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Derek Smart Content - Poll *Updated* (self.starcitizen)

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Poll

In light of feedback on the previous thread, we've reworded the poll:

Should /r/starcitizen ban all submissions relating to Derek Smart?

If the vote is yes, we will remove new submissions about Derek Smart as not directly relating to the Star Citizen franchise. If the vote is no, we will not.

ETA: This vote will last until Sunday, September 27th at 11:59 pm UTC. You will need to vote again if you only voted in the first poll.

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[–]Ilves7Freelancer 21ポイント22ポイント  (6子コメント)

I just don't understand why people care about him. He has nothing to do with nor any effect on the game. He's simply someone wanting attention and it's strange how everyone is giving it to him. I'd love to never see him mentioned anywhere on this reddit because it's annoyingly inconsequential and I'm lazy and don't feel like wading through bullshit.

But it's also reddit and I hope that at some point people stop submitting crap about him.

[–]driftdeep 6ポイント7ポイント  (0子コメント)

He is submitting that crap via alts that the problem.

[–]mrpanicyColonel -1ポイント0ポイント  (3子コメント)

He is affecting the games development. His vitriol can, will, and has influenced peoples choices in regards to backing the game.

That will hurt the game in a small to big way. Depending on how much traction he gains.

In theory, he could kill the game midway through it's development. Or hinder it. Or cause then to minimize the scope of the game and make it a lesser vision.

He isn't a small problem. And he isn't truly containable. He takes the truth and distorts it. Making it feel so real that people can easily believe it.

I hope I am wrong and the only people that believe him are people that never would have backed. But I don't think I am. There are alot of people on the fence, and his words can sway them.

[–]Ilves7Freelancer 0ポイント1ポイント  (1子コメント)

Eh, I disagree. There have been plenty of vocal people against this game from the start and calling Roberts a fraud, hasn't changed anything.

[–]mrpanicyColonel 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

You can disagree. But he most likely has influenced a few peoples decisions. The same with the others. Like it or not, even if they influence one person, whether through media articles about them hating on SC, or their own actions, it still hurts the development.

The only thing we can debate is the severity of their impact.

[–]Foamloller 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

The majority of backers probably don't even know who he is. He's an annoying mosquito if you check the subreddit every now and then, but I can imagine it's really tiring to see anything relating to him if you check the subreddit often.

I wouldn't even care if a bunch big studios professionally expressed doubts about SC's development, and compared to them DS is just a lil kid with a loud mouth.

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    [–]CymelionVice Admiral 63ポイント64ポイント  (52子コメント)

    So just to be clear using ridiculous unlikely examples

    • Derek Smart flosses his teeth with the anal wool of neglected sheep = Removed

    • Derek Smart launches legal proceedings against CIG specifying claims against Star Citizen = Not Removed

    Is that the correct way reading the poll?

    [–]Dolvak[M] 43ポイント44ポイント  (45子コメント)

    Yes, CIG news that unfortunately involves Derek Smart is fine. Random loony ravings would not be.

    [–]dczanikSpace Marshal 15ポイント16ポイント  (17子コメント)

    Good to know! That's the only reason I voted 'No'.
    The ramblings of Derek Smart don't belong here, but if there's any legal matters that just happen to involve him (I feel) should be okay. Because if it does go to court, I want to know what is going on there since it could potentially affect the game and CIG.

    But any saber rattling doesn't belong here.

    [–]MoleculorGolden Ticket Holder 1ポイント2ポイント  (14子コメント)

    So why did you vote 'no' then? Because a 'no' means (as far as I can tell) that both ramblings and valid content are allowed, while a yes means that ramblings are not, while valid content is.

    [–]dczanikSpace Marshal 4ポイント5ポイント  (13子コメント)

    I voted no, the community can still upvote and downvote stuff that doesn't belong without needing moderators involvement. If it's more ramblings, the community downvotes it anyways.

    I voted before the moderator message of defining what valid content was. And for me, legal actions against CIG counts as valid content. I didn't want news like that banned.

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      [–]Panda-MoniumRear Admiral 20ポイント21ポイント  (15子コメント)

      My problem is this creates grey areas:

      • Derek Smart threatens to launch legal proceedings against CIG specifying claims against Star Citizen (but doesn't)
      • Derek Smart alleges Chris Roberts flosses his teeth with the anal wool of neglected sheep funded with backer money

      Do these get removed? I got no problem with directly related staying and indirectly being removed.

      • Lunatic makes unsubstantiated claims is indirectly, not directly, related and should be removed. Even if those claims are against CIG.
      • CIG posts official response to madman's claims would be directly related and should stay.

      [–]SarcastinatorBounty Hunter 10ポイント11ポイント  (11子コメント)

      Some of the point of moderators is to allow some room for interpretation.

      [–]gemin1Space Marshal 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

      Voted no because every opinion however shrill and out of left field has the right to be down voted or otherwise.

      That his comments incite this much interest indicates he is striking a chord with others following Star Citizens development.

      The easy fix is for CiG to continue to release content, it already looks better than the body of work Mr. Smart has made this being his latest and has not yet involved apparent bank fraud or an unfortunate incident at a petting zoo, is that for real?!

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        [–]thevertical 6ポイント7ポイント  (0子コメント)

        The use of the word 'all' in the poll is too strong- it infers a mindless, blanket approach.

        I'm actually enjoying watching the Smart v. CIG farce unfold, it's like watching a cat attacking the one in the mirror.

        Everything else should go, however. We don't want to descend to a circus side-show (Roll up! Roll up! Watch the world's biggest gibbering idiot as he shoots himself in the foot!)

        [–]CMDR_DrDeathGrand Admiral 2ポイント3ポイント  (1子コメント)

        The poll asks whether to ban "all" posts relating to DS not "some". C'mon guys. Decide on a proper wording for the poll and then stick with it.

        [–]ForgedIronMadeItGrand Admiral 1ポイント2ポイント  (7子コメント)

        I think that this is the appropriate way to handle this. I'm fine with a certain level of interpretation as necessary.

        [–]Dolvak[M] 2ポイント3ポイント  (6子コメント)

        We really don't want to censor anything this just is not the place for it. Derek smart goes in /r/dereksmart. Starcitizen goes in /r/starcitizen.

        [–]95688it 2ポイント3ポイント  (5子コメント)

        /r/dereksmart is dead now that BDT decided to invite DS to be a mod there

        [–]MageoftheyearFreelancer 3ポイント4ポイント  (4子コメント)

        BDT decided to invite DS to be a mod there

        You must be joking...

        [–]95688it 3ポイント4ポイント  (3子コメント)

        nope. and he also mode another subreddit just to mock wulf.

        [–]MrHerpDerp 1ポイント2ポイント  (1子コメント)

        Well, someone make a new one called /r/dereksmartdrama or something.

        [–]MageoftheyearFreelancer 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

        Some people.

        [–][deleted] 1ポイント2ポイント  (5子コメント)

        What about "unsubstantiated claims about CIG by DS?" I can see the argument being made that it has to he factual CIG content.

        [–]StarAdder 6ポイント7ポイント  (2子コメント)

        I would just like to say, regardless of banning or not DS threads, if something could be done about the gross number of "alt" ( to not use other words) account that user has, it's hard to keep track of them at this point.

        [–]columbosoftserve 3ポイント4ポイント  (1子コメント)

        I believe the word you were looking for is 'personalities'

        [–]UncleMalkyFreelancer 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

        Maybe when they hit critical mass they will start turning on each other.

        [–]malogosHigh Admiral 5ポイント6ポイント  (0子コメント)

        Derek Smart is an absolute troll that only wants to draw attention to himself. As much as I hate to censor anything, it's not worth our time.

        You can't entertain craziness.

        I learned long ago, never to wrestle with a pig. You get dirty, and besides, the pig likes it.

        [–]keramzHigh Admiral 18ポイント19ポイント  (6子コメント)

        Why is this even a poll. DS is not Starcitizen therefore off topic by default.

        [–]Dr_DippyPirate 5ポイント6ポイント  (1子コメント)

        Who exactly is Derek Smart and why should I care?

        edit: for anyone else curious he is apparently trying to start a class action lawsuit against CIG if they don't respond to his threats to publish "complete forensic accounting"

        IMO he sounds like a raving idiot

        http://www.pcgamer.com/derek-smart-threatens-legal-action-against-cloud-imperium-games-over-star-citizen/

        [–]g0rynychCommander 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

        He is annoying guy who develops his own space combat game and spends most of his free time blaming SC.

        [–]Alysianah 3ポイント4ポイント  (0子コメント)

        Can a mod sticky and note in title "must vote again" since word change. I almost didn't read it again since I already voted and it's no longer considered a new thread so it's not on first page

        [–]Skribla8 4ポイント5ポイント  (0子コメント)

        Yes because 99% of the stuff posted is not related to Star Citizen neither really is staff leaving/speculation about people being fired without any direct evidence leaving the conspirators run wild and Derek Smart die hard's who actually believe the stuff this guy posts thinking its actually factual information (I feel deeply sorry for you people) .

        [–]TheGrandZenMasterFreelancer 4ポイント5ポイント  (0子コメント)

        that poll is so fucking easy to rig I think mods are assing us. pathetic

        [–]vogon_poem_lover 6ポイント7ポイント  (8子コメント)

        If the vote is yes, we will remove new submissions about Derek Smart as not directly relating to the Star Citizen franchise. If the vote is no, we will not.

        We already have a rule that states all content must be directly related to SC, so is it even necessary to ban DS related posts that have no bearing on SC?

        [–]Dunnlang 3ポイント4ポイント  (5子コメント)

        Unfortunately a lot of people like to spend thousands of hours arguing over the literal interpretation of an internet forum rule.

        It seems clear me that some guy (not working on Star Citizen) saying some things about Star Citizen is not necessarily Stat Citizen related and the vast majority of the discussions veer far from specific Star Citizen topics. Just because some one says the phrase "Star Citizen" does not make it a valuable addition to the community.

        [–]shuckiebutt 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

        That's up to the community when the post is made. This entire poll is at best unnecessary, and worst, an abuse of power. It's probably somewhere between the two.

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          [–]qwintsRear Admiral[S] 4ポイント5ポイント  (1子コメント)

          We now allow posts about Derek Smart's campaign against CIG. We would be removing those if we adopt the rule.

          [–]vogon_poem_lover 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

          If there were zero risk to CIG (and SC) then I'd be on board with nixing all discussion related to DS, but according to some redditors with more legal knowledge than I there is some cause for concern that DS can turn this into a real legal headache as well as a financial drain on CIG. For that reason and until that storm has blown over I feel that we need to allow news and discussion posts on the topic as long as they involve SC or CIG and aren't just more barely coherent ramblings on the part of DS.

          [–]CptRenkoCaptain 6ポイント7ポイント  (2子コメント)

          Maybe a start would be banning HIM from this sub first ?

          [–]Tumbler 6ポイント7ポイント  (0子コメント)

          We already have a heavily censored forums on the CIG website so please don't make this subreddit like that.

          I don't often visit the forums anymore because it feels like an army of fan boys.

          Let people post what they like and if people don't like it then they can downvote it.

          [–]JJGuruFreelancer 5ポイント6ポイント  (1子コメント)

          Yup, now we can get back to discussing the actual game.

          [–]msdong71Freelancer 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

          To be fair, if everyone would just discuss the game those postings went down the drain really fast.

          [–]BigPointyTeethRear Admiral 7ポイント8ポイント  (0子コメント)

          I don't think it's a good idea to ban all posts because although ignorance is bliss, it can also be very dangerous. I rather keep track of that idiot and since I won't be following him anywhere, I rather get the important news from this subreddit.

          [–]rhadiemGrand Admiral 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

          I'm only interested in anything DS has to say if it's legit and verifiable. Speculative drama posts have no place here, the community has enough on its own.

          [–]IDoNotAgreeWithYou 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

          There will be no more official CIG news with Derek Shart involved, so you might as well just ban any mentions of him.

          [–]Oddzball 2ポイント3ポイント  (6子コメント)

          Yeah the poll has gone to shit. Kinda expected this.

          Hey /u/qwints /u/Dolvak

          When a poll goes from being damn near dead even like an hour ago to a 350+ point lead in one direction With almost more votes in the last hour or so then it had all day yesterday evening, yeah, your either getting massively vote brigaded or someone is spamming it via TOR, VPN or Proxies.

          [–]Dolvak[M] 1ポイント2ポイント  (5子コメント)

          Well SA have been botting since yesterday. They mentioned it briefly. This might just be the weekend users coming online. There are quite a few of them

          [–]Oddzball 3ポイント4ポイント  (4子コメント)

          Who is SA? Look Dolvak, at this point if everyone knows the poll is a sham, being botted, vote brigaded etc why not just do whatever youre gonna do. I don't like it, but at the same time, it leaves an even more sour taste in my mouth when the poll has obviously been botted/manipulated, and trying to use it as justification of what the community wants. 6 votes a minute for an hour straight by my math isnt just regular traffic, thats someone spamming the poll with some bullshit.

          [–]Dolvak 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

          It's not that easy. We are trying to find a solution. SA is the goons. On a forum one of them admitted to botting the thread. This is why NO shot up instantly and then leveled out before shooting up again. Now it looks like someone is botting yes.

          [–]TehrinFreelancer 0ポイント1ポイント  (2子コメント)

          HAH YOU ADMIT IT

          I FEEL VINDICATED

          [–]Oddzball 0ポイント1ポイント  (1子コメント)

          I saw it too. I didnt know what was up the other day, but I know for a fact that when I looked the other day after work, it went from being damn near dead even to a 350 vote jump of yes's. (And Im not even exaggerating) Apparently people are botting both sides of the poll. Goons botting no, someone botting yes. I mean there is no way otherwise this poll would have gotten like 6k votes. Its obvious at this point.

          [–]SlackR76 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

          I think its about time content was released... You guys have WAY too much time on your hands! :p

          derek Smart lol ... In a normal world, this guy wouldnt be news ... He wouldnt even be a footnote... But in SC world ... Hes front page news because we have run out of things to talk about!

          [–]95688it 11ポイント12ポイント  (25子コメント)

          something Fucky is going on, all the sudden No has taken a lead where it was losing by several hundred votes earlier.

          [–]Raticus79 5ポイント6ポイント  (2子コメント)

          The simple IP restrictions on straw polls aren't suitable for anything important.

          [–]Oddzball 3ポイント4ポイント  (8子コメント)

          How long ago was it in the lead though? Its after 4pm here in the states, people getting home from work getting on the reddit and voting? And with all the drama going on right now we have a lot more traffic then normal today.

          [–]TehrinFreelancer 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

          Yeah someone just rigged a bot with a changing VPN IP. It was overwhelmingly yes prior to that

          [–]LlamaOfLucifer 1ポイント2ポイント  (9子コメント)

          Oh for fucks sake. Now people are going to be claiming the poll was a fraud. People will find a way around IP restriction yes, are most people doing it? No. Do you really think there's such a strong DS movement on this subreddit that it will affect the overall outcome? Look, some people don't know how to not click a link, some people get butthurt about a topic showing up on an internet forum that they don't like, regardless of whether or not it's relevant to the topic. I vote no because I don't appreciate censorship, especially over something this trivial. You didn't hear me blaming fraud when "yes" was winning.

          [–]Alysianah 1ポイント2ポイント  (2子コメント)

          EXACTLY i bet people don't realize they have to vote again. this is a bit of a foobar throwing out the original vote. I thought they were going to clean up the wording. If you only check NEW posts, you don't realize your original vote hit the trash can. I almost didn't realize it.

          I'll just exit reddit like the forums. The number of DS posts in the past couple of days alone is ridiculous with people too clueless to check before posting the same exact shit.

          [–]octal9Towel 1ポイント2ポイント  (1子コメント)

          /new has been a fucking minefield for the past 24 hours. The current result of this poll is just mindboggling.

          [–]Alysianah 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

          I think it's been botted (spoofed IPs) the results were VERY clear on the last poll with an overwhelming vote to ban them. Not sure why clarifying the text meant starting it over. Very silly. It's all a foobar now.

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            [–]PS2viciadoMercenary -1ポイント0ポイント  (0子コメント)

            Yep, just 6 hours ago, yes had like 75%+ I think this poll has been rigged.

            [–]joe1826Rear Admiral -1ポイント0ポイント  (0子コメント)

            Go watch the poll something fucky is going on but its with the Yes votes. You can sit there and watch as every 15 sec and Yes vote is registered. Pretty clear whats going on there.

            [–]Ish043 23ポイント24ポイント  (7子コメント)

            I don't agree at all with this. This goes against everything Reddit stands for, people should be able to discuss whatever the hell they like in here, pro-SC or anti, it shouldn't matter. Nobody is forcing you to click on those threads. It's like when people weren't allowed to post leaked information all over again, this is REDDIT, not CIG, period.

            The next step could be that you ban all submissions relating to INN cause some people don't like all the positive SC news. (Don't get me wrong, i absolutly adore INN) But ANY kind of censorship in Reddit is just plain wrong.

            If you want that, you should simply try the official forums.

            [Edit] This feels like something DS would do, and I think it's a damn shame that some members of this community can't be "above" that.

            [–]Zethos 21ポイント22ポイント  (3子コメント)

            While I agree that people can just not click on something they don't want to see reddit does not work you seem to think it works. Subreddits are allowed to dictate the kind of content they see, that's why they can create a set a rules and why they can have moderators enforce those rules. If it was truly meant to allow discussion of anything and everything it wouldn't have such systems in place. As it stands the community decides how things are run and if they don't like it either they call for a rule change, or start using a new subreddit.

            [–]Alysianah 5ポイント6ポイント  (0子コメント)

            Exactly. Like you can't do org recruitment posts or trading/selling posts here for the same reasons.

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              [–]DeedTheInkyTowel 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

              I see it as more like spam control. As stated above, you can still post CIG news that happens to involve Smart, and you can still discuss him in comments, you just can't post his random musings and blogspam, which have been rampant for the last few days.

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                [–]Tilvaltar 4ポイント5ポイント  (5子コメント)

                Another gem like this would be against the rules and banned in case of a "yes" majority, right?

                [–]qwintsRear Admiral[S] 4ポイント5ポイント  (2子コメント)

                Yes.

                [–]vogon_poem_lover 6ポイント7ポイント  (1子コメント)

                The title was a bit click-baity, but that post contained information directly related to CIG. It confirmed for us backers that there was no active investigation of CIG by the FTC. Why should reject it just because the title included that ass-hats name?

                [–]qwintsRear Admiral[S] 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

                The post was directly related to refuting a Derek Smart claim.

                [–]Angry_PacifistFreelancer 1ポイント2ポイント  (1子コメント)

                yes, because the correct place would be /r/dereksmart where lots of other "gems" can be found :-p

                [–]Tilvaltar 4ポイント5ポイント  (0子コメント)

                But not always with a relation to Star Citizen. The Wulf Knight letter had a relation, and it was a very important post (IMHO).

                [–]ElmoHatesMe 4ポイント5ポイント  (1子コメント)

                yes. I think its pathetic that I check in once or twice a week for star marine updates and all I see are you people giving DS attention.

                [–]HycoCamMercenary -1ポイント0ポイント  (0子コメント)

                Not to flip it around--but if we were playing Star Marine, do you think we would be talking about DS?

                [–]g0rynychCommander 4ポイント5ポイント  (1子コメント)

                No need for bans. Please respect freedom of speech on reddit and keep it censorship free. People upvote and downvote posts and it works well. This is how reddit works.

                [–]ObackVice Admiral 7ポイント8ポイント  (3子コメント)

                I really don't want to see any censorship, even though Dsmart is a complete retard.

                [–]RopeBunny 12ポイント13ポイント  (2子コメント)

                Mods delete please, more DS spam.

                /s

                [–]Lonestar_the_Kilrath 4ポイント5ポイント  (1子コメント)

                damn dude, that's a lot of vote bombing going on, lol

                [–]TehrinFreelancer 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

                Yes.. Yes it is

                [–]g0rynychCommander 4ポイント5ポイント  (3子コメント)

                Reddit doesn't need censorship.
                Non-relevant threads are sinking with downvotes and it's enough to keep subreddit clean.

                [–]cabbagehead112 3ポイント4ポイント  (2子コメント)

                Not if people comment in it...

                [–]HycoCamMercenary 0ポイント1ポイント  (1子コメント)

                So we must keep backers from talking about certain things? Sure does sound like censorship.

                [–]cabbagehead112 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

                uh? I don't know what you are referring to. Because i was referring to his second comment about how "Non relevant threads sink with downvotes" which has not been the case and on more then a few occasions they are HOT topics regardless of the vote count. Given people keep commenting in them non stop. I mean there is a sub reddt for all the DS crap but people keep forgetting that and truthful i think the mods need to super link that sub.

                Plus there are more then a few sub reddits that have rules and will ban you if you don't stay on topic. So don't act like this is the front page or ALLo or that reddit is not censored.

                [–]Oddzball 1ポイント2ポイント  (3子コメント)

                Hey /u/qwints could you add to the main OP what time this poll ends for clarity purposes?

                [–]qwintsRear Admiral[S] 2ポイント3ポイント  (2子コメント)

                Sure

                [–]TehrinFreelancer 0ポイント1ポイント  (1子コメント)

                Your poll just got bombarded by a bot, no way 350 ish people all voted no within 20 minutes

                Edit: And then it swung back to yes in the same fashion... sigh

                [–]InertiamanSCHigh Admiral 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

                Poll reworded into a other one yes, two no votes. 1 or 0 guys. Pls.

                [–]The---BatmanHigh Admiral 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

                I don't understand why the tellings/blogs/etc. of a con-man even need a vote to be allowed/disallowed on this sub. It's a no-brainer.

                [–]jagerx9 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

                Many have suggested mandatory archival link/screenshot rather than clickbait feed. I agree with this compromise primarily.

                [–]TehrinFreelancer 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

                This review of Derek Smart's "big" game is pretty much word for word what he uses as talking points against CIG. I have to say the line about the manual cracked me up.

                "All of this is made a thousand times worse by a manual that is more like an un-manual. If I fed my dog a set of Scrabble tiles he could have crapped a better manual."

                http://www.gamespot.com/reviews/battlecruiser-3000-ad-review/1900-2538148/

                [–]ExtreWeekend Warrior 6ポイント7ポイント  (2子コメント)

                no. no censorship. Let the votes decide.

                [–]The---BatmanHigh Admiral 2ポイント3ポイント  (1子コメント)

                How do you feel about censoring spam? Gold sellers? Fraudsters? CC dumps? Off topic nonsense?

                [–]Liudeius 7ポイント8ポイント  (5子コメント)

                No.
                The official forum's censorship has no place here.
                Maybe be stricter in moderating them (no "rag on DS" stuff, only updates), but for better or worse the DS fiasco is part of SC development, and is therefore relevant to SC.

                He's not a boogeyman, saying his name in a mirror three times doesn't summon him, talking about him doesn't make him stronger. If you don't want to feed his ego, don't click links to DS articles (no ad revenue), don't comment on DS discussion, and downvote it.
                But that's not grounds for censorship.

                [–]keramzHigh Admiral 2ポイント3ポイント  (3子コメント)

                It absolutely needs it. You're confusing free speech and hate speech.

                Everything he does is for one purpose - to destroy star citizen.

                His reasons are methods are hateful. Constant click baits that can't be banned generates advertising income and empowers him to do more harm.

                Those are perfect grounds for censorship.

                He is n

                [–]Liudeius 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

                I didn't say let DS post here. I said don't censor mention of him.

                If I see someone ask "who's DS" (here or on the official forums), I will tell them, not scream for the censor hammer.

                If people want information on who DS is and his actions (relevant to SC), then censoring them isn't "blocking hate speech" it's pretending DS doesn't exist by blocking information.

                And personally I'm interested in seeing what happens if he actually does take CIG to court.
                Contrary to popular belief, any publicity is NOT good publicity. Simply acknowledging the fact that he takes CIG to court (if he does) won't make him ultra rich or anything.
                If people want information on who DS is and his actions (relevant to SC), then censoring them isn't "blocking hate speech" it's pretending DS doesn't exist by blocking information.

                Also libel is not hate speech.

                Like I said, don't censor, just moderate more. I would propose the following standards for DS posts:

                • DS can't post.
                • Any links must be archives to prevent ad revenue and page views.
                • All OPs much be factual (no "DS sucks," but "Update on DS lawsuit" is allowed).

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                  [–]Oddzball 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

                  Agreed, if he posts something directly related to CIG or SC, talking about them, good or bad, it should be allowed, but all the rage and whatever posts shouldn't be allowed.

                  [–]macharial420Grand Admiral 4ポイント5ポイント  (5子コメント)

                  Does a bear shit in the woods.

                  [–]vilagefool 5ポイント6ポイント  (4子コメント)

                  technically, I think a bear shits anywhere it damn well pleases :)

                  [–]SC_TheBursarSpace Marshal 4ポイント5ポイント  (0子コメント)

                  For that matter, apparently so does Derek Smart.

                  [–]macharial420Grand Admiral 1ポイント2ポイント  (2子コメント)

                  Sounds like Derek. ;)

                  [–]vilagefool 0ポイント1ポイント  (1子コメント)

                  ouch, that's probably the most hurtful thing you could say! :P

                  [–]macharial420Grand Admiral 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

                  Just the shitting anywhere he wants part.

                  Bears know when to go to sleep.

                  [–]AccelerwraithCompletionist 4ポイント5ポイント  (11子コメント)

                  So.. Turns out I was being played by /u/BoredDellTechnician

                  Can't expect much more than that from a Goon. He's added Smart and Beer as mods for /r/DerekSmart and created a lovely new subreddit, just for me.

                  https://www.reddit.com/r/Accelerwraith/comments/3m4wym/this_post_dispels_lies_being_spread_by/

                  [–]Outllaw 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

                  Wow Smart is a really salty man child. Personally I wouldn't tolerate him speaking to me like that. He can threaten legal action as much as he wants, doesn't do you much good in certain situations. Keep on fighting dude this idiot is going to slip up sooner than later and destroy himself.

                  [–]ilovecreamsodaRear Admiral 3ポイント4ポイント  (1子コメント)

                  /r/accelerwraith needs to be reported to reddit admins for harassment imo.

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                    [–]thaliffCartographer 3ポイント4ポイント  (1子コメント)

                    It just needs to fucking stop. Every bit of conversation about him feeds that assholes ego...just fucking downvote it and move on.

                    [–]Jumpman-x 3ポイント4ポイント  (0子コメント)

                    Delete everything about that guy. As Star Citizen's community we should worry about the game, and bother devs about that. Not some butthurt fan-guy who got a little too famous over this shit.

                    [–]Oddzball 1ポイント2ポイント  (3子コメント)

                    Thank you for this. At least I can see this is a less biased easy to understand poll. Not that I agree with censorship, but I've voted again.

                    [–]zaybertamer 2ポイント3ポイント  (9子コメント)

                    It would be nice if we could be sure that nobody double votes, or at least make it harder too. If we could somehow restrict it to subscribers that would work enough (I know one could make many accounts but its at least something more).

                    Otherwise thanks for starting this, posts about him don't seem to be making any valuable contributions.

                    [–]qwintsRear Admiral[S,M] 3ポイント4ポイント  (8子コメント)

                    It's set to make sure the same IP doesn't vote twice. I don't know of a good, free way to prevent someone determined from skewing the vote from doing so.

                    [–]TehrinFreelancer 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

                    Didn't work bud, someone just fucked your poll with a VPN

                    [–]CptUnderpants-Towel 1ポイント2ポイント  (3子コメント)

                    It has prevented others at my workplace (on the same IP) and more than one of my 3 housemates (all backers) from voting. Damned if you do, damned if you don't.

                    [–]TehrinFreelancer 1ポイント2ポイント  (2子コメント)

                    I work for an ISP, I can change my IP without a VPN or any fuckery... just reassign from internal every x seconds and have a key command to click the poll and click yes every x seconds.

                    Not that I care enough about this poll or subreddit to waste time skewing a poll, however, I can't be the only star citizen in such a position.

                    Makes me really devalue the results, Yes was at 70%, then No skyrocketed past it to 50%, and now Yes is back above. Polls don't just swing back and forth drastically, people on both sides are fucking this over.

                    [–]CptUnderpants-Towel 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

                    Realistically, the winner of this poll will be the ones who have gone to the most effort to win, and it will not be representative of the actual people who participate in this subreddit. The mods should know this.

                    [–]dce42 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

                    Depending on your isp modem, you can do it as well.

                    [–]laserchasemanPirate 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

                    Idea: make a new post. have the first two comments being for DS content and against DC content. If you want to vote you have to reply to one comment you want to vote for. If the account is new (less then 1 week old) the vote does not count. If the account does not participate in r/starcitizen the vote does not count. The votes will not be anonymous but oh well and you would only count votes from active members.

                    [–]Raticus79 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

                    Have registered users make their own yea/nay posts under two main posts in the thread representing those options. Filter out accounts newer than the post date.

                    Karma would be easier, but banned users can vote.

                    Free and effective, but time consuming.

                    [–]Angry_PacifistFreelancer 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

                    this is a complete utter garbage poll and a third grader can manipulate it with countless proxy services. Look at the results how the NOs jumped up, this is ridiculous.

                    You want a secure way? THE OFFICIAL FORUM, backer accounts sending PMs: YES OR NO

                    [–]BoredDellTechnicianTrader 1ポイント2ポイント  (3子コメント)

                    The poll is still flawed, the "I don't know" should not be listed as a third option.

                    [–]Voroxpete 4ポイント5ポイント  (2子コメント)

                    Equivalent to "abstain". It lets them know what percentage of people viewing the poll did not agree strongly with either of the stated options.

                    [–]jbartus 0ポイント1ポイント  (1子コメント)

                    It's not the equivalent though. A better option would be "I am indifferent."

                    [–]Voroxpete 4ポイント5ポイント  (0子コメント)

                    Honestly, after how bad the previous poll was, I really don't see the point in arguing over minor details in wording. It's close enough. We're not calling a national referendum here or anything.

                    [–]driftdeep 0ポイント1ポイント  (2子コメント)

                    Hi Mods,

                    Can we have the poll on the forums so only people with packages can vote on this? The poll massively jumped up in favor of DS in a very short space of time. Although I normally don't like the forums this would at least guarantee that only legit Star Citizen supporters would be voting (due to the recent forum rules change) and not people spoofing their IP address which is all to easy to do.

                    [–]InertiamanSCHigh Admiral 3ポイント4ポイント  (1子コメント)

                    "In favour of DS". That's one way of looking at it.

                    Here. I made you your own poll.

                    http://strawpoll.me/5569224

                    [–]Oddzball 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

                    Hah... omg thats awesome. Thumbs up buddy.

                    [–]driftdeep 3ポイント4ポイント  (0子コメント)

                    Hi mods ... You know DS is using alts and minions etc to rig this. Please just ban him. It should be obvious that people are tired of being trolled.

                    [–]ValensiakolHelmet 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

                    Will the inevitable blog post by Derek Smart crooning about how the Star Citizen White Knights on Reddit have banned content written by and about him and how this just goes to show how we're blindly following Chris Roberts into utter failure be allowed to be posted here?

                    [–]TehrinFreelancer 2ポイント3ポイント  (9子コメント)

                    WOAH.. either 350 no's just all voted within 20 minutes.. or this poll just got bombarded by a bot.

                    Welp should have seen that coming, should have done a subscriber poll.

                    [–]qwintsRear Admiral[S] 0ポイント1ポイント  (1子コメント)

                    Do you know of a good/free way to do that?

                    [–]TehrinFreelancer 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

                    You'd have to post it in the RSI forums since their forums are behind a pay wall.

                    I can PM you any number of free online VPN tools that you could use right now and submit 200 votes either way. This is not the way to find out what the community wants, you will only find out which side has the more dedicated trolls.

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                      [–]Beazlebubba 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

                      YES!!! 1000Xs YES! Seeing his name is currently like getting a hemorrhoid if hemorrhoids could also be boring. I will be happier man if I never see the name Derek Smart again.

                      [–]AsmoTiC 2ポイント3ポイント  (3子コメント)

                      Yes votes aren't necessarily a "yes" for DS. For me, a yes vote is simply a NO to censorship.

                      Honestly, Reddit has tools in place for this already. Any DS posts, just downvote. Why start down the road of censorship?

                      [–]HycoCamMercenary 2ポイント3ポイント  (7子コメント)

                      Maybe rename this Sub Reddit to Star Citizen North Korea?

                      Folks seriously can not resist clicking on threads with DS? The weak minded need help to keep themselves from reading dissenting opinions? Seriously fucked up if the mods decide to remove DS related content--especially as it appears to be more and more based in truth.

                      [–]TehrinFreelancer 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

                      Something being based in truth, and being truthful are completely different things.

                      His latest post was based in truth to give it merit (yes James and Alyssa left) however, the rest of the post was nothing but lies and slander - meant to fit his agenda. DiscoLando has already denied the rumors from DS and basically said that yes they no longer work here, however it was not anywhere near remotely as bad as DS claims - nor were the circumstances behind their departure remotely related to the fabrication that DS has spewed forth from his twitter.

                      [–]Angry_PacifistFreelancer 2ポイント3ポイント  (5子コメント)

                      oh really, you think the imbecile troll is just voicing his "opinion". Way to downplay sociopathic behaviour. This guy and his minion are on a destruction derby here and it needs to be stopped once and for all.

                      [–]DawGia 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

                      Banning him from the Star Citizen Reddit will not stop him.

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                        [–]cidcaldensfey 2ポイント3ポイント  (1子コメント)

                        I want to see more Derek Smart threads because they are -really- funny to read. This kind of flame war is the stuff of the classical days of the internet. I love it. Who will win!? The innocent yet creative genius known as Chris Roberts or the army of evil attorneys wielded by Derek Smart!?

                        [–]FatDixInMyAss 2ポイント3ポイント  (1子コメント)

                        mods, yer stupid for even thinking this.

                        [–]Lethis11Towel 1ポイント2ポイント  (3子コメント)

                        Derek Smart Posts, Although very dissonant is still relevant to star citizen. I would hate to see this sub reddit lack freedom of speech.

                        If a DS Post is not liked, it will simply be downvoted. Let it like that. I too like to read DS Post, just for drama.

                        [–]foofadVice Admiral 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

                        You're free to speak. The mods are also free to delete it. There is no such thing as constitutionally protected speech on Reddit.

                        [–]rhadiemGrand Admiral 0ポイント1ポイント  (1子コメント)

                        People upvote DS stuff just for the drama

                        [–]n4th0s 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

                        There's a /r/ just for him already. Keep this sub clean from that stuff.

                        [–]The---BatmanHigh Admiral 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

                        Perhaps we should just make this sub private and invite only like Mr. Smart has done with his.. "game" on Reddit?

                        [–]EvoEpitaph 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

                        The only time I want to see DS's name in a post here is if he ACTUALLY DID SOMETHING DIRECTLY to CiG and CiG is ACTUALLY DOING SOMETHING DIRECTLY BACK.

                        I do not want to see his name otherwise. Not if he thinks he was the cause of something at CiG, not if he thinks he has something up his sleeve, etc.

                        [–]bw42g 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

                        Some crazy guy ranting about star citizen is still star citizen related. Why remove it? Starting a post just to talk shit about said person is not star citizen related and should be removed obv.

                        [–]rolfskiPlanetside 2 enthusiast 0ポイント1ポイント  (1子コメント)

                        The moment this gets implemented is the moment this reddit officially becomes a fanboi forum.

                        If I were an Administrator I would never ever consider going that way and make any censorship proposals that instantly devalues this subreddit as a place for open discussion.

                        Many people come to this forum to escape the extreme fanboism on the official forums. Hunting them away by becoming censor Nazis yourself is the stupidest thing to do. This poll shouldn't even exist, really. Not to mention this is against everything Reddit stands for.

                        [–]thedereksmart 3ポイント4ポイント  (44子コメント)

                        I have a question!

                        Can I vote? I wanted to ask first.

                        Also, the Citizens are over 700K strong now. How come the votes so far are only 1417? Did something happen?

                        Anyway, I know that most (LOL!! OK, all) of you don't like me, but that's irrelevant. It won't change the facts of what has happened to this game and the disaster that is now unfolding exactly as I've been predicting since July.

                        Anytime you guys want to meet in the middle and hash out a truce, I will be ready to discuss an amicable settlement of our differences. After all, we all wanted (it's never getting made. So stop being delusional about that) the BDSSE. Back in 2012.

                        Short of that, I am also prepared to accept your collective surrenders. Either one works for me. I'm not going anywhere.

                        [–]dczanikSpace Marshal 17ポイント18ポイント  (0子コメント)

                        Can you do an AMA on /r/dereksmart ? Like I want to ask why you refer to LoD as an MMO (massively multplayer online!), when in the last 6 months it has a peak of less than 5 people online on steam? I mean, I've fit more people into my car. I've hosted bigger games on my 486. The average is only like 2-3 people. You got a bump when you offered it for free, but apparently that wasn't enough to get people to stick around. Even then, it only averaged 6 people. http://steamcharts.com/app/266620#6

                        Asking you on twitter or any place else you're the administrator will just result in you banning me. I really want to know how you spent ~10-20 million on a game where reviewers can't get past the menu. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2Lw-cwIGuy0 or if they do, it crashes (and you ban them): https://youtu.be/t7n29gEV18w

                        [–]The---BatmanHigh Admiral 8ポイント9ポイント  (0子コメント)

                        If this was a contest of being pathetic, you sir, are my champion. God bless.

                        [–]Direwar 8ポイント9ポイント  (0子コメント)

                        Also, the Citizens are over 700K strong now. How come the votes so far are only 1417? Did something happen?

                        • This is an unofficial Reddit poll, the entire sub here is 55k with around 200-600 people reading actively. I'm assuming you're confusing Reddit with www.Robertsspaceindustries.com

                        Please try slightly harder to make some semblance of an attack.

                        [–]Oddzball 7ポイント8ポイント  (28子コメント)

                        Come on man, I'm trying to sort of be on your side here and say content you write related to SC shouldn't be banned and we should at least be allowed to discuss it... then you go and troll the very thread with the poll?

                        Even if I don't agree with everything you say, I still don't like the idea of banning our right to discuss it if it relates to star citizen.

                        [–]TehrinFreelancer 7ポイント8ポイント  (8子コメント)

                        After all, we all wanted (it's never getting made. So stop being delusional about that) the BDSSE.

                        This is what I was talking about...

                        He is not a critic, just a moron.

                        [–]Oddzball 2ポイント3ポイント  (7子コメント)

                        You know the funny thing. I actually agreed with him when he said that the game as its pitched NOW will probably never happen. Not that the game wont happen at all though. I'm sure it will in some regard. Even he cant say that SC will never happen at ALL with a straight face I think.

                        [–]TehrinFreelancer 4ポイント5ポイント  (1子コメント)

                        I find it super odd that drama around this game always happens at the same time.

                        tonight has been something

                        Though, let's be honest - none of this matters. What happens on this subreddit isn't going to affect the game, what happens to a few employees.. isn't going to affect the game. Travis Day was one of the best producers of a game I have ever had the pleasure of seeing - and as such, he got a job offer at Blizzard. His departure seemingly did nothing to the game.

                        If travis day can leave with no reprecussions, some marketing/community people aren't going to hurt the game.

                        [–]Oddzball 3ポイント4ポイント  (0子コメント)

                        Yeah. I'll miss Travis. But then again, he was kinda in charge of the FPS stuff, and maybe it needed a change since it was stagnent and not moving at the pace Chris wanted anyway. If anything I think moving Erin over and making him in charge has been a big factor in all the stuff we are finally seeing get going. I have pretty high confidence in Erins ability after seeing how foundry 42 was getting along.

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                            [–]qwintsRear Admiral[S,M] 6ポイント7ポイント  (2子コメント)

                            Can I vote?

                            Yes

                            How come the votes so far are only 1417?

                            This subreddit is only a subset of players.

                            [–]aatomix 7ポイント8ポイント  (0子コメント)

                            This game seems to be doing fine, your games are another story though...

                            [–]InertiamanSCHigh Admiral 5ポイント6ポイント  (0子コメント)

                            Because very few people even give enough of a fuck about you to hate you Derek. Most of the world doesn't know or care that you exist.

                            [–]n_smartass 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

                            No.

                            No.

                            Yeah, right.

                            Not a chance.

                            Go to bed, you're drunk.

                            [–]Godmode_EnabledBounty Hunter 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

                            Reddit/ DSmart PM me your terms so I can create a mutually beneficial agreement and run it past legal.

                            [–]mckettenSpace-Viking 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

                            You know, just because I don't like you - well, your online attitude at least, I don't know you so I can't really say that - doesn't mean I think we should prevent your views on Star Citizen from being put on display here.

                            So, while I disagree with your overall opinion and standpoint on the game and it's future, I do agree we are doing nobody any favors by simply censoring such views.

                            [–]KingNewbsPathfinder 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

                            Truce? As in, it's you versus the subreddit? I don't know how many folks here care enough about you to feel like we need to lay down arms or anything... It's just, kinda lame how you're using and misconstruing our enthusiasm as a way to get attention for yourself.

                            I don't think anyone wants to ban you, just the endless looping discussions about you. It's pretty weird that you've positioned yourself at the other side of the Star Citizen teeter-totter, but I think we can respect your desire to protect us from ourselves... Misguided and self-serving as it apparently is.

                            But even you, I suspect, can talk about stuff that isn't related to you personally. So vote your conscience!

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                              [–]ares_god_not_signRear Admiral 2ポイント3ポイント  (4子コメント)

                              If this poll passes and Derek Smart content is banned, people who wish to see those threads interspersed with /r/starcitizen posts can go to https://www.reddit.com/r/starcitizen+DerekSmart/. There's also potential for making a metareddit that combines all the quasi-related Star Citizen content into one page, like including /r/spacesims (or whatever subreddit we'd use for talking about other, similar games) and /r/cigreport.

                              Edit: adding metareddit idea

                              [–]TehrinFreelancer 4ポイント5ポイント  (0子コメント)

                              They could also just pull up the man's twitter feed, he only updates once every 3 minutes.

                              [–]Direwar 1ポイント2ポイント  (2子コメント)

                              Cool, didn't know you could do that with multiple subs.

                              I thought my sub should of been added (seeing as how at least 1 mod here also dislikes how the RSI forums are run) to the sidebar here. I asked after they mentioned RSI forum issues, however no response (yes or no) for some reason.

                              I just don't want questionable/selective censorship in the actual game; I'm assuming people look at that sub and probably just think it's random SC-hate. I only made it for the exact opposite reason and due to previous experiences with (out of game) politics having direct in-game consequences.

                              [–]ares_god_not_signRear Admiral 2ポイント3ポイント  (1子コメント)

                              I agree with you that /r/cigreport should be added as a sister subreddit, so that people who want to talk forum drama have a place other than here to go. But the title does have anti-CIG connotations, like how /r/AgainstGamerGate wants to be the forum to respectfully hear both sides of the debate but it's a shithole because people just assume it's against gamer gate.

                              [–]Direwar 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

                              I wouldn't mind it being used (even anonymously) by mods/CIG themselves. Like maybe after release someone at CIG notices a co-worker doing something nefarious and is afraid to openly report it. That person could easily report it to some place like there and it would not get buried/censored. The official forums/mods don't usually allow political disputes, regardless. The Wingman incident, for example, had several closed threads and that happened publicly for the most part. It's for reporting in-general, just I'm biased at posting what I personally dislike, hence why it needs more visibility and people other than myself posting. Every popular game (or company really) needs an unofficial whistle-blower type forum, IMO.

                              I'm derailing this thread though, but thanks for pointing that info out.

                              [–]DGWilliams 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

                              I believe we, as a community, need to stay informed of his activities as they relate to CIG for two reasons: To be able to provide an informed response to specific queries about who he is and his allegations against CIG. And second, to provide newcomers with current and accurate information about this situation as they arrive on the sub.

                              That said, we do not need more than one active thread on this topic at any given time.

                              [–]packagegrope 1ポイント2ポイント  (1子コメント)

                              sad to see that 'yes' is losing. so fucking tired of seeing this dude's name and drama on this sub.

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                                [–]Oddzball 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                Vote keeps swinging back and forth, gonna be close looks like. i have no doubt all the folks who whined to get this implemented in the first place are vote brigading the shit out of it but, what can ya do?

                                [–]Oddzball 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                Vote got hacked/vote brigaded, pretty much over at this point. I checked like an hour ago and it was almost dead even, now its like +350 votes in favor of banning. Yeah...

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                                  [–]Kant_LavarVice Admiral 1ポイント2ポイント  (2子コメント)

                                  I don't think banning everything Smart-related is the right thing to do. I could see a weekly/monthly megathread/katamari to contain it all, and to allow the mods to keep a closer eye on the content there to ensure it doesn't devolve into a simple "we hate this guy" circlejerk.

                                  The plain and simple fact of the matter is that I think this while situation could end up impacting Star Citizen in some manner, and for folks like me that rely on this sub as our primary aggregate source of Star Citizen news banning content on Smart as it relates to SC and his campaign against it and deconstruction of same seems an overreaction. Containing it in a single megathread seems the best compromise solution, IMHO.

                                  [–]MrHerpDerp 3ポイント4ポイント  (1子コメント)

                                  Unstickied megathreads just get buried and create more posts on a topic than usual, because people think they have relevant or interesting points that simply must be heard, and think commenting in a thread with more than one hundred replies is just not good enough for them.

                                  Stickied megathreads do fine, but who the fuck wants a stickied DS megathread?

                                  [–]HOTAS_9000Pirate 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                  Thank you.

                                  [–]Agent_Mothman 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                  voted

                                  [–]Combat_WombatzFeck Off Breh 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                  Begun the vote war has.

                                  [–]ZeroSigmaBounty Hunter 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                  Great. Thank you for the update /u/Dolvak.

                                  [–]Angry_PacifistFreelancer 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                  is the Pope catholic?

                                  is Smedrik Dark a troll?

                                  [–]GateSharkGolden Ticket 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                  Yes, remove the posts.

                                  [–]chrismindless 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                  I can't agree more. The less press this jackpot gets the better.

                                  [–]NiwatiXGrand Admiral 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                  wayyyyy better poll this time /u/qwints ! Good job :)

                                  [–]avery73Space Marshal 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                  Damnatio memoriae...

                                  [–]ilovecreamsodaRear Admiral 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                  I retract my no vote and no longer care. there is now /r/ShitDerekSmartSays to catalogue all of his idiocy.

                                  [–]Karazantor 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                  Voted, yes, though to be honest, that DS character is so toxic that even the mention of its name causes drama. Should just ban any references completely.

                                  [–]Cyberwolf74 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                  I vote YES, keep the deranged ramblings off the site, keep anything that's actually relevant.

                                  [–]anaryl 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                  Keep him only able to comment but ban his submisions

                                  he should be able to be trolled still.

                                  [–]Piccio7Cartographer 0ポイント1ポイント  (3子コメント)

                                  Just saying, about now the "no" vote are piling up by strokes of 5-6 vote every 10-15s.....................

                                  It has gone like this in the last 10 minutes.

                                  [–]Oddzball 3ポイント4ポイント  (2子コメント)

                                  Yeah and so was the yes vote last night, it went up over 350 votes in less then an hour. Like watching a clock tick. The poll is pretty much shit now. Dolvak even said as much that he knows the "goons" were spamming/botting the poll and Im pretty sure others are by the looks of it.

                                  This is why I said, a real poll cannot be VOLUNTARY, because then people can vote brigade and/or manipulate it. A real poll has to randomly sample the population, so you have no idea if you'll even get to vote, or who else will. Hence its a true sample instead of one side or the other stacking it.

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