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[–]NimbleBodhi 227ポイント228ポイント  (40子コメント)

Ha! I suspect the real reason the credit card rates are lower is because they want to encourage that payment method since they can automatically charge you each month, which they wouldn't be able to do with Bitcoin.

[–]FaberfoX 74ポイント75ポイント  (3子コメント)

Yes, this is the real reason. That's why porn affiliate programs can pay you more than a month's fee for each subscriber you bring in. The most important metric for a site is the average retention, for decent sites this is between 2.5 and 3.5 months.

[–]yesboobsofficial 0ポイント1ポイント  (2子コメント)

Affiliate programs are typically 50 percent of sign up and they expect rebills to be too. They're not giving them more than the sub costs but I'm sure there's crazy exceptions out there. Generally if they're doing bundles or something else.

[–]FaberfoX 2ポイント3ポイント  (1子コメント)

I've been out of the loop for some time, but most big programs offer at the webmasters choice, either pay-per-signup or revenue-share. If you go pps, they track the sales you generate, and if they don't meet the expected retention, kick you off the program. Most of them pay over $50 on a $25~$35 signup and delay the payment 30 days, to filter out 'carders' and unusual chargeback volumes. You'll usually make more on revshare long term, but if you have traffic that converts and need quick money, you can start on pps and switch to revshare later on.

[–]yesboobsofficial 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

Sounds dicey. We just have a 50/50 split with known established bloggers/promoters.

[–]dryg 18ポイント19ポイント  (1子コメント)

When MetArt started accepting litecoin they had a promotion in r/litecoin and answered some questions. They said preferred it over cards since the lack of transaction costs and no possibility of chargebacks. Though I don't know if their prices are any different.

[–]CAPEREADER 26ポイント27ポイント  (7子コメント)

Good point! With Bitcoin no recurring billing, which is not what they want. They really hope you forget to cancel at the end of the month, so they can bill you again.

[–]idiotdidntdoit 15ポイント16ポイント  (0子コメント)

which is another reason i love bitcoin.

[–]yesboobsofficial 2ポイント3ポイント  (4子コメント)

You can totally do recurring billing through Coinbase and I have that as a payment option for members.

[–]lclc_ 1ポイント2ポイント  (3子コメント)

Coinbase tokens isn't Bitcoin.

[–]yesboobsofficial -3ポイント-2ポイント  (2子コメント)

K here comes the "lol if you use coinbase you're not using Bitcoin" peeps

[–]lclc_ 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

No, but the Coinbase feature you are describing is only possible because you don't hold the private key. It's not part of Bitcoin.

[–]tetrahydrocannabilol 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

I don't think that using Coinbase is using bitcoin as it was intended, despite the features that Coinbase add to bitcoins functionality by means of their platform.

[–]yesboobsofficial 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

There's recurring billing with Bitcoin and honestly people keep a sub even if they infrequently use it like a gym membership. There's very little forgetting on the part of a member.

[–]kisuka 3ポイント4ポイント  (4子コメント)

Coinbase has a recurring billing option though o.O we use it at www.fakku.net

[–]ed19 0ポイント1ポイント  (3子コメント)

How is that possible?

Unless specifically only coinbase users and not bitcoin users

[–]kisuka 2ポイント3ポイント  (1子コメント)

Specifically only Coinbase. It'll pull funds out of ur coinbase for the rebill, if it doesn't have funds it'll throw an error. after 3 errors it then cancels automatically / pauses it.

[–]kinyutaka 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

Well it's a coinbase thing.

[–]dublbagn 15ポイント16ポイント  (13子コメント)

or...that accepting a "currency" that fluctuates so rapidly can greatly affect what you make.

[–]masterzman 37ポイント38ポイント  (4子コメント)

Not sure why someone would down vote instead of taking the time to respond to this statement. W/e its reddit.

Anyways, when it comes to merchant acceptance in the bitcoin realm, alot of merchant companies such as Bitpay actually 'cash out' your bitcoin at the time of sale at the current exchange rate. If you take a bitcoin payment worth $10, you see $10 cashed out into your bank account for that transaction. This is a very very common option.

[–]thordsvin -5ポイント-4ポイント  (2子コメント)

If you take a bitcoin payment worth $10, you see $10 cashed out into your bank account for that transaction.

Not anymore. They all charge fees now because they're all running out ActualMoneytm

[–]Brizon 3ポイント4ポイント  (0子コメント)

Yes, Coinbase will charge you 1% transaction fees... after you make $1,000,000 in sales.

[–]protestor 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

Hey, credit cards charge higher transaction fees.

[–]Zarutian 10ポイント11ポイント  (2子コメント)

humm... if it fluctuates steadily at say 50 Hz then would it be virtually stable?

[–]zcc0nonA 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

But if they are using an intermediary they get the cash value at the time everytime.

[–]SammieData 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

Price looks pretty stable from where I'm sitting

[–]yesboobsofficial 0ポイント1ポイント  (2子コメント)

Having run an adult site for a year now and taking Bitcoin the entire time, this is most likely the real reason.

[–]Simcom -1ポイント0ポイント  (1子コメント)

You run an adult site and take bitcoin and don't know that the VAST majority of merchants immediately convert to USD? Merchants are only exposed to fluctuations in price if they choose to be.

[–]yesboobsofficial 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

I'm aware. I keep my Bitcoin as Bitcoin. Later on, if I convert to cash, it might be 2013 prices. It's a possibility.

[–]Bitcoinopoly 0ポイント1ポイント  (2子コメント)

We need to get payment channels working in order to do recurring transactions.

[–]mammadori 0ポイント1ポイント  (1子コメント)

How?

[–]Bitcoinopoly 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

You could set up a payment channel between your wallet and theirs. Every month the payment is automatically transacted so long as you are still subscribed to their service. When you eventually unsubscribe a hash of the event is entered into the blockchain and the payment channel is closed.

[–]PoliticalDissidents 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

Some sites offer year round payments to make up for this though. A discount would work quite well in Bitcoin for long time because porn sites pay higher processing fees on credit cards than other sites due to higher charge back risk.

[–]oxxxx 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

My thread from yesterday is relevant here. Even if the initial costs are higher, they could reward long time bitcoin subscribers with an eventually lower monthly fee.

[–]Noosterdam 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

Seems like a classic case of the seen and the unseen. They can see all those extra profits from dudes who are too lazy or forget to cancel their subscriptions in time, but they cannot see all the subscriptions they would have gotten if subscribing didn't involve this huge mental burden of knowing you might forget to cancel later. In fact, likely almost everyone who has ever been burned by this recurring payment trap is reluctant to sign up for other sites with a credit card. Not to mention the issue of questions from wife/mother.

A clean one-and-done payment is a very attractive prospect. The porn sites just need to break out of their "skeev them on the recurring payments" paradigm.

[–]Bit_to_the_future -1ポイント0ポイント  (0子コメント)

So CC are kind of like the sketchy way to pay for porn. Wait one damn minute...the bitcoin CEO an main stream media need to know about this before bitcoin loses market share. #Economy'sofscalewillprevail

[–]oupin 20ポイント21ポイント  (9子コメント)

this business lives on recurring subscriptions - you offer a low monthly price and then automatically renew it forever.

You can't do the same with Bitcoin, users have to initiate the payment every month themselves - great for users, bad for the porn business. that's why you get a higher membership price.

[–]gynoplasty -1ポイント0ポイント  (8子コメント)

I think you can do that through coinbase.

[–]neonzzzzz 9ポイント10ポイント  (7子コメント)

That will mean "accepting Coinbase" not "accepting Bitcoin".

[–]gynoplasty 1ポイント2ポイント  (6子コメント)

Last time I checked coinbase was an option for people who want to accept bitcoin payments. Just like bitpay or many other payment processors.

[–]neonzzzzz -1ポイント0ポイント  (4子コメント)

They will not be recurring payments.

[–]gynoplasty 1ポイント2ポイント  (3子コメント)

[–]neonzzzzz -1ポイント0ポイント  (2子コメント)

Dooh. It's hard to read?

Bitcoin at its lowest level is a “push” technology, meaning the customer needs to initiate each outbound payment. This can be tedious for certain products like the ones mentioned above (e.g. web hosting) and result in late payments for merchants.

Coinbase solves this by letting customers opt in to recurring payments that can be automatically paid from their Coinbase wallet. This is essentially a “pull” technology on top of bitcoin. Customers retain the right to cancel recurring payments at any time from their Coinbase account, and never need to contact the merchant to do this.

This works only for Coinbase users, so it's not "accepting Bitcoin" anymore then.

[–]gynoplasty 0ポイント1ポイント  (1子コメント)

Kinda like the credit card payments are only Visa/MasterCard etc. So they aren't accepting USD anymore.

[–]neonzzzzz -1ポイント0ポイント  (0子コメント)

Yes. That's why you always say "accepting credit cards" or "accepting Visa", not "accepting money".

[–]brokedown 140ポイント141ポイント  (24子コメント)

If you're dumb enough to pay for porn, you're dumb enough to believe that answer.

[–]UnfilteredGuy 19ポイント20ポイント  (12子コメント)

Bitcoin is actually more expensive but only in the holistic sense - i.e. when you add up both buyers' + sellers' cost. But definitely not 66% more expensive.

Does anyone know who their bitcoin payment processor is?

[–]rydan 26ポイント27ポイント  (8子コメント)

Netteller would be my guess. They were charging 5% for bitcoin which coincidentally is 66% higher than 3%.

[–]elan96 10ポイント11ポイント  (7子コメント)

Neteller doesn't process bitcoin payments. They just allow you to deposit to your Neteller wallet with it.

Also, the card industry often charges porn companies closer to 5%

[–]Sexy_Saffron 17ポイント18ポイント  (6子コメント)

I pay closer to 20%, and that's a good deal compared to most :(

Source: I work in the adult industry.

[–]ultimatepoker 3ポイント4ポイント  (1子コメント)

Do you split first use and second use of cards between different MIDs? Or do you leave that all to your PSP?

[–]Sexy_Saffron 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

I don't handle any of that myself, CCBill takes care of it :)

[–]ToroArrr -2ポイント-1ポイント  (3子コメント)

Still waiting on you to take a bbc in the ass

Edit: i got some bits ready for that :)

[–]Sexy_Saffron 5ポイント6ポイント  (2子コメント)

Sure thing, send me 21 million bitcoins and your wish will come true lol

[–]honey_pie 10ポイント11ポイント  (0子コメント)

I mean, if you had all 21 million they would be literally worthless.. sooo...

[–]spappletrap 2ポイント3ポイント  (2子コメント)

Seems like if you include the cost of learning how to deal with it, and the volatility, you can see why someone would charge extra. It's convenient and anonymous for you, but not a lot of companies want to mess with it.

[–]Explodicle 0ポイント1ポイント  (1子コメント)

BitPay/Coinbase eliminate both of those problems.

[–]python88 3ポイント4ポイント  (0子コメント)

the highest quality porn i've ever had was a paid site; videobox, is there anything like that available for free? I don't like having to worry about dodging viruses while browsing..

[–]dejayskrlx 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

You just try finding 180 degree 3d vr movies that are both free and good.

[–]kn33 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

But bruh. All the best VR porn is paid

[–]glidingclyde 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

Someone has to pay the girls.

[–]PoliticalDissidents 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

Batch videos of some fetishes are hard to find for free.

[–]yesboobsofficial 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

Don't act like you speak for everyone on the internet. People pay for a quality product. Why pay to go to a restaurant to eat when trash is free?

[–]NiggaWeMadeItOhShit 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

Yes, because not paying people for their work is cool. 'Dumb people' are paying for your free shit, so at least show some decency.

[–]justarandomgeek 6ポイント7ポイント  (1子コメント)

Per-transaction, their costs for bitcoin transactions may actually be higher because there are so many fewer of them, and they generate comparatively much more support work (answering these emails). Not 66% higher, but it wouldn't surprise me if it's 20% or so more expensive for them

[–]yesboobsofficial 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

I take Bitcoin on my site and charge a lot less for a Bitcoin sign up vs credit card. There's less work that goes into it for me I think.

[–]BigBlackHungGuy 11ポイント12ポイント  (3子コメント)

Bitcoin doesn't work for a "subscribe and forget" model.

How about charging a yearly fee or use a "buy credits" model?

[–]thefuture420 6ポイント7ポイント  (0子コメント)

Seems like a solid model. Bitcoin allows companies to charge users on a per use basis. They could sell movies for .$05 a piece. I'm sure a ton of people would be interested in that. Hell I might actually pay for a HQ movie every now and then if that was an option

[–]starboard_sighed 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

or what seems like the obvious solution to me: allow them to have a little wallet on the service's site that they can load up when they feel like it, and charge that wallet.

[–]yesboobsofficial 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

Brb going to have a one year subscription for Bitcoin (at a huge discount because I live Bitcoin)

[–]coinx-ltc 5ポイント6ポイント  (6子コメント)

Bitcoin has a problem with recurring payments. Merchants loose a lot of customers if they have to pay consciously every month (other than with automatic cc payments).

[–]Subtlequestion 11ポイント12ポイント  (1子コメント)

You mean merchants don't get to continually charge people for a service they're no longer using? I feel horrible for them...

[–]kynek99 3ポイント4ポイント  (1子コメント)

accept when the service is hacked and all user date including credit cards is publicly accessible.

Bitcoin is a push system, and that's a benefit.

There are multiple services online you can set automatic payments. Once everyone figure out how to use bitcoin, they will be more happy with in then credit cards.

[–]Zarutian 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

accept? you mean except?

[–]neonzzzzz 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

It's not a problem. It's one of the main features. From the customer's perspective. Push transaction vs Pull transaction.

[–]Anenome5 -1ポイント0ポイント  (0子コメント)

Oh no, merchants will have to actually bill people and earn their living, instead of counting on customer laziness in not cancelling a recurring payment, whatever will we do?

Business-models will have to be revised for bitcoin.

[–]i_can_get_you_a_toe 29ポイント30ポイント  (76子コメント)

Ask them why you're gonna get your porn from torrents from now on.

[–]A__Random__Stranger 32ポイント33ポイント  (0子コメント)

That would be a hilarious response to that asinine email

"Your material costs 100% less through torrents.

Thanks,

Your former revenue stream"

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[–]rydan 0ポイント1ポイント  (60子コメント)

I'm going to steal your stuff because you charged me more to use bitcoin?

[–]_supert_ 18ポイント19ポイント  (28子コメント)

Fun fact: Porn is not copyrightable in Germany, as not a 'useful art'.

[–]incorrectlyapplied 7ポイント8ポイント  (6子コメント)

Any official German sources stating this?

[–]Halfhand84 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

Any official German sources stating this?

No, they're all too busy fucking off camera.

[–]aaaaaaaarrrrrgh 0ポイント1ポイント  (3子コメント)

http://www.heise.de/newsticker/meldung/Urteil-Kein-Urheberrechtsschutz-fuer-Pornos-1908794.html mentions it. It's a judgement by a Bavarian state court. As the article also mentions, other courts disagree. I don't think this is going to hold.

Edit: Reading the judgement, it kind of seems that one side said "it's not copyrightable because it just shows primitive fucking", the other side didn't reply to the claim, so the court followed procedure by assuming that what the first side said is true.

[–]Moter8 0ポイント1ポイント  (2子コメント)

Generally, information is under Urheberrecht when there was some creativity or artistic something involved, afaik.

WBS Law videos on this (german) are very informative.

[–]aaaaaaaarrrrrgh 0ポイント1ポイント  (1子コメント)

The required level of creativity or artistic something is very low, though. Unless the porn consists of putting a camera onto a tripod, putting two people in front of it and telling them "now fuck", it's going to be protected. And even then the arrangement of a camera and two fucking people might be enough to qualify...

[–]Moter8 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

Yeah I wanted to say that, thanks for elaborating :)

[–]BlacknOrangeZ -3ポイント-2ポイント  (20子コメント)

You're in the wrong sub if you think it's ok to do something wrong just because an arbitrary law happens to permit it.

[–]XMooseThrowaway 10ポイント11ポイント  (13子コメント)

I'd say online piracy is morally ambiguous at worst.

[–]BlacknOrangeZ -1ポイント0ポイント  (12子コメント)

It's a little bit difficult. If someone creates digital content to market as their product, then I don't think you have any right to use that if you are unwilling or unable to pay the requested fee. You could definitely argue, however, that it gets a bit morally unclear when, due to geoblocking for example, a willing consumer is not permitted to transact with the creator. On one hand, the product is not for sale in the region, the seller hasn't really lost any potential income from that piracy and is probably completely unaware and unaffected. On the other, you've still gained from their creative endeavour and avoided paying them for that with the convenient excuse that you can't; what right do you have to profit from them against their will?

And though I was speaking in vague terms, I was replying to a specific example. If someone produces porn and distributes it freely as art, then fair enough. If someone produces porn as a marketable product, then I'm not sure you have any right to pretend that just because you live in Germany you can ignore their pricing, costs, and intellectual property rights to claim their product for "free" due to some arbitrary state categorisation of their product.

[–]Brizon 7ポイント8ポイント  (4子コメント)

I'd assert that intellectual property has no real basis in reality and therefore people have no real claim to their creation besides in some made up capitalistic construct. I don't see the immorality here.

[–]GrixM 0ポイント1ポイント  (3子コメント)

The problem with this view is that if everyone thought this way, there would be no reason for companies to make anything but physical products because they wouldn't be able to make money of it, and we'd lose a lot of stuff we take for granted. Big scale film industry would be gone for sure for example, at best we'd be left with shitty low-budget hobby films. In my opinion a big clue whether something is moral or not is whether or not society as a whole would be better off if everyone did it. In the case of piracy, I strongly suspect no.

[–]Brizon 0ポイント1ポイント  (2子コメント)

Okay? Does that somehow mean there is an objective basis for intellectual property being real? I don't think so. Certain industries not existing has no bearing on my point.

[–]GrixM 0ポイント1ポイント  (1子コメント)

Define "real". In my opinion the fact that majority of society agreeing on this issue enough to make laws about it, makes it real. Anyway, I don't really care about those kinds of philosophical semantics, as said for me the issue is whether or not it is moral, in other words good for society.

[–]theswapman 0ポイント1ポイント  (6子コメント)

You're the one in the wrong sub, pal. Information and knowledge should be free and open to all.

and why don't you stop being such a humongous smug hypocrite talking about how unjust "arbitrary state laws" are and then citing

intellectual property rights

which are just arbitrary state laws, as a valid reason for copyright nazis to use state violence to coerce consumers

[–]BlacknOrangeZ 1ポイント2ポイント  (5子コメント)

So how is a company that makes games supposed to survive?

How would we get Hollywood blockbusters if producers can't charge a dime for the film they've invested $50m to create?

Where is the incentive for Apple, for example, to create the iPhone if Chinese factories will simply copy the software onto their generic identical replica and openly market it for 1/10th the cost?

What would be the point of R&D in medicine, technology, science, entertainment, etc if there are a dozen competitors looking over your shoulder waiting for the moment you have a breakthrough so that they can benefit from your extremely expensive investment. Do you have any idea how quickly and completely that would destroy innovation in all of those industries?

If people make a porno to sell it, to cover their production costs and hopefully even profit, then they have every right to. It's their work, that's the deal, that's fair. If you want to view it, then pay the fee. If you don't want to view it, don't pay the fee; if you don't want to pay the fee, don't view it. If some 3rd party authority announces that all porn is now free, does that make it ok to benefit from that person's work without paying? What right does that authority have to make such a ruling?

Maybe I am in the wrong sub. I thought there was a significant proportion of libertarian/anarchocapitalist types here.

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    [–]BlacknOrangeZ 1ポイント2ポイント  (3子コメント)

    oh boo fucking hoo. your whole post is just an appeal to emotion

    Ahh the irony!

    so that you can have the state use violence to enforce your imaginary "property rights"

    Hell to the fucking no! I can't imagine myself ever saying anything positive about the state, and I sure as hell would not be advocating the initiation of force.

    Look at how Valve and others are making money. They could give their games away and still make money the way DLC works.

    Two things. First, it is their game that they developed. They can hand it out for free if they like, they can even pay people to play it if they like! They can also charge people to play it.

    And secondly (and this might blow your mind), the "free to play, pay to win" model is profitable. It would not have taken off and it would not continue to be so popular if companies were not even covering their development costs because nobody was paying. Why would they continue to publish games in this model if they were losing money and sending their companies broke? How could they afford to create the sequel if the original sent them into financial ruin?

    Or they can make smart enough protection so that people can't reverse engineer and crack it.

    So, protect their intellectual property...?

    Either way, it's just data that is being transmitted. People can take apart and do whatever they want with it becuase ITS JUST INFORMATION, NOT PHYSICAL PROPERTY!

    You're making the point that it's different to taking physical property from someone, in that it doesn't leave them empty-handed. I agree, that's why I've been trying to avoid the use of the word "theft", though it is very similar (something to do with "lost profits").

    It's not a victimless crime though. And there are a few examples above that I think are reasonable that you still haven't addressed. It affects individuals too, not just big business. Sometimes right here on reddit I'll see people complaining that prominent YouTubers have incorporated their content (without their permission) into their monetised videos. Shouldn't an amateur photographer be contacted before a company downloads photos from their website for use in a marketing campaign? Shouldn't clothing makers ask artists on Tumblr for permission before they use their designs in their products? Maybe they'll want to be paid, maybe they'll want publicity, maybe they'll want nothing at all. That's their right, and that's all to be worked out in the negotiations. If you can't make a deal, you don't just get to use it anyway.

    And I agree with the "take apart" point too, but only so long as they do so for personal use. If they've purchased it then it's their property, and they can do with it as they please.

    you're not a libertarian or anarchocapitalist if you are demanding that the state give you a monopoly in the market, so yes, move along.

    I am, which is why I never said anything like that. Tell me where.

    "what would be the point" and "what is the incentive" are easily answered, just look at how open source development and innovation has surged when patents have been rejected and open collaboration embraced.

    And that's fantastic. They have every right to do that and I think it's a great initiative. It's not always feasible though; it might be for the hobbyist developing some great new software in their spare time, but if Apple made iOS open licence from the beginning then there would be a lot of unemployed people, and a lot less innovation.

    Profit drives innovation.

    [–]Kaell311 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

    I wasn't aware we had established the perfectly moral copyright laws. Tell me, which country if any had it right? And why are the others choosing to be morally wrong?

    [–]Explodicle 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

    Since copyright is a moral right and not arbitrary itself, for how long is one entitled to it? Are only governments justified in doing something about it?

    [–]lechango 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

    You're in the wrong sub if you think it's wrong to do something just because an arbitrary law happens prohibit the sharing of certain bits and bytes.

    [–]esterbrae 0ポイント1ポイント  (2子コメント)

    You're in the wrong sub if you think it's not ok to do something good just because an arbitrary law happens to prevent it.

    [–]BlacknOrangeZ -2ポイント-1ポイント  (1子コメント)

    Agreed. If this was meant as a counter argument, you'll have to explain how.

    [–]esterbrae 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

    Both statements are equally valid; its just a matter of what you consider wrong vs right;

    in the case of copyright laws, I would argue my version is closer to moral.

    [–]A__Random__Stranger -2ポイント-1ポイント  (5子コメント)

    Steal it? Is he going to break into their office and swipe their drives, or do you just not understand the difference between copyright infringement and theft?

    [–]StressOverStrain -2ポイント-1ポイント  (4子コメント)

    Gotta love when pirates get into pedantic arguments over language. Yes, obviously we mean copyright infringement. Yes, we know it's not the same as physical theft.

    But pretending it doesn't lead to some of the same consequences is ignorance and malice on your part. We can't all pirate, obviously. Someone has to pay for shit to get made. Of course you think you're entitled to not pay for stuff. You get into pedantic arguments over defining theft instead of acknowledging that you're cheap and steal content.

    [–]BeardMilk -1ポイント0ポイント  (0子コメント)

    pedantic arguments

    You need to understand that when you enter a bitcoin subreddit you are now ground zero in Asperger's central.

    [–]A__Random__Stranger 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

    Gotta love when pirates get into pedantic arguments over language.

    When did I say I was a pirate? Or were you just talking in my direction about something you wanted to get off your chest because nobody else will listen to you?

    Yes, obviously we mean copyright infringement. Yes, we know it's not the same as physical theft.

    Yet you call it theft anyways. Is that because you're lazy or just stupid?

    But pretending it doesn't lead to some of the same consequences is ignorance and malice on your part.

    Please point out where I "pretended" anything like that. All I did was correct him where he was completely wrong. This is yet another non-existent thing you have read into my words. You really need to work on your reading comprehension.

    We can't all pirate, obviously

    What is this in response to? Where in my reply did I encourage him to pirate anything? More talking to yourself but talking at me? Are you lonely?

    Of course you think you're entitled to not pay for stuff.

    More ASS-umptions, completely unfounded by what I said.

    [–]farlige_farvande 0ポイント1ポイント  (1子コメント)

    People would still pay for shit to get made, even if it was always legal to download any shit without paying.

    Just take a look at Patreon.com. People are voluntarily paying a subscription for shit that either way will be legally available for free. People are willing to pay for good shit to be made.

    [–]StressOverStrain 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

    Yeah, and look at the pitiful amounts they make compared to the ones who have ads on their channel. Only a very, very small amount of people go out of their way to set up a recurring donation. And every time I've seen someone mention their Patreon link, their video also ends with an in-video advertisement for online audiobooks. That Patreon is totally covering their income, mate.

    [–]i_can_get_you_a_toe -5ポイント-4ポイント  (24子コメント)

    Oy vey, a porn company will lose a few cents, it's gonna be the end of the world, let me get my fucking violin.

    [–]ToroArrr -4ポイント-3ポイント  (0子コメント)

    Torrents? What are you old? Its all about the pornhub

    [–]SundoshiNakatoto 8ポイント9ポイント  (3子コメント)

    Like just a dumb support person?

    In any case: Coinbase, bitpay, coinkite, etc PLEASE have your team talk to them.

    [–]Northern-Boy 14ポイント15ポイント  (2子コメント)

    BitPay just fired the person responsible for browbeating porn sites.

    [–]Fruhmann 8ポイント9ポイント  (0子コメント)

    No wonder. They're beating the wrong body part.

    [–]GottlobFrege 10ポイント11ポイント  (2子コメント)

    They might have had to hire an employee specifically to build and manage their bitcoin process. It is possible they aren't lying, guys.

    [–]Helvetian616 11ポイント12ポイント  (0子コメント)

    Yes, someone may have made this calculation, but it's stupid to try to recoup costs in this manner as it diminishes the chance of recouping these costs.

    [–]mustyoshi 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

    Sshhh, don't use that kind of logic around these parts.

    [–]nativeofspace 7ポイント8ポイント  (2子コメント)

    Wait.. people actually pay for porn?

    [–]shludvigsen 20ポイント21ポイント  (0子コメント)

    Wait.. pornstars actually get paid?

    [–]Brizon 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

    One time I ever paid for porn was for VR porn with Bitcoin.

    http://virtualrealporn.com/

    [–]LukinLedbetter 4ポイント5ポイント  (3子コメント)

    Who the hell pays for porn anyway?

    [–]yesboobsofficial 2ポイント3ポイント  (2子コメント)

    Who the hell pays for food from a restaurant anyway? The dumpster is free, guy!

    [–]Lame_Username_Here 0ポイント1ポイント  (1子コメント)

    Good point! But why would anyone pay for porn? There are soooo many free sites online that stream just like Youtube. Why would someone pay for porn? Why would I ever want to give a single cent to a website for porn? I'm honestly asking. Should I feel bad for the whores or the pimps that film them when I drop a nut and walk out on the check?

    [–]yesboobsofficial 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

    Then don't. No one is forcing you. There's lots of reason to pay for it though. Niche content, first day access, quality control, a model you like, faster streaming, downloading, lack of viruses.

    [–]AstarJoe 4ポイント5ポイント  (2子コメント)

    What are they smoking because i want some.

    [–]nativeofspace 5ポイント6ポイント  (0子コメント)

    Well it's basically just weed but it costs 66% extra, leaves you feeling even more confused and with no weed.

    [–]tasmanoide 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

    They don't receive enough blood in their heads.

    [–]A__Random__Stranger 2ポイント3ポイント  (2子コメント)

    Paying for porn is like buying bottled water.

    That said, what a bunch of stupid clowns.

    [–]Moter8 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

    So, necessary in many countries?

    [–]Matuas_D 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

    no more porn from them then...

    [–]fan92 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

    ask to prepay for the year (or 6 mos) w/ btc, at the cred card price.

    [–]BigBlackHungGuy 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

    This may be a guess, but I'm not sure they're doing it right.

    [–]CAPEREADER 1ポイント2ポイント  (1子コメント)

    How do you pay more using Bitcoin than a merchant account? WTF?

    [–]yesboobsofficial 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

    You don't. I actually know lol. Unless they're betting that Bitcoin with decline in value vs the USD over time.

    [–]mkoxbg 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

    There was a service. Bit bucket or something like that. You would still have to chose to send your years worth (any anything you wanted to program it to do) of bitcoin there, then it would auto pay monthly.. Not sure if it adjusted with the exchange rate. You could also withdraw your funds anytime in the middle I think.

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      [–]ElementsOfDeathClan 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

      Lol pure moron-ism these NA folk.

      [–]standardcrypto 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

      bullshit answer, but some very important insights on this thread.

      when affiliates have some advantage with bitcoin, that they don't have with fiat, that's when we will see adoption.

      it's not about the payment rails. that part is easy, but it's also self cannibalizing, as bitpay discovered.

      it's about the marketing infrastructure that supports the payment rails.

      bitcoin is not just fast money, or censor proof money, it's smart money, and not enough people are paying attention to that.

      but, we are starting to see some glimmers.

      moon2019

      [–]CryptoEra 0ポイント1ポイント  (4子コメント)

      LOL, straight up liars. Gotta love that.

      [–]qawsed123456 3ポイント4ポイント  (2子コメント)

      It's actually very plausible that it costs more.

      After all, you have to split the fixed costs and setup costs, not to mention the transaction costs with the small amount of bitcoin users on that site.

      [–]yesboobsofficial 0ポイント1ポイント  (1子コメント)

      I literally put a jpeg of a qr code to my Bitcoin wallet on my site. There's no start up cost lmao

      [–]qawsed123456 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

      You honestly believe that's also how big companies implement a new payment method?

      [–]A__Random__Stranger 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

      What do you expect from a company that specializes in ass-fucking?

      [–]88bigbanks -3ポイント-2ポイント  (0子コメント)

      Time for round a million of actual businesses sharing their actual experience with accepting bitcoin then the bitcoin community claiming that couldn't be true.

      [–]idiotdidntdoit -2ポイント-1ポイント  (0子コメント)

      Are you kidding me?! But hey... Naughty America here i come!