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[–]incharge21 217ポイント218ポイント  (65子コメント)

But isn't it pretty intolerant of a group to have a picture of that when they preach tolerance?

[–]Emeukal 29ポイント30ポイント  (0子コメント)

No use arguing with them. Its like talking to a wall.

[–]eternallylearning 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

His point about the picture was fine, but his whole approach made it very hard to defend him or even believe that the edited film he was showing us was truly representative of th people he interacted with. He clearly was not being respectful, clearly had already made up his mind, and was clearly not interested in an open dialogue either as he interrupted just about every answer they gave him with another reiteration of a previously made point.

I feel like he had a glimmer of a good angle and idea here, but his proud bias and style makes it pretty hard to get behind. I much preferred the video of the woman holding a sign silently behind a protest about rape culture. I didn't agree with everything she said, but I thought she handled herself well.

[–]unverified_user -3ポイント-2ポイント  (26子コメント)

Yes, but only one person had the picture. No one else defended the picture. I'm sure they were all thinking, "Fuck Joan, why did you have to bring that stupid shock picture?"

[–]odel555q 40ポイント41ポイント  (23子コメント)

But doesn't that illustrate their hypocrisy? If a man had a picture they found offensive they wouldn't hesitate to call him out, but when it's someone who is ostensibly a part of their group then they tolerate it.

They should hold everyone to the same standard, and perhaps have a higher standard for those who are claiming to be a part of their movement.

[–]Blooregard_Q_Kazoo_ 12ポイント13ポイント  (7子コメント)

This is exactly the point everyone is missing. Thank you.

[–]y-o-d-a 4ポイント5ポイント  (6子コメント)

Not only are people in this thread taking everything he said way too seriously,but they are completely missing some of his points as well. Some person said they expected a legitimate breakdown of feminist points from a reddit thread with the title "feminist convention gets trolled". This is a comedic video first and foremost and that should be obvious like 30 seconds in...

[–]Redxl1 2ポイント3ポイント  (4子コメント)

Cognitive dissonance is a hell of a drug, they see what they want to see, never the reality.

[–]AcrobatLoulou 0ポイント1ポイント  (3子コメント)

People on both sides of this argument could use this saying against each other.

[–]Redxl1 2ポイント3ポイント  (2子コメント)

They could, one side is much more careful though due to lack of open platforms/acceptance, the other can get away with asking to put the opposite sex in concentration camps without even a slap on the wrist.

[–]AcrobatLoulou -3ポイント-2ポイント  (1子コメント)

one side is much more careful though due to lack of open platforms/acceptance

It's not about the attention that the group gets. It's about how fair the points they're making are. Some men's rights advocates have good points. Then there are the ones who don't believe marital rape is a thing. You can say the same for feminists.

the other can get away with asking to put the opposite sex in concentration camps without even a slap on the wrist.

That's not true.

[–]pigmonkey -1ポイント0ポイント  (0子コメント)

Most comedy videos don't have a 7+ minute angry rant about how the subjects of his video are "the absolute weakest among women" and are actually you know... funny.

The guy clearly just hates feminism and wanted to argue with people and trash them, that's not funny its being a dick.

[–]Fivebone 1ポイント2ポイント  (1子コメント)

I was going to agree with the previous poster but you've made a hell of a point there.

[–]Ingenium21 -2ポイント-1ポイント  (0子コメント)

He didn't though.

He's making assumptions based on his preconceived notions of feminism.

[–]AcrobatLoulou 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

I think their point is that menstruation and boobs shouldn't be shocking. It's natural. I think it's their way of trying to normalize those kinds of things. That's the whole point of slut walks, or women running marathons and letting their period blood show through their pants.

I could probably be convinced that they were wrong in doing that, but regardless of what I, or anyone else thinks, the dude was a douche about how he presented his argument.

[–]unverified_user 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

They should hold everyone to the same standard, and perhaps have a higher standard for those who are claiming to be a part of their movement.

Name one movement that does this.

[–]AttackRat 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

I am so sick of feminists calling me out for my shit. Every time I leave a toilet seat up in a unisex washroom, pee in an alley-way, or watch porn, there's some loud-mouth homosexual woman expressing her discontent for my behavior. Its soooo annoying. Happens like, litterally all the time, right boys?

[–]Ingenium21 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

The problem in this video is that he's confusing Feminism with the fat acceptance movement. All fat acceptance people are probably feminist, but not all feminsts are fat accepters. Seeing as Feminism is a really large movement, they get different people with different ideas. Not all of them agree.

It's like if you went to a christian convention, you would see Catholics, Episcopalians, Mormons(maybe), Protestants. not all of them agree with each other, but they all do fall under the name of Christianity.

[–]Ingenium21 -2ポイント-1ポイント  (7子コメント)

If a man had a picture they found offensive they wouldn't hesitate to call him out, but when it's someone who is ostensibly a part of their group then they tolerate it.

That's not true. There are male feminists, plus they allowed this douche to attend and ask questions. They only kicked him out when they gave him an inch and he decided to take a mile.

[–]odel555q 0ポイント1ポイント  (6子コメント)

There are male feminists

What does that have to do with anything?

[–]Ingenium21 0ポイント1ポイント  (5子コメント)

you said if a man had a picture they found offensive they wouldn't hesitate to call him out.

And that is absolutely not true.

[–]odel555q 0ポイント1ポイント  (4子コメント)

What does that have to do with the fact that there are male feminists?

[–]Ingenium21 0ポイント1ポイント  (3子コメント)

If your logic was true, there wouldn't be male feminists.

[–]odel555q 0ポイント1ポイント  (2子コメント)

My logic has absolutely nothing to do with the existence of male feminists.

[–]Ingenium21 0ポイント1ポイント  (1子コメント)

It does, because you are assuming that feminism would call out a male artist just on the basis that he is male. The existence of male feminists proves your assumption incorrect.

[–]Gothika_47 -1ポイント0ポイント  (0子コメント)

This has NOTHING to do with the video being posted but i recently attended a gaming event in my country where one of the casters put on some folk music that is highly disliked by most of the people and had people basically twerking on stage "as a joke" but the entire even was criticized for allowing it. Even if its "only one person" you do understand that one rotten apple can spoil the bunch?

[–]incharge21 -1ポイント0ポイント  (0子コメント)

If you're criticizing me for my assumption, why is yours right? What's the evidence for your version?

[–]transmigrant 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

Yes and no? I mean, it's their event. A lot of those conventions are about breaking social norms. Should they have had a 'trigger warning' for it? IMO, yes. That said, the way he was pissed off about depictions of Christianity make me believe he's pretty religious.

All I got from this was that some guy decided to be an asshole at an event, rather than actually having a conversation all for internet points.

[–]StupidFlowers -2ポイント-1ポイント  (14子コメント)

I don't think there's a lot wrong with having art at an event, even if you find it distasteful. I think it looked stupid but people are allowed to individually express their opinions through art.

[–]incharge21 -5ポイント-4ポイント  (13子コメント)

I agree, but that wasn't my point. I wasn't saying it shouldn't be allowed.

[–]Ingenium21 1ポイント2ポイント  (8子コメント)

Why do you think the picture of menstruating christ is intolerant?

[–]M4X1M 0ポイント1ポイント  (2子コメント)

For the same reason Charlie Hebdo was murdered for drawing a cartoon of Muhammad. Muslims obviously felt it was intolerant enough to kill for.

[–]Ingenium21 0ポイント1ポイント  (1子コメント)

You realize Charlie Hebdo is not a person right?

First of all, the people who commit violent acts in the name of Islam are as affiliated with Islam as the people who kill doctors because they are consider the doctors abortionists. Lets not lump in all Muslims together, there is more than a billion people in this world who practice the Muslim faith.

Second, just because some of those people found the covers of Charlie Hebdo offensive doesn't mean they have a point. Christians being offended by a Menstruating Jesus don't have a point either.

[–]M4X1M 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

Sorry, yes I meant the Charlie Hebdo editors. Your initial question was whether it was intolerant or not to have a card of menstruating Christ, not if they had a point or not. Of course it's intolerant, but I believe people should have the right to be intolerant it's protected by the first amendment whether I agree with yoir views or not. Just as the Christians and Muslims have a right to be offended by the content. What I have a problem with is people creating laws to force others to be as "tolerant" as they are. If a Christian baker refuses to make a cake for a gay wedding, that couple has the right to tell all their friends not to spend money at that bakery and should shop elsewhere. Not to create legislation to force these bakeries to comply or create a fb lynch mob and run them out of business. Many Muslim bakeries have refused to make gay wedding cakes as well, but we have only heard of the intolerance of these Christian bakeries in mainstream media.
While the guy in the video may not be open to a balanced conversation on many of the issues, he does raise a good point of all the anti Christian propaganda at the event, yet there was nothing bringing to light the rape culture and oppression of women in many of the Muslim countries in the middle East and India.

[–]incharge21 -2ポイント-1ポイント  (2子コメント)

Do I really need to explain that. If a foreign country were to send out an image of our president menstrating that country would be tolerant of America and it wouldn't be rude? Just because it's art, doesn't mean it can't offend.

[–]Ingenium21 2ポイント3ポイント  (1子コメント)

Kingsman has a scene that show's barack obama's head exploding. Kingsman was made by a brit, and I consider it to be one of the best movies of 2014.

Just because it's art, doesn't mean it can't offend.

Art isn't always supposed to be safe. Watch House of 1000 corpses or The Devil's Rejects. They are absolutely offensive movies, but they are still art. One of AFI's 100 movies of all time is Birth of a Nation, a movie that shows the KKK as heroes.

[–]smoothisfast22 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

He never said it had to be safe. All he said was that it was possible for art to offend.

[–]bctg106 -1ポイント0ポイント  (1子コメント)

All these complaints of fatphobia and fat shaming, and yet they can shame the main figure of a religion without thinking this would be a "trigger" for certain people. I'm not religious and do not give a shit about the picture, but im sure certain people do. And fuck, isn't your entire argument to not shame people because they identify with a certain group. It is such an astoundingly hypocritical movement that any person of moderate intelligence can analyze and come to the conclusion that it is 99% bullshit. It is so fucking bad that it is actually having the opposite effect and is marginalizing real feminist issues. Fuck these people.

[–]Ingenium21 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

Wow your argument is all over the place but I'll try to break it down.

1) you're completely lumping in fat-acceptance with feminism. Feminism is a very broad(pun not intended, but still funny) movement. It's like if I said all catholics are the same as Mormons because they both technically fall under the Christian label.

2)They aren't shaming Jesus. They are portraying Jesus with Menstrual blood. It's a clear intention of the artist to offend you.

3)

isn't your entire argument to not shame people because they identify with a certain group.

No, Feminism's stance is equality for all with a focus on women's issues.

4)

It is such an astoundingly hypocritical movement that any person of moderate intelligence can analyze and come to the conclusion that it is 99% bullshit.

You may find it hypocritical(and that's mostly because you have an incorrect pre-conceived notion of feminism), but there are others who agree with the movement. Some very smart people. Joe Biden, Barack Obama, Tom Hiddleston, Aziz Ansari, Patrick Stewart, and Joss Whedon. All of these people are feminist and very smart.

5)

It is so fucking bad that it is actually having the opposite effect and is marginalizing real feminist issues. Fuck these people.

You do realize that this video was created by a conservative fundamentalist? He clearly edited the film to make them look bad. And what's one of the first things he does? He criticizes their appearance based on his patriarchally influenced views.

[–]AttackRat 1ポイント2ポイント  (2子コメント)

You can't really tell artists what they can and can't bring to an art show so long as it wasn't created in a criminal way.

[–]Green2Green 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

He was saying that maybe if they have a pamphlet of trigger warnings including talking about alcohol that maybe the event organizers wouldnt want graphic art at the event.

[–]incharge21 -1ポイント0ポイント  (0子コメント)

So did you just not read my comment or...

Edit: also, this wasn't an art show. It was an event that was openly sponsoring this art, not an exhibit.