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[–]Paitryn 84ポイント85ポイント  (10子コメント)

Honestly, I would normally say your head was covered in tinfoil, but after the UN deal, its not that far off. (thank god the UN is a joke of a governing body)

[–]Ponsari 32ポイント33ポイント  (3子コメント)

You'd be surprised how seriously most European countries take them. Plus, if there's a country with a government that wouldn't try to cheat their way into grabbing more power over the people, name it. I'll move there this instant.

[–]Xoahr 10ポイント11ポイント  (1子コメント)

I can see pretty easily how a nation such as Sweden which has all the goodwill in the world, would create some kind of law dictating that using gendered slurs online will result in losing internet privileges for a few days on the first offence, to well, forever, on continual offences.

Then other nations which don't have all the goodwill in the world - particularly, perhaps Russia, Turkey, Egypt, Pakistan (I'm leaving out states like Iran and North Korea because I imagine they don't need such an excuse), will enact similar laws, but make them more vague (ie, "vindictive speech online"), prosecute a couple of people who were obviously defamatory or inciting hate speech to give it legitimacy, then start prosecuting people who are solely anti-state/critical of those in power.

Thank god that nobody cares about the UN anymore. They couldn't agree on the best course of action on how to get out of a wet paper bag.

[–]slalf 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

most of eastern europe and ex soviet countries as well.

[–]ggdsf 3ポイント4ポイント  (0子コメント)

Denmark has the least corrupt government according to statistics

[–]EmpReb 39ポイント40ポイント  (1子コメント)

/pol/ is always right. They called some shit like this would happen just a little faster and different governmental body than guessed.

[–]destinypallooker 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

I'm more concerned about Google's cozy relationship with the US state department. The issue is not that I like everything that's said online, it's that I don't trust any state bureaucracy to become the "thought masters" that have to regulate it and decide what is acceptable and what is not. Liberals assume that their ideology will be what governs acceptability, but that may not always be the case. Once that power is given to the state it becomes its own animal. We haven't hit that point yet but this is clearly a goal.

[–]chunkatuff 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

Well, it's been clear enough since the start that it went all the way to the top. As for what they want, I'm still not 100% sure, but I'm thinking that it's more power, as usual. This plan of theirs has been in the works for a while now, so it's no wonder why they're fighting back so hard. They can't afford to lose this battle, or it will will have a domino effect, and we will suddenly begin winning so many other battles, since this will inspire others to do the same. Their power will be cut severely, and they will have to work for quite a while to gain that power back.

[–]slalf 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

You know UN has a ruling that allows countries like greece to wipe their debt off, but ofcourse thats not how things work in the real world. They got such a utopian way of seeing things. Like say how 15 years ago they had a plan to change the world and now they making a new one for the next 15 years because they failed misserably.

[–]Abelian75 32ポイント33ポイント  (1子コメント)

Everyone will say this is ridiculous, but pretty much yes.

The most likely way for you/me to be wrong is for the threat to not be as powerful as we imagine it to be. I can deal with being wrong in that sense. Fighting a battle that didn't actually need to be fought, because the opponent has no chance of success anyway, is a mistake I can live with.

But yeah, at this point it's really hard for me to figure out a reasonable way I could be wrong that the things they want are bad things for the world and humanity. The world they want has no ability to self-correct. It would eventually become horrific, barring miraculous luck.

[–]firestorm117 4ポイント5ポイント  (0子コメント)

Basically, it wasn't until this Un thing that their desires became clear and their power and influence clear that we were fighting on wiki leaks and Edward Snowden battle. This shit went seriously metal gear solid 2 level of crazy.

[–]snoopyzanus 44ポイント45ポイント  (3子コメント)

Now U.N. Women are trying to do to the "cyber world" what they have been doing in real life.

U.N. Women are behind "HeForShe"--a "gender equality"movement where men and boys commit to focusing their efforts solely on helping women and girls.

The United Nations World Food Program decided to distribute “women only” food coupons after disasters under the rationale that the women would somehow go on to make sure everyone was fed.

This is how far they will take their extremist feminist ideology.

It doesn't matter what the truth is. It doesn't matter how their actions really affect others, or a given society as a whole. All that matters is their ideological narrative triumphing.

[–]ExplosionSanta 24ポイント25ポイント  (0子コメント)

under the rationale that the women would somehow go on to make sure everyone was fed.

Hahahaha, as a rule of thumb, the only woman who is ever going to give a shit about your wellbeing is your mother and, if you're really lucky, your wife.

Gentle sex, my ass.

[–]ProfNekko 6ポイント7ポイント  (1子コメント)

well there is actually scientific consensus that from a population growth standpoint the female is more important then the male. One male can get multiple females pregnant but once a female is pregnant she's out of the cycle for almost a year. This is kind of why we got the whole "women and children first" mentality.

However the whole "women only food coupons" crap is just sadistic and stupid. Who the hell thought that was a good idea

[–]RavenscroftRaven 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

But that is base-level instinctual biology. Like how a duck will rape a hen. Humans should be above such base things. In the interest of equality from 6000 years of "women and children first", I say we need 6000 years of "men and elderly first". /s

[–]C4Cypher 54ポイント55ポイント  (3子コメント)

This is pretty much it. Yeah, Ghazi will laugh and sneer at the thought that 'this is what Gators really believe' ... fuck em, look at the UN stuff and ask yourself 'What do these people want?'.

[–]TriangleDimes 6ポイント7ポイント  (1子コメント)

People will scoff at how the UN is largely useless in this sort of thing, but the point is what it represents. These bumbling, quivering dolts managed to get to what they believe is the highest authority in the world. If they were actually smart they could do better but the problem is they wanted a big authority and they got it. I said this before but it bears repeating: Anita Sarkeesian sat before the most influential nations in the world and pleaded to them how people calling her a liar on the internet is tantamount to violence.

[–]Reginleifer 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

>highest authority

Maybe to Eurofags.

[–]gekkozorz 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

UN, Congress, Google, the mainstream media. These people have some serious fucking connections.

No matter what happens, though, we'll be there to shitpost facts and anime gifs.

[–]UberAndrewMore traps than Ghazi 27ポイント28ポイント  (15子コメント)

This whole thing really has evolved was pasted just being about games.

More and more it's becoming evident that movements like Gamergate are necessary. If no one fought for the rights these people are trying to take away we probably would have lost them long ago.

I'm gonna make this prediction, so mark my words.

This is only the beginning. Between the authoritarian right and authoritarian left and whatever group has an agenda to push we're going to start seeing more and more attacks on our rights.

Privacy and free speech are going to be constantly attacked and they'll use whatever excuse they can to try and legitimize their cause. Harassment, terrorism, sexism, bigotry, criticism, you name it and they'll use it to try and take away your rights.

Gamergate will just have been the precursor, eventually I think there'll be more movements based around fighting for freedom of speech ethics. If this only spirals out of control from here I could see a full blown revolution down the road.

[–]rek0j 7ポイント8ポイント  (1子コメント)

If this only spirals out of control from here I could see a full blown revolution down the road.

Everybody has a "line in the sand."

Ten years ago mine was "if they ever come for my vidya."

These days I rarely even play video games any more.

Most will be like myself and continue moving the line backward as tyranny encroaches.

[–]RobbieGee 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

Granted the line will be moved, but at some point you have people that recoil like an elastic band that's been pulled just a bit too far. I'm one of those, I just joined the dev team behind LeagueForGamers.com, it's where I can do the most "damage".

[–]ProfNekko 6ポイント7ポイント  (0子コメント)

I think the biggest reason we can fight back is because of the right/left dichotomy... I shudder to think what would happen if the Authoritarian Right and the Authoritarian Left chose to stop bickering and work together to seize control.

Thankfully since the Authoritarian mentality is so rooted in control, that won't happen cause it would require working with people with different opinions... And that would make their tiny little heads go "fffffftttt ssssss ping ping pow groan pop fizzle fizzle"

[–]LucyLancaster 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

This whole thing really has evolved was pasted just being about games.

It was never about games.

The culture war has been going on for years, look at the Atheism Plus debacle, look at the Sad Puppies, look at how SJW's have been trying to force their way into open source movement.

Look at Wikipedia, you notice that it is biased because of the Gamer Gate article but it was way back in 2013 that Feminist professors started offering students college credit to rewrite articles with a feminist viewpoint.

http://www.campusreform.org/?ID=5028female-editors_n_3817138.html

Gamer Gate is different in only one way, it was the first large group to fight back aggressively. Atheists fought off SJW's but they never followed up on their attacks.

[–]neogag -1ポイント0ポイント  (10子コメント)

I wish there was a practical way to support GamerGate. I feel helpless.

At the same time, I don't believe in organized activism.

[–]frankenmine/r/WerthamInAction - #ComicGate[S] 5ポイント6ポイント  (9子コメント)

I don't believe in organized activism.

How can you not? You see evidence of it all around you.

How do you think cultural Marxists got to where they are today? By sheer dumb luck?

[–]neogag -2ポイント-1ポイント  (8子コメント)

I don't mean I don't believe it's happening. I mean I don't think it's right.

And it's a dilemma: how do we fight something organized, without ourselves becoming a group of lobbyists which will inevitably become corrupt after achieving victory, if not before?

[–]frankenmine/r/WerthamInAction - #ComicGate[S] 2ポイント3ポイント  (7子コメント)

“When bad men combine, the good must associate; else they will fall one by one, an unpitied sacrifice in a contemptible struggle.”

― Edmund Burke

It's right. You're wrong.

[–]neogag -1ポイント0ポイント  (6子コメント)

Fine, let's say being "organized" temporarily is fine. I just don't want to create something we can't control later. Surely you can agree that's a reasonable concern.

[–]frankenmine/r/WerthamInAction - #ComicGate[S] 0ポイント1ポイント  (5子コメント)

You can't control anybody except yourself.

Act legally and ethically, and encourage others to do the same. That's all you can do, and that's what you should do at all times.

Failing to do so at times of need (like this one) is itself unethical.

[–]neogag -2ポイント-1ポイント  (4子コメント)

You're being too pedantic.

All I said was:

  • I want to help

  • But I'm cautious about hypothetical attempts to form an "organization" for this cause

There's nothing more to it than that.

[–]frankenmine/r/WerthamInAction - #ComicGate[S] 0ポイント1ポイント  (3子コメント)

We've been organizing in ad-hoc, non-institutionalized ways for a year. It works just fine.

The internet makes it possible.

[–]neogag -2ポイント-1ポイント  (2子コメント)

I don't want to be rude but that's pedantry. You're dwelling on the word "organized." I already explained what I meant by that. In your previous post, you dwelled on the world "control."

I am on KiA, I know about the Internet.

[–]Ironwolf113 4ポイント5ポイント  (7子コメント)

We are Diamond Do....I mean Gamer Gators.

[–]skitzokid1189Cause of six-gorillian complaints 6ポイント7ポイント  (3子コメント)

Does this mean we get eyepatches and puppies?

I want to play with his paw pads

[–]FSMhelpusall 2ポイント3ポイント  (1子コメント)

Well... I have both in my house... Don't really have use for the eyepatch though.

[–]skitzokid1189Cause of six-gorillian complaints 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

What DONT you have uses for an eyepatch for! Gees why do we even bother trying to argue with SJWs if we cant even use eyepatches in the most efficient manner!

[–]Ironwolf113 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

Only if Sargon will be our Big Boss.....Big Boss of Akkad!

[–]brody3060 0ポイント1ポイント  (2子コメント)

[–]Ironwolf113 0ポイント1ポイント  (1子コメント)

Not enough Purple and Green. That or it's a little to dark from the screen shot.

[–]brody3060 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

I dont have a capture card so I couldn't get a good quality image, but all of it is purple and green.

The 'gators head' is also purple and green but I had to use one of the camo greens because it made the legs way too obvious.

[–]Gnokey 4ポイント5ポイント  (0子コメント)

I just wanted to play vidya.

[–]Aurondarklord 16ポイント17ポイント  (2子コメント)

Frankly, I think this is enormous unnecessary panic, a lot of this "UN commission report" type stuff is, in the end, just posturing to make themselves look good, politicians do that A LOT. I am MUCH more worried about things like TPP than I am by this.

Yes, the fight for the free and open internet is ongoing and likely always will be, yes, governmental and corporate interests would very much like to be able to censor and control it. But I don't think we face some grave new threat today that didn't exist in yesterday's world.

[–]Mashiki 9ポイント10ポイント  (0子コメント)

I would have said the same 15 years ago. Sadly just by what governments have said, you'll see similar sentiments echoed by them. Especially if some body or another has put a show on for people. Especially governments that already have a strong authoritarian streak to them.

[–]JayXan95 5ポイント6ポイント  (0子コメント)

While TPP is a huge deal, what the UN report did was provide cover for every totalitarian out there, including corpratists in our own country, to trample speech.

Do you think we would get videos of farm abuse if the government controlled which videos are posted?

[–]Reginleifer 3ポイント4ポイント  (1子コメント)

To defeat shadowy alliances, we must create our own. Gamergate Lodges when?

[–]rottingchrist 3ポイント4ポイント  (0子コメント)

For all the clowns going on about "lol the UN is useless, who cares": The SPLC did the same thing to the MRM, wrote some fluff about it being a hate group but didn't "officially" label it as one. Feminists use that to try and discredit the movement to anyone who wouldn't bother to look up what the SPLC's official stance is. And people on the political left don't disagree much with the SPLC's classification.

Expect feminists to trot out "The UN is anti-GG" to anyone who isn't familiar with GG.

[–]Morrigi_ 5ポイント6ポイント  (3子コメント)

Does this mean we can stop caring about PR? It's clear that most of the global elite is against us at this point, and it is even more clear that they will make shit up to make us look bad if they can't find anything based in reality.

[–]Reginleifer 7ポイント8ポイント  (2子コメント)

Nah, as much as I support going total war and don't consider doing sketchy stuff to prevent a greater evil to be evil in itself..... PR is everything.

The only reason SJW's have the UN's collective ear, and the ears of unis, and national government is because the press/cultural elite lauds them as some good idea. When the press turns on them, as they do when they try injecting some shit in uni policies, they back down.

The press and more importantly our public image IS EVERYTHING. The problem is that some in KiA think this means pander to the SJW's and enter arguments on their terms. No it means we must control the narrative by controlling the journalists, sometimes that means no sweet sweet revenge , othertimes it means playing hardball AGAINST journalists.

You'd be surprised how easy or hard it gets to get changes you want depending on how the issue is framed. The left defends the murder of humans, under the guise of "pro-choice", you're not against CHOICE are you?

Same shit with the Republicans defending large inheritances under the shield of the "death tax". Taxing the dead? Ridiculous!

PR, framing issues, matters. Matters a lot.

[–]Morrigi_ 1ポイント2ポイント  (1子コメント)

If the press hasn't turned on them by now, it's not going to. All PR is doing is hamstringing us.

[–]Gazareth[🍰] 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

We always had terrible PR. "It's actually about ethics in games journalism" got us laughed at because it sounds too pretentious and self-righteous. That was really bad PR. If we had something better we might be in a better position than where we are now.

[–]Aconcernedsarmatian 5ポイント6ポイント  (6子コメント)

UN deal? What exactly was signed? Anyhoo, Japan is still around and I expect VPN use to skyrocket as all popular sites either die out or shift to less UN controlled nations. Basically, the UN will just make the internet less centered around the US and Europe; and the other countries will take advantage of it. Voat is evidence enough that there is a market for free speech sites. And just like electronics manufacturing moved to China and Thailand, this will probably move to India or Brazil or South Africa or some other UN uncaring countries.

[–]FSMhelpusall 6ポイント7ポイント  (2子コメント)

Unless they force ISPs to restrict access to these sites.

[–]Aconcernedsarmatian 1ポイント2ポイント  (1子コメント)

Yes; but a VPN can get around that right? And as long as basedjapan lives as plan C, humanity has hope.

[–]snakeInTheClock 3ポイント4ポイント  (0子コメント)

Reminder that when ISPs are forced to restrict access to sites, then access to VPN, proxy and etc. can be restricted on arbitrary bullshit reasons.

It way more pain in the ass for "regulators" to do that, but that's not impossible to make it pain in the ass for the consumer.

[–]frankenmine/r/WerthamInAction - #ComicGate[S] 2ポイント3ポイント  (2子コメント)

Asia does not have enough bandwidth to supply each and every one of an additional billion users (US, Canada, Europe) with broadband speeds. It's a physical impossibility.

[–]Aconcernedsarmatian 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

Hmm you guys are right. It will be a dark future if this is taken seriously.

[–]RavenscroftRaven 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

We need a second internet. One for people with skin thicker than a micrometre, and one for offendatrons.

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[–]PadaV4 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

Pfft, one more boss spawned.The bigger they are the harder they fall. We just might need to grind a bit before we take it on. :)

[–]AFunctions 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

No, we are not literally fighting.

Yet.

[–]corruptigon2 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

i was going to write this once again, this is not about games only, it's about humanity.

I've believed it since august 2014 but what the UN did confirmed it

[–]videogameboss 10ポイント11ポイント  (4子コメント)

SJWs are the people who want to go full 1984, except they want to wear the rat mask themselves so they can eat the rat because they're all fat.

[–]WhyNotEatCats 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

Thank you. You have written my favourite thing.

[–]the_nybbler 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

ROTFL. When the SJWs put on the rat mask, it's the RATS who are being tortured.

[–]AzraelBaneDaedric Shitlord 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

Here have some DLC to play

Nulla è vero, tutto è concesso

[–]LividGGPartisan 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

well not the most fundamental ones... but otherwise, you're not wrong.

[–]highlordbubbles 2ポイント3ポイント  (3子コメント)

Jesus Christ you guys are overreacting. Its the fucking UN. Aside from charities, they never accomplish anything and are incapable of enforcing their own rules, getting shut down by all the legitimately powerful governments the second they try. They couldn't stop the US from using torture, they couldn't do anything about Darfur just because China and Russia basically said "no". The US (and a bunch of other countries to be frank) are already on outs with the UN. Everyone either hates them or thinks they're a joke. People wanted to pull out of the UN over a fucking bill to help veterans that the UN proposed. If you guys seriously think the US or any major country would let a pussy organization like this push them into censoring the internet, than we deserve the tin foil hat comments.

And besides, wasn't it established a few days before that this meeting the Literally Who's went to is just one of those meaningless things anyone can get if they pay enough, like their attempt to speak to Congress? That went fucking nowhere. So why are we freaking the fuck out over this, which is basically the exact same situation? Because the UN made a "report", that's horribly sourced? Are we really so jumpy that a bullshit report that no major country cares about sets off alarms?

Seriously this is like when we were freaking out over that Common Core shit and had people saying it was designed to brainwash children with communist ideas. We need to stop trying to make Gamergate into this massive global conspiracy war. Gamergate is just a bunch of gamers who got fed up with being shit on by the corrupt clique of journalists and internet drama queens and stood up for themselves. I'm not saying Gamergate isn't important (that'd be stupid to say after how much it's done) but we need to understand what we are if we're going to keep accomplishing stuff.

[–]usery 7ポイント8ポイント  (0子コメント)

Unfortunately they work by influencing the "understood" opinion. The ripple effect on media within countries leads to laws..bad laws.

You've seen how this works with how gamergate was smeared on a massive scale with this ripple effect, and the fear generated has led to laws in places like new zealand already. Doesn't matter if the UN is useless, anything that lends legitimacy to such notions needs to be fought, because politicians will not guard your rights.

[–]frankenmine/r/WerthamInAction - #ComicGate[S] 6ポイント7ポイント  (0子コメント)

The problem is not the UN panel and report itself. The problem was not the Google Ideas meeting. The problem was not the Congressional hearing. Of course these things, in and of themselves, are fairly toothless. The problem is bigger than that.

  • The mere ability to get access to these platforms shows that McIntosh and his ilk is building up a progressively larger and more influential network fairly quickly. At the rate he's going, he might be able to infiltrate actually influential organizations, at the corporate and/or governmental levels, fairly soon.
  • Their reputation, though absolutely undeserved, is building up. A normie who knows absolutely nothing about #GamerGate, but sees that these people and their talking points have been given a platform at the UN, at Google, in Congress, etc., will be more likely to take them seriously. Multiply that by millions and you suddenly have an astroturf movement to counter our grassroots movement. Even if they don't do much activism, they'll provide passive resistance when we're trying to get things done.

True, we should moderate our reactions, but we should also take a long-term view of what these developments indicate. They're leveling up. The only thing that can stand in their way is a gamer girl who refuses to go home.

[–]SergeantSchmoopy 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

It's the fucking UN

Our point exactly.

[–]CountVonVague 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

So what you're saying is... those games we used to play somewhat became real and found a way to get to us. unreal

[–]Unheroic_ 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

Pretty much, yeah. You forgot to add that they can't even write reports. (holy shit, that citation page would've given my english teacher cancer.)

[–]mnemosyne-0000#BotYourShield / https://i.imgur.com/6X3KtgD.jpg 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

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[–]rbstewart7263 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

https://www.reddit.com/r/KotakuInAction/comments/3mf0e1/discussionwhat_the_un_event_actually_means/

I suggest reading this. Unless it comes to a resolution I doubt any of this matters.

[–]MagosBiologis 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

FFS, you're really overreacting here. It's the bloody UN. Hardly anyone takes them seriously on anything, at least where I come from (Singapore). They can't get us to stop judicial torture despite their convention (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_Nations_Convention_against_Torture). I seriously doubt if they are capable of exerting any influence on our gaming habits whatsoever.

Now, if it were an organisation that actually was capable of projecting power, such as G-20, I'd be more concerned.

[–]Velvet_Llama -1ポイント0ポイント  (2子コメント)

Oh is this the thread for all the people that have lost their damn minds?

[–]frankenmine/r/WerthamInAction - #ComicGate[S] 0ポイント1ポイント  (1子コメント)

Please stop projecting. Thanks.

[–]Velvet_Llama 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

Frankenmine! You're like my favorite poster!

[–]oroboroboro -1ポイント0ポイント  (2子コメント)

Ok, while the title is technically true, the situation is not as dramatic. You see Congress or UN stuff, but at the end of the day it's just PR form the same circle jerk, they are presentations quite accessible if you care about it. Do you want Sargon talking at UE congress? It's just a phone call away. This is why 80% of the money UN have to fight injustice are used to pay UN people and not on the actual purpose.

It's like giving the key of Detroit to Saddam Hussein... but at the end of the day, sane people will see the truth and act if something will become widely dangerous.

[–]SergeantSchmoopy 1ポイント2ポイント  (1子コメント)

Why would Saddam Hussein want the keys to Detroit?

[–]oroboroboro 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

I guess in the 1980 it was slightly better city.

http://www.timeenoughforlove.org/saved/SaddamReceivedKeyToCityOfDetroit1980_files/a01key.jpg

Yes, it was a citation not a fictional allegory.

[–]TheMindUnfetteredGrand Poobah of GamerGate 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

Literally...