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[–]whispers21vegetarian 4ポイント5ポイント  (22子コメント)

I would suggest only eating wild game. There is nothing humane about farm animals.

[–]Sparkykc124 3ポイント4ポイント  (21子コメント)

I'm curious why you'd say that. My mom has raised a couple steers for meat, they seemed very happy and she treated them well. Yes, they still must be killed and at a young age but so must game. I'm not sure how she was able to do it, one of the reasons I stopped eating meat was because I realized that I wasn't willing to take a life for food.

[–]whispers21vegetarian 2ポイント3ポイント  (20子コメント)

Because there is a difference in raising something for the explicit reason of killing it and hunting your own meat. I hate to compare animals to humans, but let's put it this way: Which is sicker? The serial killer who picks off random people on the street or the one who keeps them locked in the basement, dresses them up, brushes their hair, and holds conversations with them and then murders them?

Added: I'm sure your mom is a very nice lady, but that is basically the same argument for why people wanted to keep their slaves before the Civil War. Because they were humane slave owners, whose slaves were always happy.

[–]iheartdewey 2ポイント3ポイント  (7子コメント)

Keeping a human locked up in a cellar and psychologically torturing it is nowhere near as bad as raising a few cows on a small farm. When I was a child were hand reared an orphaned calf. He lived on our farm for years before dying of natural causes. He was well cared for and seemed happy. My parents still raise cows. They have about a dozen of them on their 30 acre farm. I keep chickens on my little farm too. I feed them and dote on them and have no intention of ever eating one, just collecting the eggs. I don't think that makes me as bad as Buffalo Bill. I agree 100% that factory farms aren't humane, but small farms where the animals are well cared for are great.

[–]whispers21vegetarian -2ポイント-1ポイント  (6子コメント)

Yeah, I'm going to go back to my slavery comment on this one. You are keeping creatures generally against their will. What, they have the right not to be killed but not the right to be free? That seems like a half baked philosophy to me.

[–]iheartdewey 0ポイント1ポイント  (5子コメント)

TIL I'm literally as bad as slave owners in the old south for having free range chickens.

[–]whispers21vegetarian -2ポイント-1ポイント  (4子コメント)

That isn't what I said. I'm trying to make a comparison that you would be able to understand. Instead of giving it some thought, though, you've decided to form ridiculous conclusions from my comment. Probably because you are now insecure about your ownership of other living beings and are immature with your convictions, therefore acting out in fear.

[–]iheartdewey 2ポイント3ポイント  (3子コメント)

I'm not insecure at all. And frankly I find it offensive and a slap in the face to descendants of slavery that you're making light of their ancestor's struggles by comparing the two.

[–]whispers21vegetarian 0ポイント1ポイント  (2子コメント)

Would you compare killing animals to murder?

[–]iheartdewey [スコア非表示]  (1子コメント)

No, I wouldn't. Same as I wouldn't call a cat killing a mouse murder either. Torture or cruelty? Maybe. It depends on the situation and how the animals were raised and killed. Humans are part of the food chain just like any other animal. The only difference is that most humans can lead perfectly normal healthy lives without consuming meat. There are exceptions though, like in OP's case. He can't live without meat, but he can at least make sure the meat he gets is as ethically produced as possible.

[–]Sparkykc124 5ポイント6ポイント  (11子コメント)

I don't agree with your comparison. The steers she raised were not locked up in a basement, though they were contained, and they were treated just like any rescue animal would be, or my pets for that matter. On the other hand, when you are hunting you are potentially sentencing the young offspring of your prey to death.

[–]whispers21vegetarian 2ポイント3ポイント  (10子コメント)

Well, I would argue that rescue animals and your pets are not nearly as happy as they would be in their natural habitat-- Or, for the instance of domesticated animals, not existing at all. The only exception to this rule are dogs.

[–]Sparkykc124 2ポイント3ポイント  (9子コメント)

Why dogs?

[–]whispers21vegetarian 2ポイント3ポイント  (8子コメント)

Dogs have evolved specifically as companions for humans. It is a very strange thing. They are actually happier living with humans than without. Which isn't something that you can say for any other animal.

[–]Sparkykc124 5ポイント6ポイント  (7子コメント)

Dogs have evolved specifically as companions for humans.

They have been bred that way, like most domesticated animals. If they have been bred for work they are happiest working, companionship included. Many breeds of dogs would likely not survive in the wild, the same could be said for most domesticated animals. I guess you have to draw a line somewhere. Happiness? I would guess that my SO's cat is much happier in her care than being in the wild, that could be said for many domesticated animals not raised for meat, including chickens and horses.

[–]whispers21vegetarian -3ポイント-2ポイント  (6子コメント)

There is a different relationship between humans and dogs and humans and other animals. For instance, your SO's cat would most definitely be better off in the wild. Cats don't do well in captivity, despite the 'fact' that we have domesticated them. Horses, as well, do much better in the wild. Chickens are about as stupid as stupid gets, so who knows if they understand the difference between being fenced in or not. You are right, dogs would not survive in the wild. Like I said, they are the exception to the rule. But don't make the mistake of believing that just because something wouldn't be able to survive without human intervention makes it okay for humans to intervene. Death/extinction is not the worst thing that can happen to a creature/species.

[–]iheartdewey 2ポイント3ポイント  (5子コメント)

Do you have any sources to back up your claims about cats being better off in the wild? Domesticated cats live longer and healthier lives than their feral counterparts.