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[–]brent0nius 224ポイント225ポイント  (112子コメント)

I have a friend who was obese and would always post angry body acceptance rants and post (obviously made up) stories about how oppressed she felt and shit and would follow it up with something like "Well I don't care what the world thinks I'm proud of my thunder thighs!" blah blah blah.

Then she lost a bunch of weight and now spends most of her Facebook time telling people they need to stop accepting obese people and tell them they're killing themselves and need to get in shape.

[–]WontMakeTop10ThsWeek 128ポイント129ポイント  (71子コメント)

If she's been on both sides then she would be the one to know.

[–]mybadalternate 200ポイント201ポイント  (8子コメント)

When she was heavier, she was usually on both sides of most things!

[–]Rozkol 41ポイント42ポイント  (0子コメント)

(☞ﾟ∀ﾟ)

[–]The_Green_Frog 3ポイント4ポイント  (0子コメント)

My reaction to this was a slow and drawn out 'Ohhhhhhhhhhh Shittttttt'

[–]The_Chemist88 12ポイント13ポイント  (0子コメント)

slow clap

[–]suicidal_with_HIV 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

DAMN! beat me to it! take an upvote sir!

[–]ncomaman -1ポイント0ポイント  (1子コメント)

You sire have made me giggle at work

[–]Rdubya44 27ポイント28ポイント  (61子コメント)

As someone who was heavy my whole life and have been a normal weight for the last 5 years I have zero sympathy for anyone obese.

[–]Humblebee89 3ポイント4ポイント  (0子コメント)

I don't judge people for being fat. I do judge people that are fat and complain about being fat. That's fully in their power to change.

[–]Merfen 3ポイント4ポイント  (0子コメント)

Same here, I wasn't obese, but fairly overweight growing up. I lost weight in grade 12 and am fairly fit now. I know that the majority of the time people just make up excuses and are lazy rather than switch to a better diet and actually getting exercise.

[–]MyPacman 47ポイント48ポイント  (56子コメント)

That lack of humanity and empathy seems to be quite popular at the moment. Frankly, I don't understand the arrogance of it. I work really hard not to judge other people (and yes I don't always succeed) because there are so many situations where you could find yourself in their situation.

Its not just about fat people, but any situation where you feel 'they' deserve it. They don't, nobody does. Not the poor, not the meek, not the fat, nor anybody else currently eating shit sandwiches.

[–]studmuffffffin 17ポイント18ポイント  (15子コメント)

If you're obese, losing weight is a lot easier than people make it out to be. Stop drinking sugary drinks and stop having snacks between meals. That'll cut out like 1000 calories of a typical obese person's diet. If you're just overweight or on the higher side of healthy, then it gets a little harder.

[–]MyPacman 1ポイント2ポイント  (1子コメント)

I agree it gets harder the less you have left to lose. But you are kidding yourself if you think it is easy. It isn't, especially if you aren't in the right mindset for it. Just like any other addiction, you can try and fail 10 times, then suddenly, something clicks and you can do it. But it still isn't easy.

[–]brent0nius 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

I went from 230 to about 170 since February 2015 (I'm a male, about 5' 9" or so). My big secret? Not stuffing my face and switching to diet sodas. It still strikes me as weird when people I haven't seen for a while congratulate and and ecstatically ask me how I did it. How'd I do it? I put down the fork. Not that hard. No big secret.

[–]Phoby27 1ポイント2ポイント  (4子コメント)

read your post, got angry because i don't drink sugary drinks/potato chips/whatever.

read your second sentence, and had to put ragemode back under control...as I'm just over-weight.

I see all the hate on fat people and I just shake my head...sure some are obese due to bad eating habbit...some don't get enough exercise...sometimes both...but many have a story.

I deal with a 8 year old child with special needs. My day consists of waking up, putting all my energy to bringing her to school (which includes crying/fighting/physical force...talking with principal/teachers/special aids, meeting with counselling), and once i'm exhausted and brought to tears by my child's challenges...i eat breakfast (usually a protein drink mixed with random stuff such as berries or peanut butter, oats, whatever) because its fast, easy, and not horrible for me....rush to work where co-workers are all like "oh...late again huh...must be nice harharhar...". i think to myself that these guys are assholes, and put up my best "you know me man...old slacking pizza eating stupid guy...haha"...'cause i'm a guy and don't have any "emotions".

then i work and skip lunch to try to catch up on work. leave early again (co-workers all "oh..there goes fat stupid guy being stupid again harharhar"), deal with struggles of having special need child, be supportive, tell her its ok...try my best to be good dad/husband as well as being dad for other daughter who just wants normal life and be a kid....usually hungry and emotional as hell by then and eat a few things i probably shouldn't as i know they are bad for me but just give up on life by then. 8:30 comes and put everyone down for sleep....wife and i crash on couch...cry a bit about child's crappy day...watch an hour of tv to wind down...she goes to sleep in bed...kids take my spot in bed (due to many reasons such as nightmares, separation anxiety, or whatever), i crash on couch rinse and repeat next day.

I see people on here every day hating on fat people...many of them often single/no kids, some of them do (and that's awesome), but fuck...sometimes people just have bigger fish to fry. bankruptcies, deaths, whatever...sometimes people have a shitty hand and don't deserve the hate, they're just trying to make through the day.

guess i'm ranting at this point. people have to mind their fucking lives, and I would help a fellow brother/sister out if I saw them struggling instead of judging...ask them if they want to go for a walk, or maybe they just need adult time with another grown up because they haven't had that in years...just someone to talk to.

[–]studmuffffffin 3ポイント4ポイント  (2子コメント)

There's a show called secret eaters. Watch it. You're probably like them.

There's a reason why you're overweight. You eat too much. I don't exercise at all and I'm a perfectly healthy weight. Your child doesn't add calories into your body. You do.

Eating less isn't something you do. It's something you don't do. You can't use things in your life as a reason you're eating more. If anything you should eat less so you have more time to do those things. And if you're feeling hungry just drink some water. It's practically free and fast.

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      [–]CaN-yoU-iMagiNe-ThAt 2ポイント3ポイント  (1子コメント)

      the pot calling the kettle black

      [–]MyPacman 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

      Upvoted. Irritating. But no defensible comeback.

      [–]i_706_i 9ポイント10ポイント  (2子コメント)

      Given that the person that you are replying to is saying that they have been there and know what it is like, I don't think there is any arrogance to it at all. I think it is arrogant of you to judge someone for their opinion if you yourself haven't been in that position.

      I've been in that situation and it does feel like shit, and no the world does not shit on you for it. The vast majority of issues you face with being overweight are your own fault. Either because you cannot do an activity due to your weight or because you feel too ashamed and embarrassed to try. But that shame and embarrassment still comes from you.

      People don't point and laugh at fat people at the Gym, that's just the way you feel because your weight makes you self conscious, and if you can't overcome that then you are going to have to wallow in that self pity for the rest of your life. Only you can make a change, unfortunately there are a lot of people that would rather blame others than take responsibility for themselves. That's why people who have been there have no sympathy. If you can't care about yourself, why should others.

      [–]Enraiha 9ポイント10ポイント  (0子コメント)

      I've been there, I have sympathy. Everyone is different. Everyone has different reasons and motivations. There's not a one-size fits all approach that you're trying to distill this down to.

      When I was a kid, my parents didn't teach me healthy eating habits or encouraged healthy physical activity. As a teen, it was embarrassing trying to ask for help for things like this because it seemed so obvious to everyone else. So I continued ignoring it until my mid-20s. I had been shamed, sighed at, made fun of, none of it helped.

      What finally helped was someone taking the time to show some compassion and show me some healthier eating habits. Show me some different exercises. Now I love hiking, running, curbed a lot of bad eating habits.

      That's me, that's not everyone though. But bashing people down who may already be down on themselves isn't going to inspire them to better themselves. It sets up an Us vs. Them situation and thus, now we have this absurd "Fat Acceptance" movement in the fringes.

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        [–]Rdubya44 9ポイント10ポイント  (18子コメント)

        It's not really "they deserve it" in regards to fat people, but more "they can somewhat easily fix it". It doesn't take much to change your life style little by little and create a change. It's frustrating to see people complain about a problem that can be fixed.

        [–]MyPacman 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

        We all have habits we could easily fix, and it is always fraustrating. I have a friend who complains about work, but never goes job hunting. Not my place to judge. He has to live it, not me. I can encourage him to do it, but I can't make him, and if he doesn't... he is still my friend, I am not going to go all nuclear on him.

        [–]KoboldCommando 19ポイント20ポイント  (7子コメント)

        You know what's even more frustrating? Seeing someone completely and utterly trivialize and underestimate an extremely complex and often incredibly difficult situation for people.

        Jesus Christ.

        [–]mango133 6ポイント7ポイント  (6子コメント)

        Right? Someone who has grown up being fat snce they were a little kid not knowing any better and then suddenly be able to completely change your eating habits youve been used to your whole life? then add traumatic experiences and the inevitable depression that comes from them that only fuels the desire to eat more as a sort of last resort coping mechanism. and you say it's easy?

        Its very easy to say that a person can flick a switch and their mindset is completely different when you havent gone through what they have. people tend to deal with things differently and shaming them for it is not the right thing to do.

        For the record i do not support the "healthy at every weight" deal some people think. If you are overweight you are NOT healthy and you must accept that. If you try and force that notion onto people thats where the problem is because it simply isnt true.

        to end this small rant i just want people to not be so quick to judge other people. Shaming someone for being fat without understanding their past is simply childish and ignorant. but forcing people to agree with you about something you think is okay because youre in denial and insecure isnt any better.

        [–]Flakesy 3ポイント4ポイント  (6子コメント)

        Heh i get your point that everybody can change to be obese (if its not an illness), but "easily fix it"? What the hell? It's one of the hardest things i can imagine, and you have to change your whole lifestyle with it. And little changes do fucking nothing. That's like telling a drug addict to take a little bit less drugs every day. Its NEVER going to work ever. To morbidly obese people food is their drug and their whole body depends on eating all fucking day. You have to change hardcore to do it and never look back, or you have already failed. And it will not be fun, because your body will be fully conditioned to only give you endorphins when you eat. And to change that takes years and years longer than loosing the weight in the first place. Hell, it might never go back to normal.

        Yes most people where careless and dumb to get to that place. But getting back is no easy task for anyone. It's hard. It' getting drugfree or getting sober hard, because it's the same thing.

        [–]will_scc 4ポイント5ポイント  (5子コメント)

        That's like telling a drug addict to take a little bit less drugs every day. Its NEVER going to work ever.

        Actually, that's exactly what happens in many long term rehabs. They slowly reduce your intake to a point where you're no longer totally reliant. And also, it's totally different anyway because food is necessary so it's absolutely about reducing the amount of 'drug' you consume. Heroin, however, is not necessary.

        [–]Flakesy 3ポイント4ポイント  (4子コメント)

        A controlled environment is different of course. But you would need a lot of willpower to do it on your own, which is just not the case for most of us.

        Also the food morbidly obese people consume and the food you would actually need to survive is a whole lot different.

        [–]will_scc 1ポイント2ポイント  (3子コメント)

        A controlled environment is different of course. But you would need a lot of willpower to do it on your own, which is just not the case for most of us.

        Oh absolutely, I'm not denying that it's hard. But what you said seemed to suggest that slowly reducing intake was a ludicrous way to quit/control, when actually it's them most effective.

        Also the food morbidly obese people consume and the food you would actually need to survive is a whole lot different.

        True, but irrelevant. I was explaining why your drug/food analogy was bad. Food is necessary, whilst drugs (heroin, cocaine, etc) are not and in this day and age, almost everyone knows they're bad for your health. So you can't go cold turkey on food, that's called starvation. So the only possible way is to slowly reduce intake.

        And, I didn't address this before, but little changes do work and almost all support groups promote making small but long-term significant changes to your lifestyle.

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          [–]alienshrugged 1ポイント2ポイント  (5子コメント)

          You find it hard not to judge people because it's more or less impossible. We survived and evolved as a species due to our ability to make judgements of all kinds, in every situation, in every moment of our lives.

          [–]MyPacman 0ポイント1ポイント  (1子コメント)

          I agree, we might biologically be animals, but that doesn't mean we need to behave as such.

          [–]alienshrugged 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

          Of course not, that's what separates us. But to say "I try not to judge" or "I don't judge" is absurd.

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            [–]PrivateCharter 1ポイント2ポイント  (2子コメント)

            That lack of humanity and empathy seems to be quite popular

            It's not a question of empathy, it's a question of understanding what is and what isn't your problem. Everyone needs to deal with their own problems in some actionable way BEFORE asking everyone else to take action on those problems. You're fat, OK, eat less. That's hard. OK, not something I can help you with so just freakin do it anyway. Also, got my own stuff going on over here. Why is everything always about you?

            [–]MyPacman 0ポイント1ポイント  (1子コメント)

            Also, got my own stuff going on over here. Why is everything always about you?

            Because when you judge someone, you make it about them. When really, its about you. Your beliefs, your opinions, your attitude. You don't know whats going on in their life, but you think you have the right to condemn them. Sometimes people need help, and can't do it on their own. Judgement doesn't help them.

            [–]PrivateCharter 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

            you think you have the right to condemn them

            Not condemning just not wasting my time on people who won't put in the effort.

            You don't know whats going on in their life

            Not my problem.

            Judgement doesn't help them

            OK, then don't ask for help.

            [–]creamyfrog 1ポイント2ポイント  (6子コメント)

            No, how can you compare fat people to the poor? If you're fat its because you are so rich you can eat like that. Being fat, for the most part, is a choice unless you have a condition that can't be helped. When people say being fat is A.O.K that's when we have a problem. "Fat acceptance" is not a good thing and should not be encouraged. People have to pay for their health care and it has massive consequences to health. When you say to fat people "you are beautiful as you are", not only are you lying but you are making them think its OK to be like that. In the end I don't really care what people do with their own bodies but when they encourage kids not to care if they are obese and want special treatment like larger bus seats for example then you can fuck right off. When you complain to other people about you being fat prepare to be mocked. Fat is not something to accept. Don't shame an individual for being fat, shame the concept.

            [–]Duc_de_Richelieu 1ポイント2ポイント  (1子コメント)

            Your premise is wrong. It's much more expensive to eat healthy (fresh fruit & vegetables & lean meat) than to live off of cheap empty calories that will blow you up in size.

            [–]MyPacman 0ポイント1ポイント  (3子コメント)

            If you're fat its because you are so rich you can eat like that.

            Well, they would be richer than the average third world person. I will give you that. There is a reason the super rich are not the fat people any more.

            Since it is proven that fat shaming doesn't work, why do it? Whats the point, it isn't going to succeed, so why is it so important to you that you shred someones belief in themselves - the one thing that might actually be useful when they do try to lose weight?

            Would you have the same issues with someone wanting airplane seats to be longer because more food means most kids for the last 50 years have been 2cm taller than their parents on average?

            [–]creamyfrog 0ポイント1ポイント  (2子コメント)

            Well, they would be richer than the average third world person. I will give you that. There is a reason the super rich are not the fat people any more.

            Can you give me that reason? They are also richer than a minimum wage household. Yet I don't see many poor fat kids.

            Why are you pulling things out your arse? Fat people will not loose weight by being told how beautiful they are. Please give citations if your going to make those assertions. And I'm not advocating bullying anybody or harassing them but being fat should not be encouraged or accepted. Especially when they go as far to shame healthy looking people (beach body ready ads) and ask for bigger seats.

            You have correlated food with height growth out of thin air. Even if that was due to being fed properly that doesn't mean they are fat that just means they are getting properly fed unlike the Victorian era. And yes I would be happy if people wanted more leg room because height is out of their control. But getting seats bigger because they are fat is disgusting, it means less space on transport instead of fat people taking responsibly for themselves and just exercising each day.

            [–]MyPacman 0ポイント1ポイント  (1子コメント)

            Wrote a big speel, but its all just about changing your mind, which isn't going to happen. It is easy to judge others, not so easy to look at ourselves. So I am going to bugger off and look at my own flaws, instead of yours.

            [–]creamyfrog 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

            Yes of course it is all about changing your mind so is every argument. How is that OK to not address any of my valid points. I'd say its fine to judge others when they are negatively effecting you. Its becomes my business when they start demanding special treatment and censoring. I don't have any flaws, I am the perfect specimen that will guide the human race to a better tomorrow.

            [–]andrewbares 0ポイント1ポイント  (1子コメント)

            Wait, so you were dead for the last 5 years?

            [–]comicsansmasterfont 3ポイント4ポイント  (0子コメント)

            Being a ghost is great for your figure. Doctors hate him!

            [–]GFrohman 28ポイント29ポイント  (7子コメント)

            As a formerly overweight person myself, I didn't realize how delusional I was being until after I'd lost weight. It's easy to be frustrated or downright upset at people who are complacent in their obesity because you see them being as delusional as you were, and you know there is nothing you can do yourself to help.

            [–]MyPacman 9ポイント10ポイント  (6子コメント)

            It is very like smoking, you can 'try' to quit 10 times. And one day, you just do. Sometimes you just have to be ready for the change in mindset.

            Everybody has their delusions, its just that a fat persons ones are very very obvious. You will have new delusions now. And that is fine, peoples delusions generally don't directly affect other people.

            [–]Puzzlewizard 5ポイント6ポイント  (5子コメント)

            You're so right, one day you change your mindset and never look back. It is very 'cold turkey' and constant self monitoring to make sure you don't default back. I'm also formally over weight (on the road to recovery, 15 lbs from a healthy BMI).

            [–]comicsansmasterfont 5ポイント6ポイント  (1子コメント)

            I was so full of fatlogic when I was bigger. I have a slow metabolism, this pill will make me lose weight, I'll eat a lot tonight and then start tomorrow morning... Then one day I read an article or something online and it clicked for me. I don't even remember what I read, but it made sense. Losing weight became incredibly simple.

            I've been maintaining my weight loss for over 2.5 years now, and I completely cringe at the things that I used to believe/say/do just because I was afraid to make a change.

            [–]Puzzlewizard 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

            "Why lose? You're just going to gain it back again" and "as long as you can do your normal daily activities you're fine" and "it runs in the family" were what I heard/told myself. My doctor was the only one who mentioned my weight, everyone else wanted to spare my self-esteem and not say anything directly...which was a blessing and a curse.

            [–]MyPacman 0ポイント1ポイント  (2子コメント)

            That is absolutely awesome, good work dude, it will be a fantastic feeling when you get over the starting line (I won't say finishing line, because getting down to normal weight is just the start)

            I am 5 days in :(

            edit: which is to say, my mindset this time is interestingly different. I don't feel that nagging need I did all those other times. I have no idea why its different, but I will take it and run with it.

            [–]Puzzlewizard 0ポイント1ポイント  (1子コメント)

            I also liked: Instead of thinking 'I can't have that', think 'I CAN have it, but I don't want it.'...there's a mindset change

            [–]MyPacman 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

            Ooooh, I like that, I am taking it :)

            [–]shallweplayagamegg 8ポイント9ポイント  (0子コメント)

            Well, the personality type doesn't change with the weight loss. Just the direction of the rants.

            [–]PedroIsWatching 34ポイント35ポイント  (20子コメント)

            One of the mantras of the old FatPeopleHate was "former fatties make the best shitlords".

            [–]randomfact8472 4ポイント5ポイント  (8子コメント)

            The converts are always the loudest.

            [–]lelandachana 9ポイント10ポイント  (7子コメント)

            F to pay respects

            [–]Galle_ 3ポイント4ポイント  (1子コメント)

            Wasn't another one "once fat, always fat"?

            [–]Merfen 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

            I could see this being kind of true. I was fat and lost a lot of weight. When I eat I still eat a ton for someone my size, even keeping up with my friends 70+ lbs heavier than me. It means if I don't watch it I could easily get fat again.

            [–]MyLoveHammer 4ポイント5ポイント  (0子コメント)

            sokath, his eyes uncovered!

            [–]isaightman 3ポイント4ポイント  (0子コメント)

            There is no greater zealot than the converted.

            [–]chimichimaout 4ポイント5ポイント  (0子コメント)

            Chances are, if she gained a bunch of weight she'd be back on the body acceptance bandwagon

            [–]Bardlar 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

            Good for her. Not all delusional people come around with time.

            [–]DrMonkeyLove 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

            Imagine how annoying she'd be if she tried CrossFit.

            [–]1lIlI1lIIlIl1I -1ポイント0ポイント  (0子コメント)

            This is most people on most any subject. People twist all arguments to favor their situation.

            [–]KingPellinore 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

            So, like an ex-smoker telling you it's bad to smoke?

            [–]kungfukicker 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

            body acceptance?? thats one of the dumbest things ive ever heard if you dont like your body or your genitals kill your self

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              [–]MarineRaven 245ポイント246ポイント  (82子コメント)

              I thought it was going to be this.

              [–]waldron76 73ポイント74ポイント  (38子コメント)

              The theory that "gender is a social construct" has been essentially abandoned in feminist theory, outside some fringe groups. The current view is that, while gender is a real and innate thing, all of the cultural baggage and preconceived notions and stuff that comes with each gender is socially constructed.

              [–]FoetusOnYourBreath 36ポイント37ポイント  (18子コメント)

              Well then why wouldn't it be back to just man and woman, except each one can do/say/think whatever they please

              [–]mfg_colour 12ポイント13ポイント  (14子コメント)

              yes and that's how it is in feminism, tumblr is a hate group

              [–][deleted] 8ポイント9ポイント  (11子コメント)

              That's like how people say that ISIS isn't Islamic.

              [–]mfg_colour 0ポイント1ポイント  (8子コメント)

              a better comparison would be to say ISIS isn't Jewish

              [–][deleted] 0ポイント1ポイント  (7子コメント)

              That would obviously be a much much worse comparison. Tumblr-esque feminism has a lot to do with feminism, and ISIS has a lot to do with Islam. ISIS has much less to do with Judaism. Tumblr-esque feminism is a subset of feminism generally, just as ISIS-esque Islam is a subset of Islam. ISIS is not a subset of Judaism.

              [–]mfg_colour 0ポイント1ポイント  (6子コメント)

              tumblr has nothing to do with feminism, feminism is equality between both genders meanwhile tumblr is looking to just alienate one.

              [–][deleted] 0ポイント1ポイント  (5子コメント)

              What makes your definition of what feminism is more authoritative than anybody else's?

              [–]mfg_colour 0ポイント1ポイント  (4子コメント)

              because it's an ideology of equality, it's man's struggle to be equal to woman and woman's struggle to be equal to man. putting one down doesn't exist in either. If you use it to put women above men then you are conceding that people who put men above women are also feminist and if you bring that definition no one will believe you

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                [–]Grey-eyedFenris -1ポイント0ポイント  (0子コメント)

                Tumble is a vocal hate group that needs to be disavowed Edit: and to my knowledge hasn't been

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                  [–]samneu6 2ポイント3ポイント  (2子コメント)

                  Because some people feel that they were born in the wrong body, like they have the wrong parts down there.

                  [–]NotSoRichieRich 5ポイント6ポイント  (1子コメント)

                  Serious question: how is that different than if someone believed that they are actually a cat and not human? Either way, they think their body doesn't conform to their self-image.

                  [–]Nero89 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

                  It's not, there are actually people that believe they are cats, they're called otherkin. I'm not joking.

                  [–]pseudonym42 6ポイント7ポイント  (5子コメント)

                  Ummmm... what? Gender is real and innate, but we are all still the same? Is that what you meant? Cuz..... what?

                  [–]dropmealready 16ポイント17ポイント  (1子コメント)

                  titty sprinkles

                  [–]CoatCobain 6ポイント7ポイント  (0子コメント)

                  Well yeah, but that goes without saying.

                  [–]Galle_ 14ポイント15ポイント  (2子コメント)

                  Our categories of "male" and "female" do refer to two identifiable groups of similar people - it's not complete bullshit - but the differences are vastly exaggerated by our society. Our concepts of manhood and womanhood are grotesque caricatures of what those things are "naturally".

                  [–]Matador91 1ポイント2ポイント  (1子コメント)

                  Their argument is that gender is separate from ones physical body, that your sexual organs and physical features are in no way related to your identity. Postmodern feminist/gender theory now basis itself off the idea that gender is performed and the body is a performance.

                  [–]Galle_ 8ポイント9ポイント  (0子コメント)

                  No, this is the "gender is a social construct" theory, which has trouble dealing with trans people. Modern feminist theory, outside of TERFs, acknowledges that there really is something biological that's kinda-sorta like gender, it's just not nearly as influential on who you are as a person as we usually think it is.

                  [–]AlexiStrife 3ポイント4ポイント  (0子コメント)

                  "fringe" groups. Yet ALL we hear about is them saying that shit

                  [–]thorell 1ポイント2ポイント  (2子コメント)

                  But gender is a social construct, in the same way language is a social construct. We're programmed to learn it but the specifics are different in different cultures.

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                    [–]losian 100ポイント101ポイント  (40子コメント)

                    This is funny and all but it's intentionally confusing terms and definitions to try to make a "point."

                    Gender roles and the assumptions and all we place on gender are, indeed, social constructs, and the social aspects are, obviously, socially constructed.

                    That is utterly separate from someone being born in a particular way that physically makes them appear as one gender whereas mentally their body feels extremely wrong to the point to severe mental distress, anxiety, etc. If these people underwent months/years of therapy, as well as life-long hormone replacement and then, after all that, weren't dramatically better off, then maybe this silly comic would have some point, but at present it's the best known treatment and appears to resolve some very serious issues some people have.

                    So yeah..

                    This whole 'fat' thing is the same. Everyone who plays the "lol SJW we can't make fun of fat people I'LL SHOW YOU" is just being a dumbass. Every bit as much as the people who are suggesting that obesity is 100% healthy and fine. But, in reality, most people are not saying that. They are saying that you should be able to be overweight and not constantly be shit on for it. You should be seeking to improve your weight and health, definitely, but that doesn't mean your life should be a social shithell because of it. Doubly so because most studies find that precisely that sort of negative attention and reinforcement discourages weight loss.. so way to go! All you people that just can't stand fat folks are helping to keep them fat, applause applause.

                    Seriously, I don't understand how people have such sticks up their ass. Let someone feel comfortable in their body while, at the same time, be working to improve their health. That's all this really is. Stop paying attention to the insane fuckfaces that are louder than the vast majority, because that's all yer really doing. And, besides.. I'm sure you'd be far more humble if your own shortfalls and failures were that immediately evident to every stranger on the street such that they could judge you for it, right?

                    [–]Khaze 11ポイント12ポイント  (1子コメント)

                    I'll add these two things-

                    Gender roles are socially constructed, but there are plenty of societies where there is a "third gender." So that does corroborate the biological origin of gender dysphoria - it's not a made-up modern Western thing like some detractors say.

                    Also, gender roles have many similarities shared by all or almost all cultures. That doesn't mean that's the way things "should" be, but their origin is not arbitrary. We are just animals, after all, although our gender roles are obviously less delineated than e.g. the chimpanzee.

                    Downvotes are fine, but both of those statements are facts. If you think those facts are useless down vote away.

                    [–]Joblesswhore 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

                    The real problem lies in our own minds, as a collective. Humans have the most prolific sense of self through one another, far greater than any other species. Our amazingly social, intricate, empathetic, and oddly self serving minds has brought about the rise of the ability to detract form one another in the idea that we are helping one another. We all think we know better. We all think that we are right. That has been the driving force to our propagation, and continued existence. It has been proliferated more so with the rise of the largest communication network this species has ever seen.

                    [–]faceisamapoftheworld 5ポイント6ポイント  (17子コメント)

                    I don't really care how someone wants to treat their life. But when you're on an airplane or a stadium event, you better fit in your seat and not think you're going to spill over into mine.

                    [–]Greenei 4ポイント5ポイント  (7子コメント)

                    Then why do some transgender people also conform to the "gender norms" of their real gender, even though they were raised in the roles of their assigned gender? Wouldn't we expect that to have 0 impact on the gender dysphoria, if social roles were 100% constructed and 0% real?

                    [–]elakastekatt 29ポイント30ポイント  (3子コメント)

                    Because they don't grow up in a vacuum. They see gender roles everywhere. Their parents, siblings, other relatives, friends, teachers, popular culture... It's not difficult for a child to learn how one gender is "supposed" to behave and act accordingly if they feel they belong to that gender.

                    Edit: Also, "social construct" does not mean "not real".

                    [–]Greenei 7ポイント8ポイント  (2子コメント)

                    It seems weird to me to argue that the influence of society on your perception on gender roles is supposed to be stronger than the influence of society on how you, as a man/woman, should behave individually.

                    [–]peppaz 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

                    Seems like it's some sort of choice to choose a gender role...

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                      [–]Bess95 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

                      Also if they conform to gender norms it can mean they are more likely to pass as that gender

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                          [–]Devoff 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

                          The answer to both is the left one

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                            [–]2abyssinians 48ポイント49ポイント  (14子コメント)

                            Am I the only one who only uses Tumblr to look at porn?

                            [–]MokitTheOmniscient 18ポイント19ポイント  (10子コメント)

                            Most people here probably doesn't realize the quality of their porn.

                            I guess it's their own loss.

                            [–]Otolia 9ポイント10ポイント  (0子コメント)

                            tumblr is 90% porn blogs. It's really astonishing.

                            [–]Ask_if_Im_Socialist 1ポイント2ポイント  (1子コメント)

                            Especially all the 60fps homemade shit. Far better then most paid sites in my opinion.

                            [–]capt_0bvious 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

                            I will have to check it out.

                            [–]Jaytron 0ポイント1ポイント  (5子コメント)

                            Please elaborate

                            [–]MokitTheOmniscient 5ポイント6ポイント  (4子コメント)

                            Even the most obscure fetish generally has several blogs posting relevant content about it.

                            I guess that it's more about variety than anything.

                            [–]Anfernii 1ポイント2ポイント  (2子コメント)

                            Do you have any links?... For science

                            [–]snickityLips 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

                            I usually just type the porn description followed by tumblr in google. Tumblr makes for awesome porn. It's just people sharing porn they love and not trying to a squeeze money out of you with clicks or adware.

                            I also recommend bing for porn images, and their video search is decent as well.

                            [–]MokitTheOmniscient 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

                            That would depend on the obscure fetish you are looking for, but generally you can just search for what you are looking for (remember to turn of safe search though).

                            [–]StarDestinyGuy 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

                            I learned this recently.

                            I've been able to find extensive content for even my most strange and fucked up fetishes.

                            It's a magical place.

                            [–]BabyGotBackRolls 8ポイント9ポイント  (0子コメント)

                            I use it for porn and fitness blogs, best motivation I had was perusing blogs about exercise and healthy eating, I lost 50 pounds and looked great. Worked much better for me than the fitness communities here on reddit. Aaaaand now there's a big fat baby in place of the weight I lost. Oh well, at least I still have the mental tools to get my nice bod back after I pop this thing out.

                            But their porn is so good.

                            [–]ABentSp00n 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

                            I would if I understood how to find good porn on Tumblr. Send help.

                            [–]bluemanscafe 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

                            All the SFM...

                            [–]Uhm_yup 68ポイント69ポイント  (1子コメント)

                            I'm sure these comments will be civil.

                            [–]dropmealready 16ポイント17ポイント  (0子コメント)

                            Fat Rape Pay-Gap Homemaker

                            [–]Mr_Sargasmic 44ポイント45ポイント  (2子コメント)

                            Wow, zero comments have positive karma. (at the time of this posting)

                            [–]tehweave 12ポイント13ポイント  (1子コメント)

                            For tumblr? That ain't no dilema. We know exactly which one they go for.

                            [–]mariocart 37ポイント38ポイント  (12子コメント)

                            but blaming your body issues on the media is soo much easier :(

                            [–]ShelSilverstain 2ポイント3ポイント  (4子コメント)

                            "The media" that tells women that they should look fit is what those women want to see. They could buy magazines full of fat dumpy women, but they don't.

                            [–]Fiedler1219 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

                            Velma from Scooby Doo really let herself go

                            [–]waldron76 22ポイント23ポイント  (96子コメント)

                            You can think that fat people losing weight is a good thing, and that the media foists unrealistic expectations upon people. Those things aren't mutually exclusive. But of course, reddit has never displayed much of a capability for understanding nuance.

                            [–]Satancake 19ポイント20ポイント  (78子コメント)

                            Well there's an unrealistic body standard (such as models that are so thin because it's there job to be) and then there's also just being too fat. Yeah, most people aren't going to be sculpted like a god, but they can be fit and healthy. Unless you're built like the rock, you aren't going to be healthy at around 250 lbs.

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                              [–]willfaptodownvotes 6ポイント7ポイント  (0子コメント)

                              Found the neckbeard. Dank mayme, my friend.

                              [–]waldron76 -1ポイント0ポイント  (12子コメント)

                              If you like finding things, I'd recommend getting a Where's Wally book, or going on a treasure hunt of some sort. Is Geocaching still popular? You could go Geocaching.

                              [–]TheFattyFinder -3ポイント-2ポイント  (11子コメント)

                              1) its Where's Waldo, but the do probably sounded like dough to you and would trigger you. 2) They're too easy 3) Other methods don't bring results

                              [–]waldron76 6ポイント7ポイント  (10子コメント)

                              It's Where's Wally in the UK. Weird, the branding differences between our countries - TJ Maxx is called TK Maxx over here, for example.

                              Doing a Where's Wally book brings results. You find Wally. That's a result.

                              [–]Pianoangel420 5ポイント6ポイント  (6子コメント)

                              It's known as "Where's Wally" in every country, except America! Fun fact. Also, that guy's a huge asshole.

                              [–]waldron76 2ポイント3ポイント  (5子コメント)

                              Cheers. I'm trying to be friendly to them, because I doubt someone so needlessly abrasive experience the warmth of human kindness very often.

                              [–]Pianoangel420 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

                              I love the way you handled it, and I try to be the same way. Some people feel safe behind a computer screen, like other people don't have feelings. Some people will behave that way even to your face, and you have the choice whether or not to sink down to their level.

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                                [–]borderal 1ポイント2ポイント  (2子コメント)

                                why the fuck are you even talking about that? you are just self conscious because he knows that you are fat

                                [–]Cyralea 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                Not being fat isn't an unrealistic expectation. It's probably one of the easiest expectations in that it literally requires you to do less of one thing, i.e. eating.

                                The fat acceptance lobby has done a good job of convincing people that it's so hard to be unrealistic.

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                                  [–]IceFire2050 11ポイント12ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                  I dont think tumblr has any dilemmas with this one. They've clearly picked their book a long time ago.

                                  [–]Jesuslocasti 20ポイント21ポイント  (1子コメント)

                                  Smh. True. Cant believe some people will blame their fatness on society but not on their eating habits.

                                  [–]Mistah_Blue 7ポイント8ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                  "Yes sweetie, you consume 40,000 calories a day and do no exercising whatsoever, but you're fat because of society."

                                  [–]-TBD- 13ポイント14ポイント  (1子コメント)

                                  One will actually change people's opinions. The other will change whether they mention it in polite society.

                                  [–]retrotoast 7ポイント8ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                  The blue one should read "How the patriarchy is responsible for your body issues"

                                  [–]LycheePrincess19 3ポイント4ポイント  (1子コメント)

                                  I don't think many people realise that all of these overweight/obese people have binge eating disorder. Yes, it is a real eating disorder. Technically losing weight is a simple calculation: Calories Out Beats Calories In. However, it's a psychological issue, they have created a habit of boredom eating, emotional eating and uncontrollable binging (which can also be a rebound effect of dieting due to high weight = vicious circle).

                                  You will not understand until you have experienced it yourself, it is the same as drug/alcohol addiction. The brain starts identifying food as a reward and pleasure stimulator, producing dopamine (happy chemicals) whenever you eat. Giving a sense of 'happiness' hence, the addiction begins. This could happen at a young age or anytime in your life.

                                  Being a nurse I see these obese individuals everyday and also being a binge eater myself I have experience of weight issues. I have been overweight - underweight - obese- normal weight, in that order. At one point during being overweight/obese I decided to "love my body" and "fuck what people think of me" but in the end I was just kidding myself. No one is happy waddling around with lumps of excess fat whilst slowly killing themselves. No one.

                                  Anyways, the point is that to help these people we don't just fat shame them until they decide to eat a salad. In reality, They would probably feel so bad about themselves that they would binge eat to compensate. We need proper eating disorder education and counsellors/therapists. Adolescents and adults need to watch real life documentaries of people suffering painfully everyday due to being 600 pounds so they are shocked and finally have the motivation and drive to become healthy.

                                  [–]2seconddump 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                  This is absolutely true.

                                  I used to substitute food for boredom, sadness, anxiety... anytime there wasn't a person or activity and I felt bad. Thankfully I have broken away from that for the most part, but when I was younger I had a very unhealthy relationship with food, mixed with non-stop meds and undiagnosed thyroid disease? It's gonna take a while to undo all the damage.

                                  Thank you for being a voice of reason.

                                  [–]blackgreygreen 3ポイント4ポイント  (1子コメント)

                                  /r/justlegbeardthings

                                  [–]ERAU 4ポイント5ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                  Velma you really let yourself go

                                  [–]Joshgoozen 3ポイント4ポイント  (3子コメント)

                                  This is a dilemma for Tumbler?

                                  [–]5Rupees 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                  My coffee doesn't seem to care.

                                  [–]Satancake 1ポイント2ポイント  (1子コメント)

                                  The fat acceptance movement is usually known to use tumblr as one of their means of spreading their message, to the point where tumblr is now known for it. That's what the joke here is.

                                  [–]Nero89 3ポイント4ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                  Joshgoozen's joke was that it's not a dilemma at all, they've clearly picked one side.

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                                    [–]TurdCrapley 2ポイント3ポイント  (3子コメント)

                                    Damn velma from scooby doo got fat.

                                    [–]ACookie 3ポイント4ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                    The only waste of my life I regret more than visiting tumbler was reading the comment section of 9gag.

                                    [–]arzuros 1ポイント2ポイント  (4子コメント)

                                    I used to dabble in tumblr a lot. What got me was once someone said its better to eat what you want (even if its unhealthy) and be happy than losing weight. I still stick around for the sweet art though.

                                    [–]comicsansmasterfont 5ポイント6ポイント  (3子コメント)

                                    Well, it's kind of true. For example, I have a massive sweet-tooth. To the point where if I had to give sweets up, I'd be pretty damn butthurt about it. Diets like keto or paleo were pretty big disasters for me. So I started a diet where I could have all the sweets I want in moderation. A cupcake here or there, a few pieces of candy when I can budget it into my calorie allowance. Now I'm happy and skinny! Yay!

                                    [–]RevolutionMe 2ポイント3ポイント  (1子コメント)

                                    Yeah, but you applied willpower and eat those things in moderation.

                                    What they mean is that if it makes you feel good to eat an entire large pizza for dinner, then you should eat the large pizza, because being happy is more important than being healthy.

                                    Aristotle is rolling in his grave.

                                    [–]arzuros 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                    Ya this is more of the sense i got from that post. While it is a free country, they post things of their opinion without really giving much thought of how it might harm people. I mean theirs kids in those sites. THINK OF THE CHILDREN.

                                    [–]arzuros 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                    Im always down for moderation, but thats not what i got from that post. It was more like dont eat what you want and be miserable, or eat what you want and be happy. When its usually more in the sense of: when you work out and start a diet its sucks but in the end of the day that feeling of accomplishment it gonna keep you going, while yes eating a box of truffles is going to feel good for a second (that dopamine tho) but your gonna feel like shit the rest of the day in more ways than one.

                                    Sorry for the text wall

                                    [–]Trequetrum 0ポイント1ポイント  (3子コメント)

                                    I get that fat people should lose weight. I don't get why people think name-calling will help accomplish that.

                                    Someone, somewhere, had the brain child, "People who hate themselves are more motivated!" That person was clearly a moron.

                                    [–]undulatinguvula 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                    It doesn't work for everyone. But it works for some. I am a stubborn, contrarian bastard. I need people hating me and calling me names and telling me I can't do something. It brings out my "Fuck you, I'll show you" side. I am down 70 pounds as of this morning. Is it a healthy mindset? Maybe not. Is it effective for me? You bet your ass.

                                    [–]FlyingApple31 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                    Yes, yes! Depressed people with very little self esteem have so much overflowing dopamine and endorphins to devote to life-altering, all-consuming projects with very little immediate gratification!

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                                      [–]LittleInfidel -1ポイント0ポイント  (2子コメント)

                                      Tumblr and Reddit are two sides of the same goddamn coin.

                                      [–]ReVaas 2ポイント3ポイント  (1子コメント)

                                      who uses a book shelf like that?

                                      [–]Officer_Milky -1ポイント0ポイント  (8子コメント)

                                      I eat like shit, barely exercise because of my job, and I'm sick pretty often (trying to work on fixing that) but I'm also incredibly skinny, and get told this often. This is anecdotal, of course, but one of the reasons why I don't buy the notion that all fat people need is diet and exercise to be thin.

                                      Even I can understand that media does push harmful, limiting stereotypes of what people are supposed to look like from a young age, and that is bound to influence people.

                                      [–]Ghostman_Loon 0ポイント1ポイント  (3子コメント)

                                      So you don't believe in physics?

                                      [–]Officer_Milky 0ポイント1ポイント  (2子コメント)

                                      what an odd leap.

                                      No, it is possible to overeat, and eat unhealthily, and have that be the cause of obesity, but this is not always the case. And I'm especially not willing to trust reddit on faith in regards to health advice.

                                      [–]Ghostman_Loon 0ポイント1ポイント  (1子コメント)

                                      it's not an odd leap. It's the first law of thermodynamics. The body is a machine that requires a certain amount of energy to run. If you intake too much energy, the body stores the excess as fat. Inversely, if you reduce the energy intake it will use the stored reserves.

                                      [–]Officer_Milky 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                      Yes, but not every human being is exactly the same, so the rates at which this occurs is going to vary.

                                      And I personally don't think that there's any problems with being fat; as long as the person is comfortable with themselves, in terms of body image, and generally feeling healthy. Being fat, itself, is not a problem that needs to be fixed.

                                      So I don't think we need to encourage fat people to starve themselves and be uncomfortable to fix something about themselves that isn't even a problem. Especially if the method is to shame and humiliate them.

                                      [–]iYokay 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                      Skinny =/= in shape

                                      [–]rtf111 0ポイント1ポイント  (1子コメント)

                                      So you're saying because you're skinny it's okay to be extremely unhealthy. That's a horrible message.

                                      [–]Officer_Milky 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                      im saying that fat people are capable of being healthy, and it's not always as "choice" to be fat based on diet.

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