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[–]kylezo -140ポイント-139ポイント-138ポイント 8時間前 (39子コメント)
The comic is "unnecessary". Maybe what you meant was its not your taste or style.
[–]Qoaster 109ポイント110ポイント111ポイント 6時間前 (10子コメント)
No, no. This is objectively over sexualized.
[–]Tutin 26ポイント27ポイント28ポイント 4時間前 (8子コメント)
Yeah she went from flat chested to Double Ds being stressed out over Pokemon
[–]RotmgCamel 37ポイント38ポイント39ポイント 3時間前 (5子コメント)
I think she went through puberty and that's the joke. She was 13 an wanted a shiny and years later she still hasn't gotten one.
[–]jacobetes 17ポイント18ポイント19ポイント 3時間前 (3子コメント)
She doesnt need to be sexualized to show that shes older. The joke is that time has passed, but we dont need to see her tits to recognize that shes aged.
[–]ShiraCheshire 28ポイント29ポイント30ポイント 3時間前 (2子コメント)
I find it mildly funny that they show she's older by almost nothing but her chest size. Her face doesn't change, her body doesn't change, her hair adds a ponytail to the back but otherwise doesn't change. Her breasts, though? Obviously, aging is best represented by a rapidly inflating chest.
[–]JustAMinuteAnHourAgo 6ポイント7ポイント8ポイント 2時間前 (0子コメント)
Actually there are other differences, if you look closely more changes. The face stays pretty much the same, but the body shape does change. The butt gets bigger as well and the second crotch shot is a lot more sexual. Also she goes from Game Boy to GBA to DS/3DS. Not that I'm defending this, definitely unnecessarily sexual
[–]jacobetes -4ポイント-3ポイント-2ポイント 3時間前 (0子コメント)
I mean, to be fair, the only difference between an 8 year old and a 20 year old is that the 20 year old has DDs and literal 0 ability to keep them covered.
[–]Soulstealers [スコア非表示] 26分前 (0子コメント)
Or maybe because she's an on-going character in the authors universe.
[–]Trayocon 8ポイント9ポイント10ポイント 3時間前 (0子コメント)
Isnt she growing up through the panels?
[–]Bayren7.8 6ポイント7ポイント8ポイント 3時間前 (0子コメント)
Some people in real life also go from flat chested to Double D's as they grow up.
[–]ShyGuy214 3ポイント4ポイント5ポイント 1時間前 (0子コメント)
Haha, so many people getting their jimmies rustled because an artist added fanservice to their Pokémon comic.
Don't any of you have anything else better to do than cry about over sexulazation on a small comic strip? I'm sure there's worse offenders out there somewhere, go preach to them instead.
[–]Zemedelphos3754-7492-6600 42ポイント43ポイント44ポイント 6時間前 (27子コメント)
No, the comic is necessary to deliver the joke or story. The female sexualization makes absolutely NO contribution towards that delivery.
[–]Garrosh 14ポイント15ポイント16ポイント 6時間前 (26子コメント)
He knows his audience.
[–]Zemedelphos3754-7492-6600 -2ポイント-1ポイント0ポイント 4時間前 (25子コメント)
If the audience is there for the sexualization, why is the creator making comics and not porn?
[–]Garrosh 9ポイント10ポイント11ポイント 2時間前 (0子コメント)
Let's say you want a salad but you love bacon so you make a salad with bits of bacon on it.
[–]floppybeef 9ポイント10ポイント11ポイント 3時間前 (7子コメント)
Are you really policing an artist for sexualizing his/her own creation?
[–]Zemedelphos3754-7492-6600 2ポイント3ポイント4ポイント 3時間前 (6子コメント)
I'm criticizing the artistic decisions made in this comic, and the flimsy justifications behind it.
[–]lesser_panjandrum 11ポイント12ポイント13ポイント 3時間前* (2子コメント)
Na bro it's totally justified. You see, she has a parasite which means that she breathes through her skin and photosynthesises.
Totally justified and not at all cheap pandering.
[–]Zemedelphos3754-7492-6600 4ポイント5ポイント6ポイント 3時間前 (1子コメント)
Nice reference bro.
[–]lesser_panjandrum 5ポイント6ポイント7ポイント 2時間前 (0子コメント)
Thanks bro.
[–]jacobetes -1ポイント0ポイント1ポイント 3時間前 (0子コメント)
AKA: being a decent human being
[–]GanjaBus 0ポイント1ポイント2ポイント 1時間前 (0子コメント)
Who the fuck cares? If an artists style include an oversexualization of the girls, then that's the artists style. Not much else around it, the artist wanted to make it that way, so they did. I personally enjoy it, but maybe it's because I'm not all that cynical.
[–]floppybeef [スコア非表示] 28分前 (0子コメント)
Since when do artists need to justify their art to anyone? Every single time this comic gets posted, the comments are an AIDSfest of White Knights. Like yeah dude, we all noticed the gratuitous sexualization, it's not very fucking subtle... most people would just downvote and move on, but there are always a few self-righteous pricks who feel the need to condemn the artist for sexualization as if that's some sin in and of itself. It's not. Get over yourself
[–]xUser52x[Watch the power of the aura!] 3ポイント4ポイント5ポイント 3時間前 (15子コメント)
I'm pretty sure he actually does do porn, but don't quote me. Besides, it might be unnecessary, but its his style, his way of being unique. When you see his comics, you instantly know because of it. If you don't like it don't look at it.
[+]jacobetes スコアが基準値未満のコメント-9ポイント-8ポイント-7ポイント 3時間前 (1子コメント)
No. Dont treat women like objects for the sake of a shitty joke, period. Uniqueness and artistic style are not, under any circumstances, a suitable excuse for doing so.
if you dont like it, dont look at it
Oh fuck the fuck out of people like you. Do not defend this kind of shit by asking me to politely avert my eyes. Attitudes like that is the reason this kind of shit still happens. Women arent going to stop being objectified because i stop witnessing it happen.
[–]xUser52x[Watch the power of the aura!] 9ポイント10ポイント11ポイント 2時間前 (0子コメント)
Everyone is objectified. Buzzwords don't mean you have a point. If you think looking at a comic strip makes me, or anyone else, look at real women poorly, that says more about you then me. I can decipher a comic from reality. You can't objectify a fictional person.
[–]Zemedelphos3754-7492-6600 -3ポイント-2ポイント-1ポイント 3時間前 (12子コメント)
So that's unique, is it?
[–]xUser52x[Watch the power of the aura!] 4ポイント5ポイント6ポイント 3時間前 (11子コメント)
Sexulization? No. His art style combined with sexulization? Yeah. I don't even get what's so bad about sexulization. But this is just a whole debate that nobody will listen to so I might as well not take the karma hit.
[–]ShiraCheshire 1ポイント2ポイント3ポイント 2時間前 (2子コメント)
One of the many problems with sexulization is that it presents the person in question as, first and foremost, a sex object.
Sex is also to style and art what poop jokes are to humor. That is to say, it's extremely low-effort. Want more page views? Sure, slap some breasts on it! Want to make a toddler laugh? Poopy! If his style needs sexulization to be recognized, then his style needs some serious work. Good art shouldn't need to be sexual, just as a good comedy would not rely on repeated poop jokes for laughs.
[–]xUser52x[Watch the power of the aura!] 0ポイント1ポイント2ポイント 2時間前 (1子コメント)
Nobody in their right mind looks at a cartoon woman with boobs as a real woman. "Sex object" is one of the most generic buzzwords you can use and doesn't make sense when describing a fake person. You could also look at it as appreciating the female figure and it would be the exact opposite. I just don't get why people get mad over it but not shirtless men with six packs in other media, and yet hate this. It comes down to people wanting to be offended as well as american views on sex as being shameful.
[–]ShiraCheshire [スコア非表示] 58分前 (0子コメント)
The comic isn't supposed to be outright porn. (Or, I at least hope it isn't. That would be some seriously disappointing porn.) The focus of the comic isn't sex, it's a comic about shiny Pokemon. For the frustration of the main character to matter, we should sympathize with her similarly to the way we would with a real person. If you read/watch a story and view all the characters as meaningless fake people, you're likely not reading/watching a very good story.
I apologize for using a buzzword, but it was the best fit for the idea I was thinking of. When the character is drawn so sexually in an otherwise non-sexual comic, it generally communicates that the character is primarily sexual. It says "Look at these frustrated breasts" more than "Look at this frustrated representation of a human being." That's the idea I was trying to get at. The words 'sex object' was the most concise way to the heart of the idea.
If it matters at all, I would be just as annoyed if the character was a sexualized male. Either way, I would consider it detrimental.
It's okay if you like breasts. Tons of people out there think breasts are great, there's nothing wrong with breasts. You want to see breasts? There is porn for that. There is so, so much porn for that. However, in a comic with a non-sexual subject, I don't feel that so much sexualization is needed. In fact, seeing as it shift's the focus away from the comic's main subject, I would call it outright counterproductive.
[–]Zemedelphos3754-7492-6600 -2ポイント-1ポイント0ポイント 3時間前 (7子コメント)
I don't even get what's so bad about sexulization.
Sexualization of women's bodies is just a cheap tactic to make weak works readable.
[–]Soulstealers 2ポイント3ポイント4ポイント 2時間前 (4子コメント)
Not really, I think its dumb but I don't really care either way. Personally, I think you getting angry over the fact that an author who makes smut comics making their non-smut comics sexy is more telling about you than than the author.
They know what their audience wants more than you, and if that happens to be smut and slightly smutty gaming content, thats perfectly fine.
[–]ShiraCheshire [スコア非表示] 42分前 (3子コメント)
You know, I might agree with you on a certain point there. I'm surprised.
Thinking of this comic as coming from a smutty site, intended to be taken as smut, changes things. People can draw as much porn for their porn websites as they want, I don't see a problem with that.
I believe the problem here is that this subreddit is not for any kind of smut/porn. This subreddit is for Pokemon, there is an entirely separate subreddit for when you want Pokemon to get sexy. We are not the intended audience, here is not the correct place for this content. Here we take it as a Pokemon comic with unneeded sexualization instead of a sex comic with some Pokemon stuff in the background.
Realizing that the artist probably never intended this to be anything other than sexual for people who want sexual stuff makes me feel more okay about it. It most certainly does not belong on this subreddit, though.
[–]Cozmosus 2ポイント3ポイント4ポイント 1時間前 (0子コメント)
Jasper, is that you?
[–]xUser52x[Watch the power of the aura!] 0ポイント1ポイント2ポイント 2時間前 (0子コメント)
Every country sexualizes everyone way more than America, because sex isn't taboo elsewhere; its natural. Here it's seen as shameful. Its just art.
π Rendered by PID 13293 on app-94 at 2015-09-26 15:06:12.578353+00:00 running 72eab47 country code: JP.
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