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[–]Eggfibre 862ポイント863ポイント  (194子コメント)

Thats not about race though. It's a cultural thing based on socio-economic position. Black people are more likely to be in such a position due to historical factors but to say you dislike black people because of this one situation discredits a massive and diverse group of people. Racism isn't 'grown up', it just shows a poor understanding of the world.

edit: Ta for the gild.

[–]michael1026 1203ポイント1204ポイント  (53子コメント)

Black people

Aha! He never said she was black! Who's the racist now?

[–]oneinchterror 345ポイント346ポイント  (4子コメント)

got em

[–]particle409 51ポイント52ポイント  (0子コメント)

Book 'em, Danno. One count of aggravated racism on the internet. Sentence: a bunch of upvotes.

[–]Forgototherpassword 5ポイント6ポイント  (0子コメント)

This "gotcha 'journalism'"

[–]Swichts 3ポイント4ポイント  (0子コメント)

Bro, does someone need their privilege checked??

[–]DonkeyKong92 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

REKT

[–]ItsPillsbury 31ポイント32ポイント  (2子コメント)

Caught em

[–]Granny_Weatherwax 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

Still you guys. The topic is someone saying "Now I'm racist" followed by a bunch of dog whistles. Context clue reading is not racist. Oh Reddit.

[–]betafish2345 7ポイント8ポイント  (1子コメント)

Who said anything about he you male privileged heathen?

[–]slipperydevil666 2ポイント3ポイント  (1子コメント)

Damn am I racist now? I imagined she was black too

[–]OutragedOwl 4ポイント5ポイント  (0子コメント)

No it shows that your aware of the stereotypes associated with Black people. For example, if I were to describe someone as a laundromat owning, rice eating, poor driver who's son is in Math league, because you think of an Asian person doesn't mean you are personally racist, it just means you are aware of common stereotypes associated with Asian people.

[–]nickodd -4ポイント-3ポイント  (13子コメント)

White people often feel more comfortable describing someone as "ghetto" than they do calling them black. Honestly this whole thread makes me wanna slap someone. Growing up means acknowledging your own racism and then actively fighting against it.

[–]T3hSwagman 17ポイント18ポイント  (1子コメント)

But the OP didnt call the person ghetto, he said "a woman from the ghetto". Which can be anybody. Poverty knows no race. Yall mothefuckers are racist as shit.

[–]TooGhetto -2ポイント-1ポイント  (0子コメント)

In fact ghetto just means a large group of 1 ethnicity that lives in one place, so this discredits OP even more

[–]michaelfarker 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

Ghetto is a description of a culture in this context. I spent several years of my childhood in the ghetto. A lot of people do that are not black. There is still a recognizable look and verbal style when you are from the ghetto, unless you somehow make a better way.

And yes, being ghetto is not a path to security, a stable home, and happiness for most people. We have to be able to say that without it being judged racist.

[–]Wildcat7878 -1ポイント0ポイント  (0子コメント)

Wouldn't ghetto be the more accurate description though? It's a set of behaviors common among the poor, not black people.

[–]iamyo -1ポイント0ポイント  (0子コメント)

I think the people immediately above are saying 'don't be racist' not 'I've never had a racist thought'.

[–]bigpoopa 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

Yeah fuck that...person

[–]Trenkos 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

This right here embodies everything wrong with talking about race today. When /u/ornothumper gives his story, /u/Eggfibre immediately jumps to the conclusion that this is about blacks and that he isn't grown up. The fact is those stereotypes exist for a reason. To apply them to all people of a specific race is wrong but to say they don't exist is just as ignorant.

[–]_Particle_Man 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

F

[–]Rschwen 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

Yea and this guy is racist and he also thinks he's saying something revolutionary when it's something really well known and obviously people are joking

[–]Emperor_Nihilist 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

So my wife is painting and I'm reading this thread Outloud to her since I was laughing. A couple minutes later she frustratingly says "ugh, "black and white are never good next to each other".

She says she meant the paints.

[–]k3nnyd -1ポイント0ポイント  (0子コメント)

You just gotta learn white people speak. "From the ghetto" implies black!

[–]cIumsythumbs 96ポイント97ポイント  (20子コメント)

It's a cultural thing based on socio-economic position. Black people are more likely to be in such a position due to historical factors

It bothers me that this is often ignored when discussing problems within 'the black community'. Most of the problems, like access to a good education and therefore higher paying jobs, are poor people problems, not limited to blacks. Try being a poor white kid applying for college scholarships, too bad, you're not a repressed minority.

This isnt saying that being black doesnt have its own challenges. Just that many 'black issues' are poor problems mis-labeled.

[–]michaelnoir 20ポイント21ポイント  (1子コメント)

This is why I think that most "race issues" in America are really class issues. Having relatively darker skin there marks you out as a probable member of the underclass, therefore cops are more suspicious of you, more likely to pull you over, and so on. I don't think that most cops are just racist thugs. I think they're reacting to a stereotype, that goes black= poor= involved in crime.

I'm not saying this stereotype is right, but I do think that's how the police think.

[–]Fozee 3ポイント4ポイント  (0子コメント)

They absolutely are class issues, but do you think the media is going to mention socioeconomic class? Hell no. That's how you get people to start working toward change.

[–]MexicanGolf 1ポイント2ポイント  (2子コメント)

On the individual level this is a fantastic argument but if you're look at society as a whole it looks a bit more like this:

The US Census declared that in 2010 15.1% of the general population lived in poverty:

9.9% of all white persons

12.1% of all Asian persons

26.6% of all Hispanic persons (of any race)

28.4% of all black persons.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Poverty_in_the_United_States. Wikipedia lists this as a source: http://www.census.gov/newsroom/releases/archives/income_wealth/cb11-157.html

What this means is a bit complicated and hard to tackle in a singular post, but the general idea is that things like the oh-so-hated Affirmative Action isn't pushed for individual fairness and advancement, but with the eventual hope to un-fuck society.

Those numbers also tie in to the "It's not racist, it's true!" sentiment in threads like this. That's a problematic mentality and the worst part is that you can't really fault people for coming to the easy conclusion (i.e. racism, slight or otherwise) and you just have to bloody hope their limited opinions won't affect them, and others in their lives, too much.

[–]ApprovalNet 0ポイント1ポイント  (1子コメント)

Is there any reason that we should expect those percentages to be equal amongst all races? Also, I think the argument is that if programs like affirmative action were based solely on class instead of race, then you can bring those numbers down for everybody.

[–]MexicanGolf 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

Is there any reason that we should expect those percentages to be equal amongst all races?

I think the better question here is why we shouldn't. There's no "good" reason there should be any large differences in poverty statistics.

Also, I think the argument is that if programs like affirmative action were based solely on class instead of race, then you can bring those numbers down for everybody.

True enough, but you can't. All Affirmative Action attempts to do is to match the ratio of people admitted to their actual demographic. If there's 14% Black People and 66% White people with 20% Asian/Hispanic/Other, then Affirmative Action attempts to see those figures hold through even at a place like a university or collage.

As for methods that deal solely with poverty I can't really say. If you argue that racism and perception can keep demographics in poverty then you'll get most bang for your buck by helping out the demographics that are most at risk, especially in the US since they're literally minorities. By pure numbers alone there are more poor whites than poor black, for example.

[–]TheIronGoat 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

Try being a poor white kid applying for college scholarships, too bad, you're not a repressed minority.

I was a poor white kid who ended up on a full scholarship because I was a first generation college student from my family. There is a LOT of money for white kids out there.

[–]followthebutterflies -4ポイント-3ポイント  (6子コメント)

A black persons issues are also poor people issues, with the added issue of their skin... Which a white person literally never has to worry about.

As for colleges and scholarships, a poor black kid and a poor white kid applying for the same scholarship still leave odds in the favor of the white person getting the money.

[–]camelCaseCoding 3ポイント4ポイント  (5子コメント)

As for colleges and scholarships, a poor black kid and a poor white kid applying for the same scholarship still leave odds in the favor of the white person getting the money.

Show me that source. You don't get a scholorship just for being white. There are multiple of scholarships for being black.

Now days, between a middle class white kid and a lower class black kid, the black kid has a much better standing of not having crippling debt after college. Paying for college is the hardest for the middle class white kids because FAFSA saying your parents make too much, while your parents are in debt themselves. After that, scholarships and grants are hard to come by.

[–]followthebutterflies 2ポイント3ポイント  (1子コメント)

Hey I love sources. You sound like me! I'm glad you asked. Check this one out: http://www.finaid.org/scholarships/20110902racescholarships.pdf

Specifically that a white person has "40% more likely to win private scholarships than minority"

I do understand that no one is truly receiving aid specifically due to race anymore, but that doesn't mean that the factors associated with race aren't still apparent... Eg, lack of transgenerational wealth and support, decent public schools that encourage education and aren't just burned out instructions attempting to receive a paycheck and prevent other low income violence.

I have so much more to say on it but I am on my phone and out and about. Please post your response to the study though!

[–]camelCaseCoding 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

I do understand that no one is truly receiving aid specifically due to race anymore

There are scholarships that you can only apply to if black. That's not just factors associated with it.

[–]teefour 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

My alma mater also specifically goes out of their way to get minority students to attend, which can be difficult seeing as it's out in the middle of farm land where kids who grew up in the city don't usually want to go. I get emails from them every September bragging about how many not-white kids they got to attend. This year is 40%. So clearly if you're an inter city youth from an underprivileged racial group who wants a full boat scholarship, apply to Hampshire College. You'll have a much better shot of getting in.

[–]Threeedaaawwwg -1ポイント0ポイント  (1子コメント)

I know that this goes against popular opinion, but white students in the US generally receive more privately funded scholarships than all other ethnic minorities combined. Additionally, I'd like to add something that one of my professors from undergrad explained to our class about the myth that white students always have to pay out of pocket for college, while minorities always get a free ride. Financial aid is the sole determining factor in federally funded scholarships. Minority students are more likely to be economically disadvantaged than white students, and therefore are more likely to receive federal financial aid. However, this does not mean that white students can't receive financial aid. If a student is from a low income family, they will receive federal funding, regardless of their ethnicity. One of the main reasons that white students feel that they are disadvantaged in getting a scholarship is because they are white, when in reality, it's most likely because of their family income level. White students in college are for the most part middle or upper class, and therefore do not qualify for a lot of scholarships.

Private scholarships for minorities exist, however, white students still receive these scholarships more often than all other minorities combined. The bottom line is yes, it sucks to see "you must be ____ ethnicity to apply" in the qualifications on a scholarship, but those scholarships are in a minority of themselves.

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Edit: There are many of you messaging me saying that whites make up the majority of the student population, so it's only natural that they would receive the majority of private scholarship funding. This is true, but the article did account for this. Here's an excerpt that might clarify things: >While there are very few private scholarships that are explicitly restricted to Caucasian students, Caucasian students receive a disproportionately greater share of private scholarship funding. Caucasian students represent 69.3% of private scholarship recipients but only 61.8% of the undergraduate student population. This is in contrast with minority students, who represent 30.5% of scholarship recipients and 38.0% of the undergraduate student population. Caucasian students are 40% more likely to win private scholarships than minority students.

[–]puffykilled2pac -1ポイント0ポイント  (3子コメント)

There is a lot of evidence that there are genetic factors as well. It's not politically correct to say, but whenever they do racial intelligence tests, no matter who the group is or what controlling factors they use, the results are usually the same. Races have the same intelligence differences no matter where they live or what their socioeconomic status is. While I agree that it's unethical to use this information to discriminate, it's also pretty foolish to pretend it doesn't exist because it does not fit into our cultural ideals.

[–]SenorSalsa 0ポイント1ポイント  (2子コメント)

I believe you, but I still want sources so that you and I don't look like assholes for blindly believeing something posted on the internet.

[–]puffykilled2pac 0ポイント1ポイント  (1子コメント)

Off the top of my head you can check out the book "The Bell Curve". There was also a study done on South African college students, both black and white, but don't remember the group that did it. Also was a study done in America by a liberal group that accounted for socioeconomic status. I'm sorry I'm not home and able to find this stuff for you. They all have their different reasoning for the results but the results are virtually all the same.

[–]SenorSalsa 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

It's okay, just more for your sake making a claim like this without aources is a sure fire way to get the pitchforks rolling out.

[–]iamyo -2ポイント-1ポイント  (0子コメント)

I think you are missing the point.

[–]K3wp -1ポイント0ポイント  (0子コメント)

Try being a poor white kid applying for college scholarships, too bad, you're not a repressed minority.

Well, yeah. It's also socially acceptable to make fun of "white trash".

[–]FrostyXylophone 57ポイント58ポイント  (12子コメント)

I try to explain this concept to my grandma all the time with the hope that people don't think she's a racist. She's had a lot of bad experiences with people who happen to be black, but really it's because they are the "thug" type that she dislikes them.

[–]Dan_Softcastle 124ポイント125ポイント  (9子コメント)

I hate thug white people and thug black people. It's not a race thing, it's a thug thing.

[–]FrostyXylophone 3ポイント4ポイント  (0子コメント)

I agree completely!

[–]BigDaddyW 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

It ain't nothin but a G thang baaabay

[–]6F6A9O9 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

Thug Life baby

[–]FratricideV2 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

Hear hear!

[–]bgizz1e 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

The thug life chose you

[–]havoc3d 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

I describe it as a "culture of ignorance" thing.

[–]literallywyverns 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

You thugist /s

[–]SirToastymuffin -1ポイント0ポイント  (0子コメント)

In fact I probably hate thug white people more.

[–]TooterMcgavin716 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

My grandfather who recently passed was super racist. But it was because he fought in Korea and said it was because the black soldiers would always go to sleep or duck around on their turns to guard and get people killed. He held the grudge for a long time.

[–]TerraAdAstra 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

My mother is openly classist and will get very offended when you imply that she is racist. But I think she genuinely knows the difference.

[–]Doctursea 5ポイント6ポイント  (0子コメント)

You need to realistically split it down the middle. Black people in your area will be very similar, but please do not associate it will every black person you see. Also Eggfibre is right, somethings aren't actually black people things but poor people things that a lot of black people happen to fall into.

You're not being realistic if you confirm 1 stereotype and assume the rest on everyone like that. You are being realistic if you confirm 1 stereotype on that person assume that person and the people they're around are like that.

[–]bradsh 15ポイント16ポイント  (3子コメント)

The race really doesn't matter, it has no effect at all. When you deal with poor people a lot, you realize this. It has everything to do with level of education.

[–]mahermiac 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

Absolutely. I live in a white area and work in a black area. Whether I go to my local Wal-Mart or stop at Wal-Mart after work, I'm going to see the behaviors that I'm sure OP is describing. That's just what you deal with living in a generally poor area.

[–]pandaSmore -5ポイント-4ポイント  (0子コメント)

So is it wrong to hate on stupid people who act like this then.

[–]2Cor517 25ポイント26ポイント  (33子コメント)

I don't think it is historical factors but a cultural one where blacks are ostracized for not being thug. Asians had a lot of persecution as well and they are better off than whites

[–]structuralbiology 5ポイント6ポイント  (0子コメント)

Asians have higher median incomes, but the mean isn't so high due to top-heavy income distribution of successful whites. Additionally, their median non-household wealth is much lower than Whites, about 30k to 120k. It's because they're relatively new immigrants is all.

[–]ANAL_DYNOMITE 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

yes it is historical. You cannot ignore the existence of Jim Crow laws in the United States.

[–]WumboJumbo 4ポイント5ポイント  (0子コメント)

No, we're not. We're also not a monolithic entity. Immigrant populations from Vietnam, Laos, etc are all suffering and have the highest share of Asians below the poverty line. Just because 4th gen Chinese and Taiwanese are doing well doesn't mean we are.

As with all things time (and steady wealth accumulation) is a very strong factor in establishing success in America. For many of us we simply haven't been here long enough or been in a good enough situation.

Playing the "why can't blacks perform as well as model minorities" card is bad for both. Fuck a model minority.

[–]snakeronix 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

Whoa whoa whoa where did you get that idea that Asians are better off than whites? Did I miss the memo?

[–]Eggfibre -3ポイント-2ポイント  (21子コメント)

It's a historical factor in that blacks in America have been kept in relative poverty with poor opportunities in education and work compared to whites in particular. Asians haven't faced nearly the same difficulties in the US.

[–]phrostbyt 8ポイント9ポイント  (20子コメント)

Tell that to the Chinese in the twenties. Japanese In the fifties. Koreans in the seventies. Etc

[–]Philoso4 5ポイント6ポイント  (5子コメント)

Chinese in the 20s, Japanese in the fifties, Koreans in the 70s, blacks from before 1776 through at least the 1960s...you know, etc

[–]poopghetti 1ポイント2ポイント  (2子コメント)

The fact that you can name the ethnic/cultural groups of different Asian people yet slaves brought from several regions of Africa have had their cultural identities entirely to the point where they can only be described as "black" says everything really.

Yes, Asians have been discriminated against, but anyone who thinks Asians have experienced anything comparable to African Americans is either delusional or ignorant of history.

[–]Philoso4 0ポイント1ポイント  (1子コメント)

I think you meant to reply to the person I was replying to, but have an upvote

[–]phrostbyt 0ポイント1ポイント  (1子コメント)

Just because one is true doesn't make the other false

[–]Philoso4 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

Do you understand the difference between a ten year period of oppression that targets a single generation of immigrants who chose to enter our country and a two hundred year system of bondage that includes as many as fifteen generations?

[–]poopghetti -2ポイント-1ポイント  (0子コメント)

The fact that you can name the ethnic/cultural groups of different Asian people yet slaves brought from several regions of Africa have had their cultural identities entirely to the point where they can only be described as "black" says everything really. Yes, Asians have been discriminated against, but anyone who thinks Asians have experienced anything comparable to African Americans is either delusional or ignorant of history.

[–]TManFreeman 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

I wouldn't say better off than whites, but I would hold up Asians as proof that you can "Pull yourself up by your bootstraps" to some degree.

Fundamentally the way I see it is: Yes, white people brought black people here and held them to different standards for centuries. It is the fault of the white population of the time. However: White people will NEVER "fix" the black community's problems. Firstly because one population cannot fix another population's cultural issues even if they caused them and secondly because you'll never make one population care that much about things that don't directly affect them. That's just completely contrary to human nature.

[–]pioneer2 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

A lot of that is due to new, wealthier, asians coming over, not due to the existing asians that, say, built the railroads, and whatnot. Most of the smarter asians that I hang out with usually are in the same boat as me, aka second-generation Asians that come have successful and professional parents that were able to emigrate. I don't think anyone in my group is different from me in that regard.

[–]elljaysa -5ポイント-4ポイント  (2子コメント)

Shhh, this doesn't fit the libtard "whites are bad" agenda...

[–]fuckyoubarry 18ポイント19ポイント  (19子コメント)

Yeah but I have literally never had a black man approach me in public and start a conversation that didn't end with him asking me for money. It's pretty difficult to ignore those experiences next time a black guy tries to start a conversation with me, and I feel like that makes me a bad person. I try to be all open minded and all that, but every time a black guy starts talking to me I'm like oh shit, here we go. Do I ignore him, immediately shoot him down, listen to his spiel, or what. And maybe that shows a poor understanding of the world on my part, but I'm batting 1000 so far.

[–]OldFashionedLoverBoi 5ポイント6ポイント  (1子コメント)

Well, okay, but I've never had any complete stranger cone up to me where they didn't try to talk me into money or god

[–]fuckyoubarry -1ポイント0ポイント  (0子コメント)

I've had people try to get me to register to vote, sign their petition, try their free sample, all kinds of shit. I've had guys and girls hit on me, I've had people start talking to me because they were bored and just wanted to talk.

[–]poopghetti 4ポイント5ポイント  (1子コメント)

I live in a black majority area and I rarely get approached by black men asking for money (relative to my countless other interactions with black men). Where do you live? That's kind of a weird anecdote to base your opinion of black people on.

[–]fuckyoubarry 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

A transitioning area in a fairly segregated midwestern city. By my house isn't that bad, but I've been hassled going to local stores. I'd love to live somewhere that getting asked for money is a freak rare occurrence but rent was cheap.

[–]Bombkirby 2ポイント3ポイント  (1子コメント)

Where do you live where people walk up to you and have an entire conversation about giving them money?

[–]fuckyoubarry 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

First they get your attention, look for a response, talk a sentence or two, ask for cash, you say no, they say just a little bit, anything helps, maybe follow you for a couple steps, get all dejected and offended that you won't give them some of the money you worked for. How do they do it where you're from?

[–]rthomas6 16ポイント17ポイント  (2子コメント)

All that shows is that more black people are homeless/poor/addicts.

[–]Eibleu 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

You really have had no interactions in public with a black person that did not end up with you being asked for money? Really?? I can't imagine where you are that that could possibly be the case.

[–]northuprising 0ポイント1ポイント  (1子コメント)

Does batting 1000, mean 1000 black people have approached you in public and every single one of them asked you for money? Are you Bill Gates?

[–]fuckyoubarry 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

It's a baseball reference, it means 100%.

[–]CHICKENFRY007 1ポイント2ポイント  (1子コメント)

It's more about being a responsible human being. Having 6 kids doesn't help her socioeconomic position at all.

[–]Kamaria 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

Why do you think she had 6 kids in the first place? It had nothing to do with her upbringing?

I don't intend to excuse bad choices, but people who are poorly educated or grow up in bad places are probably going to have their future behavior negatively affected by it. It's a problem that reinforces itself with each generation.

[–]IanPatrick1966 1ポイント2ポイント  (5子コメント)

Where was the color mentioned???

[–]Eggfibre -4ポイント-3ポイント  (4子コメント)

It was heavily implied by the context of the thread and the fact that black people are far more likely to live in ghettos than any other race. If it was an asian person in the next bed then OPs wife wouldn't have the 'realisation' that she was racist as there isn't a large community of Asians in ghettos to be racist against and form a stereotype around.

[–]IanPatrick1966 1ポイント2ポイント  (3子コメント)

Does your bicycle have a reverse gear because you're sure backpedalling

[–]Eggfibre -3ポイント-2ポイント  (2子コメント)

How stupid do you have to be to not see that the implication was of a black woman in the next hospital bed? This shouldn't be that difficult, and people are just using it to attack me, rather than actually debate my argument.

[–]IanPatrick1966 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

Wow that level of anger, you really have all the racist/bigot personality traits covered.

Let me guess, you're big into either Donald Trump or Rand Paul?

[–]ThirtyThirtyWin 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

rather than actually debate my argument.

Nobody wants to engage with you because you're just being a hypocritical, racist twat. Why would any of us engage in "debate" with you? That would just subject us to spending more time with you in our lives. That's the opposite of what everybody wants.

[–]Tounge_hair 3ポイント4ポイント  (4子コメント)

Black people are in that position because fathers rarely stick around, they like being victims, and they use welfare as a lifestyle choice instead of a safety net. The truth isn't pretty but, unfortunately, it's the truth.

[–]grossgoose 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

This is pure, unadulterated racism.

[–]OccamsRaiser 0ポイント1ポイント  (2子コメント)

...how on earth do you have upvotes?

[–]WakingMusic[🍰] 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

We're all making gross generalizations now, so they must not racist. Right? Right?

But in all seriousness I hope this person realizes just how absurd their comment is.

"Black people are in that position because [black] fathers rarely stick around [and] like being victims [while using] welfare as a lifestyle choice instead of a safety net".

So the majority of black fathers abandon their children and live off of welfare? That is surprising. I would question it, but, after all, "it's the truth".

The last sentence summarizes their perspective perfectly. "The truth isn't pretty but, unfortunately, it's the truth." I may sound racist, but it's true that all black people like being victims. It's just the PC police that say otherwise.

[–]iamyo 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

It's reddit.

[–]notn 2ポイント3ポイント  (13子コメント)

you mean it's due to poor life choices and bad parenting. History has nothing to do with it. your buying into a bullshit narrative that tries to excuse poor life choices.

[–]mattmacneil 1ポイント2ポイント  (1子コメント)

History has nothing to do with it?? Do you really think that several hundred years of dehumanizing torture would leave no residual effects and just wash away with the last generation to experience it first-hand?

[–]notn -1ポイント0ポイント  (0子コメント)

look you can choose to make that a narrative in your life or you can choose to let it go, I'm from Irish decent I can choose to wallow in the fact that My ancestors were used a slave long before Blacks were and for much longer or I can move on. I choose to move on.

[–]betomorrow 1ポイント2ポイント  (3子コメント)

Yeah, because black Americans were never placed in low income developments with a lack of infrastructure and job opportunities, by the government. Black americans were never actively driven away from white communities that also happened to have better funded school districts. The cause is never the reason.

[–]notn 0ポイント1ポイント  (2子コメント)

yes in previous generations that is absolutely true that they were driven away from some places. And I will give say mental health is a serious problem that will affect someones chances at success (drugs addiction is not a mental health issue). It is true that in the past they were not given jobs becuase of the colour of skin. now they are not given jobs becuase the CHOOSE to be a thug, they CHOOSE to smoke crack or have multiple children, they CHOOSE to skip school rather than staying amd getting grade 12 or parents CHOOSE to neglect their children and drink 40's rather than looking for work,

there are thing in the world that can affect a persons success that is beyond their control but color of skin is not one of them.

guess what, they are poor people of every colour of skin andthey all got the

[–]betomorrow 0ポイント1ポイント  (1子コメント)

now they are not given jobs becuase the CHOOSE to be a thug, they CHOOSE to smoke crack or have multiple children, they CHOOSE to skip school rather than staying amd getting grade 12 or parents CHOOSE to neglect their children and drink 40's rather than looking for work

"They". Who is they? Definitively? What are the exact attributes that constitute "they" in your mind? You made this easy. Racism is a battle you have to face against yourself, not towards the people you are racist against. Have a wonderful day! :)

[–]notn -2ポイント-1ポイント  (0子コメント)

rofl, take another hit from the bong in your mom's basement

[–]iamyo 0ポイント1ポイント  (3子コメント)

People who are poor are not poor by choice.

[–]notn 0ポイント1ポイント  (2子コメント)

being poor is not related to skin colour

[–]iamyo 0ポイント1ポイント  (1子コメント)

If you see people who are from poor communities with poor education and they cannot socially advance are you really saying it has to do with poor life choices?

Do people not understand that the kind of experiences/education one has in childhood is a major factor in a person's future?

[–]notn 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

I agree that education is a big factor and there are not very many advantages to getting cheap education but there is night school, there are community college there are a lot of career choices that require certificates not degree.

are you going to move from the streets to the penthouse? probably not but you might get to an apartment in a better neighborhood so your kids have more opportunity and they might be able to get into a house etc...

getting out of the poorhouse typically is a multi generation event.

[–]Eggfibre -1ポイント0ポイント  (2子コメント)

You're a fucking idiot. Blacks have faced discrimination for centuries in the US, and are you seriously suggesting that this hasn't had an effect on the community as a whole's ability to advance themselves socio-economically to the point of other races?

[–]notn 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

for your argument to be true all black people would be poor. but they are not. aat some point one generation decided that they would not fall into the poor choice pitfalls and would strive to make better choices and to sacrifice for the future, discrimination has nothing to do with it.

your the idiot but you have a choice, you can wake the fuck up and use critical thinking.

or you can go back to being an idiot

[–]Kamaria 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

This. If you're forced to grow up in a poor environment, regardless of your skin color, you're going to be affected by it. The problem is generational.

[–]jonojack 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

Indeed, this is why I hate the term 'white trash', as it implies that trash usually comes in black.

[–]lasercat_pow 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

Truth! Read some articles on theatlantic, people.

[–]Cloudy_mood 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

Why they gotta be black?

[–]CodnmeDuchess 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

Precisely. Noting a person's behavior and somehow attributing to the color if their skin is indeed racism

[–]BrosenkranzKeef 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

/u/ornothumper never said the person was black, merely that they were from the ghetto. So who is the racist, them, or you, assuming a person from the ghetto must be black?

I'm aware of many historical factors but you did indeed jump to a conclusion. And you did say "dislike black people because of this one situation" so you can't say you were referring to a hypothetical.

[–]JasonHanson 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

What about talking in movie theatres?

[–]ryan924 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

I was waiting for an adult to show up in this thread.

[–]Ketherah 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

M'socioeconomic factors

[–]princeanus 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

Sure to some extent, but it is undeniable that different races have and will produce different cultures

[–]BJUmholtz 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

Completely agree. I too also believe women are not in control of their own uteri and continue to pump babies out due to their socio-economic position rather than take responsibility for their own actions.

[–]CrocodileDilemma 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

You racist son-of-a-bitch!

[–]doyleredlandxx 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

Regardless if its not blatantly about race, it's still co-mingled with that socio-economic position. I think that's what most people are talking about.

[–]80Eight 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

Then how come poor white people tip at restaurants?

[–]Sw0rDz 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

If I recall correctly, ghettos were created due to discrimination. During the baby boom, black people were unable to buy decent homes, and were forced to live in the less desired areas. Combine that with a struggle to get a legitimate job and bad treatment, and it is only time till people change for the worse.

[–]relliMseW 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

I agree with this all the way. Being a delivery driver for a number of years, I started to notice a trend with deliveries to black customers (especially female) not giving me a tip. I was starting to think "it's not racist if it's true, right? Statistically I'm just not getting tips from most black women" but then I realized that low income neighborhoods (white or black) also didn't tip very often or at all. Because the stereotype of black people not tipping was rolling around in my head already, my first instinct was to confirm it from my own experience, without looking at the big picture. I can see how it is easy to jump to that kind of confirmation, but we have to pump the breaks a little.

[–]Technosphere 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

I believe you are supposed to get to know every person. Then you will truly find a reason to hate them. Color isn't needed.

[–]Me2lazy 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

This. Not race culture.

[–]inkhogneatoh -1ポイント0ポイント  (0子コメント)

In America, it's more acceptable to discriminate by race, than by class.

America's poor are taught to hate themselves, because the reason they are poor is a flaw in either their genetics, or moral character, or both.

At least, that is the implied reason.

[–]Donut -1ポイント0ポイント  (0子コメント)

It's a cultural thing based on socio-economic position.

You're reversing cause and effect. The culture of poor decision making and lack of consideration of future consequences causes poor socio-economic outcomes.

I know, I am up-jumped Pasadena TX white trash.