also im not approaching the problem from a business standpoint at all. Just as a player and end user.

          Thanks for the time adwcta. :D

          [–]Mefistofeles1 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

          Now I need heartharena to play the games for me. Also, if it could do my programming, math and physic exams that would be amazing.

          [–]SoManyOfThese 9ポイント10ポイント  (2子コメント)

          From YouTube:

          "This is great and all, but is there a way that you can make a program that clicks the picks for me? Maybe one that will start my computer and load hearthstone for me also? This still seems like a whooole lot of work."

          [–]Swamptrooper 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

          While were at it, can we also make a program that analyzes the best possible scenario and plays it for us? Because that would be great.

          inb4 shaman botting ptsd

          [–]Acias 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

          Make it glow, if it already makes the best card glow orange then i am sorry, still watching.

          [–]ToxicApe 16ポイント17ポイント  (3子コメント)

          Hey guys, any chance this will be compatible for mac any time soon?

          [–]adwcta[S] 17ポイント18ポイント  (2子コメント)

          Overwolf decides what platforms they are available in (we have no control over this). If you go send requests on thier feedback section or forums, maybe they can put the Mac version on the fast track!

          [–]lilgbebe 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

          We need to make this happen for mac!

          [–]M13lus 12ポイント13ポイント  (1子コメント)

          Heard the word Overwolf, yep not getting it.

          [–]warst1993 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

          What is wrong with Overwolf?
          mind to elaborate?

          [–]cobalt_drake 6ポイント7ポイント  (0子コメント)

          I just don't like this. Drafting is the main part of playing arena and this dumbs it down a lot. Playing the deck u get correctly is just as important, but that part isn't too hard once you have a basic understanding of the game (which most regular players do have).

          [–]Imbris2 14ポイント15ポイント  (1子コメント)

          I think this is great! Version 2.0 should tell players what cards to play during games. Version 3.0 should just draft and play by itself while the player watches (or sleeps, whichever!).

          [–]Steve1833 23ポイント24ポイント  (7子コメント)

          Blizz should just put you on the payroll with all the work that you guys have put in.

          arenaBolstersmatter

          [–]Pascal3000 28ポイント29ポイント  (2子コメント)

          To do what? The type of service they offer doesn't really fit into the game. Having ADWCTA and Merps be Blizzard employees would certainly mean the end of HearthArena, as they would be working on different internal projects.

          [–]zeattack 5ポイント6ポイント  (1子コメント)

          I don't understand this subreddit sometimes. You're absolutely right, and have no idea why you're being down voted.

          [–]Ajthib01 13ポイント14ポイント  (0子コメント)

          I think because /u/Steve1833 wasn't being 100% serious, and he took him as being serious.

          All he was saying was "Wow! You guys have done a lot of work and I appreciate it!" I doubt he actually thinks Blizzard should hire them.

          [–]Kolima25 21ポイント22ポイント  (14子コメント)

          i hope this wont happen, everyone will run with same cards, while this looks cool and all, but it kinda kills the spirit of the arena

          [–]WheresTheBabies 16ポイント17ポイント  (0子コメント)

          agree'd

          Ranked = 100% net decks Arena = 100% heartharena'd decks

          [–]Ymir_from_Saturn 21ポイント22ポイント  (5子コメント)

          I completely agree.

          I was surprised that everyone seems to think this is good. It takes the creativity out of your draft when a program literally picks every card for you. That's no fun - and they have an advantage over people of equal skill who are not using this feature, which doesn't seem fun either.

          [–]karshberlg 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

          I am an infinite player and I disagree with HA a lot and think my results would be worse if I followed a 100% HA suggestions. However it's nice to use it because it feels like you are drafting with someone else, and that someone else also reminds you of your deck synergies and all.

          [–]TheFreeloader 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

          This has no functional difference from the HearthArena website. It is just an easier way to use it.

          And it is not like HearthArena always leads you to create the same kind of deck. On the contrary, it recognizes what type of deck you are about to build, and recommends picks which with fit with it, which you might not otherwise have picked yourself. I would say it actually leads to more diverse decks than just a static tier list, which is how a lot of people drafted before HearthArena.

          And I think it is fair enough that everybody gets fairly good decks in Arena. There are enough ways for a skilled player to give themself an advantage in Arena without also needing consistently better decks than their opponent. Despite the prevalence of HearthArena, and more and more RNG being added to the game, it is still not uncommon good Arena players to win more than two-thirds of their games. I actually think most frequent Arena players are actually still seeing their win rates increase despite this, as they find new ways to improve their game.

          [–]de1vos 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

          The program isn't forcing you to pick the cards it recommends. It just quantifies and shows the best option. I think it's great. New players will learn quicker and the arena will become more competitive.

          [–]lecheesesammich 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

          While I agree that the creativity of the arena draft is the best part about Arena, this program is simply to help newcomers to the world of Arena. If you're already getting around 6-7 wins on average every run, you probably won't need to use this so I see no reason why you don't agree with the program. It is the user's decision whether to use some sort of guiding program or not.

          [–]Om_Nom_Zombie -1ポイント0ポイント  (2子コメント)

          everyone will run with same cards, while this looks cool and all, but it kinda kills the spirit of the arena

          This isn't anything new, everyone already runs the same cards and HearthArena exists already.

          [–]scamp41 1ポイント2ポイント  (1子コメント)

          Oh well in that case, since its been around for awhile I guess that means no one can take issue with it anymore /s

          [–]Om_Nom_Zombie 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

          i hope this wont happen

          This implies this will have a big effect and that all of what he said isn't the case already anyway. It's like saying "God, I hope Obama won't be president next week because I think thats an issue".

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            [–]MisterManatee 8ポイント9ポイント  (0子コメント)

            Man, this definitely seems like a bad thing to me. Crafting your deck is a huge part of the skill (and fun!) that goes into arena. It just seems to be fading away. I agree with someone else who said that this is the equivalent of netdecking, if not worse.

            [–]latex2e 7ポイント8ポイント  (8子コメント)

            Have you contacted Blizzard to confirm this is legit? If everyone uses this, arena becomes much more RNGish game. (I think this is a great work though)

            [–]adwcta[S] 12ポイント13ポイント  (0子コメント)

            This does nothing substantive our website hasn't already been doing for almost a year now. So far, Blizzard has been supportive of our work. (Devs etc saying things like "Looks awesome!" And "Keep up the good work!"). No one has direct permission from Blizzard to do anything (we've asked repeatedly for more than a year and gotten no confirm/deny.)

            So, it would be a dick move for Blizzard to shut us down after being so uncommunicative on the logistics while offering general support, but they obviously have all the power.

            We would not support anything that would be a negative for the Arena community (its why we go to great lengths, and great loss of capital, to keep everything free for everyone), and we hope Blizzard recognizes that.

            As I've said before, any infinite player knows gameplay skill > drafting skill. Drafting is just a barrier of entry. It's also why almost all infinite players draft differently. Once you pass a certain point in draft skill, its really hard to say one way is better than another. Arena will be no more RNG than without us. If anything, having more people draft more predictably will reduce the RNG, so you run into less supercombo decks.

            [–]gitykinz -2ポイント-1ポイント  (6子コメント)

            What? I dislike this idea but they don't have to do anything of the sort. And how does it add RNG?

            [–]latex2e -1ポイント0ポイント  (5子コメント)

            It reduces skill-based aspect of arena (card choices), so it makes arena more RNGish relatively.

            [–]gitykinz 6ポイント7ポイント  (3子コメント)

            If anything it would homogenize the picks in arena even more than HA has already. It uses a definite algorithm with defined card values.

            [–]b4b -1ポイント0ポイント  (2子コメント)

            If the cards are homogenized decks the winner is decided by luck, not skill.

            [–]Veserius 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

            people make play mistakes. I just beat a guy who misplayed while having double murloc knight, not protecting them, then badly playing Dr.Boom.

            [–]karshberlg 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

            Right, like what happens on ladder when everyone uses netdecks, people get to legend after a lot of RNG games with a deck while others are stuck at rank 15 with the same deck because RNG unfavours them /s

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              [–]All_My_Loving 3ポイント4ポイント  (1子コメント)

              I think this is going to revolutionize Hearthstone arenas. Heartharena itself has already done that, but most of us are just too lazy to type the cards in every time if we do enough runs. It's going to make the meta more challenging, although I don't think there will be much of a change for mobile drafters.

              [–]vinniedamac 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

              Mobile players will just have to not play if they don't have heartharena deck otherwise they won't be competitive

              [–]caitsu 3ポイント4ポイント  (0子コメント)

              This is what's going to kill the addons for Hearthstone. Blizzard will start reacting for sure now, eventually. Really unhealthy for the game. Debug-log begone!

              [–]sossexy 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

              This is simply amazing omgmgmgmggggmmgmgmg

              [–]MihailRS 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

              I just stopped using Heart Arena after heavy use like a week ago because I felt like I could finally draft a deck ALMOST as well as it and it feels more rewarding to do well with a deck I made on my own than one from a website, but now with this improvement I might have to go back...

              [–]DGenerateX 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

              I really hope this is coming for Mac in the near future!

              [–]alesque4 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

              This is amazing. I look forward to use it !

              [–]jodeln 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

              Since I'm a Mac user, I suppose I'll have to stick to the website but the overlay looks amazing. I just want to say thank you for all the hard work, guys. Heartharena is an incredible tool and I love watching you stream too. So thank you, thank you, and thank you!

              [–]Xusa 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

              /u/adwcta Can I suggest something? A function to slow down the appearing of the values of the cards or a way to make it so that when the cards appear the value will only appear after you press a button.

              This way you can think about which card you think is best and after you've thought anc chose your pick you can activate heartharena to get a second opinion (or simply test your judgement). That's how I do when I use the site. Nice work, keep it up! :)

              [–]a0xion 5ポイント6ポイント  (9子コメント)

              Can you guarantee that we won't get banned for this ?

              [–]adwcta[S] 11ポイント12ポイント  (3子コメント)

              We are not affiliated with Blizzard in any way. So, the obvious answer is no.

              So far, we have heard of zero cases where anyone was banned by Blizzard for using HearthArena.

              As for the Overlay, many very popular streamers use similar programs on stream regularly, and they are not banned. In fact, Blizzard regularly features these streamers in their promotions.

              Those are just the facts. We cannot predict the future of Blizzard policy.

              [–]a0xion -3ポイント-2ポイント  (1子コメント)

              It would be great if you contact Blizzard to get their opinion if it is allowed.

              [–]jadaris 4ポイント5ポイント  (0子コメント)

              Read the whole thread.

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                [–]MtrL 3ポイント4ポイント  (2子コメント)

                You have infinite drafting time, you could do this with a website or whatever.

                [–]malgnaynis 1ポイント2ポイント  (1子コメント)

                I'm with you. I know Brode said anything you can do with a pen and paper is fine, but I've also heard stories about people who got banned even though they were only using deck trackers.

                [–]b4b 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

                I wonder what Brode thinks about StarCraft maphack.

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                  [–]adwcta[S] 8ポイント9ポイント  (5子コメント)

                  Good thinking! Or, you can use HearthArena and learn how to draft the Arena with our helpful instructional bubbles at the top, and watch streamers and learn how to play.

                  Both ways work, I guess!

                  [–]a0xion 4ポイント5ポイント  (5子コメント)

                  Is this allowed by Blizzard ? Where does it get the information about the cards ?

                  [–]TieofDoom -4ポイント-3ポイント  (4子コメント)

                  The information is pulled from Heartharena

                  [–]a0xion 6ポイント7ポイント  (3子コメント)

                  I'm talking about the information about which cards you have to choose.

                  [–]Spheniscus 0ポイント1ポイント  (2子コメント)

                  Logs or reading the screen, either way you won't be breaking any rules.

                  [–]Om_Nom_Zombie 2ポイント3ポイント  (1子コメント)

                  It's looking at the logs, it's not looking at the screen. Otherwise it would record rewards as well.

                  EDIT: I do love how providing accurate information gets downvoted.

                  [–]Adys 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

                  I do love how providing accurate information gets downvoted.

                  This subreddit has a downvote problem, especially in this thread for some reason. But I can confirm that it looks at the game logs.

                  [–]Kytastrophie 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

                  I was just thinking the other day about how this would be amazingly helpful, nice work guys

                  [–]WheresTheBabies 0ポイント1ポイント  (8子コメント)

                  heartharena is hurting the game experience. When I sit down for a FNM draft I do not have a program that tells me what card to pick out of every pack passed my way. Do away with this hand-holding program and allow players to actually think on their own.

                  [–]Drot1234 6ポイント7ポイント  (0子コメント)

                  You can think on your own, as they said it can be used as a "second opinion" or an "arena companion"

                  [–]hazz-o-mazz 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

                  No worries I guess overwolf will kill this for most players and there is no implementation for macs nor tablets nor smartphones.

                  [–]Unranked_scrub 3ポイント4ポイント  (0子コメント)

                  Might as well ask Kripparrian to stop doing his "How good is ...?" series because he doesn't allow players to think on their own with his subjective opinions /s

                  Come on, man.

                  [–]alesque4 2ポイント3ポイント  (1子コメント)

                  heartharena is hurting the game experience

                  Nobody is forcing you to use it and you can "think on you own" even while using it. Blindly following it is obviously bad and there are several picks where you can deviate from the result.

                  [–]WheresTheBabies 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

                  your right, I'm not forced - but if i want to keep up with the meta - and have a level playing field- i would be dumb not to -

                  [–]yaybidet 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

                  I agree with you, but then I think about my smartphone and GPS, and how I don't have to remember locations or phone numbers anymore. Isn't this kind of the same thing? Humans will always seek to make their lives more convenient inside the game world and out.

                  [–]de1vos 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

                  No one is forcing anyone to use this program. And even if you use the program no one is forcing you to pick the option the program recommends.

                  [–]Mefistofeles1 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

                  “For this invention will produce forgetfulness in the minds of those who learn to use it, because they will not practice their memory. Their trust in writing, produced by external characters which are no part of themselves, will discourage the use of their own memory within them. You have invented an elixir not of memory, but of reminding; and you offer your pupils the appearance of wisdom, not true wisdom, for they will read many things without instruction and will therefore seem to know many things, when they are for the most part ignorant and hard to get along with, since they are not wise, but only appear wise.”

                      -Socrates, about the written word

                  Every time anyone makes a tool to help people on any kind of activity, someone always says that it will make them grow lazy and dumb, that it will not let them think and act on their own.

                  All my programming books are not stopping me from "thinking on my own" because they are "holding my hand" and "giving me the solution". They are teaching me how to solve problems, and when I comprehend and apply said solutions is when I truly learn how to program.

                  Heartharena is just that: a resource. An intelligent, very comprehensive one, but still nothing more than a tool. If you know nothing about arena and mindlessly follow the program, you will still get a shitty winrate, and your decks will still be worse than that of an infinite player.

                  But if you pay attention to its recommendations, to the way it calculates the value of cards, you can learn a lot of drafting an arena deck and become a better player.

                  [–]Rollingdeeper 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

                  This is revolutionary.

                  [–]vinniedamac 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

                  Impressive piece of technology... What's next? An overlay to tell me when to play a card or what to attack?

                  [–]NikiHerl 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

                  I assume you will be able to disable the decklist?

                  [–]HatSimulatorOfficial 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

                  I still am on my first FREE arena draft and havent played it yet. I would love this so much

                  [–]GiantP4nda 0ポイント1ポイント  (1子コメント)

                  Awesome thing, will probobly help a lot of people out! But i have one question. Were can i find the app? I can not seem to find it in the overwolf app store. Ty in advance!

                  [–]warst1993 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

                  Release Date Target: October 1, 2015 (could be a week or so later).

                  [–]Tony1pointO 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

                  This looks fantastic, thanks guys!

                  [–]de1vos 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

                  Wow, great work! I just hope my computer can handle the addon so that I don't get lag.

                  [–]anewaccount41 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

                  looks amazing, has blizzard sent you a cease and desist yet? Nah it's the weekend, they are probably waiting until monday morning.

                  [–]ETKalut 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

                  On one hand, I really think this is a cool tool. It's been available for some time but streamlining it will definitely make it more of a "want" for a lot of people.

                  On the other hand, I can't help but feel like this is bad for the spirit of the game. Something just feels off about it.

                  Either way, fantastic work! Really impressive!

                  [–]lkwalden 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

                  I probably won't use this myself, but I'm really excited to share this with some friends of mine who enjoy arena but have a hard time drafting and in turn, doing well. Thanks ADWCTA and Co!

                  [–]troy4u 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

                  Awesome work. Don't be distracted by the Nay sayers. People on the web will bitch at anything even if you hand them a 100 dollar bill and ice cream. Keep it up

                  [–]traggon 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

                  when will be the overlay avaible?

                  [–]_Luckless 0ポイント1ポイント  (7子コメント)

                  As someone who uses Hearthstone Deck Tracker already, I'm really hoping this overlay can work in tandom with it. The fact that it has it's own tracker too makes me worried that I might have to choose between HDT and HearthArena but if there is integration for both of them to be running at the same time then this'll be amazing to have!

                  [–]wasniahC 0ポイント1ポイント  (3子コメント)

                  It seems to me like it will! I'm hoping you can turn off the decklist showing on the left, and just use the automatic decklist shown on the right, though

                  [–]_Luckless 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

                  Well the demonstration showed that you can move the decklist to whatever position you want so that won't be an issue. Both trackers appear to do the same thing so which one I primarily use during gameplay isn't a problem. All I care about is still being able to record my stats with HearthStats while at the same time using the HearthArena one for drafts, without having to exit one of them to facilitate the other.

                  [–]adwcta[S] 0ポイント1ポイント  (1子コメント)

                  Confirmed. You can turn off the decktracker part of the overlay very easily. Not sure how running both programs will work, but I guess we'll see!

                  [–]scenia 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

                  If it offers the same features HDT does, there's not really a reason to use both at the same time, is there?

                  [–]WeaponizedKissing 0ポイント1ポイント  (1子コメント)

                  In case you didn't know already, there's a plugin for HDT that already ties into the HearthArena data. Doesn't link into your own HearthArena account on the site, but it does rank picks and auto saves the deck into HDT.

                  [–]fridgeylicious 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

                  That's not at all the same thing... that just shows ADWCTA's tier score values, not "HearthArena data". HA does a lot more than just tell you what card would be best in a vacuum.

                  [–]Sawovsky -1ポイント0ポイント  (0子コメント)

                  That play into explosive trap FailFish

                  [–]ThudnerChunky 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

                  Congrats. That's some really nice work.

                  [–]Parsly 0ポイント1ポイント  (1子コメント)

                  Out of curiosity, what schools did you guys go to?

                  [–]vinniedamac -1ポイント0ポイント  (0子コメント)

                  University of Phoenix

                  [–]Stormholt 0ポイント1ポイント  (3子コメント)

                  Can u guys answer me something, how this software identfy the cards? Because if i'm playing hearthstone on another language it will work properly?

                  [–]UdonUdon -1ポイント0ポイント  (0子コメント)

                  I'm not a developer of any sort, but my understanding is each Hearthstone card has a unique ID or comes with a set of metadata variables that can be serialized into a unique identifier. In either case, the language setting on the user end should not interfere with the Heartharena's integration with Hearthstone.

                  [–]drt0 -1ポイント0ポイント  (1子コメント)

                  AFAIK it reads the log that hearthstone outputs during the game. I'm pretty sure the log is the same regardless of what the language on the client is.

                  [–]CaptainBritish 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

                  I'm really looking forward to this, HearthArena really helped me improve my Arena play (in the few months I was using it I went from an average of 4/5-3 to usually getting up into the 7/8 win bracket.)

                  I stopped using it after a while because all of the choices sort of became "well, duh" in my head. It works really well not just as an optimization tool but a teaching tool to be honest.

                  The only issue I have with this is the Overwolf integration, I've had nothing but bad experiences with the Overwolf client in the past. I'm certainly not going to be running it for anything but this plugin.

                  [–]roodleypoodleydoodle 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

                  Looks fuckin fantastic!

                  My only question is how cpu intensive is the overlay+overwolf compared to HDT? For people on lower-end machines.

                  [–]spoinkaroo 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

                  As an infinite player I was always too lazy to use heartharena... because typing and it wouldn't alter my picks much. This is a great second opinion (as long as the overwolf stuff isn't really annoying/bulky)

                  [–]Matafoqana 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

                  neat.

                  [–]treeech -2ポイント-1ポイント  (0子コメント)

                  Love it. congrat guys. Great job

                  [–]Trosso -3ポイント-2ポイント  (0子コメント)

                  hope this gets banned.

                  [–]brandy1234 -2ポイント-1ポイント  (1子コメント)

                  Pretty sure Overwolf is crashed right now because I'm trying to download it but it isn't letting me

                  [–]frogbound 6ポイント7ポイント  (0子コメント)

                  Release ist October 1st

                  [–]assassin314 -1ポイント0ポイント  (1子コメント)

                  Is there a mechanism implemented for when a new expansion comes out? What will happen when a card which isn't in HearthArena's database is displayed on screen?

                  [–]adwcta[S] 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

                  We update all expansions on Day0. TGT was updated 24 hours before Blizzard updated TGT.

                  [–]John2k12 -1ポイント0ポイント  (0子コメント)

                  Hopefully my 3-win-average hearth arena decks will start going much higher thanks to it being all automatic now! Right? Right......?

                  Looking forward to this, especially for the built-in draw tracker too.

                  [–]Ancarma -2ポイント-1ポイント  (0子コメント)

                  "Trust us, because we are really smart people."

                  I love you guys.

                  EDIT: typo I noticed: it says "you are 0-0 in an run"

                  EDIT2: I noticed that with the Webspinners, you don't use a function similar to HDT where you can see what cards in their hand are drawn when, or created by what. Is that something that will be added? People might still use the HDT overlay with this so it probably doesn't matter, but I was wondering.

                  [–]b4b -2ポイント-1ポイント  (0子コメント)

                  I have very mixed feelings about this. What is the difference between this and a bot? The obvious next step is botting in the game.

                  Some people will write that "everyone can use this" - obviously everyone can use a bot as well.

                  [–]scamp41 -5ポイント-4ポイント  (0子コメント)

                  I feel like there is a fine line that defines cheating/botting, and this crosses that line.

                  [–]Hgrube -2ポイント-1ポイント  (1子コメント)

                  It's programmed by an anonymous person. You have no reason to trust this person because you don't know them. How do we know there is no secondary malicious function in the program? Have you throughly examined the source code? Is it open source so anyone can examine it?

                  [–]FireDovah 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

                  It sounded to me like they know who he is, he just doesn't want his name publicized.