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[–]PhilosoGuidoConstitutionalist 17ポイント18ポイント  (4子コメント)

[–]FarsideSCConservative 25ポイント26ポイント  (3子コメント)

Did you hear about that free college everyone has been talking about? Can't see how that could contribute to debt since it's free!/s

[–]chabanaisStronger than derp.[S] 3ポイント4ポイント  (1子コメント)

[–]DrDeth666 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

They sure love spending everyone else's money.

[–]ConservativeSavior 23ポイント24ポイント  (24子コメント)

I don't know how to feel about Sanders. Having the state invest in education seems like a smart investment, since the skilled labor that comes from it could improve enterprise and provide a better workforce. On the other hand, it seems risky without more stringent admissions procedures across the board, and we don't really have a good track record as far as having the federal government regulate education (NCLB). In my state we have a huge problem with a lack of skilled labor, so businesses won't come here despite our low taxes and costs of living because there simply is not a workforce here. This lack of skilled workforce is said to be due to underfunding of education, and the consequential lack of quality education (We're bottom 5 in the U.S. in terms of state quality of education).

Also, a single-payer healthcare system sounds incredibly burdensome to taxpayers. The insurance system lets those who need it more pay more for healthcare, while those who stay healthy are rewarded with lower rates. Although I do feel that some basic healthcare should be available without incurring crippling debt, I don't think single payer healthcare is the solution, and we are already seeing the disaster that is ACA. America has some of the top hospitals in the world, and Europeans often travel here for our healthcare, while simultaneously mocking us for not being as "advanced" as them, it just seems like a really stupid double standard.

I don't like Sanders' foreign policy stances either, since he wants to antagonize Russia and China, who are already on uneasy terms with us. I think a lot of people are focussed on the president's social and fiscal policies, and ignoring what really matters for the presidency: foreign policy.

That said, social democracy is awful, and the people saying it works completely ignore the fact that these "progressive" European nations are starting to fall apart.

[–]etibbs 9ポイント10ポイント  (5子コメント)

He also wants to fine any US company that has any work done overseas. Apparently that is supposed to make companies want to create more jobs in the US...

[–]ablation768 1ポイント2ポイント  (3子コメント)

Source?

[–]etibbs 1ポイント2ポイント  (1子コメント)

It's on his website.

[–]ablation768 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

Sorry can you link me specifically? I am having trouble finding it on berniesanders.com unless you are referring to his stance on trade agreements.

[–]Akillees89 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

One knock on illegal immigrants is that they take our jobs. In fact there is an article on this subs front page about Obama granting amnesty especially for tech companies to hire them. That is something we want to stop, right? Then why is it okay to outsource to other countries? I legitimately want to understand the difference between illegals doing work here vs people overseas doing our work there?

[–]should_[🍰] 3ポイント4ポイント  (0子コメント)

Ann Coulter said it best; health insurance works when private health insurance companies compete. The problem now is that health insurance coverage is divided by state lines so they monopolize and screw us over.

[–]Elkton97 4ポイント5ポイント  (3子コメント)

On single payer health care being hard on taxpayers. They have it in Canada and the sales tax in the province where my grandparents live is 14%. Most of that goes to paying for healthcare I believe.

[–]ablation768 0ポイント1ポイント  (1子コメント)

Since when does being healthy keep your rates low? Rates for a healthy person may be lower than those for someone in and out of the hospital with chronic issues, but that does not mean they are low nor are you "rewarded".

http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/ezra-klein/files/2012/09/kff11.png

http://www-cache.pbs.org/newshour/spc/rundown/images/projected-health-costs.jpg

Unfortunately the reality is that as medical costs rise due to longevity and advanced procedures, a greater share of the bill gets distributed among insurance holders. Historically, the trend is for steady rises in premiums, but just because they're lower for a healthy person than someone constantly in the hospital, doesn't mean they are rewarded or in any way related to your actual health.

[–]bllasaeLibertarian Conservative -1ポイント0ポイント  (2子コメント)

Man, I really want to upvote this, but this leftist talking point

Having the state invest in education seems like a smart investment, since the skilled labor that comes from it could improve enterprise and provide a better workforce.

ugh.

[–]Akillees89 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

What are your thoughts on that talking point? Is it unfounded?

[–]bllasaeLibertarian Conservative 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

What's with the Dick Cheney-esque Congressional photo?

[–]WhoWatchesTheWatcher 6ポイント7ポイント  (7子コメント)

I just wish there was one candidate we could trust to balance things out. If we actually had conservatives who were conservative with their fiscal policies too....

Democrat or Republican, nobody seems to know how to manage their money anymore... well, for the last long while at least (Clinton did alright)

[–]AceOfSpades70Libertarian Conservative 13ポイント14ポイント  (4子コメント)

well, for the last long while at least (Clinton did alright)

You mean the years of the Clinton administration where the budget was developed by Chairman of the Houseways and Mean Committee John Kasich? The same John Kasich that plugged an $8BN budget deficit in Ohio when he became Governor and built up the rainy day fund to $2BN while cutting taxes? The same John Kasich who is now considered a RINO, when he has the most successful fiscal conservative record of anyone currently running for President on either side?

[–]WhoWatchesTheWatcher 6ポイント7ポイント  (0子コメント)

This post is just a good example is spot on about the Republican party doesn't even seem to be about the important stuff anymore. The actions involved with balancing the budget required both sides and actual work.

I've seen more during this election about Kim Davis and Obama being a Muslim than I have about the things that actually matter (like social security, the budget, our crumbling infrastructure, money stuff). It's hard to believe anybody in politics is serious about financial matters when all we see is moral bull shit.

I mean, it's one thing to be against taxes. But I'd rather those same people understand that you can't cut taxes and say you are cutting expenses in programs (by snipping away at relatively tiny programs you don't like) while you leave the big spenders (Military, Social Security, medicare) largely untouched. If you want things, you have to pay for them.

We are a country that (Democrats and Republicans included) want's to have everything they desire, but balks at paying for it. Either want less, or prepare to pay more.

[–]beer_n_gunsMillennial Constitutionalist -5ポイント-4ポイント  (1子コメント)

The same John Kasich who accepted Obamacare subsidies?

[–]Ballnight -1ポイント0ポイント  (10子コメント)

Complain about a debt when a conservative president created it

[–]Have_A_Nice_FallGoldwater Conservative 0ポイント1ポイント  (9子コメント)

You can argue who did what to grow the debt. But the reality is Sanders wants to literally ignore it and take us to unprecedented levels like never before. On top of that, he's unapologetic about it. No thanks.

[–]Ballnight 2ポイント3ポイント  (8子コメント)

[–]timtom45 5ポイント6ポイント  (2子コメント)

hes a professor at a college ive never heard of, hardly a "top" economist.

oh and hes a member of the Democratic Socialists of America and been pushing for single payer since 2013

hardly a non partisan unbiased scientific source

[–]Have_A_Nice_FallGoldwater Conservative 1ポイント2ポイント  (2子コメント)

His own fucking campaign advisor said that the 18 trillion was a solid, and fair, estimate. Stop clamoring to any scraps you can find that would justify your unsound economic understanding. There's a reason most of Europe is going bankrupt, while the most capitalistic and healthy economy there is keeping them all afloat (Germany). They all think these ridiculous policies somehow save money, even though it lessens the value of education, the money itself, and people's work.

I'm not saying our system is perfect, but his solution is a step down, not up. A very small percentage of the workforce makes minimum wage, yet it's all liberals can talk about. How about making things better for the middle class that just got rocked over the last 10 years? You can't artificially create a middle class by handing the poor money.

[–]Ballnight 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

Just showing you other sides of the story. I don't necessarily agree with everything in the article but different view points aren't wrong.

[–]ledhe 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

15 trillion is for healthcare and would save the taxpayers money from what their paying now.

[–]LawlosaurusNeoconservative -1ポイント0ポイント  (0子コメント)

Get out of here, shill

[–]LengthyWarfareReagan Conservative 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

Wow, I looked it up, and that is literally the only source. And it's from a known left leaning website. I can find UCLA, WSJ, Forbes and many other respected and fairly moderate news sources explaining how FDR and socialism essentially made the Great Depression the Great Depression and how socialist policies actually extended the Great Depression by 8 years. The New Deal was terrible then, and it will be terrible now.