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[–]R0LLCAT 13ポイント14ポイント  (6子コメント)

You should ask him why he chose to have faith in the Christian religion as opposed to another religion.

[–]RetraRoyale 5ポイント6ポイント  (3子コメント)

I honestly don't think that matters to anybody.

[–]R0LLCAT 16ポイント17ポイント  (2子コメント)

I think this is the one of the most important questions that a christian should have to answer. It matters because it can make you rethink your faith.

[–]chief_running_joke_ 3ポイント4ポイント  (0子コメント)

The first time I ever questioned my faith was when I was asked this. And like the walls of jericho, it all came tumbling down.

[–]RetraRoyale 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

I suppose it could, but lots of people just say "because it's the best/most correct/most lovely," etc., and it doesn't amount to anything. And it's not like you don't already know the correct answer to that question.

[–]Autodidact420 1ポイント2ポイント  (1子コメント)

ask him why he chose to have faith in the Christian religion as opposed to another religion.

Couldn't it just be it's popular? And depending on how you interpret it, it has pretty decent moral standards?

I mean, the whole point is that he chose to have faith because he wasn't happy with the logical sort of thing, why be a dick about it lol

[–]wuzizname [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

It's the most available, most socially accepted, and most familiar to anyone growing up in the west. It's obvious why he chose it.

[–]amral 3ポイント4ポイント  (0子コメント)

So he just gave up. That's really sad.

[–]MnemonicFitness 1ポイント2ポイント  (1子コメント)

What makes you think that faith=sureness? Faith is more like hope, rather than certainty.

[–]Gnimhey[S] 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

Because now he doesn't wonder at the world. He knows the world, knows it in such a way that the world could look like anything and he'd still see the same precepts of God.

[–]slfnflctd [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

Because it represents giving up.

My example is not the norm, but perhaps it reflects some aspects of it. Shortly after I attempted to live a life of 100% faith as an adult (is 19 an adult?), I ended up in a state of mind where I attempted suicide.

What I wanted, deep down, was simply an end to the questions, the sense of unfulfillment, the heartache, and the uncertainty.

It represents an intelligent man trading in uncertainty and honesty and curiosity for faith and sureness and happiness.

Being truly honest in the kind of environment we find ourselves in can be severely brutal, and a lot of people need time (and certain sorts of circumstances) to develop the strength to handle that. This kills the curiosity. I was way too weak... I'm pretty sure I wouldn't have made it through my early-to-mid 20s if it hadn't been for leaning on faith.

Am I glad to be (mostly) free of my dependence on what now seem like starkly obvious delusions? Absolutely. Am I happier? I'm not so sure. That apparently takes work. I'm working on it.

[–]Kai_Daigoji 0ポイント1ポイント  (8子コメント)

I thought there were answers to everything. I searched for years as a young man. I would say I was an agnostic

His choosing faith wasn't trading curiosity for certainty. He was accepting uncertainty. You may disagree with it, but for heavens sake don't pity him for making an brave and intelligent decision.

There's nothing terrifying about accepting that certainty isn't possible.

[–]DoctorOfTheology 4ポイント5ポイント  (0子コメント)

He chose to give up integrity. That's what's sad.

If you don't know something, you don't know.

Honest people don't choose to falsely represent assertion, ideology, myth and/or superstition as true or probably true.

[–]therationalparent 7ポイント8ポイント  (4子コメント)

He was accepting uncertainty.

Then why don't most atheists, who accept that there are many things we don't know, choose to have faith?

an brave and intelligent decision.

To me it's exactly the opposite of a brave and intelligent decision. It is choosing to believe a fairy-tale that provides answers because you're afraid to live with uncertainty.

[–]MnemonicFitness -2ポイント-1ポイント  (3子コメント)

Then why don't most atheist, who accept that there are many things we don't know, choose to have faith?

They don't put their faith in God, but rather in more worldly things - goodness of humanity, hope for a better world etc. Faith is not to be confused with accepting something as fact without evidence - it's more like having hope. And people have faith for the same reason people have hope.

[–]therationalparent 4ポイント5ポイント  (2子コメント)

Faith is not to be confused with accepting something as fact without evidence

That is exactly what it means to many people.

I don't have faith in people. My experience tells me that most people are good. That is different to having "faith". It's a word I would never use.

[–]MnemonicFitness -1ポイント0ポイント  (1子コメント)

Then the term ''faith'' is used differently by different people. As such, you cannot generalize one meaning of the term to everyone who uses it.

[–]therationalparent 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

Sure. I was referring to the meaning of the word as used by the pastor. It was you who brought up an alternative meaning, trying to redefine it such that it applies to atheists.

I am an atheist and do not want the term "faith" applied to me. Religious people can keep that word for themselves.

[–]ydeliane 0ポイント1ポイント  (1子コメント)

For some reason I don't think that when he preaches he gives off the image that he is uncertain. Wouldn't that then be disingenuous?

[–]Gnimhey[S] 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

That's a good point, and I'll bring it up to him. However, the acceptance of uncertainty only goes as far as God, and then he's certain - which would make his preaching honest.

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    [–]Gnimhey[S] 0ポイント1ポイント  (9子コメント)

    How so?

    [–]SoberKeonClark 2ポイント3ポイント  (4子コメント)

    You're mourning the intellect of this seemingly kind, intelligent man simply because he has a different worldview than you. Saying its the saddest thing you've ever heard. It's arrogant and I didn't feel comfortable reading a full page of ridicule behind the back of someone who is searching for his own path like the rest of us. He seems plenty honest to me, he admitted chose to believe. Why pity him?

    [–]AMoralPedo 4ポイント5ポイント  (2子コメント)

    I didn't see it as ridicule but as a deep sympathy or condolence or pity, as for one who develops a neurological disorder in time. how did you read ridicule from that?

    [–]SoberKeonClark 3ポイント4ポイント  (1子コメント)

    Because he doesn't have a neurological disorder, nor should he be pitied, he just has a religious faith. What happened to rules 5 and 7 of this place? Is it just more of "hehehe religious people are dumb/intellectually inferior" just with fully formed sentences and no memes to give the illusion of discussion?

    [–]Gnimhey[S] 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

    But it's not that he's unintelligent, just that he's chosen differently. He's found a path in life that seems anathema to my worldview, and I'm trying to figure out why.

    [–]DoctorOfTheology 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

    Because, according to the story, he has abandoned integrity.
    He has chosen to falsely represent (quite perverse) fairy tales as truth or probable truth.