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[–]thecorkster 105ポイント106ポイント  (32子コメント)

The sad thing is that even when these dogs are rescued they're extremely hard to adopt out. You REALLY need to have experience with rescue dogs to take on an old bait dog, let alone one that was raised to be a fighter. I'm not just talking "Oh my family has had dogs before", I mean you need to be willing to educate yourself on dog training and preventing worst case scenarios.

I volunteer at an animal shelter that has an old bait dog. Sweetest thing in the world to humans. Similar to the cutie in this picture. But she's killed a dog at our shelter because no one realized she could jump the 7ft fence between kennels. There just aren't that many people in the world willing to adopt a shelter pit who's killed another dog, and she will likely spend her life in the shelter. Just a sad fact. You can't blame the dog for the way she is, and you can't blame people who don't want her.

[–]idontgetbacon 18ポイント19ポイント  (3子コメント)

I'm going to have a ranch, and when I no longer have little kids around I'm going to adopt at least one, hoping for a bonded pair.

I'd love one now, but that wouldn't be fair it it or my son.

[–]Drivebymumble 21ポイント22ポイント  (2子コメント)

I thought you were about say you were gonna start a ranch for ex bait dogs. That's how you end up with strongest bait dog left standing.

[–]idontgetbacon 2ポイント3ポイント  (1子コメント)

Nooooooo lol. Sorry, I am totally scatterbrained today. I just know that bonded pairs tend to be harder to adopt, and splitting them is super stressful on the dogs. With lots of land, I would be able to handle (and properly train) two of them and keep them from going down the metaphorical river.

[–]Drivebymumble 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

Don't worry, you made sense the first time, my brain just jumped to a conclusion before you finished. I hope that works out though, there's no way my dog isn't some sort of rescue when I get one.

[–]PHATsakk43 4ポイント5ポイント  (1子コメント)

A lot of the problem is rental policies. I own my house, so I have a pit. Most of my friends don't, so they can't.

[–]Tony_Balogna 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

"no aggressive breeds"

The implication being that the entire breed is aggressive. This shit should be illegal. Have we learned nothing from the civil rights struggles? Talk about discrimination.

here is my "agressive breed"

http://i.imgur.com/C4jrNjn.png

[–]leecorwood 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

This isn't just bait dogs (not that I'm implying that's what you meant) but generally all shelter dogs. It's rather infuriating to see animal owners, not just dog owners, that don't bother to educate themselves on just basic animal behavior. So many little things in posture and facial expression that mean a whole or difference.

Shelter animals often don't get as much of a chance because many that come in believe they're adopting a perfectly trained living thing. Not animals that are in locations where they aren't socialized up to 23 hours of their day and just happened to develop bad habits and previous abuse.

They're not porcelain dolls without a soul or personality. They're little infuriating balls of cuteness that just need better guidance in their lives.

[–]carbomite 2ポイント3ポイント  (14子コメント)

But she's killed a dog at our shelter

And they will attack other animals, small children, and the occasional strangers too. Adopting abused animals is great, but people lose site of the fact that one reason why nobody can have their golden retriever off leash anywhere in an American city or suburb anymore is because too many fucking idiots convinced themselves their pitbull or German shepherd was just as sweet and harmless as the chocolate lab down the block.

Source: 1) My family friend's 6-year-old daughter was mauled by "friendly" pitbull, 2) I was attacked while jogging in my local park by a pitbull that escaped woman's leash, 3) My two labs were attacked when an idiot decided to let his pitbull and German shepherd off leash.

[–]RAND0M-HER0 16ポイント17ポイント  (11子コメント)

I've met some pretty nasty "friendly" dogs myself. I was walking my Rottweiler and Husky and this guy with beagle/lab mixes had his flexible leashes ripped from his hand as his dogs came after me.

It turned into me holding back my very upset dogs, while kicking his "don't worry they're friendly" dogs in the face so it would let go of my Rottweiler.

Just because it's a golden retriever, or a lab, or a beagle doesn't automatically mean it's going to be friendly. The same way a Rottweiler, Pitbull or German Shepherd will automatically be aggressive

[–]FutureFruit 3ポイント4ポイント  (4子コメント)

Amen brother. As the decades pass there's always a new breed that is deemed "dangerous". Meanwhile, people don't know how vicious " family " breeds can be. And don't get me started on chihuahuas.

[–]el_f3n1x187 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

fucking literal ankle bitters!

[–]ld2gj 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

Chihuahua = vicious little microwave tester.

[–]RAND0M-HER0 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

Mmhmm there's always going to be a new most aggressive breed, but at the end of the day, to me they're all the same. An off leash lab coming at me is just as much a threat as an off leash GSD.

I don't know your dog, so your opinion of your dog that you have bonded with means nothing to me. Every breed has the potential for aggression, and i don't think any one breed is more deserving of being off leash than another based on their breed

[–]GreatMadWombat 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

I've had two family dogs, both Terriers. One of them, my parents got like..a month before my birth. The OTHER one they(and eventually I) got when I was 14.

I'm gonna train the heck out of my first dog(as in, the dog that I, living away from my family, will to adopt).

[–]catwithlasers 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

Only dog I've ever been bitten by was a Dalmatian.

That scared me away from dogs for a very long time, until my father rescued a dog from the back of a boarded up pickup bed. I realized that she was far more afraid of me (plus doorways, among many other things). I started taking her for daily walks, to get us both comfortable with each other. We made a good team. Even with her fears, she was an excellent walking companion. She never pulled, not even toward/away from other people/animals. I could walk with a slack leash and she stayed on heel.

We never learned what type of dog she was, but she had a very pittie shaped head. I easily see her in pitties at our local rescue society. But she was as tall as my hip, and she was too big for our townhouse. My brother in law took her in, but ended up giving her to one of his best friends who had more time on his hands. This was 20 years ago, and I lost track of how they were doing together, but everything I had heard had been wonderful for her.

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    [–]biohazurd 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

    Golden retrievers and labs are not always friendly Ive been severely bitten by several in my life. Look at the lists of fatal dog attacks as well, you will see several different breeds of "Safe" dogs that have killed people in the past. I treat any large animal with hesitation until i am certain of its temperament regardless of breed.

    [–]ld2gj 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

    I have been attacked more by small dogs than big dogs, and I have been around pitbulls, German Shepherds, and other "aggressive" dogs.

    I thing that chihuahuas are far more aggressive than any of the bigger dogs (who wouldn't be with their brain being squished in the small skull).

    [–]givethankstobrodin 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

    I would adopt her in a heart beat. Dogs like that need so much love and attention.

    [–]LegendofJoe 0ポイント1ポイント  (1子コメント)

    Quick question, what is a bait dog?

    [–]fancybearshaveclass 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

    My understanding is that a bait dog is a dog that's chained or confined and used as a living piece of meat to test the aggressiveness/fighting instinct of dogs used for fighting. It basically just gets the shit beat out of it (or killed) by "game" dogs that will be used/bet on in dog-fighting rackets.

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      [–]PitCrew917 367ポイント368ポイント  (197子コメント)

      Throwaway account because of the inevitable downvotes that will come from speaking the truth on this matter.

      I work with a number of shelters that take in ex-fighting dogs and I am very committed to this cause. It is absolutely disgusting how common place dog fighting still is in America. Its happening in every single city in America, on a daily basis.

      The thing that people are afraid to come out and say - which is the sole reason why dog fighting is allowed to happen - is that it is a big part of inner-city black culture. I say this as a Dominican guy who grew up in Harlem and was around this constantly. Its the truth and its not going anywhere until we address the problem at the root.

      99 times out of 100 when we take in fighting dogs and obvious bait dogs, theyre coming from black neighborhoods. The problem is they dont see anything wrong with it. Its a normal thing for them to do.

      I advise people to watch this video to see what the world of dog fighting is really like. Its hard to watch but its very eye opening.

      https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UozSY6TNgKo

      Theres a part where a vet goes into a 3rd grade (all black) classroom in Chicago and asks if any of the kids had ever seen a dog fight and literally every single kid in the class says they have.

      These kids are growing up thinking that its ok to fight dogs. Its engraved in their culture and we sweep it under the rug (especially white people) and pretend it doesnt happen. Then you get cases like with Michael Vick where he was genuinely surprised that there was such a backlash during his case. Notice that the black community almost unanimously supported him too. Things need to change.

      People need to wake up. Dog fighting is one of the most reprehensible acts going on in this country and it really is pretty much happening (on a large scale atleast) amongst one group of people.

      [–]brucetwarzen 127ポイント128ポイント  (99子コメント)

      What the fuck. Seriously, as non American redditor, i thought dog fighting is something that only exists in movies. I mean, i'm aware that it's real, but dead. since you know, it's 2015 and stuff.

      [–]Remigus 204ポイント205ポイント  (83子コメント)

      It's a big problem in black neighborhoods. But don't dare call them out on it, or you'll be labeled a racist and a horrible person.

      [–]ISIS_sucks_farts 79ポイント80ポイント  (40子コメント)

      Just like all the other problems in their neighborhoods.

      [–]_-_--_--_--_--_--_-_ 93ポイント94ポイント  (39子コメント)

      The problems don't have as much to do with being black as being poor though.

      [–]Piznti 14ポイント15ポイント  (1子コメント)

      As someone who has lived near many trailer parks, including having friends in trailers, I will have to respectively disagree with you.

      [–]potentsnackycakes 5ポイント6ポイント  (0子コメント)

      Not ALL trailer parks are like Sunnyvale, Rick. Some have meth labs and ghetto dog fights

      [–]HeallunRumblebelly 45ポイント46ポイント  (15子コメント)

      All that appalachian dog fighting?

      [–]prgkmr 30ポイント31ポイント  (10子コメント)

      I mean, they still have meth, drunk driving, incest, etc. Not exactly problem-free.

      [–]steves850 25ポイント26ポイント  (9子コメント)

      That's not relevant to the previous comment. There are poor issues, then there are poor black issues and poor white issues. Dog fighting is an issue seen more in the poor black community than any where else in the US.

      [–]BatMally 27ポイント28ポイント  (3子コメント)

      And the hispanic community. Not just the black community only. It is a cultural, not racial problem.

      [–]Drop_ 2ポイント3ポイント  (1子コメント)

      I thought hispanic communities were split between dogfighting and cockfighting (which is decidedly hispanic).

      [–]Libelulex 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

      A very big problem in Miami. So totally agree. Lack of jobs and education both academic and cultural mixed with very lenient laws is what makes animal abuse such a persistent problem.

      [–]saltcreep_ 9ポイント10ポイント  (1子コメント)

      In Poor white & Mexican areas it is cock fighting.

      [–]Drop_ 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

      Depends on where. Evidently it's common/popular among white farmers, but in urban areas it tends to be limited to hispanic communities.

      [–]dreamshoes 4ポイント5ポイント  (1子コメント)

      They live in different regions, with different infrastructures and population densities and sub-cultures, which means different kinds of problems and vices take hold. What, do we expect all poor people to manifest the same exact behaviors no matter where they live, like a spider weaving its web straight out of the egg?

      And, of course, poor blacks have had to face centuries of institutional oppression, on a scale that simply cannot be compared to the experience of poor whites anywhere in the United States, and so their particular circumstances and culture of violence may be all the more extreme. None of this is reason to think that ethnicity or genetics play any part, other than the fact that these people are oppressed on that basis.

      [–]Dd_8630 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

      Out of interest, are there any studies to substantiate that dog fighting in the US is more prevalent in poor black communities than in poor non-black communities?

      [–]OneOfDozens 3ポイント4ポイント  (0子コメント)

      Did you forget about cock fighting?

      Stupid bored poor people will often find ways to be amused by something being hurt.

      Also forget about bull fighting? That's a whole country of people cheering for animal abuse

      [–]areyouadog 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

      Um, there is a LOT of dogfighting in rural areas, perpetuated by white people. It's a thing.

      [–]i_am_a_meatpopsicle 7ポイント8ポイント  (0子コメント)

      I'm from Appalachia, they fight chickens here all the time. Same shit, different animal. But by all means, feel free to continue thinking poor black people are so much worse than poor white people. I'm sure you'll come up w/ lots of super factual, totally unbiased reasons as to why.

      [–]throwaway_y1 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

      No, they just prefer cocks.

      [–]Cricket620 6ポイント7ポイント  (1子コメント)

      You're the first person in this thread who has brought up race being causally linked with a bad behavior.

      [–]RudeTurnip 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

      Why construe it as a racial issue when it's a cultural problem?

      [–]chrispdx 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

      Generations and generations of poverty and overt/subtle racism has made the black communities what they are today. An individual black person or small group can break out of their environment and succeed. As a whole, though, they are trapped in their cultural worldview of hopelessness and economic hardships.

      [–]Clitory_Hinton -3ポイント-2ポイント  (10子コメント)

      And the reason poor white folks don't have the same problems is?

      [–]substandardgaussian 98ポイント99ポイント  (2子コメント)

      Culture. Poor white folk load up on liquor and meth and handle firearms; poor black folk grab a 40, roll a blunt, and go to a dog fight.

      Culture, culture, culture. It's always culture. Why do people who were raised in different places have different issues? It must be genetic!

      [–]redefining_reality 8ポイント9ポイント  (0子コメント)

      When I pointed that out a few times on Reddit I was smashed with PMs calling me racist

      [–]fuck_you_its_a_name 8ポイント9ポイント  (0子コメント)

      There must be a dog-fighting gene or something that is directly linked to African descent! That is way more logical than that ridiculous "culture" bullshit!

      [–]_-_--_--_--_--_--_-_ 35ポイント36ポイント  (2子コメント)

      Poor white neighborhoods have a shit ton of problems.

      [–]IRNobody 11ポイント12ポイント  (0子コメント)

      Wealthy neighborhoods have a shit ton of problems too. It's just easier to keep it hidden when you have money. The fact is the entire human race is fucked up. Human nature is a pretty shitty thing.

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        [–]George_Beast 8ポイント9ポイント  (0子コメント)

        They may not have this particular problem but surely you're not saying they have no other problems? Because then I'm not sure what your point is.

        [–]CharlieNobody 6ポイント7ポイント  (0子コメント)

        They do, visit a trailer park in Missouri sometime. Dog-fighting, meth, violence are all very prevalent in poor neighborhoods in general, no matter what your white supremacist uncle told you growing up.

        [–]InterspaceAlien 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

        Many of them do.

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          [–]Bingohas 1ポイント2ポイント  (1子コメント)

          But even in admitting the problem is poor black neighbourhoods you'll be labelled as a racist, making the people who appear to be fighting the problem do the opposite. It's an endless circle that can't change unless some major issues with the system are fixed. I'm honestly a little drunk right now and I'm not sure where this comment is going, or where it started, but I know how it's going to end. With me making a bold statement as a conclusion.

          Hitler was ok?

          [–]grape_jelly_sammich 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

          Hitler had his moments. No one who ever was in any great level of power like Hitler were ever cartoon style evil.

          [–]nhzkjd -1ポイント0ポイント  (0子コメント)

          We know that but all the black people are claiming they're poor cause everyone is racist.

          [–]baffled88 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

          Being poor is the problem, but they are also black, so it get seen as a cultural thing. The two don't have to be related, but unfortunately they are. The race situation just becomes the "apparent" thing, and nothing ever gets solved because it becomes a "culture."

          [–]ScroteHair 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

          As a hispanic I thought it was a hispanic thing

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            [–]ItsthetallguyTuor 9ポイント10ポイント  (28子コメント)

            I got down voted to hell awhile ago for saying why I had trouble hating M. Vick for his involvement. One of my best friends is back and grew up in this environment. He went to the fights with his dad, he had no idea it was illegal. It just was for him.

            [–]poweroftheschwartz 12ポイント13ポイント  (0子コメント)

            even if you have no idea that it's illegal, you should probably have some idea that it's fucking horrible if you're the tiniest bit of a moral person.

            [–]FirstSonOfGwyn 5ポイント6ポイント  (2子コメント)

            I mean- Vick could have asked literally anyone in the falcons organization or his agent. He was absolutely in a position to know better.

            I maintain he was willfully ignorant. Although I have forgiven him.

            [–]ItsthetallguyTuor 1ポイント2ポイント  (1子コメント)

            Haha to that I say, yea, at that point, he probably was knowing better. But that's a lot of years and a lot of people he would have lost by leaving that stuff.

            [–]FirstSonOfGwyn 3ポイント4ポイント  (0子コメント)

            I suspect people would still have wanted to hang out with Mike Vick, even if he stopped rolling up to the dog fights.

            [–]derp0815 8ポイント9ポイント  (0子コメント)

            I had trouble hating M. Vick

            I think it wasn't hard at the point where he said he regrets being caught. He never apologized for torturing and murdering dogs and stealing pets from people's lawns to be used as bait.

            [–]thereisonlyoneme 5ポイント6ポイント  (12子コメント)

            I have a little more sympathy for Vick based on your post, but I still won't forgive him for what he did. That's going to take a lot more time for me.

            [–]NarwhalNarwhalswim 15ポイント16ポイント  (6子コメント)

            It is not like this guy was some poor kid who never left his neighborhood and had limited access to education. He is a multi millionaire who has access to all the information he could want, who has been all over the world... he does not get to rest of the defense that he "didn't know any better". I absolutely do not forgive him and never will. The thought of someone doing that to my girl... god she wouldn't hurt a fly. (She tried to be friends with a grasshopper yesterday...he declined, she was sad) makes me want to punch a fucking wall. I know you are not saying he has any defense in what he did, I just got all riled up and had to vent.

            [–]ItsthetallguyTuor 2ポイント3ポイント  (4子コメント)

            I understand. I'm not looking to change minds, just that people consider that kind of thing. It is sad that dogfighting is the father son bonding type thing that they did.

            [–]thereisonlyoneme 1ポイント2ポイント  (3子コメント)

            Well hopefully he is influencing people to do the right thing now.

            [–]ItsthetallguyTuor 5ポイント6ポイント  (2子コメント)

            If you mean Vick, he is. If you mean my friend, he's married with two kids and a college graduate with major influence I. Right direction. his dad....was shot during a drug deal to my knowledge, so he is not.

            [–]thereisonlyoneme 2ポイント3ポイント  (1子コメント)

            I meant Vick. That's terrible about your friend's dad. So tragic.

            [–]PitCrew917 1ポイント2ポイント  (9子コメント)

            Thats what I'm saying. We need to educate people not hate them for it. Its what they know and even if we can't change them because its so engrained in their culture. But maybe the next generation can see that what is happening is wrong and needs to be stopped.

            [–]zkhdvfwjhdcvjgvf 18ポイント19ポイント  (8子コメント)

            Im sorry, but is ABSOLUTELY wrong, culture or not, and anyone engaged in it needs to be vilified, prosecuted and shunned. There is no equivocation here. While i dont advocate hate, anyone who engages in cruelty for entertainment deserves to be severely punished including rebuke, censure and criminal prosecution.

            [–]UpInSmoke1 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

            no no no. We must patronize them and learn to accept their nonsense. That's called progress!

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              [–]SmashYourLeague 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

              Why is it black neighborhoods? I used to live in a Spanish neighborhood that has a very high percentage of homes owning extremely large overly built mean pitbulls with scars on them. Hmmmm, fishy.

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                [–]donteatmenooo 9ポイント10ポイント  (0子コメント)

                Honestly, I'm a (white, middle-class) American and even I didn't realize that it was such a big thing.

                [–]areyouadog 25ポイント26ポイント  (1子コメント)

                Wait, HOLD UP.

                Maybe this definitely-not-stormfront-related throwaway is telling the truth, but it's still anecdotal data from one guy. I had trouble finding good stats on the Internet, but I will speak to my own conflicting experience.

                Most dogfighting I know about is rural and very, very white. Bored rednecks with the space to hold dogs and train them, etc. The high profile arrest of Michael Vick, and the statistically well-supported over reporting of black crime, notwithstanding, there are lots of white people involved in dogfighting too.

                That said, dogfighting is definitely NOT a major part of "black culture" whatever the fuck that is. Most black people are not down with brutality and blood sport. This post is pretty typical pandering to the popular racist notion that black folks are less than human and act like crazy apes.

                Tl;dr Don't listen to this Nazi psycho, black people aren't rounding up all the pit bulls.

                [–]faployst 4ポイント5ポイント  (0子コメント)

                Yeah totally not just a black issue. A small percentage of the community, black and white, engages in it. Where I'm from we have lots of criminals that get these dogs and train them to attack and be violent. Most of the crime in my town is committed by whites, because my town is mostly white. Street thugs are the ones doing this, and stupid street thugs come in all colours

                [–]ColoniseMars 3ポイント4ポイント  (6子コメント)

                I thought it was something for south-americans and romanians.

                [–]mlkk22 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

                what did he say?

                [–]Skullface22 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

                One of our neighbors fought pitbulls and my grandma snitched on them in a heart beat. The guy was arrested and we haven't seen him since.

                [–]ramonipepperoni 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

                You haven't been to Mexico ehhh

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                  [–]koolaidistheshit 55ポイント56ポイント  (21子コメント)

                  Can confirm, got invited to a dog fight in a black neighborhood in Berkeley. I said no way, and asked what happens to the loser.

                  They said they bleed out or get shot. All while laughing. I felt awful for weeks after. Still makes me sick.. Anyone who could approve of this being done to a house pet who only wants to make you happy should be killed in the same Manor.

                  I'd be the worst person to have prosecute these monsters. I was physically I'll for weeks after I had to put my dog down. I kept seeing her little eyes all watery when they gave her the shot, right before she went limp, it still kills me inside.. Like a very deep pain that makes me super uncomfortable. I loved that dog more than myself. I'd have Givin everything I had to stop all the pain the cancer gave her.. In the end we couldn't and it had to happen. Anyone who wants to see that happen to a little animal needs to be exterminated.

                  [–]Cricket620 9ポイント10ポイント  (2子コメント)

                  I'd have played along until I got the time and location and reported it to the cops and local animal shelter. A good dog fighting bust would be great PR for Berkeley's police and humane society.

                  [–]PitCrew917 22ポイント23ポイント  (15子コメント)

                  Another horrible part of dog fighting is the use of "bait dogs". These are dogs they usually steal from homes and then use to teach the fighters how to kill. They are torn apart to pieces and left to die.

                  It disgusts me. I grew up in a home that loved our dogs and I was taught to respect all living things. Black people dont learn that. They see dogs and other animals as "things" and they dont really have any attachment to them. I used to get clowned on for treating my dogs so good. They said I treated my dog "like a white person does". The only somewhat logical explanation I ever got was something along the lines of "why should they care about the rights of an animal when they have their own to worry about"

                  The whole thing is so backwards and cruel. I have devoted much of my life to spreading the word and helping these animals who do not deserve this life.

                  [–]VladimirZharkov 12ポイント13ポイント  (0子コメント)

                  I don't know what the fuck I would do if I ever caught someone trying that shit with my dogs, but I can tell you it wouldn't be good.

                  [–]ondaren 5ポイント6ポイント  (1子コメント)

                  They said I treated my dog "like a white person does".

                  Is being compassionate and caring bad? What a strange worldview.

                  [–]phasers_to_stun 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

                  But that also goes back into the school system. In predominantly black schools, kids who do well in class, get good grades, engage in discussions with the teacher, etc, are bullied and called "acting white". It's derogatory and seen as bullying.

                  How is being smart a bad thing? How is it that if you're smart and want to make a change, it's bad? And on top of that, how the hell is it akin to being white? Tons of white people are dummies. I just don't get it, but it is a serious issue.

                  I mean they're basically saying that black people can't be smart or well spoken, which is bullshit.

                  [–]SirWaffleMan 13ポイント14ポイント  (2子コメント)

                  "Black people don't learn that."

                  Seems like you may be over generalizing this a bit.

                  [–]opuap 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

                  yeah I was with him all the way up until that part

                  [–]mpinzon93 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

                  Be careful to generalize. There's also a big difference between black Americans, and black people who are legitimately of African families(completely different culture). I know many many (i think all of the people i know) dark skinned people who love their pets and are completely against this type of thing.

                  [–]poepoepoe33 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

                  You sir, are amazing. Please let me know what I can do to contribute.

                  [–]DobbyChief 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

                  Holy fucking fuck. They steal dogs to have them ripped apart?!

                  [–]gxleone 1ポイント2ポイント  (1子コメント)

                  I was taught to respect all living things. Black people dont learn that.

                  Holy shit.

                  [–]lutherbl1sset 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

                  the fact that this comment only has two upvotes is all you need to know about this thread...

                  [–]shroomsonpizza 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

                  Shit bro. A section of black people see it that way. You can't just generalize an entire group of people based on your anecdotal experience with a few. Some black people see it that way and some don't.

                  [–]j_platypus 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

                  I adopted a dog from the humane society that was a failed fighting dog. She was a beautiful red nose pitbull, and after she refused to fight they used her as a bait dog. Luckily the place got busted, and she was deemed adoptable. She was still young when I got her, so I was able to give her 13 years of good, loving, non violent life. Best dog I've ever had. RIP gretchen.

                  [–]areyouadog -2ポイント-1ポイント  (0子コメント)

                  anyone who has actually spent time with black people knows what a goddamn liar you are. I don't know what your game is but I would guess it starts with "s" and ends with "tormfront."

                  [–]Mammal-k 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

                  I really don't understand. It seems in a lot of places being poor brings our a much more caring side to people, yet in America it seems to bring out violence and psychopathic tendencies.

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                    [–]Cashew_Biscuit 19ポイント20ポイント  (2子コメント)

                    I blame DMX.

                    [–]PitCrew917 32ポイント33ポイント  (1子コメント)

                    DMX was a HUGE dog fighter (probably on the level of Vick) and was busted in the late 90s / early 2000s (when he started getting famous). He got out of the charges by doing an "anti dog fighting" PSA (which was bullshit). Then continued having stables of dogs at his house and dozens of dog skeletons buried in his yard. He is scum (well I guess thats obvious now... but he always has been scum).

                    [–]HeallunRumblebelly 15ポイント16ポイント  (0子コメント)

                    I don't think DMX has claimed to be anything other than scum though. He says he smokes crack and then he smokes crack.

                    [–]duchessdugan 13ポイント14ポイント  (4子コメント)

                    I'm from Northern Ireland and dog fighting is very much a big thing over here, including the rest of the UK.

                    On a few occasions I have been driving home in the early hours of the morning after work, and have passed cars that have been pulled over, boot open and full of dog cages. Apparently people think this is the best time to transport their dogs to different locations. Until then I didn't believe it really went on in places other than England. It really makes me sad :/

                    [–]FutureFruit 1ポイント2ポイント  (1子コメント)

                    Obviously you are lying because only blacks like dog fighting. /s

                    [–]duchessdugan 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

                    Oh of course. I understand it is far less commonly associated with race over here and more tracksuit clad scumbags and paramilitaries. But I would attribute that to the very low black population over here compared to the rest of the UK.

                    [–]HS27 0ポイント1ポイント  (1子コメント)

                    I'm from Northern Ireland, and have never once seen this. Where are you travelling through?

                    [–]duchessdugan 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

                    Depending on whether or not i'm dropping workmates off, through the city centre of Belfast and up through Ballysillan, then towards Newtownabbey. Otherwise through the center of Belfast and up the motorway. It was a residential area near Ballysillan I saw them most recently.

                    [–]Pattern_Is_Movement 16ポイント17ポイント  (2子コメント)

                    Living in Philly when someone asks what kind of dog we have I always joke and say, "just your standard Philly pit bull mutt". Just about everyone I know with a dog has one. Ours followed my room mate home one night.

                    [–]Picklina 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

                    Lol, mine is a "North Philly Mutt", same thing, I suppose. And ours was born in the winter, outside, with an "owner", but not a caretaker. My poor friends and family have been blessed with the rest of the litter. They've proven to be true street dogs, annoyingly smart and can and will eat any and all non-food items with no complications.

                    [–]koolaidistheshit 5ポイント6ポイント  (0子コメント)

                    Good for you guys for taking him in! This makes me happy. I bet that dog adores you, treat it right!

                    [–]derp0815 3ポイント4ポイント  (0子コメント)

                    Michael Vick

                    Where I stopped buying Nike. It's not much, but I can't do a lot from across an ocean. Sadly, this is going to be painted as racism just because it thrives most in certain social environments that happen to be majorly comprised of certain ethnicities.

                    [–]myopicview 7ポイント8ポイント  (1子コメント)

                    Vick even said that it was a part of Black culture during the trial!

                    [–]WayRadRobotTheories 10ポイント11ポイント  (24子コメント)

                    Preface: Please read this all the way through and understand that this is not a defense of dog-fighting in any way shape or form.

                    That said, I think it's important to understand that some cultures don't view dogs as pets. I do view dogs as pets - I have a rescue pit; she genuinely cares about affection and maintaining the happiness of the family pack more than any other dog I've known. The sweetest dog I can imagine. I cannot imagine anyone ever having hurt her, or any other dog, anywhere, at any time.

                    But we need to be aware that our cultural understanding isn't shared universally. That doesn't make animal abuse excusable. But if you want to win this fight, you have to truly understand the mentality of cultures that view dogs as working animals. They are for protection. For many involved in these activities, life is not easy, and protection is an everyday, moment-to-moment concern. Caring for an animal (financially, etc...) that provides no immediate existential benefit is a socio-economic luxury that some cultures haven't inculcated yet.

                    This shit is horrible, and should never happen. But before you completely write off an entire culture or demographic, remember that they don't automatically share all your assumptions and privileges. Start there, and help affect change by shaping attitudes.

                    [–]baskandpurr 2ポイント3ポイント  (2子コメント)

                    The problem is that it isn't acceptable to point out the problem. The west seems to be paralised with received guilt every time it comes to discussing cultural differences. You can't discuss an issue that relates to the culture of one skin colour or one race without being accused of racism.

                    I keep trying it on Reddit and each time I am accused of racism. I will be accused of racism for writing this. The assumption will be that somebody accused me of racism so therefore I am racist. The facts, the arguments, seem to be irrelevant. Race is not allowed to create a topic for debate. You are not allowed to discuss the elephant even when it is staring you in the face.

                    This denial can be extremely harmful. The Rotherham child rape scandal is a perfect example. Look at the bottom of that article and you can see there were several gangs behaving the same way. Derby, Oxford, Bristol, Telford, Peterborough, Banbury and Aylesbury. The majority of the gang members were Muslims from Pakistan but apparently thats an offensive implication rather than a fact to be considered.

                    [–]WayRadRobotTheories 0ポイント1ポイント  (1子コメント)

                    No, I don't think you're being racist. My point was to go deeper and point out that the reason that dog-fighting is prevalent in one particular racial subset is because of factors that need to be considered if you hope to eradicate dog-fighting. What I am arguing against - and I don't necessarily want to imply that this is your attitude - is the idea that they share our collective assumptions about dogs, but fight them anyway for some sort of sick pointless sport. It's just a very unexamined, surface-level view, and I think to solve the problem, you have to go deeper and try to understand people, even if you think what they're doing is reprehensible.

                    [–]baskandpurr 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

                    Then I think we are both arguing for the same thing. My point is only that you can't address the problem by denying it. Of course there are reason for cultural differences, why poor people do things that richer people don't, why wealthy people commit more fraud. Right now, we aren't addressing these things at all. They are swept under a rug and I think that leads to less understanding and more suspicion overall. At some point, we have to choose what is acceptable in our culture and defend it, otherwise we go backwards and become complict in other culture's harms. Thats not to say that we are ideal but we haven't done honour killings or burning witches for a long time.

                    [–]zkhdvfwjhdcvjgvf 5ポイント6ポイント  (13子コメント)

                    You win this fight by prosecuting everyone involved.It doesnt matter if they share my assumptions, causing suffering like this is wrong and you are defending it with 'culture'. Anyone engaged in dog fighting should be severely and heavily punished, no excuses or quarter given.

                    [–]PlsGimmeTriad 2ポイント3ポイント  (1子コメント)

                    I think he is saying it's not a matter of prosecution but one of changing a way of group think.

                    [–]OliveGreen87 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

                    I think that's entirely correct. Attack the root of the cause, not just the problem after the fact.

                    [–]WayRadRobotTheories 6ポイント7ポイント  (7子コメント)

                    and you are defending it with 'culture'

                    sigh

                    So I was right in my worry that nobody would attempt to understand what I wrote, even with a massive disclaimer about how I wasn't defending dog-fighting.

                    [–]Uzgob[🍰] 3ポイント4ポイント  (1子コメント)

                    No they just believe they are right and refuse to accept anything different. In other cultures eating dogs is completely acceptable, here it isn't. The first step to changing a culture is to accept that they are different, and then try to convince them why they should go through the effort to change THEIR culture. They don't see anything wrong with it so you have to build a reason with them as to why its wrong. But people don't want to work and would rather just throw them in a cage than try to have an honest conversation to actually change things.

                    [–]WayRadRobotTheories 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

                    I appreciate your comments. It's nice to see that I'm not alone.

                    [–]zkhdvfwjhdcvjgvf 1ポイント2ポイント  (1子コメント)

                    I understand what you wrote, and I entertained it, but analysis shows its simple moral relativism.

                    [–]WayRadRobotTheories 5ポイント6ポイント  (0子コメント)

                    ...

                    But... it isn't. At all. Moral relativism would be if I were excusing the behavior. I'm not. I'm saying that actually fixing the problem requires an understanding that not everyone has the same assumptions to start with.

                    You're still missing the point badly because you want this to be an objective good vs. evil argument and you want desperately for my argument to be defending dog-fighting and/or dog-fighters. Sorry, friend. It's not.

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                      [–]The_Amazing_Shaggy 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

                      Incarcerating everyone involved is going to work out curbing the problem about as well for animal abuse as it has for drug abuse, which is to say not at all. As someone who has spent time in the rural south before, you're going to have to change a lot of minds if you want it to stop. There just aren't enough prisons in the US for it to be the only method of curtailing the issue.

                      [–]OliveGreen87 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

                      I don't think s/he is defending it with culture. It's not an excuse, but it is an explanation. S/he is saying that once you recognize the problem - in this case, culture - you can more effectively combat the cause of the problem.

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                        [–]sam_hammich 2ポイント3ポイント  (1子コメント)

                        before you completely write off an entire culture or demographic

                        I certainly did not read that as the purpose of the comment, at all.

                        [–]WayRadRobotTheories 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

                        I didn't either. But there is a very absolutist argument being made that assumes all people think of dogs the exact same way. You need to change cultural views FIRST, and THEN you can solve the problem. What I see is an assumption that black inner-city dog-fighting is just a fun pastime or sport. It's developed a competitive aspect, but only as an outgrowth of a need to find the best protection animal around.

                        [–]nthftf 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

                        Similar to a farm dog that lives outside and doesn't get much love from the owners, if any at all. They're a tool and not seen as much more than that. Or a guard dog that lives outside of a suburban house. Some people may not agree with it, but you should at least be able to see their point of view.

                        But when the dogs start being used as tools to inflict pain and suffering then things have definitely crossed the line.

                        Dogs are man's best friend not because they love us, but because they are an extremely useful tool that helps us perform a job. But there is absolutely no reason to be using them for unnecessary violence. Fighting dogs doesn't help us put food on the table or protect our loved ones and this is not the way to train a guard dog.

                        [–]Nacksche 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

                        But if you want to win this fight, you have to truly understand the mentality of cultures that view dogs as working animals. They are for protection. For many involved in these activities, life is not easy, and protection is an everyday, moment-to-moment concern

                        How is having working animals or livestock the same as having them fight to the death for fun? This doesn't seem to be any different then bull fighting; somehow culturally acceptable animal cruelty. I mean I get it, if you have been going to bull fights with your family as a boy and it's great fun for the whole family, of course you think that's an ok think to do. How that works when at the same you have a pet cat at home beats me, I feel guilty for all the $2 chicken that have shitty lives and shitty deaths so I can eat cheap.

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                          [–]here4DaBacon 11ポイント12ポイント  (6子コメント)

                          It's 2015 you can't talk negatively about other races than white people.

                          [–]itsmybootyduty 0ポイント1ポイント  (3子コメント)

                          Oh my god. The end completely crushed me. I hope this isn't a stupid question to ask but I seem to have missed the reason why we have to euthanize the dogs that have been fighting rather than adopt them out to people who can take care of them? Asking a legit question here because I just died a little inside watching that one puppy get euthanized.

                          [–]ganon0 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

                          I'm definitely no expert, but there are a couple of reasons I can think of:

                          • Usually in order to train dogs to be good fighters, their owners purposely make them as aggressive as possible. Because of this, the dogs will lash out at just about anything for no reason, making them too dangerous to keep alive. If they've been in a lot of fights, that will also make them aggressive because they will view fighting as a solution to a threat (which could be something that seems innocent to us, like another animal in the same area or someone trying to pet your dog).

                          • Dogs can sustain terrible injuries from fights that either force euthanization (like the dog is in so much pain that can't be fixed that it's better to put it down) or will require tons of medical care in the future that no one wants to pay for.

                          • This one's something I'm not sure about (so I could be way off base), but dog trainers often breed dogs for things including aggression. If you have a dog, even a puppy, that comes from a breeding line selected for aggression, it may not be safe to adopt that dog out. This is part of a nature/nurture argument, and I don't know what side science falls on.

                          If that 3rd point is incorrect, I'm sure someone here will let me know about it :)

                          [–]FlyingVhee 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

                          I think this comment sums it up pretty well.

                          [–]Elaborate_vm_hoax 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

                          The number of reasons is actually pretty staggering.

                          • Shelters are overloaded. They are simply full in most of the U.S. They can't keep every animal that comes in, they have to be adopted out, sent to a no-kill shelter (also full), or put down. It's a brutal reality, support your local shelters.

                          • The above leads to only easily adoptable animals being kept at shelters. Fighting dogs can be incredibly dangerous without proper handling. They learned early on that every interaction with another dog was a fight to the death, this survival instinct is very difficult to break. There simply aren't enough handlers out there with this kind of skill or experience.

                          • Next up you get the breed-specific issue. Pitties aren't easily adoptable due to a lot of stereotypes (good or bad, I'm not here to pass judgement or make that argument), they're likely to be killed even if they are adoptable. Many people that want Pitbulls can't have them for numerous reasons, like the fact that their homeowners or renters insurance could drop them because of the breed of dog.

                          It's a much worse situation than a lot of people realize, but the more people hear about it the better.

                          [–]Purpleclone 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

                          Hear that? I think it's a dog whistle. How apt.

                          No, you didn't create a throwaway because you thought that you would get down voted for dog whistling. Everybody and their mother knows how much reddit loves to be "factual" and "unafraid" when talking about "inner-city" communities. No, you created a throwaway because then people couldn't check you on your claim of being a minority, and therefore in the eyes of the hive mind the dog whistling sets easier in their heads.

                          See, the least you can do when throwing around the whole, "No man, but statistics can justify my racism" is actually put statistics. It appears however that even that requirement has fallen to the wayside.

                          [–]Keerikkadan91 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

                          Ya dun goofed man. You lost out on that sweet karma.

                          [–]Tomblie 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

                          As a white man, I don't feel that I just push it under the rug. The problem is that because I'm white, saying that dog fighting exists because of black people, I'll just be labeled as racist

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                            [–]LiamGP 14ポイント15ポイント  (7子コメント)

                            It's kinda the same as bull fighting in Spain, except because that's a 'cultural' thing, it's still legal! The Spanish don't see the problem with it though and thousands of them will go pay money to watch a fight.

                            [–]Jaereth 9ポイント10ポイント  (4子コメント)

                            See the thing about bullfighting is there's always a chance the human can die as well. I don't think they should be doing it, but I do love it when the bull is able to kill a Matador as well.

                            [–]thefightingmongoose 4ポイント5ポイント  (1子コメント)

                            Not really. It's incredibly contrived. Yes, Bullfighters do occasionally get hurt, but let's not make like it's some fair fight.

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                              [–]dizao 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

                              The Spanish don't see the problem

                              Bullfighting has been banned in certain areas of Spain already and there is a pretty sizeable nationwide push to have it completely banned.

                              But yes, there are plenty of people who will pay to see the spectacle.

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                                [–]PitBullTherapy 20ポイント21ポイント  (21子コメント)

                                That would be a Baltimore Bully Crew sweatshirt. I have the same one. edit:http://www.baltimorebullycrew.com/

                                [–]grimfel 1ポイント2ポイント  (1子コメント)

                                Link for the lazy?

                                [–]grimfel 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                Ninja edit: I don't even have a dog right now, but I'm getting a puppy in a week. Won't be a pitty, but I'd still rock the shit out of that hoodie.

                                edit: Crap, I can't even edit right.

                                [–]Elaborate_vm_hoax 0ポイント1ポイント  (4子コメント)

                                Damn, it's not available on their website.

                                [–]PitBullTherapy 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                I just sent them a message asking if there is anywhere to purchase online.

                                [–]Seanstinchcomb 0ポイント1ポイント  (1子コメント)

                                That is me in the picture so I'm not some crazy person. We have hoodies available. We just came out with a new hoodie that has the Maryland flag. Message bully crew on Facebook or email. We can help out

                                [–]Elaborate_vm_hoax 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                Will do, I'd love to grab something like that. I'm not even in that area of the country, but it seems like you guys do good work that's worth supporting.

                                [–]PitBullTherapy 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                http://www.baltimorebullycrew.com/store/ hoodies will be up by the end of the weekend

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                                  [–]mega_trex 22ポイント23ポイント  (16子コメント)

                                  Initiate pitbull arguments

                                  [–]kwebber321[S] 12ポイント13ポイント  (13子コメント)

                                  See top comments.

                                  [–]CoffeeAddict64 -2ポイント-1ポイント  (6子コメント)

                                  You can turn a labrador into a vicious piece of shit if you neglect and abuse it enough. All dogs have the potential to become the nasty strays you see in India. Pitbull's have lots of energy and lots of muscle giving them the capability of destruction but they also have the potential for lots of love and will give back what you give them ten fold.

                                  [–]mega_trex 4ポイント5ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                  All dogs can be aggressive. Only some have the genetics that make them physically capable of doing serious damage or killing.

                                  [–]rrpjdisc 2ポイント3ポイント  (3子コメント)

                                  Pitbull's have lots of energy and lots of muscle giving them the capability of destruction

                                  It's not just that though, it's in their DNA in how they were bred that makes them more culpable for violent activity.

                                  Though, obviously, the majority of the time they're gonna be fine if they're raised decently well.

                                  [–]CoffeeAddict64 1ポイント2ポイント  (1子コメント)

                                  And that's what I think it comes down to. It's easy to raise a pitbull to attack and be violent but I could do the very same with a German Shepherd. It wouldn't be because Shepherds are a violent breed but because they learn easy and are eager to please. It all comes down to conditioning and what the dog learns as rewarded behavior.

                                  [–]FutureFruit 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                  Yup. The most valuable trait in a dog is loyalty.

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                                        [–]CopsCantRead 3ポイント4ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                        As well as race arguments.

                                        Really, this thread got racist fast.

                                        [–]tinyirishgirl 12ポイント13ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                        Precious pup.

                                        [–]LiftAllDaybaybay 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                        pitbulls are violent as hell...

                                        [–]anoneko 3ポイント4ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                        Another misunderstool pitbull, I see.

                                        [–]slightlylessobvious 3ポイント4ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                        The back of the hoodie helps too

                                        [–]Snapta 2ポイント3ポイント  (1子コメント)

                                        Wonder why pitbulls are the number one dog for fighting dogs...

                                        [–]j-dawg-a-licious 5ポイント6ポイント  (3子コメント)

                                        My husband and I rescued a Pitt two months ago. He was nervous because of their reputation for violence, I was less nervous because I'd had previous experience with this amazing breed. Best decision we ever made. He's my husband's little wing-man and my cat's new bestie.

                                        [–]Tron_Kitten 4ポイント5ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                        Be careful though, my buddy had one that was the sweetest thing every, he had it since a puppy and it got along amazingly with his cat. He had trained it really well and had no problems but one day it just randomly mauled his cat and killed the poor thing. He had it put down after that

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                                          [–]AintGotNoTimeFoThis 3ポイント4ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                          More quality content from /r/pitbull

                                          [–]Harlox 4ポイント5ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                          Pitbull owners are constantly doing damage control and trying to save face.

                                          [–]zGoldenGiraffe 3ポイント4ポイント  (1子コメント)

                                          I use to have a blue-nose Pitbull, it was so friendly and loved to play around when i would walk her people just seemed to stare and lock eyes with my dog like they were making sure she wasn't going to attack or anything. The ignorance of some people bewilder me. They're just like people in the sense that if you teach them bad habits, they're going to keep those bad habits. so just teach them good habits!

                                          [–]Ritz_Frisbee 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                          I had a friend that had a really sweet pit. Then one day he came home and the dog had backed his new roommate into a corner. He grabbed for the dogs collar and it whipped around and bit half his thumb off.

                                          Really a bummer for him because he was a pretty good Fifa player.

                                          [–]PenguinApples -1ポイント0ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                          So cute!! My lab is quite old and has so many gray hairs on his face, but he still acts like a puppy whenever he sees someone. He gives me a face similar to this cute pit. I'm going to go hug him while I still can..

                                          [–]xboxexpert -1ポイント0ポイント  (1子コメント)

                                          /u/dogmods

                                          [–]dogmods 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                          yessssss I love those skooshy pibble faces =D

                                          [–]garysaidiebbandflow 0ポイント1ポイント  (1子コメント)

                                          Anyone know the photographer credit?

                                          [–]whitefeatheronsnow -1ポイント0ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                          even the hat looks happy...

                                          [–]erinelizabethx 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                          OK, I actually said "aww.." and then remembered the name of this sub. Quality submission!

                                          [–]futureprez2016 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                          Cock fighting is an issue but I've never seen pictures of a guy rescuing a chicken. It's always fighting dogs or racing dogs that get the attention

                                          [–]grimfel -1ポイント0ポイント  (1子コメント)

                                          Stealing the shit out of this for my Facebook page.

                                          [–]MrEarthly 0ポイント1ポイント  (1子コメント)

                                          I want that sweater!

                                          [–]petplan 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                          Love!

                                          [–]my_dick_said_this 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                          I used to hate pit bulls. I've seen too many just reinforce the stereotype. But my ex didn't have anywhere to take her puppy so I said I would. Now I don't know what to think.

                                          [–]Seanstinchcomb 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                          Thanks for posting this! This is actually my dog, Delilah, and I. She was rescued by Baltimore Bully Crew. You can buy the hoodie I'm wearing at baltimorebullycrew.com. Delilah has her cgc and is a therapy dog now. She is amazing

                                          [–]BeLucky -1ポイント0ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                          Great message too.

                                          [–]jenipurty 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                          Love this, love the dog, and i love the sweater.

                                          [–]Strawberrycocoa 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                          I think I'd like to adopt a pit bull/staffordshire terrier one day. The ones that aren't trained for aggression always look so sweet and loving.

                                          [–]marky_mark301 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                          The hoodie is made by a group called the Baltimore Bully Crew, awesome people behind a great cause...they have awesome merch too http://www.baltimorebullycrew.com/

                                          [–]Diggy-Dog 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                          It's all fun until the SOB bites off some poor person's face.

                                          [–]GeraldMungo 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                          I thought dogfighting was just a problem down south. This post is real eye opener. But with so much activity, why aren't the authorities getting wind of this? Whether it be undercover work, or informants it shouldn't be that difficult to break these rings. Are cops and politicians also participating in this?

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