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Humanity is ridiculous

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Once upon a time, I watched a bit of a British television show called Black Mirror — it was, I was told, a series of scary stories about a dystopian near-future. The one episode I watched in full was about a politician forced by a terrorist to have sex with a pig, and most of it was reaction shots of this guy as he was contemplating the horror of this act. I started to watch a second episode, and it was something about another contrived scenario of public humiliation, and I lost interest. I came to the conclusion that where an American scary story might involve getting chased by zombies or giant spiders or something equally life-threatening, a British scary story was about finding oneself in an embarrassing situation that hurt one’s dignity.
Little did we all know, my assessment was accurate, and the show was written by a psychic. The latest news that seems to be consuming the British public is that…well, here’s the calmest description I’ve seen.
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If you’re in the dark regarding “pig-gate”, the details are relatively simple; billionaire tax exile and former Conservative party deputy chairman Lord Michael Ashcroft has co-written, with journalist Isabel Oakeshott, an unauthorised biography of David Cameron. It is not flattering, and includes allegations of drug-taking among other things, but the attention-grabbing assertion is that during an initiation ceremony for an Oxford student society, Cameron “put a private part of his anatomy” in the mouth of a dead pig – and that photographic proof of this deed exists.
I would just like to introduce my British readers to Neal Horsley, the late Republican candidate for governor of Georgia.
Hey, Alan, if you want to accuse me of having sex when I was a fool, I did everything that crossed my mind that looked like I…
AC: “You had sex with animals?”
NH: Absolutely. I was a fool. When you grow up on a farm in Georgia, your first girlfriend is a mule.
AC: “I’m not so sure that that is so.”
NH: You didn’t grow up on a farm in Georgia, did you?
AC: “Are you suggesting that everybody who grows up on a farm in Georgia has a mule as a girlfriend?”
NH: It has historically been the case. You people are so far removed from the reality… Welcome to domestic life on the farm…
I think we might as well resign ourselves to the understanding that all conservative politicians got to their position of power by a process that involved the equivalent of sodomizing a dead pig, and not be surprised when the facts are uncovered.

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Comments

  1. dianne says
    When you grow up on a farm in Georgia, your first girlfriend is a mule.
    Shouldn’t that be “Your first rape victim is a mule”?
  3. opposablethumbs says
    First thought: oh FFS. Cameron has done a million things more harmful than arseing around with a piece of already-dead meat from the butcher’s, but will probably take more flak for this than for decimating workers’ protections, sorry, “freeing” employers to be more rapacious, sorry, better “job creators”. Not to mention all the other shit he has pulled or that has been pulled under his supervision (benefits cuts, our very own drone strikes, effective under-funding and stealth privatisation of the NHS, driving people to use food banks …)
    Second thought: was this the Bullingdon Club? Did all those overprivileged tossers do this? Boris …????
  4. carlie says
    What really bothers me is that I’m afraid that after the shock wears off, it will go away, without ever having expanded into the reality of frat hazing, and more importantly, how it creates a real “in-group” of the rich and powerful that help keep them insulated from everyone else.
  5. Moggie says
    opposablethumbs, no, it was the Piers Gaveston Society, another group of overprivileged tossers.
    Little did we all know, my assessment was accurate, and the show was written by a psychic.
    Charlie Brooker, who wrote Black Mirror, also wrote that David Cameron is a lizard. So, you know, maybe there’s something to that?
  8. latsot says
    @opposablethumbs
    First thought: oh FFS. Cameron has done a million things more harmful than arseing around with a piece of already-dead meat from the butcher’s
    Correct, but such humiliation-based initiations into a Society of Silly Buggers who end up in control of our country is worrying, isn’t it? A society of people of enormous privilege who have mutual, deliberately embarrassing secrets to keep? What could possibly go wrong?
  9. mclarenm23 says
    On a serious note and not ignoring the horrendous bigotry/nepotism/sexism etc of these sort of unviversity societies you do have to wonder how consenting these young people really are when they are forced to commit an act like inserting their penis into a pig. This episode reflects more poorly on the societies in general than Cameron.
    And anyway, whats wrong with fucking animals?
  14. Moggie says
    And anyway, whats wrong with fucking animals?
    Now now, let’s not go there with the othering. Cameron is a fucking tory, but he’s definitely a fucking human.
  15. opposablethumbs says
    latsot
    such humiliation-based initiations into a Society of Silly Buggers who end up in control of our country is worrying, isn’t it? A society of people of enormous privilege who have mutual, deliberately embarrassing secrets to keep? What could possibly go wrong?
    Yes. Yes. Yes it is extremely worrying.
    It shores up precisely the cosy, clandestine mutual support cabal of the Exceedingly Rich Toffs that has enabled him to do the million more harmful things.
  16. slithey tove (twas brillig (stevem)) says
    that “gentle statement” does not sound like bestiality at all. putting his johnson in the mouth of a dead pig while being hazed for a a fraternity, is hardly, ‘sex with a dead pig’. Sounds like the usual frat hazing stunt: one to shame the pledge for perpetuity, to keep the photos hidden from public censure. The scene in Black Mirror was far more horrific, for a political scandal, and involved live pigs, not carcasses. For all the awful policies as PM, this unauthorized biography is actually painting him as a victim of a disgusting hazing ceremony.
    To go all conspiracy theeryize, one could say the Cameron is a ghost writer, to claim unauthroized, and show himself a victim of fratboy bullies that he was forced to participate to stay in society to get him to control the Parliament.
    sorry no. just letting my imag run away with the keyboard…
  17. Azkyroth, B*Cos[F(u)]==Y says
    And anyway, whats wrong with fucking animals?
    Animals do not have the mental capacity to consent. Although this doesn’t stop us from (unlike children, the usual comparison, who are in fact considered to have bodily autonomy in the general case) selectively breeding them, artificially inseminating them, confining them, buying and selling them, putting them to work, modifying their behavior with various degrees of aggressiveness, sterilizing them, performing other medical treatments on them, grooming them in ridiculous ways, using them for food, or simply euthanizing them, a sudden interest in their capacity to consent tends to develop when the topic of fucking them comes up. This is very, very definitely not at all because “IT’S ICKY but people are gradually catching on that ‘IT’S ICKY’ isn’t justifiable as a reason for a policy, so it is necessary to find another stated reason, even if it’s laughably inconsistent with our position in every other situation,” but because of Reasons.
    (…well, I’ve heard one actually good argument for this stance: that given the rampancy of sexual assault among humans, presenting a simple united front on “SEXUAL CONTACT REQUIRES CONSENT” is more valuable than being consistent in our handling of animal bodily autonomy.)
  18. Saganite, a haunter of demons says
    At least the pig was dead. I’m more worried about living animals potentially getting abused.
  19. Dunc says
    It’s wasn’t for a “fraternity”. We don’t have fraternities in the UK. There are no “usual frat hazing stunt[s]”, because there are no frats. From a UK perspective, this is deeply, deeply weird and aberrant behaviour.
  20. Dr Marcus Hill Ph.D. (arguing from his own authority) says
    Cameron will be secretly delighted. It’s no coincidence that the first source that made this public was the Daily Fail – they also know full well that whilst everyone is shitting themselves all over social media because a drunk university student once did something a bit puerile, Cameron and his cronies can use this as a great day to bury bad news. For instance, breaking an explicit manifesto promise by removing universal free school meals for the youngest pupils, driving people to suicide by declaring them “fit for work” and removing their disability benefits when they can’t actually work due to severe mental health problems and can’t survive without the benefits or continuing to make only the most cosmetic of gestures to tackle the massive humanitarian crisis we helped to create in Syria.
  21. Caine says
    Dunc @ 19:
    It’s wasn’t for a “fraternity”. We don’t have fraternities in the UK. There are no “usual frat hazing stunt[s]”, because there are no frats.
    It would seem you’re wrong:
    but the attention-grabbing assertion is that during an initiation ceremony for an Oxford student society,
    Oh, pardon, they’re student societies with initiation ceremonies, which aren’t at all like fraternities and hazing. Nope. Not at all.
  22. opposablethumbs says
    It does sound like some kind of hazing. (minor PS to non-Brits, though I’m sure it will come as a surprise to precisely nobody: membership of societies like this is the exception, not the rule, even at the poshest unis. It is not just possible but utterly normal and commonplace to go through one’s time at uni and take part in any number of student societies, even holding office in some fairly posh college or university-wide socs, without ever coming into contact with anything like this or any hazing ever. I believe that many people only know about them because of what school – such as Eton – they went to before uni.)
  23. Dunc says
    Caine @ : 21:
    Oxford student societies are more-or-less unique to Oxford, AFAIK. And no, they’re not really anything like fraternities in the US sense. Not all organisations which have weird initiation rituals are fraternities. The fact that two things share a common characteristic does not make them the same thing.
    You don’t get this sort of thing going on at any other university in country that I know of, so it’s not in any sense “usual”. (OK, there are sports clubs which get up to a lot of stupid stuff, but that’s a different thing again.)
  24. Dunc says
    For further clarity re 22 and 23: there are common-or-garden student societies of various sorts at all UK universities, but they’re nothing like the “Student Societies” at Oxford, such as the Bullingdon Club and the Piers Gaveston Society.
  25. Artor says
    Let us all be thankful that Horsely’s first victim was a sterile mule. At least he didn’t leave the poor girl in a “family way.”
  26. @Moggie
    And anyway, whats wrong with fucking animals?
    Now now, let’s not go there with the othering. Cameron is a fucking tory, but he’s definitely a fucking human.
    Funny, but isn’t it othering either way? It’s just that one form of othering is not as dehumanizing.
  28. this unauthorized biography is actually painting him as a victim of a disgusting hazing ceremony.
    Yes, but… It’s a hazing ceremony that gateways admittance to: a society that does that kind of thing. The purpose of the ceremony is multi-fold but one thing it also serves to do is select out anyone who’d be unwilling to do something so disgusting though peer pressure.
    Groucho Marx used to say “I wouldn’t be a member of any club that would have someone like me in it” and I think that really applies in this case.
  30. Terska says
    I really enjoyed a few of the Black Mirror episodes. Especially the one with the voluntarily implanted chips that allowed the user to play back their experiences. The pig episode was so ridiculous I told
    friends to skip it. It was stupid. Apparently I have very poor judgement on the possibilities of bad behavior of politicians.
  33. Azkyroth, B*Cos[F(u)]==Y says
    Nothing terrifies us more than seeming like a prat in public.
    And yet “UK English” Chauvinists are a thing that exists. O.o
  34. Dreaming of an Atheistic Newtopia says
    @17
    I don’t necessarily disagree with any of your points…but how exactly does that make the sweeping generalisation that “fucking animals is ok”, correct?
  35. cartomancer says
    #33
    Ah, but that doesn’t make us look like prats you see. The opinions of non-English people are, naturally, not counted in this calculation. Especially ones who habitually miss the “u” out of words, and replace ae diphthongs with single vowels. Catch an English politician doing that and all the porcine necrophilia in the world won’t be enough to salvage their reputation!
  36. Azkyroth, B*Cos[F(u)]==Y says
    I don’t necessarily disagree with any of your points…but how exactly does that make the sweeping generalisation that “fucking animals is ok”, correct?
    ……
    …………………..
    Did I say it did?
  37. Azkyroth, B*Cos[F(u)]==Y says
    Especially ones who habitually miss the “u” out of words, and replace ae diphthongs with single vowels
    I stnda courraectde.
  38. davem says
    When I heard this this morning, I was not the least surprised. It’s what posh Tories do in their youth. However, I am itching to hear the first time that Cameron gets serious in the House of Commons, and the opposition benches let out an ‘oink!’ in response.
  39. blf says
    As others have pointed out, annoying a dead animal’s head is possibly the least obnoxious thing this prat and his cronies has done.
  40. Kagehi says
    And anyway, whats wrong with fucking animals?
    Animals do not have the mental capacity to consent.
    I have always found this to be an odd argument. While there are some truly sick people that might try to bang their cat, or hump chickens, or something, most animals are a) larger, and/or b) stronger, c) better able to harm people, than people them, at least while one of them is pretty much nude, an if they really didn’t like what was going on wouldn’t have to say “no”, they would just kick, bite, or trample a person. And.. at least with dogs, which is the most common one anyway, they are already prone to “get excited” about things having sex around them, and even trying to mount things at random. The females not so much, since that part, for animals, tends to be much more instinct driven, but.. males..
    So… Yeah, the argument to me is, while not completely wrong, is still not always a valid argument. In the literal sense that they are not as smart as us, or able to talk, maybe. But, they sure as heck could object to it.
  41. laurentweppe says
    It’s wasn’t for a “fraternity”. We don’t have fraternities in the UK. There are no “usual frat hazing stunt[s]”, because there are no frats. From a UK perspective, this is deeply, deeply weird and aberrant behaviour.
    Soooooo…. David Cameron, from the proud Clan Cameron of Lochiel is no true Scotsman? :p
  42. zibble says
    Black Mirror is an amazing show and you should give it another chance. The episode with the pig is not indicative of the show as a whole. It’s not a show about humiliation, it’s a show about how new technologies have the potential to warp our basic humanity – written by someone who appreciates technology and understands it, rather than some old scaremongering luddite.
    Charlie Brooker, the creator, is also a writer for the Guardian and aggressive atheist.
  43. Zmidponk says
    laurentweppe:
    Soooooo…. David Cameron, from the proud Clan Cameron of Lochiel is no true Scotsman? :p
    Ask any actual Scotsman if David Cameron is a Scotsman, he’ll probably laugh himself into insensibility at the idea, as Cameron is the very epitome of ‘upper-class English snob’.
    However, a little bit of context for these claims – Lord Ashcroft has been a major contributor to the Conservative Party and, despite claims by him to the contrary, the general feeling is that he at least thinks he was snubbed for a senior position in the Tory government that he felt his campaign contributions entitled him to and the claims in this book is his way of sticking two fingers up at Cameron for that perceived snub.
  44. Al Dente says
    I’m more disgusted by Cameron and/or his buddies burning a £50 note in front of a homeless person than I am about him sticking his penis into a dead pig’s mouth.
  45. Marcello S says
    Don’t tell me that none of you perverted omnis have ever stuck your dick in pork. Why is this newsworthy?
  46. F.O. says
    Of all the things that the overprivileged shit did and does as a man of power, this is the most irrelevant.
    Indeed, this plays straight in his hands to distract from his politics.
    …
    I feel I am always ruining the fun.
    Maybe I should just join the mockery and hope that this will be Cameron’s downfall.
  47. marcus says
    Azkyroth, B*Cos[F(u)]==Y @ 17
    I agree. Though I am certainly not an advocate of abusing animals, sexually or otherwise, I must concur that it is not an issue of “consent”. We as a species do much more horrible things to animals without their consent than sexually assault them.
  48. Al Dente says
    Marcello S @45
    Don’t tell me that none of you perverted omnis have ever stuck your dick in pork.
    Nope, never have, never even considered it. My perversions go in other directions than fucking pieces of dead meat.
  49. Animals do not have the mental capacity to consent
    It seems to me that the distinction between “Animals” and “humans” is nearly always self-serving.
    Humans are animals. The question of mental capcity and consent is the crux. There are animals that are humans that don’t have the mental capacity to consent, either. There are non-humans that probably do (e.g.: dolphins) I understand from a friend of mine that spent a lot of time around dolphins that some of the males looked quite interested in trying some biped action…
  50. laurentweppe says
    Don’t tell me that none of you perverted omnis have ever stuck your dick in pork.
    And ruin beacon’s taste? How dare you accuse us of such blashphemy!
  51. This was so totally unsurprising — gee, an overprivileged right-wing figure did something disgusting when he was in school, what an astonishing development, stop the presses — that the only thing over which I have any outrage at all is the continued use of “-gate” as a suffix to indicate a scandal. All journalists (and others) who do this ought to have… well, okay, maybe not their heads, or their hands… ah, I know: all those who use this construction ought to have their keyboards chopped off, and be forbidden to buy a replacement.
  52. Azkyroth, B*Cos[F(u)]==Y says
    and the claims in this book is his way of sticking two fingers up at Cameron for that perceived snub.
    Redundant letters, redundant fingers…I’m sensing a pattern here :)
  53. unclefrogy says
    Don’t tell me that none of you perverted omnis have ever stuck your dick in pork.
    well I have had some barbecue pork that was positively orgasmic and have had chicken that inspired thoughts of pure lust but I do not generally have sex with my food!
    uncle frogy
  54. bonzaikitten says
    I loved Black Mirror, including That Episode. The pig bits were the least interesting thing about it though. More interesting were the build up and reactions shown. I view the current drama the same way — it is the reactions of the tabloids and social media that are far more interesting than a bit of squick.
  55. pigdowndog says
    A lot of hypocritical comments on here.
    On one hand we denigrate theists for believing a story without hard evidence yet fully accept this titillating story with salivating glee one written by a man with an axe to grind.
    What happened to skepticism or is the fact that he’s a Tory colour our views?
  56. zenlike says
    pigdowndog,
    I you had actually read the tread, you would have seen people do question the story, and others saying that even if true, it doesn’t really matter, because he did far worse things.
  57. pigdowndog says
    @zenlike.
    I have read the comments and I never said all of them accept it as fact (read my comment again).
    It’s only in your opinion that he’s done “far worse things” no doubt influenced by your political views which you’re perfectly entitled to.
    At the moment I’m listening to a discussion about the story by people actually in the know and the story appears to be falling apart by general concensus, and no, they aren’t Tories, quite the opposite.
    My opinion is that Lord Ashcroft has made himself look silly and spiteful.
    I agree with you on one point though, what the hell does it matter?
  58. Dunc says
    “Rich upper-class prick does stupid, disgusting thing to get into weird Oxford student society” is not a particularly extraordinary claim. The antics of the Bullingdon set are pretty well-documented, and this isn’t that much different from what we already know they get up to, so a lower standard of evidence is required than for supernatural claims.
  59. pigdowndog says
    @Dunc
    “This is one of the oldest and most effective tricks in politics. Every hack in the business has used it in times of trouble, and it has even been elevated to the level of political mythology in a story about one of Lyndon Johnson’s early campaigns in Texas. The race was close and Johnson was getting worried. Finally he told his campaign manager to start a massive rumor campaign about his opponent’s life-long habit of enjoying carnal knowledge of his own barnyard sows.
    “Christ, we can’t get a way calling him a pig-f—er,” the campaign manager protested. “Nobody’s going to believe a thing like that.”
    “I know,” Johnson replied. “But let’s make the s.o.b. deny it.”
    “Fear and Loathing in Las Vegas” Hunter S Thompson.
  60. Dunc says
    @pigdowndog: And? What possible bearing could that have on the actual truth or falsity of the matter?
    For the record, I don’t know whether it’s true or not. I just don’t think it’s particularly unlikely. Plus it’s amusing.
  61. pigdowndog
    You know, just because once somebdy was wrongly accused of pigfucking doesn’t mean all accusations are false. Especially not in the light of people saying “duh, what’s the matter, don’t we ALL do it?”
    Also, you might have noticed that elections in the UK are not due in a long shot
  62. laurentweppe says
    On one hand we denigrate theists for believing a story without hard evidence
    I most certainly don’t, and have nothing but contempt for those who adhere to Maher’s “These religious rubes are superstitious morons who deserve to be beaten into submission by me and my ilk” school of denigrating thought
  63. pigdowndog says
    @Giliell, professional cynic -Ilk-
    “You know, just because once somebody was wrongly accused of pigfucking doesn’t mean all accusations are false. ”
    If you have evidence that corroborates the story let’s all hear it.
    “Also, you might have noticed that elections in the UK are not due in a long shot”
    Not sure what that’s got to do with anything but the instigator of the story is a man who holds a big grudge against Cameron for not giving him a high powered job so it has to be held up to scrutiny and not accepted wholesale, as your nom-de-plume would suggest..
  64. Dunc says
    Of course, the people who are claiming that Lord Archer is motivated by a grudge are also people with vested interests in downplaying this story, so we have to be sceptical of their veracity too, right?
  66. opposablethumbs says
    The jolly japes and wheezes of the Bullingdon club,for which there appears to be plenty of corroboration, make this seem like small beer in comparison imo (in terms of actual harm to others). Whatever their initiation idiocy, the two clubs are absolutely founded on the most conspicuous ostentation of wealth possible (famous for it, even in a setting where many students’ family wealth is far higher than average) and – so much more importantly – on trumpeting abroad their utter contempt for the poor.
  67. pigdowndog
    If you have evidence that corroborates the story let’s all hear it.
    Not my point. My point is that false accusations against others in the past have no bearing upon the veracity of this claim.
    You know, I pretty much don’t care whether it’s true or not. As said before, it’s one of the nicer things you can say about him.
    “Cameron? Good chap! Used to fuck dead pig heads and tended to forget his kid in the pub!”
    As others have pointed out, the claim isn’t particularly outlandish. It’s in line with what we know about upper class male clubs and their “traditions”. Even a lot of his supporters seem ready to believe it and react with “so what, we were all young once!”
  68. pigdowndog says
    @Giliell, professional cynic -Ilk-
    ” it’s one of the nicer things you can say about him”
    Know him personally do you?
    No your opinion of him is totally based on your political perspective.
    “Cameron? Good chap! Used to fuck dead pig heads and tended to forget his kid in the pub!”
    Can we assume you’ve led a spotless life without any embarrassing moments you’d like to forget?
    I couldn’t care less what he or any other person has done, within reason, but what irks me is the inverted snobbery of his detractors.
    So what if he’s had a privileged upbringing? He had no control over that much the same as everybody else.
    At least he’s made the best use of that upbringing in the way he thinks is correct and whether you agree is either here nor there.
    He’s achieved high office in a democracy. he wasn’t handed the post on a plate!
    It’s the same with Jeremy Corbyn, he chooses to go with gut instinct and he’s pilloried by judgmental non-entities.
    By the way. I am a Labour supporter who hates the holier than thou attitude of some of the left wing.
  69. jefrir says
    I couldn’t care less what he or any other person has done, within reason, but what irks me is the inverted snobbery of his detractors.
    So what if he’s had a privileged upbringing? He had no control over that much the same as everybody else.
    At least he’s made the best use of that upbringing in the way he thinks is correct and whether you agree is either here nor there.
    I care what he’s done because he’s in charge of my fucking country. The pig’s head thing is not a big deal in itself, but the membership of student societies that exist to show of wealth and make fun of the poor is pretty indicative of the sort of person he is – and that has carried over into his policies. This isn’t someone who did stupid shit as a student and now regrets it. This is someone who is, right now, actively fucking over the poor and disabled.
    He can’t help being born into privilege, but he can help his attitudes and behaviours. No-one forced him to join those particular clubs in uni. No-one is forcing him to punish people for being poor now.
  71. @Giliell, 67
    My point is that false accusations against others in the past have no bearing upon the veracity of this claim.
    Our data about past incidents informs our prior probability that this claim is true. This isn’t the final conclusion, because we also need to look at the evidence specific to this case. All correct reasoning must do this because of Bayes Theorem.
  72. pigdowndog says
    @jefrir
    ” actively fucking over the poor and disabled.”
    Once again that’s just your political perspective.
    The other perspective is that he’s weeding out the idle and lazy who choose to live on benefits.
    Don’t let envy and inverted snobbery colour your prejudices.
  73. @72, pigdowndog
    @jefrir
    ” actively fucking over the poor and disabled.”
    Once again that’s just your political perspective.
    The other perspective is that he’s weeding out the idle and lazy who choose to live on benefits.
    Wait, do you realize that one of those claims might be wrong?
  74. Caine says
    No your opinion of him is totally based on your political perspective.
    Yes. Well, I assume you know that political perspective is quite likely to pop up when discussing a person who has chosen a career of politician. These things do happen you know, so stiff upper lip and all that.
  75. opposablethumbs says
    pigdowndog
    By the way. I am a Labour supporter who hates the holier than thou attitude of some of the left wing.
    The other perspective is that he’s weeding out the idle and lazy who choose to live on benefits.
    What a rara avis you are, to be sure. A “Labour supporter” who believes – apparently – that there are enough individuals choosing to live on benefits out of sheer idleness and laziness to actually comprise some sort of statistically significant class, significant enough to warrant government policies that penalise practically all those dependent on benefits. The mentally ill, the physically ill, the underpaid forced to use food banks even though they are working …
    How are you on personal integrity, btw? I’m sure you’d never, say, tell a little fib about yourself for rhetorical purposes when posting anonymously on a blog … ?
  76. Vatican Black Ops, Latrina Lautus says
    I remember reading the news article and for a few seconds I was wondering if I hadn’t slipped into some kind of parallel universe where Black Mirror was reality. It was very disconcerting.
    Put me off my crispy bacon sammich, let me tell you.
  77. Rich Woods says
    @pigdowndog #72:
    The other perspective is that he’s weeding out the idle and lazy who choose to live on benefits
    Read this, shit for brains.
    Here’s the takeaway figure: 10,800 died in one year, within six weeks of having had their Incapacity and/or Disability Benefit removed due to being assessed as fit for work.
  78. laurentweppe says
    The other perspective is that he’s weeding out the idle and lazy who choose to live on benefits.
    If he really intended to “weed out” the idle and lazy who choose to live on unearned benefits, he would have slaughtered his former classmates years ago.
  79. pigdowndog
    Can we assume you’ve led a spotless life without any embarrassing moments you’d like to forget?
    You can safely assume that I have neither tried to have sex with dead animals nor forgotten my children in the pub. I think the most embarrassing I’ve ever done was puke into my parents’ car and write “James Brooks” into my notebook with a heart drawn around it.
    Oh, and horrible typos in tweets that got more than three retweets.
    The other perspective is that he’s weeding out the idle and lazy who choose to live on benefits.
    You know, I think it’s been universally agreed upon that people who are trying to weed out humans are the bad ones.
  80. Saad says
    Giliell, #79
    You know, I think it’s been universally agreed upon that people who are trying to weed out humans are the bad ones.
    Also, whenever people with a lot of money and power talk about “lazy people who live on benefits”.

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