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workinginacoalmine が 投稿

Long story short, my son got a ticket driving my car (WI). The officer entered my name and DL number on the ticket, not my son's. Searched the sub, found a few relevant threads. It looks like we should show up in court and they will correct the information.

Just wanted to say thanks.

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[–]goandtellthechildren 646ポイント647ポイント  (15子コメント)

Holy cow, someone who needed help actually searched the sub for relevant information instead of just posting a question that gets asked five times a day? Thank you, OP.

[–]AndreasTPC 168ポイント169ポイント  (10子コメント)

I would assume that a large amount of people search the sub, find the info they're looking for, and never make a post. We only see the ones that don't, since they are the ones posting. People who don't search might be in the minority for all we know.

[–]kitty_kat_ 32ポイント33ポイント  (6子コメント)

I search this sub all the time for stuff. I've only posted 1 or 2 times. Been on here for awhile :)

[–]PanRagon 24ポイント25ポイント  (5子コメント)

And how often do you get into legal trouble?

[–]faue 15ポイント16ポイント  (3子コメント)

Probably looking for real-life examples of their professor's hypos.

[–]MiaFeyEsq 14ポイント15ポイント  (1子コメント)

Actually just checked, and seems to be pretty workaday kind of stuff. Her questions are really well put together, and she always puts her state! Another good OP.

[–]thegirlleastlikelyto 3ポイント4ポイント  (0子コメント)

Probably looking for real-life examples of their professor's hypos.

Between specifics taught by professors, the need to "show your math," and the unfocused discussion on the sub itself, using /r/legaladvice to answer law school questions is worse than using legal advice for actual legal advice.

[–]kitty_kat_ 4ポイント5ポイント  (0子コメント)

Not very often. I just like looking up stuff and have an interest in law (looking into Legal Nurse Consulting)

[–]ScaramouchScaramouch 5ポイント6ポイント  (1子コメント)

So you mean to say, it's like we're kind of a silent guardian and a watchful protector kind of thing? We can do that.

[–]Jokkerb 3ポイント4ポイント  (0子コメント)

Unless it's an obscure right of way, property line disagreement with crazy neighbors and shitty mspaint diagrams, then it's shout'n and popcorn time.

[–]Jakeandjosie 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

Then they posted about it and made it to the sub's front page...

[–]mustard_mustache 18ポイント19ポイント  (0子コメント)

Relevant username.

[–]ddh0 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

I almost wonder if he's pulling a complex, meta troll.

[–]improperlycited -3ポイント-2ポイント  (0子コメント)

...he says, pretending that Reddit has a usable search function.

[–]King_Posner 69ポイント70ポイント  (18子コメント)

yep, that's correct. clerical errors aren't a concern, show up, explain it to the judge, it'll move from you to your son, then he proceeds.

[–]workinginacoalmine[S] 56ポイント57ポイント  (12子コメント)

Yep. There were a number of hits when I searched the sub, so it looks like this happens fairly often. I was not at all sure how to proceed, so finding those threads showed me the way forward. Thanks again to all of the folks on r/legaladvise

[–]Ramady 48ポイント49ポイント  (11子コメント)

Thank you for actually searching the sub.

I think that part of the reason some of us have a reputation for being assholes has to do with answering the same question 10 times a day. Lord knows that's a big part of my reason.

[–]Silent_Hastati 41ポイント42ポイント  (7子コメント)

But weed doesn't have a smell!

I was only going 20 over the limit, not 25 as they alleged!

How do I make the cunt not get child support!

VOLKSWAGON!

etc etc

[–]Ramady 14ポイント15ポイント  (1子コメント)

As a retired pot head, that one always makes me laugh. Back in my day, we were all well aware of the smell.

[–]Jajoo 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

Yeah, I'm in high school and me and my friends were pretty sure one of the lockers near mine had weed for the first week. I left a sweat shirt in there that week and smelled like snoop Dogg the day I wore it lol.

[–]Reddisaurusrekts 0ポイント1ポイント  (4子コメント)

*Volkswagen

[–]ethanjf99 11ポイント12ポイント  (3子コメント)

nope, you can only sue them if it's in ALL CAPS. Also did you know how Volkswagen sneakily doesn't have a yellow fringe on their corporate in personam logo? That's #illuminati #newworldorder stuff right there?

[–]MaximumAbsorbency 6ポイント7ポイント  (0子コメント)

VOLKSWAGEN the individual company not Volkswagen the corporate person

[–]Reddisaurusrekts 0ポイント1ポイント  (1子コメント)

Hahaha holy shit, couldn't even parse this properly on the first read.

[–]ethanjf99 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

good. If you had been able to parse it on the first go, it would've been a poor attempt.

[–]WeylandTheDwarf 6ポイント7ポイント  (1子コメント)

To be fair, the search function leaves alot to be desired. I've searched for things in other subs before only to learn it had already been asked with different wording then I was searching for.

[–]Happy_Bridge 11ポイント12ポイント  (0子コメント)

I use Google with site:reddit.com, myself.

[–]hypnotheorist 3ポイント4ポイント  (0子コメント)

Just make sure it doesn't get to the point where search results are overwhelmed by "We've answered this before. Search!" :p

[–]insertAlias 7ポイント8ポイント  (1子コメント)

I wish it were that easy when dealing with parking tickets at the school I previously went to.

I found out when trying to transfer that I had an unpaid parking ticket, and a fine for not paying it. Something like $250. Now, parking sucks there so I'd gotten a few tickets, and paid them all off. I figured it was a mistake, so I went to the office to get details.

Turns out, it wasn't me that got the ticket. It was someone in a car of a make and model that I had never owned (never even close). The reason it was applied to my account was threefold: 1) The registration wasn't associated with any student, 2) it was associated with someone with my mother's first and last name, and 3) my mother's info was listed on my account, as a parental contact.

Apparently this school tries to cross-match non-student vehicles with anyone on that student's record.

I had to get a statement from the local DMV that the person that car was registered to was not my mother, along with some other documentation that proved she wasn't the one who owned that car. It was a real hassle and the people in the office treated me like I was just trying to get out of paying a ticket the whole time, until I had all the proof right there. They didn't even apologize to me.

[–]King_Posner 7ポイント8ポイント  (0子コメント)

welcome to the difference between court and red tape administration - they both may be slow, but court has a stated purpose of getting it right soon as they hear it's wrong.

[–]tehlaser 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

They can be a concern if showing up is difficult. I once had to deal with a court 700 miles away suspending my drivers' license because someone with a similar name and identical date of birth plead guilty to something drug related.

[–]arbivark -2ポイント-1ポイント  (1子コメント)

unless he hates his son, that is the wrong way to go. OP is not guilty, and the son hasn't been summoned.

[–]King_Posner 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

so OP will defend themselves instead, which means if not defending on clerical they are accepting that mistake and assigning of the blame, and thus he can easily be found guilty if they have a radar speed.

that's a piss poor idea.

[–]hitbyacar1 113ポイント114ポイント  (13子コメント)

Wow you included your location, even though you're not asking for advice. I think you may be the first person ever to follow all of /r/legaladvice's rules.

[–]Ramady 54ポイント55ポイント  (9子コメント)

He forgot to ask a question, but I'll let it slide.

[–]SJHillman 39ポイント40ポイント  (8子コメント)

Looking through the sidebar and the guidelines, and I don't actually see anywhere that it says you have to ask a question (although it is strongly implied by the nature of the sub). Of course, it doesn't say to include a shitty MS Paint diagram either, which should be a rule.

[–]Ramady 16ポイント17ポイント  (7子コメント)

It is in the guidelines, but that comment is tongue in cheek.

I'm also really glad that the shitty paint diagram thing seems to be dying off. It was getting obnoxious, especially when it clearly wasn't necessary.

[–]paperairplanerace 10ポイント11ポイント  (0子コメント)

I'm also really glad that the shitty paint diagram thing seems to be dying off.

:(

Aren't you the only one? Stop being so influential! >.>

(I'm kidding. I do like the Paint diagram thing though, I think it's amusing and I like the kind of lightheartedness that happens here.)

[–]keastes 8ポイント9ポイント  (5子コメント)

I'm going to need a shitty paint diagram of a pie chart here.

[–]lehmakook 10ポイント11ポイント  (2子コメント)

I think you may be the first person ever to follow all of /r/legaladvice's rules.

Does he have renter's insurance?

[–]helljumper230 3ポイント4ポイント  (1子コメント)

And security cameras?

[–]PalladiuM7 6ポイント7ポイント  (0子コメント)

And an easement, clearly outlined in the deed?

[–]registered2LOLatU 27ポイント28ポイント  (5子コメント)

Next week's update: "Went to court like you guys said, turns out it was actually an admiralty court and now my dog is dead, I'm somehow stuck paying child support for a random kid, and I'm drinking out of mufflers despite my arrangement with the local cops. AND I'M BEING DETAINED."

[–]ssracer 13ポイント14ポイント  (2子コメント)

Also, neighbor has claimed my driveway. I have to jump from front door to sidewalk as he's posted no trespassing signs.

[–]Jerzeem 11ポイント12ポイント  (1子コメント)

Sounds like a good excuse to install a zipline.

[–]ssracer 6ポイント7ポイント  (0子コメント)

Sounds like an attractive nuisance waiting to happen.

[–]bobloadmire 5ポイント6ポイント  (0子コメント)

without a drawing, i can't help you.

[–]Alex3324 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

Wait just a second here. Next thing you tell me is that OP didn't get their full deposit back despite leaving the place "cleaner than when we moved in."

[–]bobloadmire 10ポイント11ポイント  (11子コメント)

Out of curiosity, what happens if you show up, sans son, and just claim that you were not infact the driver of the vehicle, but refuse to incriminate your son by stating that we was the driver?

[–]hitbyacar1 0ポイント1ポイント  (9子コメント)

They'll assume you were the driver and force you to pay the ticket...

[–]bobloadmire 0ポイント1ポイント  (8子コメント)

Uh, but they have no evidence that you were the driver, because you weren't driving.

[–]hitbyacar1 -1ポイント0ポイント  (7子コメント)

Then they'll order you to tell them who did it. If you say you don't know, that's perjury.

[–]will4274 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

"I cannot answer with certainty as I was not a witness"

I don't see in OP that the parent was actually present

[–]bobloadmire -2ポイント-1ポイント  (5子コメント)

Invoke the 5th.

[–]hitbyacar1 2ポイント3ポイント  (4子コメント)

You can't invoke the Fifth to protect someone else.

[–]arbivark 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

don't be so sure. citation needed.

[–]bobloadmire -1ポイント0ポイント  (2子コメント)

you can still invoke it because you are the one being charged

[–]hitbyacar1 1ポイント2ポイント  (1子コメント)

No. That is absolutely not how it works.

[–]bobloadmire -1ポイント0ポイント  (0子コメント)

i'm not saying you plead the 5th to protect someone else, it's to protect yourself. If you are being charged with a crime, and you plead not guilty, they can ask you who did it,but they can't compel the defendant to answer because the answer could be self-incrimination.

[–]suaveknight 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

The cop will testify that he is absolutely sure that OP was the one driving the car, and the judge will believe him. Guilty!

[–]hotmetalslugs 5ポイント6ポイント  (0子コメント)

I love this.

The only things missing in this thread are 4 deleted usernames and 5 sub-threads downvoted to oblivion.

[–]Revlis-TK421 6ポイント7ポイント  (1子コメント)

Wait, you got the reddit search feature to actually return useful information you were actually looking for?

You must be the Chosen One!

[–]TheATrain218 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

Probably google site search.

[–]slrqm 4ポイント5ポイント  (2子コメント)

How did the officer get your DL number to put on the ticket?

[–]workinginacoalmine[S] 13ポイント14ポイント  (0子コメント)

The car is titled and registered in my name. I assume when the officer ran the plates my info was on the screen. Our first names are similar. Simple mistake.

[–]alphabeta12335 4ポイント5ポイント  (0子コメント)

The car is probably in the dad's name, which means he could then search the name on the registration (if it doesn't provide this information already) and get the DL#.

[–]andpassword 8ポイント9ポイント  (1子コメント)

You mean you didn't immediately show up at the police station, waving the ticket and yelling "AM I BEING DETAINED!?" and demanding to be tried under Maritime Law?

[–]PalladiuM7 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

Pffft.... Demand trial by combat, at the very least.

[–]ohkissit 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

Yup exact same scenario happened to me with my oldest.

Went to court, immediately brought it to the judges attention, and she looked over at her assistant and it was fixed right there.

[–]CongressmanDonYoung 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

Another job well done!

[–]rabiiiii 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

I'm gonna be honest here. I would never bother searching this sub. The search for Reddit is terrible.

Of course I probably would have called the courthouse before I bothered posting here anyway so what are ya gonna do.

[–]kylejack 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

Next you're going to tell us you have renter's insurance.

[–]another_person_on_ne 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

Sounds to me like you have an invalid ticket. Do you have any proof that you were not there at the time the ticket was issued? If the officer can't get the person who was driving the car correct, then his/her testimony regarding the speed should be highly suspect. Without a reliable witness, the ticket should be dismissed.

Edit: I got a ticket in Virginia by my license was from Texas. The officer made a mistake copying the DL number. I showed up in court and just said that the DL on the ticket was not mine. It was dismissed without even given the officer a chance to speak.

[–]suaveknight -2ポイント-1ポイント  (7子コメント)

I don't understand. Why would you want your son to get the ticket? All you have to prove is that you weren't driving the car when the ticket was issued, and boom - not guilty. Can you provide an alibi?

Also, once the trial has commenced, I would think they cannot suddenly decide to give the ticket to someone else. So at that point your son could testify that you weren't driving the car when it was pulled over, because he was.

(Not a WI lawyer and all, but that's how I'd handle it in my jurisdiction. Seems like a pretty slam-dunk not guilty.)

[–]Alex3324 1ポイント2ポイント  (3子コメント)

So when the judge or prosecutor says "ok, who was driving the car, OP should perjure themself and say "I don't know?"

[–]suaveknight 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

Doesn't matter. The cop would have already testified (during the state's case-in-chief) that OP was the one who he saw committing whatever infraction he got the ticket for. The identity of the someone else who was driving the car is unimportant - for the case against OP, the only thing that matters is whether or not he was driving the car in question.

In theory, the state could then issue a ticket against the son charging him with whatever he's supposed to have done, but the cop has already testified that it was someone else driving the car in question. Yes, perhaps on TV they could then charge the son and try to convict him, but in real life - for a traffic ticket? They'll just tell them to get lost because there are several dozen other cases that have to be handled before lunch.

[–]GreenGod 0ポイント1ポイント  (1子コメント)

Don't we have an amendment protecting against self-incrimination?

[–]Alex3324 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

Yes, but she's not incriminating herself by answering the question of who was driving.

[–]kylejack -1ポイント0ポイント  (2子コメント)

Also, once the trial has commenced, I would think they cannot suddenly decide to give the ticket to someone else.

They sure as hell can. You think if someone confesses to a murder in someone else's trial that they're not going to charge him? Works the same for traffic tickets.

[–]suaveknight 0ポイント1ポイント  (1子コメント)

No, they can't do that (in a normal criminal trial). Once the trial has begun, they cannot suddenly change who the defendant is, mid-trial.

They would have to bring a new case against the son. Given that the officer has already testified that someone else (OP) was driving the car, and he is the only witness that can testify to whatever the infraction was, they won't bother to issue a new ticket for an unwinnable case.

The whole process in traffic court is to get them in and out as quickly as possible. If everybody demanded their constitutional right to a trial, the system would be overwhelmed in an instant.

Source: defended a few dozen traffic ticket cases.

[–]kylejack 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

Never said the same trial. Yes, new charges.

The officer won't be testifying because it's a camera ticket.