Reddit has no brains

infinity_QE · 1日前

The first thing you have to do is stop with the ad hominems and fix the titles of your post. "Reddit has no brains" is a bad title because it's like standing up before an audience and saying "you are all stupid" as the first sentence. Instead you're title should be "how can I convince others that 9/11 is a conspiracy?" or "Difficulty with convincing others of 9/11 truth--now labeled conspiracy theorist"

I've read the NIST report and I agree it was extremely thin, very dismissive of key details and ignored other important considerations.

Not that you did this, but it's also not helpful to parrot memes or anything. But you can explain them. The 'jet fuel can't melt steel beams' for example is often used as an establishment-sympathizing offialist cudgel to bang on the head of a conspiracy theorist; in other words, it's used to sarcastically and ironically to discredit.

But the fact is, it's actually true, and these people are really bad at science and they don't even know it. This is when you take propane to their house (like a weed burner), and you say, maximum temp of burning propane is around 3500F, hotter than the melting point of steel which is around 3300F. Give the propane to him and say, "now, melt that steel", keeping in mind jet fuel burns at an open air burn temperature of around 1,890 °F but on 911 was inside a building and thus deprived of oxygen making that temperature much lower. Let him use the propane torch for an hour on a piece of steel, and at the most the steel will become red hot. Then ask him: where the liquid magma? This is over 150% hotter than jet fuel with no oxygen restriction.

The problem with the melting steel of the official story is several fold: 1) temperatures don't work per chemistry, but if that's not enough 2) there was a lack of oxygen (smoke), making the temperatures much lower than they would be otherwise, but if that's not enough 3) steel, being metal is an adequate thermal conductor...the beams act as a heat sink, moving the heat away from high concentration per the 2nd law of thermodynamics, but if that's not enough, 4) the official story ignores heat of fusion requirement to change steel from solid to liquid:

When phase-changing any matter from one form to another (ice to water or vice versa), there is an additional energy involved in the change that does not affect the temperature; for example when you freeze water, you reduce its temperature to 32F, then it is liquid water at 32F as it freezes ... at 32F, then once it's fully frozen it proceeds to reduce its solid form temperature. A lot of additional heat must be pulled away from the water to freeze it. Likewise, this same amount of additional heat is needed to melt it. And so with steel, a lot more energy than is capable by jet fuel, the burning of the building contents (burn much lower temp than jet fuel even), and even the aluminum fuselage would be required to convert solid steel beams into "large pools of molten liquid steel....for over a week". It's just science, but we're ignoring it.

DeafDumbBlindBoy · 1日前

You have to remember that very few people have actually read the NIST report or are even aware of its existence. The best way to communicate is not to throw out alphabet agencies and unfortunately obscure government reports, the best method is probably to draw attention first to areas where basically everyone should be able to find comfortable common ground:

Supporting the first responders suffering from WTC poisoning related ailments and cancers.

Supporting the 9/11 Victims' families and drawing attention to their continued fight to uncover the truth.

Referencing people like Senator Bob Graham who have openly called for declassification of the 9/11 report. Referencing the six 9/11 commissioners who have called the validity of the 9/11 Commission Report into question.

These are "soft" ways to approach the topic when it comes up or when the opportunity presents itself. Another important thing is to not force the truth on to other people. It's that kind of perceived superiority complex which supposedly got r/ atheism removed from the defaults.

I find that the most receptive minds are the people who know me best, who I know best. "Hey, can I talk to you about something and you just listen for a little bit before you tell me if I'm crazy? It's important, it's something that really bothers me and I want to know how you feel, I want you to know how I feel."

It's easier to communicate the frustration, disappointment, anger, the sense of betrayal, when we take the extra minute or two to think through the best approach for a given situation.

"Victorious warriors win first and then go to war, while defeated warriors go to war first and then seek to win." -Sun Tzu

malayatom · 1日前

Don't give up; Save your energy rather and use it judiciously - where it can be more effective. Don't fight every battle; but fight where it matters - key points or logical fallacies.

The truth might go mainstream after another decade or two; got to guard your sanity in the meanwhile.

Violets-Are-Blue · 1日前

A few thoughts.. You are a lot younger than I am, but you need to understand that life is hard and scary (the poorer you are, or the more alone you are, the harder and scarier it is). Many people who deny alternative views of 9/11 are people who don't have room in their life for the kind of world-altering effectsthat would have on them.

Also, it's not your job to change people's minds, and it's not your job to be a martyr. You are obviously passionate about 9/11 and that is great, but use your energy wisely. Use it to learn and study. Use it to accept or reject the pieces of the puzzle. Dr. Judy Wood thinks there was some kind of free energy weapon in play, but for me (just an example) there is no need to conjure such extreme explanations. What I'm saying here is decide if no planes/missiles/directed energy/etc are part of your beliefs. If they aren't, don't waste any time on them. Don't waste any of your time on anything that isn't a part of what you believe (including moon hoaxes, etc).

Lastly, don't get frustrated. I know, that's much easier to say than do, but it's actually the most important thing. Don't try to change people, don't try to be right, don't try to win.. just try to be as well-informed as you can be. Recognize your own confirmation bias an always challenge yourself to make sure your have a reason for your opinion. Be prepared to see the good parts and bad parts of someone else's arguments, whether you agree or disagree. This will make you more able to convey your thoughts in a humble and respectful way so that you can actually be heard (by those actually willing to hear).

Most of all, ask questions. Clarify, solidify, deepen your own knowledge. Be an activist if you want, but start by being knowledgable, and always assume there is more to know, because NONE of us knows the real truth - not as long as there are redacted pages.

Schkeptick · 14時間前

You have to come to terms with the fact that most people simply don't want to know, don't want to think about it. You will be written off as that guy with crazy ideas about 9/11 and they won't really listen.

If you want to be taken seriously, you have to take it down a notch. Don't be so excitable. Calmly point out one thing that is anomalous when it comes up in conversation. Give people a chance to be interested.

Think about it. If I came to you ranting and shouting about how cauliflower causes cancer, you would be amused and annoyed and not take me seriously. You might think, "who cares? I never eat cauliflower anyway. Let's talk about baseball!" Most people don't feel 9/11 has any more relevance to their lives and they do NOT want to be lectured.

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SovereignMan · 1日前

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