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[–]Pidoubleg 45ポイント46ポイント  (571子コメント)

Islam is a scourge

[–]gikarikun 167ポイント168ポイント  (196子コメント)

So was Catholicism during the Crusades, your point? In another 100 years some other small minority of some group will cause issues.

[–]Kev_Mentos 153ポイント154ポイント  (93子コメント)

To say that Islam's troublemakers constitute a small minority group is not just ignorance, it's an unashamed lie. Why do you lie to yourself and others? Is the truth so hard to face? There are hundreds of thousands of Islamic extremists all over the world with enough numbers and influence to undermine entire countries/regions and they are supported financially and morally by millions of so-called moderates.

[–]brightsunnydaytoday 12ポイント13ポイント  (3子コメント)

He probably never even really thought about it. He is just a kind of parrot. He thinks that's what he is supposed to say.

[–]WE_ARE_THE_MODS -5ポイント-4ポイント  (26子コメント)

It's not that Islam is a minority, it's that the ones causing problems are a minority of Islam, you uneducated cunt.

[–]HiddenRonin 12ポイント13ポイント  (21子コメント)

But they're not. Not by any measure and repeating it like some kind of PC, SJW mantra doesn't make it true either.

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      [–]descuidadojose 7ポイント8ポイント  (4子コメント)

      what, that is not what he said. at least it isn't what I got out of it. K maybe a little. I think what he meant was that some small minority people with a little known religion now will begin causing trouble in 100 or whatever years.

      [–]loyaltofearmain 22ポイント23ポイント  (4子コメント)

      some other small minority of some group will cause issues.

      Can you even read properly? Small minority OF Islam.

      Edit: Why am I getting downvoted? So ironic since this is a truth that you guys can't handle. He said it RIGHT THERE.

      [–]Kev_Mentos 7ポイント8ポイント  (2子コメント)

      Because contrary to the popular myth, extremists and their supporters are NOT a small minority of Islam.

      [–]bluest88 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

      Apparently the truth is hard to face.

      [–]Ilsamh 17ポイント18ポイント  (15子コメント)

      He meant that the people causing problems, extremists, are a minority.

      Most Muslims are just as amicable and accepting of others as every other religious, ethnic, or racial group.

      The people causing problems, from al Qaeda, ISIS, Boko Haram, whatever, they rally support with religion, but they're all just sociopaths. Religion doesn't mean anything to them. You can lecture them all day about how their actions aren't in line with the scripture they claim to follow, and it won't change anything. These extremists' leaders are animals in human shape, only caring about themselves and their needs, taking from whoever is weak or vulnerable to satisfy their own twisted world view and concept of survival, and lying to warp others to get support so that they aren't immediately taken and executed by level-headed people they want to live in peace.

      This has been the normal state of affairs for all of human history, and modern, developed society has come the farthest in eradicating the survival stresses that lead to these individuals. The only sociopaths that can prosper in the developed world now are high functioning, and they are the ones becoming the super wealthy, willing to pay, or become, politicians to further their empty acquisition of materiel and power. Willing to destabilize a country on the other side of the world, sparking a series of revolutions and wars to secure the resources and cooperation of whatever puppet governments they can.

      TL;DR: The problem isn't Muslims, it's the assholes in the West that keep starting wars in their homelands and propagating the shitty conditions that lead to social dysfunction.

      [–]drunk_fool 9ポイント10ポイント  (3子コメント)

      It's funny how a man can declare a holy war in the name of Islam, blow himself up to kill infidels and literally say beforehand that he is doing this because God wants him to (which is directly supported by the scripture), and yet some people say that his religion is not a problem.

      This is like saying that extreme fascism is not a problem, Hitler was just a fucked up guy. Or that extreme racism is not a problem, slave owners and so forth were just otherwise evil people.

      When you see a doctrine that prescribes immoral things and a person who claims to follow that doctrine and then does those immoral things, you ought to understand that the doctrine is problematic.

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        [–]ghallit 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

        He was talking about extremists within the Islam community.

        "small minority OF some group"

        Learn to read

        [–]windmillofdoom 13ポイント14ポイント  (0子コメント)

        "small minority OF some group"

        or for idiots like you could be read as

        "small group within islam(or some other group)"

        [–]DarthGregor 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

        He was it was a small minority of a group, not that Islam is small. Read better before you get all excited and type in bold

        [–]Super_C_Complex 1ポイント2ポイント  (2子コメント)

        no worse than Christians in countries like the US attempting to undermine entire countries as well.

        If you think Islam is a problem, then you have to admit that Christianity is as well.

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          [–]Jazziecatz 287ポイント288ポイント  (46子コメント)

          Because its not the time of the fucking crusades! The crusades were hundreds of years ago in a primitive time this is the modern world! History is no excuse for actions happening now.

          [–]spacecanucks -1ポイント0ポイント  (0子コメント)

          Because white people haven't been monsters in recent history. There was no such thing as the Holocaust or the Congo Free State. There were no white people lynching people for looking at a white girl the wrong way. White people never beat gay people to death simply because those people were different and their religion told them so.

          White soldiers never massacred anyone in My Lai. There isn't an Asian dictator running a hermit state where people are worked to death/used as guinea pigs. White people have never interfered with the autonomy of another country, South America is like that naturally!

          What the hell is wrong with you? There are a lot of wonderful Muslims. A lot of progressive Muslims. I know this because I live in an area full of them. Are there some batshit fringe groups? Yes.

          Those batshit fringe groups love it when people shit on Islam. When people become so disenfranchised, then they are susceptible to being poached into cults. See: Scientology, the IRA, ISIS. There are bad eggs in every race and religion, you can't just demonise one group.

          edit: If you're going to downvote me, perhaps you could at least try to disprove what I'm saying.

          [–]Imperium_Dragon -1ポイント0ポイント  (0子コメント)

          History repeats itself. Always.

          [–]RoyalGush 134ポイント135ポイント  (22子コメント)

          One day, this too, will be a primitive time

          [–]cringingdouchechills -2ポイント-1ポイント  (1子コメント)

          I think you are being too optimistic about the future of the human race. Do you really think we'll make it another 1000 years?

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            [–]Maxfunky 5ポイント6ポイント  (0子コメント)

            Religion is an easy scapegoat. Shitty people in shitty situations do shitty things. Sometimes they justify it with religion. If Islam disappeared tommorow, literally none of the shit you blame on it would go with it.

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              [–]monkeyloover 0ポイント1ポイント  (5子コメント)

              You realize the first crusade was an attempt to liberate their own lands from foreign invaders, right?

              [–]Nerdyboy312 0ポイント1ポイント  (4子コメント)

              Not from the Muslims point of view, they lived in those areas and the foreign crusaders came and tried to kick them out

              [–]TynanSylvester 1ポイント2ポイント  (3子コメント)

              They had recently conquered those areas, which had been Christian for almost 1000 years before.

              [–]Nerdyboy312 0ポイント1ポイント  (2子コメント)

              But it was holy to them as well, and Muslims lived their for 1000 years as well

              [–]turret7 44ポイント45ポイント  (12子コメント)

              "it's ok because someone else did the same !"

              great logic bro

              [–]jesushitlerchrist 3ポイント4ポイント  (11子コメント)

              It's not that Islam should necessarily be excused for the destructive behavior of its members. It's that if you call Islam a scourge, then you need to include practically every world religion and political ideology in your declamation, since humans seem to be capable of heinous behavior in any socio-religious context.

              [–]Julian_Baynes 6ポイント7ポイント  (0子コメント)

              People don't want to hear that. This thread is incredibly ironic.

              [–]Aeto_the_Wizard -1ポイント0ポイント  (1子コメント)

              The point is though that the Crusades happened 600 years ago, while Islam is happening right now. Catholicism / Christianity may be destructive politically and socially but they at least don't go out and encourage their members to murder others anymore.

              [–]Salty_Dingo 6ポイント7ポイント  (2子コメント)

              Islam has been backwards and unhelpful to progress since the Khanates.

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                [–]sparks277 3ポイント4ポイント  (0子コメント)

                YOUR POINT?!??!?!! Your Point?! Small Minority!

                I have read a lot of stupid shit in reddit comments, but this one is in the top dozen.

                [–]descuidadojose 5ポイント6ポイント  (0子コメント)

                Catholicism still is a scourge, only a less potent one. All religions are. The fact that all religions have the potential to go bad doesn't excuse the ones that do.

                [–]lucius_aeternae 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

                Some other small minority....neither of those are minorities.

                [–]ThrowMeAwayPlease214 0ポイント1ポイント  (1子コメント)

                You mean the crusades caused directly by Islam?

                [–]Kharn0 8ポイント9ポイント  (1子コメント)

                The difference is that the church is centrally organized. So when it lost influence/changed people were less zealous overall.

                But since Islam is decentralized, if what your sheik says clashes with what another says, well, the infidels must die.

                Islam also allows polygamy, which Christianity never did. So the rich/powerful men in Islam take more than their fair share of the women, leaving many men without mates. This leads to more turbulence and the appeal of the afterlife.

                [–]UtMed 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

                The Crusades started in response to the Islamic invasion of Europe. They kicked them back to their own territory and took what else they could for a buffer zone. When the Europeans were kicked back out of the middle east, the Arabs were considered to have won the Crusades. Until it became convenient for the political points to pretend they lost in order to have a stronger negotiating position every time they came to the table with Israel.

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                  [–]EvisGamer 509ポイント510ポイント  (184子コメント)

                  *Religion is a scourge. FTFY

                  [–]Hardcoregasm 134ポイント135ポイント  (138子コメント)

                  Edgy

                  [–]Xeeoph 117ポイント118ポイント  (36子コメント)

                  I noticed you decided to say "edgy" to the guy who said "religion is a scourge" but not to the guy who said "Islam is a scourge." It gives me the impression you were more offended by one of the two, but I shouldn't assume.

                  What does "edgy" mean and why did only one of the comments draw out that response from you?

                  [–]lalliesaurus 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

                  It's more like he's calling him out on how one comment is much more risky to make than the other.

                  Saying "religion is a scourge" is a lot more in line with mainstream opinions and with the Reddit hivemind than the other.

                  It'd be like saying "Feminazi SJWs ruin everything" or "Fat people are unhealthy just need to eat to lose weight" on an AskReddit controversial opinions thread. It's such an obviously safe and frankly, not controversial thing for someone to say on Reddit since it falls in line with the hivemind opinion.

                  [–]UNBR34K4BL3 -3ポイント-2ポイント  (0子コメント)

                  It's called sarcasm, its meant to belittle his opinion

                  [–]EvisGamer 17ポイント18ポイント  (1子コメント)

                  Novel

                  [–]giraffaclops 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

                  That's the fucking point of this thread.

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                    [–]VakarianBottleBlast 62ポイント63ポイント  (2子コメント)

                    Who let the neckbeards out

                    Who who who

                    [–]Mr_Gilmore_Jr -1ポイント0ポイント  (4子コメント)

                    Certainly not going against the grain there. I'm not sure why everyone is so against any kind of religious organization in general. Hell, the main rules of Christianity are Love God and your fellow man. I wish everyone loved their fellow man, world peace right there.

                    [–]Im_gonna_rustle_you 0ポイント1ポイント  (2子コメント)

                    *the modern forms of religion, as institutionalized organizations, is a scourge

                    Religion is not inherently bad. I practice a "religion" that is in accordance to the scientific world, and teaches tolerance and love for all things (and there is pretty much no way to misinterpret that, so anybody trying to bend this to their twisted agenda will be found out immediately)

                    [–]CatnipFarmer -1ポイント0ポイント  (1子コメント)

                    If you think that all of the world's religions are equally harmful then you're an idiot.

                    Yes, Ben Carson style Christianity is pretty horrendous but for the most part Christianity has been neutered. The average Christian is religious for about 45 minutes on Sunday (if that).

                    [–]EvisGamer 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

                    I never said they were equally harmful. Clearly Islam (right now) is pretty fucked up. In the middle ages it was christianity. This sort of thing tends to go in cycles. But I don't recuse neutered Christians because they themselves aren't molesting choir boys or discriminating against gays or other religions (and, particularly, atheists). I blame the entire structure of organized religion as a tool for the elite to organize and propel the masses. It's been quite effective in the U.S. for literally holding the republican party together.

                    [–]Imperium_Dragon 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

                    Welp, time to hide in my flame proof bunker.

                    [–]theredeemer 0ポイント1ポイント  (2子コメント)

                    It's not a scourge, it's just stupid. People are allowed to be stupid.

                    [–]archerwizard -4ポイント-3ポイント  (4子コメント)

                    It's interesting: the greatest paradox of the 20th century is that the most violent and intolerant acts were performed by those who believed religion was violent and intolerant.

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                      [–]Boombachacha1 50ポイント51ポイント  (18子コメント)

                      Zealots are a scourge. The religion itself is not a bad one. It is how people twist it that makes it evil. You can focus on the bad parts that the zealots idealize or the good parts that the majority follow. In the end it is the person not the religion itself that determines their actions.

                      [–]thesynod 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

                      No. Religions can be bad. Scientology? Bad. Cults? Bad. Islam? Bad. Islam has a few facets that most people are willfully ignorant about. First - Mohammed spread his religion by the sword. Mecca and Medina were conquered cities, where the men were slaughtered and the women and children taken as sex slaves. Second - Mohammed was a slave owning pedophile. He "married" a 6 year old girl, but don't worry, he waited until she was 8 to fuck her. Third - Taqqiya - the so-called "holy" deception. Muslims are free to lie to get out of problems, and their faith encourages it.

                      There is a reason wherever Islam goes, rape and abuse of women and girls follows. It is present in Sweden, where 90% of rape is coming from Muslims. It is present in Britain, where 40,000 girls were groomed as sex slaves by Muslims. And it is present in Saudi Arabia's diplomats homes. There is a reason that this evil is omnipresent in Islam - because it is part of the wicked evil religion founded by a pedophile warlord.

                      [–]Bromlife 6ポイント7ポイント  (2子コメント)

                      The religion itself is not a bad one. It is how people twist it that makes it evil.

                      Provably false. It's not a stretch at all to classify the Quran as a book of horrible ideas.

                      [–]Devanismyname 2ポイント3ポイント  (11子コメント)

                      Doesn't Islam allow for slavery?

                      [–]descuidadojose 5ポイント6ポイント  (1子コメント)

                      no twisting necessary. the amount of people god kills in the old testament is more than ten thousand times what the devil managed. now tell me who is evil.

                      [–]foreverinLOL -2ポイント-1ポイント  (0子コメント)

                      Or maybe don't take the bible literally and keep in mind that it's also an account of history rather than a book that says what God told people to do and so it's ok for us to do it too. I mean if God changed from a vengeful bastard(old testament) to someone who preaches love to an extreme(new testament) does that mean he made a mistake? Or is it perhaps that the idea of God changed/evolved and one should look at the background instead of reading everything at face value. But yes it is twisted - as it is written vaguely in order to sound general and applicable for a community, so yeah you can pretty much explain all your actions by taking a quote out of context.

                      EDIT: Not just the bible any religious books really.

                      [–]equinoxaeonian 8ポイント9ポイント  (3子コメント)

                      Zionism is a scourge.

                      [–][deleted] 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

                      Both things can be a scourge.

                      We just need to map out all the scourges, I think. First before either of these, communism is a scourge.

                      [–]descuidadojose 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

                      Thats it! I'm cawling my loiyah you antisemedig basted!!!

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                        [–]RIP_Melone 3ポイント4ポイント  (2子コメント)

                        Most extremist issues have arisen in the last 60 years, mostly as a result of lack of stable government, and leaders spurring anti-western sentiment to their own advantage. To say that Islam is a scourge is a weak claim because it is based on the actions of the few and ignores other factors that may be more important

                        [–][deleted] -2ポイント-1ポイント  (1子コメント)

                        Why do you think Churchill and the gang put those governments there in the first place? To control Islam.

                        [–]jkennedy356 15ポイント16ポイント  (4子コメント)

                        Fun fact - did you know Islam forbids nearly all the things that. by way of ISIS and Al Qaeda, are attributed to it

                        EDIT: also there's cases of Buddhists slaughtering Jainists because they didn't respect Buddha. Most of the atrocities committed in the name of religion are committed by people who don't understand their own religion.

                        [–]a2aaron 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

                        [citation needed]

                        [–]DigNitty 5ポイント6ポイント  (0子コメント)

                        How Many of you are Normal Muslims?

                        [–]ohdearsweetlord 0ポイント1ポイント  (1子コメント)

                        *Humans working together to enforce self-serving ideas at the expense of others is a scourge.

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