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As a woman in STEM, I've had to explain this many times. (imgur.com)

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[–]raxtich 46ポイント47ポイント  (20子コメント)

I tried to explain this about the IT field and got called a sexist asshole by a bunch of female acquaintances. When I asked how many of them chose IT as a career, all I heard were lame excuses about how the system favors men. When I asked for one example of how the system favors men, I again got called a sexist asshole.

[–]mustachedino 7ポイント8ポイント  (0子コメント)

Well, as a lady in IT I can tell you I have to deal with sexism pretty often, and sometimes it wears on you. You have a field that is overwhelmingly male and has been for a long time, and I would say about half don't know how to deal with a woman in their midst. I've had men that would not take no for an answer, men that won't let me lift anything, men that question everything I do because they don't trust that I know what I'm doing, men that talk about women all the time deafeningly and don't even realize it... I love my job and what I do, and there are a decent amount of men that can work with a woman and have it be no big deal, but there are a lot of assholes too.

[–]actuallychrisgillen 39ポイント40ポイント  (10子コメント)

Maybe the system does favour men, I'm not sure, certainly we try our damnedest to make sure any candidate of merit has a chance to succeed irregardless of the sex, race, nationality or religion.

But the facts are incontrovertible. I see dozens of IT candidates in a year. I can count on one hand how many women have applied in the last decade. I have no idea why, we, as an industry have no historical legacy to overcome, it's not like father and grandfather before me were computer techs and THEY never had to deal with women. There isn't any significant upper body strength considerations or any other physiological issues that would make a man superior at the job.

Sure we run into the occasional client who can't get it through their skull that a mere woman can fix things, but that's the exception rather than the rule. More often than not it's women requesting a female technician for onsite visits. So women out there, tech companies of the world want you! Apply today!

[–]DontGetBit 5ポイント6ポイント  (0子コメント)

They problem is that the tech cliches and stereotypes are all about men -- not women. The stereotype used to be the nerdy, socially awkward man and now it's just the nerdy man. Being nerdy is cool now, but the stereotypes and cliches are still men.

That makes a huge difference for kids because they typically don't have the life experience to see the world beyond its surface of cliches and stereotypes.

Adults know (mostly, hopefully) there's no basis for dividing the world into 'boy things' and 'girl things', but kids don't -- in the crucial developmental period of their life.

[–]fucky_fucky -1ポイント0ポイント  (7子コメント)

It's no mystery. Women just don't want to do it.

[–]candacebernhard 2ポイント3ポイント  (6子コメント)

just don't

that is the definition of mystery.

[–]fucky_fucky -1ポイント0ポイント  (5子コメント)

No, my friend. This is the definition of mystery.

[–]candacebernhard 0ポイント1ポイント  (4子コメント)

They just don't. We don't know why. They just. <- nope, no mystery there. /s

[–]fucky_fucky -1ポイント0ポイント  (3子コメント)

Hey! You're dumb. Have a reply.

[–]candacebernhard 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

black people can't read. we don't know why. they just can't.

men can't have babies. we don't know why. they just can't.

tide comes in. tide comes out.

^ no mystery in that

[–]candacebernhard 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

fuck off, fucky. have a reply.

[–]candacebernhard 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

yah, the epitome of STEM. that "logic"

[–]jackson392 -2ポイント-1ポイント  (0子コメント)

System definitely doesn't favor men, it highly favors women. Nearly every company I've worked for will practically throw a job at a female if she shows even the smallest inkling of technical ability.

Where I have found they struggle with is moving past the entry level positions in purely technical positions. They almost always branch of into things like Management, Project Management or some sort of pseudo tech/sales position. Mostly it seems to be because very few of them really enjoy the tech as much as men seem to.

[–]DianaFyer 5ポイント6ポイント  (0子コメント)

It's a long standing legacy that's hard to escape even if people wanted to. When you're a woman in data and tech, you have to work more to be taken seriously. It's not conscious. But you know when you walk into a room and instantly all the men look at each while you fade away. People can tell women "well, just speak up then!" That doesn't solve the problem. You're asking her to fight an extra battle every day. And you're blaming her for not fighting when she shouldn't have that burden to begin with. It doesn't solve a problem, just makes it less visible.

Hell, I just heard a story on the radio about a group of women in tech who wanted to have a support group and events who got accused a discrimination against men for not opening the club up to males.

[–]mariah_a 4ポイント5ポイント  (0子コメント)

When:

  • You're recommended to send in a CV by a friend who works at a place, the boss loves it and forwards it to the head of the helpdesk. The helpdesk boss takes one look at the name and apparently screws it up and throws it away because "I don't hire women on the helpdesk, they're unprofessional and annoying".

  • You're the only girl on your course for two years and your male peers say you cheated or flirted to get the highest grades.

  • Your college "friend" you beat on the job interview say "well, it was obvious why she got the job wasn't it", while pointing to my chest.

  • Walking around a supplier more than double your age, he makes inappropriate comments to you in front of your boss and winks at you as he leaves.

  • Working in a school, teachers don't take you seriously when you say something is broken and ask if you'd like help from "their dad/brother/uncle who works in IT" over a serious issue.

  • Escorting a group of suppliers through the building, they make jokes behind your back about the one nearest to your age to "be a good boy when you're alone together".

Then yes it can feel like a sexist system that favours men.

[–]batsam 2ポイント3ポイント  (1子コメント)

...Ok, let's think about this a little bit. I am a female software engineer, so let me give you my perspective.

So you've noticed that only a small number of women choose to go into engineering/IT/tech/etc. Why do you think this is the case? Is it because women are fundamentally not as good at math/science as men are? That they just innately are not as drawn to that type of work? Since this is literally the definition of sexism, I can only hope that you don't believe that.

So then how do we explain the disparity between men and women entering engineering? Maybe we have to accept that there are some social and cultural factors at play ("the system" as your acquaintances put it) that make it less likely that women will have an interest in engineering by the time they are college aged. Maybe things like "alpha nerd dude" stereotypes of programmers and engineers on television that girls can't relate to. Or young girls being given dolls to play with while their male peers play with legos and k'nex. Or girls in high school being encouraged by teachers to pursue english classes instead of math and science classes. Or a complete lack of female technologists and engineers in the news, on TV, or in the lives of young women. Maybe if you grow up basically being bombarded with message all around you that engineering isn’t for you, it's pretty unlikely that you will cultivate an interest in engineering. This is the kind of stuff that tech diversity activists are working to combat, as opposed to simply criticizing women for not choosing a technical field when in actuality there were many invisible barriers in their way.

[–]dracht -1ポイント0ポイント  (0子コメント)

Why do you think this is the case?

Here's a non-bullshit answer you're not going to like: it's because they are mentally and physically weak(er). Why are you having to make a plea to men to accommodate you rather than the other way around?

[–]eeefffttt 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

You sexist asshole

[–]mygawd 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

Well if they felt their concerns were legitimate and you called them lame excuses instead of acknowledging the problem, you can see how they'd feel you were being a sexist asshole. Not saying you were or weren't, but it makes sense they;d have felt that way

[–]baserace -4ポイント-3ポイント  (0子コメント)

Welcome to the effects of Indoctrination by Feels.

[–]Kramer_rulez -4ポイント-3ポイント  (0子コメント)

Bitchs be trippin