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[–]JessiTee여자친구[S] 7ポイント8ポイント9ポイント 3時間前 (18子コメント)
Those groups are active and producing plenty of new content, though, which is why they come up so often. We try to remove anything that's too "fluffy" or irrelevant (although we are considering allowing more of this content as long as it is tagged properly). I think if a group is actively promoting and the content is relevant then it does belong here.
[–]mostinterestingtrollMINO 5ポイント6ポイント7ポイント 2時間前 (0子コメント)
That's fine, but I still don't think the sub should be exclusive to "new content" with older songs thrown into a separate thread.
If it stimulates discussion and is properly tagged as a [ThrowBack], then there's really no harm in them imo.
[–]CronoDroidGirls' Generation 0ポイント1ポイント2ポイント 2時間前 (16子コメント)
We try to remove anything that's too "fluffy" or irrelevant
Why? This is stuff the userbase obviously wants to see. Honestly I'm sick of things I want to see getting removed, if I don't want to see it, I won't click on it, or downvote.
[–]NewbieSone기센레디터 5ポイント6ポイント7ポイント 1時間前 (12子コメント)
Honestly I'm sick of things I want to see getting removed, if I don't want to see it, I won't click on it, or downvote.
/r/kpop isn't your personal blog feed tuned specifically to your palate.
[+]CronoDroidGirls' Generation スコアが基準値未満のコメント-6ポイント-5ポイント-4ポイント 1時間前* (11子コメント)
Well then go tell that to the other hundreds of people who either upvote or comment on various "fluff" submissions.
/r/kpop isn't YOUR pet project where you can let your ego run wild, it isn't a place where you should feel entitled to power trip so don't talk to me about my personal wants. If I have something I want to see, I'll see it on my own volition, I only post things here so other people can see it too. Other people do the same thing, surprisingly enough and if I don't want to see it, I'll downvote and move on. If I do want to see it, I'll look at it, maybe comment, maybe upvote. It seems like other people do much the same thing.
But noooooooooooo, we won't have that. All these poor people who are FORCED to look at K-pop related fluff, I sympathize greatly, how will they ever manage? So many videos of opening pitches, fancams, discussions, it really is a tragedy that our userbase is FORCED to look at it and FORCED to participate.
Oh wait, that isn't the case at all.
I see a lot of things on here that I don't want to see, but actually I have some empathy and consideration, and realize that hey, other people might want to see it. I mean I have very little in most boy groups but I'm not about to downvote their MVs, their live stages just because of MY preferences. But yeah, keep talking about how I'm the one being selfish, or something? I don't know. I mean, I just thought this subreddit was the place to talk about K-pop related things but clearly I must be mistaken on a number of levels.
[–]vlewitusApeace 4ポイント5ポイント6ポイント 1時間前 (1子コメント)
You're taking this waaaaay too personally, dude.
[–]CronoDroidGirls' Generation -3ポイント-2ポイント-1ポイント 1時間前 (0子コメント)
No I'm not, if they want to continue this trend they have every right in the world to do so. I just think it limits discussion, limits the spread of K-pop, limits interest in it and is just a pointless waste of time and energy.
[–]NewbieSone기센레디터 3ポイント4ポイント5ポイント 1時間前 (4子コメント)
Our moderation policy aims at preserving the quality and utility of the subreddit for both current and future subscribers. You may be fine with wading through fluff and ignoring or downvoting it, but for many other users, the signal-to-noise ratio in the new queue is a deciding factor in returning to the subreddit for further visits. We get told all the time that /r/kpop is interesting because it dispenses with fluff vs. other news outlets, and offers a higher-quality discussion stream than other English-language discussion forums. Since those other outlets and forums exist as an alternative to /r/kpop I think the subreddit is a unique proposition worth preserving, and enhancing the community as a whole. Try getting an AMA on your Tumblr sexy GIF blog some time.
The problem with low-quality submissions is also that they generally inspire imitation. If something gets posted that's highly available (say, a random short idol pinup fancam as you like to submit them apparently - there's a subreddit for that, BTW) one instance of it will beget a dozen others, and because that has a trickle-down effect on audience demographics, the upvote/downvote system isn't enough to stem the tide and prevent altering the nature of the place over time.
Now, I agree that the nature of the place should be up to the subscribers, so moderation policy should be something we make decisions on together. That's why we have State of the Subreddit threads where we can take a long-term view into both the past and the future, and have a real dialog about what we as a community think is working, or not. But those battles can't be fought in every individual submission.
[–]CronoDroidGirls' Generation [スコア非表示] 43分前 (3子コメント)
I'm not talking about MY submissions, most of my submissions are MVs, lives or variety shows so don't even go there.
You talk a big talk about "fluff" but there is still a great deal of fluff on the subreddit. Really it's the inconsistent moderation that is annoying, especially when VIDEOS are removed but articles from AKP, Soompi, Koreaboo, whatever, AND tweets are considered worthy. If they're self-posts with a good summary of the information, fine. But right now there's stuff about U-Kiss, some eventual variety appearance, and the ROK Army's favorite girl group, I mean really. I personally don't mind it but if you're going to talk about "fluff," that's fluff.
I just don't like seeing interesting videos removed, and I'm not talking about amateur compliations, amateur remixes and what-not where you could make a case for them to not be on the subreddit. I'm talking about more or less first party clips.
I'm not in favor of fancam spamming either so I won't complain about this too much, but even so, some notable fancams are still getting removed. If it's a high quality, one off fancam of a specific performance, that is also highly upvoted then it should stay. I think the userbase is more than capable of downvoting spam, your allegation that this subreddit will become a fancam haven is unfounded, as of right now.
Yeah well I'm giving my thoughts now but it isn't exactly helpful when submissions are just removed outright without a chance for the userbase to say whether or not they want it removed. That's MY biggest concern, since you're just deleting submissions, HIGHLY UPVOTED SUBMISSIONS, willy nilly. As a counterpoint, on the APink subreddit, where I submit a lot of subbed videos (instead of on /r/kpop) the mods actually posted first "hey btw we have a new format for titles, could you do that in the future" and I don't have any problem with that. They didn't just get rid of upvoted submissions.
[–]NewbieSone기센레디터 [スコア非表示] 36分前 (2子コメント)
videos vs. other content
We remove lower-quality article submissions, random tweets and so on with a similar frequency to video submissions. I'm not sure why you think video media are automatically more substantial than other forms of media.
your allegation that this subreddit will become a fancam haven is unfounded, as of right now.
If you need a precedent demonstrating the mechanic I talked about you can think back to the time when we policy on discussion posts was loosened for some time.
As a counterpoint, on the APink subreddit, where I submit a lot of subbed videos (instead of on /r/kpop[1] ) the mods actually posted first
The submission title rules haven't changed in years. You're still mistaken that the removal you're salty about was due to an unannounced rule change -- as I explained previously in the modmail correspondence you opened.
[–]CronoDroidGirls' Generation [スコア非表示] 21分前 (1子コメント)
Because they are? They show new and occasionally novel shit, first hand?
I don't really remember this alleged dark time, besides discussions are different from fancams. At least discussions occasionally lead to...discussions.
Yeah well like I said inconsistent moderation didn't help in that regard, I'm not mistaken about anything. I just don't think it should have been removed in the first place.
[–]NewbieSone기센레디터 [スコア非表示] 13分前* (0子コメント)
I don't really remember this alleged dark time
Allowing more simple discussion hooks lead to a lot of discussion submissions that followed the general pattern of "let's take this previous discussion title and alter it slightly", and a lot of boring threads that were overly familiar to more seasoned kpop fans. And since the conversion period from newbie to season fan is very brief, it implied a shorter span of engagement with the subreddit (i.e. it makes it less interesting more quickly).
This is a recent example, but /r/kpop also has a rule-less past where, e.g. during the SNSD The Boys era, the front page was mostly SNSD individual member photocards and SNSD GIFs. I'd suggest a frontpage and new queue that's 80% SNSD isn't the best /r/kpop can be, and somehow the option to downvote content didn't prevent it from being that all the same.
Interesting. It's almost as if subreddits have moderators for a reason and moderation is part of the site as much as the downvote button is.
I just don't think it should have been removed in the first place.
I think it shouldn't have been submitted with a title violating the rules in the first place, since it was really nice content.
[–]sindork_Underwater Squad 3ポイント4ポイント5ポイント 1時間前 (3子コメント)
/r/kpop isn't YOUR pet project where you can let your ego run wild, it isn't a place where you should feel entitled to power trip so don't talk to me about my personal wants.
He actually can. The mods have all the power to operate the sub as they see fit. They can take the community's input, but have no impulse to act on it.
Other people do the same thing, surprisingly enough and if I don't want to see it, I'll downvote and move on.
Don't downvote just because you don't like something. You're half the problem with reddit.
Actually they are forced to see it. It covers the front page. There is no variety. Variety fosters discussion. Discussion fosters good communities.
The mods aren't removing throwbacks. They're trying to stop the flood that overwhelms all other content on the sub. Stop going on tirades just because everything doesn't go your way. All you do is bitch about the mods and it's getting very tiring.
[–]CronoDroidGirls' Generation [スコア非表示] 32分前 (2子コメント)
Yeah well if you think that an individual mod, or even a few mods have the final say versus hundreds if not thousands of subscribers I don't know what to say really. It's a little backwards.
That was just an example, I don't actually downvote submissions unless they're blatantly spam or useless, the point is submissions should be regulated by the userbase to a large degree, provided of course the content is relevant to the subject. K-pop is pretty broad in that regard. And I'm not half the problem with reddit. Half the problem with reddit is rampant sexism and racism but I won't get into that. If people are downvoting because they don't like something, well, what can I say, majoritarianism ain't perfect. I personally prefer a system where instead of RELEVANT submissions getting removed, I can look at them myself and determine whether or not I personally want to see them.
I'm not even talking about that, although I don't think mods should remove throwbacks at all, unless they're recent reposts or particularly low video/sound quality. Variety? What are you even talking about. All other content? What are you even talking about. I want to see more discussion. I want to see more submissions where there is something to discuss. But I also don't mind seeing a little lighthearted entertainment once in a while, which is the point of K-pop after all.
Stop going on tirades just because everything doesn't go your way. All you do is bitch about the mods and it's getting very tiring.
Please. Enough. I submit pertinent content regularly, comment and try to foster discussion, I also take a stand when people (in K-pop or the community) say problematic shit. Acting as if I ONLY complain about the mods is just patently untrue, I'm complaining NOW because this is the topic for discussion. Otherwise I'm just talking about regular K-pop.
Plus, at the end of the day if the mods want to make it so the only things on this subreddit are contemporary MVs, lives and variety shows I'll still be here. I just think it makes K-pop a lot less entertaining when we can't see or talk about the so-called "fluff."
[–]NewbieSone기센레디터 [スコア非表示] 26分前* (1子コメント)
Half the problem with reddit is rampant sexism
... how does that jibe with submitting fancams of kpop artists being reduced to eyecandy to a music subreddit, by the way?
We do try to make sure /r/kpop doesn't become an off-putting /r/kpinups, and I think the census results - /r/kpop is a lot more gender-balanced than reddit as a whole is - indicate a success in that regard.
[–]CronoDroidGirls' Generation [スコア非表示] 5分前 (0子コメント)
Please. Don't even go there when you yourself have submitted photos to /r/kpics. How you gonna reconcile that? I don't think you need to but don't cast stones now.
There have been many books written about sexual objectification and the poor portrayal of women in the media but I am not about to go into that, I have neither the time, inclination or authority to speak on that. Needless to say though that appreciating women for their appearance does not necessarily mean you're sexist, and it isn't as if I only consider women objects designed to please my pee-pee.
Let's face it, K-pop has a great deal of sexualization but participating in it and/or consuming it does not necessarily make one sexist. As long as you are cognizant of the larger issues.
I'm very appreciative that /r/kpop isn't like the many places on the internet where boys are boys and female idols only exist to be ogled at but don't even level those accusations at me. You're just derailing.
[–]picflute특수한 눈송이 4ポイント5ポイント6ポイント 1時間前 (2子コメント)
No it's not. Don't speak for the user base when you don't represent it fully. This subreddit isn't a catch all it's for general korean pop music take the fluff to the artists subreddit.
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