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Answered!What is happening with Kesha? (self.OutOfTheLoop)

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I read that she started a lawsuit and her career is over.

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[–]PM_ME_YOUR_CUTE_CAT 1276ポイント1277ポイント  (93子コメント)

She is suing her producer because he allegedly raped her, and he is countersuing saying she just wants out of her Sony contract.

Her camp is basically saying that because the legal proceedings are being drawn out so long, she can't get back to recording, and her career will be over if the whole process takes too long.

So she is the one saying her career will be over, as well as a former CEO of Universal. That doesn't mean it's actually over, she's just trying to get the lawsuit over and done with so she can go back to work.

[–]Litagano 380ポイント381ポイント  (76子コメント)

Did the rape accusation have any evidence going for it?

[–]MuffinPuff 681ポイント682ポイント  (69子コメント)

I read about Kesha supposedly responding to letters from her fans via fanmail, talking about the incident in question, and this was many months ago. Like at least 6-9 months ago. I know that won't hold up in court, but this isn't something Kesha just pulled out of a hat. This is something that has been brought up privately for almost a year or more before the lawsuit was filed.

[–]DerringerHK 471ポイント472ポイント  (67子コメント)

Still, though: Innocent until proven guilty. I'll reserve my judgement til the court case. If he raped her, he's a scumbag. If she's lying, she's a scumbag.

[–]ender1200 1213ポイント1214ポイント  (10子コメント)

This is a perfectly valid attitude to take, but remember that "Innocent until proven guilty." cuts both ways here.

Even if the court doesn't find him guilty it doesn't necessarily means that Kesha is lying. Acquittance doesn't men that the court have established innocence but that it failed to establish guilt.

So while it's fair to treat the accused as innocent based on the court decision, it won't be fair to reach the conclusion that Kesha was lying without further supporting evidence.

edit: typo.

[–]DoctorWaluigiTime 30ポイント31ポイント  (9子コメント)

Right, but at that point I think that's a case of "we'll never really know." At least you didn't phrase it as "but he still might be guilty even if he 'got away with it in court'" or something, because that's the kind of mentality that makes false rape accusations so dangerous.

[–]PDwannabe 194ポイント195ポイント  (8子コメント)

Why is it dangerous to simply acknowledge all the logically possible conclusions?

[–]Emperor_Mao 348ポイント349ポイント  (1子コメント)

Because an accusation alone should not carry a sentence (the sentence being doubt about a persons character).

[–]PDwannabe 38ポイント39ポイント  (0子コメント)

Well said.

[–]GavinZac 76ポイント77ポイント  (5子コメント)

Why isn't Glenn Beck defending himself on the accusations that he raped and murdered a 13 year old girl in the early 90s?

[–]HomerJunior 116ポイント117ポイント  (1子コメント)

http://i.imgur.com/bUNXwFD.jpg

[–]Coffee676 22ポイント23ポイント  (1子コメント)

Yes, why haven’t we had an official response to the rumor that Glenn Beck raped and murdered a girl in 1990?

[–]RogerRight 8ポイント9ポイント  (0子コメント)

CJK5H

[–]Farscape29 10ポイント11ポイント  (0子コメント)

Whoa...I hadn't heard about that. I gotta do some reading!

[–]PeanutNore 23ポイント24ポイント  (0子コメント)

What if something improper happened that doesn't rise to the level of criminal responsibility? Who do I rage at then? HAVE I SHARPENED THIS PITCHFORK FOR NOTHING?!?!?!!1

[–]EatingSteak 17ポイント18ポイント  (0子コメント)

I used to take a different stance to these things - like "yeah, LEGALLY innocent, but probably not so in practicality".

Until Duke LaCrosse. Definitely an eye-opener to the lengths people will go through to extort others

[–]Gentlemoth 45ポイント46ポイント  (2子コメント)

Wait, suing over rape? I'm not sure how American systems work,but isn't rape a criminal charge that's taken through criminal court, or what you call it, and lawsuits are civilian court?

In other words, why is she suing and not pressing charges?

[–]abk006 73ポイント74ポイント  (0子コメント)

You don't "press (criminal) charges". You can talk to the prosecutor, but ultimately it's his or her decision on whether or not to file charges, and they probably won't unless they're pretty sure that they can get a conviction.

If you can't convince the state to file criminal charges, you still might want to do something, and there are private causes of action available. Battery is often a crime, but it's also a civil cause of action. If you're successful with a tort claim (and that's more likely than being successful in a criminal case), you're entitled to monetary damages but the tortfeasor won't go to jail or anything.

[–]MonkeyButlers 24ポイント25ポイント  (0子コメント)

The American system allows you to do both. While people may be more familiar with rape as a criminal charge it is also an intentional tort. There are many reasons that people usually don't sue for rape, but among them are the fact that most rapists don't have money to sue for and the whole process is going to require hashing out the details of the alleged incident in a public setting. On the plus side, (for anyone trying to sue) the requirement for a finding of liability is much lower than then requirement for a finding of guilt in a criminal case.

[–]the_fappening_king 74ポイント75ポイント  (11子コメント)

http://www.avclub.com/article/keshas-career-effectively-over-if-her-lawsuit-agai-225735 found this article

[–]RadiantViper 293ポイント294ポイント  (9子コメント)

(In order to maintain our objectivity as journalists, we will refrain from referring to that comment as “victim-blaming bullshit,” but rest assured that we’re definitely saying it in our heads.)

What a load of garbage. Either do it or don't.

[–]muskrat42 86ポイント87ポイント  (6子コメント)

Right? Either have the integrity to stay neutral, or take a side and flout the bias that you have.

[–]Claidheamh_Righ 297ポイント298ポイント  (0子コメント)

They took a side, very bluntly, they just said it in a tongue in cheek manner. What you actually want them to do is write formally, but the thing is that they're the "AV Club", not Reuters.

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