Ahmed Mohammed Clock is a FRAUD (?)

logicalnoise · 19時間前

He said it himself that he took a clock apart and was messing with it.

sciamatic · 18時間前

This is a weird video.

We don't think the kid invented the clock. He even said it was just messing around and made the thing in twenty minutes the night before.

So what if it's just a bedside clock with the housing removed? One of the first steps in learning how electronics work is just...taking off the housing and looking at how something is put together.

He's fourteen. He's not a trained electrician or even a devoted hobbyist. How "good" the clock is is deeply not the point.

PeterMus · 16時間前

So, they suggest a possible motive for this reassembly of the clock was to manufacture a suspicious looking device. The device would set off alarm bells at the school. The stunt would give the child's father a platform to speak to muslims and aid his political ambitions.

I think this is entirely plausible.

But... intentions don't matter when the reason people are upset is still entirely valid. The police and administration still made a lot of mistakes and outright ignored Ahmed's rights.

ZenRain · 13時間前

Let's assume that this was all manufactured.

It still doesn't change the fact the police handcuffed a fourteen-year-old boy and refused to allow him to contact his parents, the fact his school administration didn't evacuate the building, and the principal and mayor of the city were revealed to be the racist cockbags they are.

Even if the act was manufactured and Ahmed Mohammed deliberately baited a "Islamphobia trap", the end result is that they treated a fourteen-year-old boy with a clock he soldered to a pencil case as a fucking criminal and patted themselves on the back for doing so.

Even in the worst case scenario of Ahmed Mohammed deliberately engineering this situation to be as bait as possible for the administration, the fact of the matter is they grabbed that bait like it was fucking gold: They handcuffed a fourteen-year-old, refused to let him talk to his parents, and outright bullied him into signing a statement with threats no fourteen-year-old would reasonably be equipped to deal with.

At worst, he exposed what racist dickbags everyone in a position of authority in his hometown happens to be. Even if he set everything up in advance, I'd still shake the kid's hand and praise him.

There is nothing praiseworthy about how anyone in a position of responsibility handled the situation whatsoever. It was a textbook example of how to treat a minority in the worst, most lawsuit-inducing manner possible. I'd be giving shit to the people involved even if i was a KKK Grand Dragon because holy shit, you handed this fucking kid a softball lawsuit that iron-tight?

Even if this was all manufactured on Ahmed's part (which I don't believe, for the record), everyone involved with Amhed's illegal detention and every other civil rights violation deserves every lawsuit coming to them, because holy shit they violated ALL the rights with this one.

3RGT · 18時間前

Maybe he intentionally made it look malicious?

RenobMan · 18時間前

Interview "My hobby is to invent stuff and I do a lot of stuff for example inventing this type of stuff, right here transformers, you get what im saying, but I made a clock.."

He doesnt want to show or talk about his other inventions which is strange, you think he would want to show off actual inventions he made but he always goes back to his clock bomb. I think he knew it looked like a movie bomb and thats what he wanted. Not because he wanted to do a bomb threat but just because it was cool looking. When I was young I wouldve thought it would be cool to make a bomb looking clock and play at home with it with my friends pretending it was a bomb. I wouldnt be an idiot and bring it to school and show it off. You can get in trouble for bringing a butter knife or a water gun, did he not think that was a stupid idea ?

Good Morning America Interview At 1:08 he just has a mess of random computer parts and wires, he never shows any of his inventions. The random motherboard of a "media player" probably a DVD player he brings is strange. Why was the clock apart of his future plan? Was he planning on trying to sell the clock on shark tank? What does he want to pitch on shark tank? I bet they asked him to bring a invention and he didnt really have any real inventions so he just brought a motherboard so it appears "smart" and "techy" to people who dont know anything about tech.

The screen is also on the inside, my guess is he was inspired by COD bombs because it would look all "bomby" with the wires and everything looking exposed. If he was just trying to make a clock, thats one ugly, messy clock

Edit: His engineering teacher warned him about it prior to it beeping in his English class. I find it interesting his clock beeped randomly in English class, like what are the odds of it a alarm randomly getting set in his backpack and then getting turned on and then being set for the same time he is in class. Why would he just disconnect power after his teacher warned him. Not a smart kid.

BevoGenocide · 19時間前

Yeah, what good is that clock if the screen is inside the case?

FunkyPanda · 16時間前

I don't think he has any idea what he is doing. If you look at some other pictures of his, he's holding random circuits with a soldering iron, that are way too complicated for him to solder himself and are clearly industrially made, with Google Images search results for "motherboard" in the background.

He's just trying to look like a young 'inventor' now, but he isn't, in my opinion.

PoutchMan · 16時間前

His father has has twice declared himself a presidential candidate in Sudan. When Florida pastor Terry Jones put the Quran on trial and later burned it in 2012, Mohamed was the Muslim holy book's defense attorney.

So the father has intentionally put himself in the media spotlight before, as a defender of Islam.

The clock was not an invention, the clock (which looks like a movie trope bomb) was shown to a teacher for no reason (was not a homework assignment or class project), and in another video Ahmed shows off his other works (a motherboard with random wires), so he is clearly not a wunderkind.

So this is probably another publicity stunt like balloon boy from a few years back, created by his father.

ToeTacTic · 18時間前

It was a bit perfect when he had the NASA shirt on

newtry · 7時間前

This guy offers proper evidence that Ahmed made a kinda shitty clock, and then makes wild assertions that he was conspiring to cause problems. Kid's 14, dude.

Ubernam · 18時間前

Regardless of everything, I believe the box he put this in looks like a cliche bomb box you'd see on a movie. Nowadays with schools being strict on guns to where you cannot even bring in a fake gun, and sometimes even make a gun sign with your HANDS, I'm pretty sure bomb replicas go for the same kind of punishment. No need to be arrested, but punished for sure if his intentions were indeed to provoke something.

jamaicanmefap · 12時間前

Social engineering at its finest.

Happyneb · 16時間前

He even admitted that he knew it looked like a bomb before he went into school. He said "That's why I put it in a Nintendo briefcase". Also he didn't make the clock or reprogram it or anything, just took it out of the housing. Why would you bring something to school you know looks potentially like a bomb. His father obviously knew he made the clock. I think they intended on something like this happening to gain sympathy and show how persecuted the Muslim community is given the fathers status. I don't think it is just a coincidence that someone who works for the civil rights of Muslims at a high level had their son falsely arrested for bringing in something that looks like a bomb to the majority of people.

Planetariophage · 17時間前

I think anyone who's done anything with a microcontroller smelt that something was fishy. The first thing I saw in the picture was a circuit board that he didn't make himself, and probably didn't even solder himself. And then a transformer connected directly to mains?

Seriously, a clock a 14 year old would make would involve a breadboard, a microcontroller (most likely an Arduino), and batteries. Something like this: https://i.ytimg.com/vi/LT1BVhRJPio/hqdefault.jpg (he did say he invented it, and made the clock. Not take apart a clock and put it in a different "bomb-like" box)

I'm sure other people who dabble around in these things would be downright embarrassed to show of something they didn't understand/make as something they made themselves.

Edit: for the record, I don't blame the kid. I blame the media for making this a whole racism thing and making it a huge deal. But I can see why the EE teacher didn't give the "response he was hoping for" (“He was like, ‘That’s really nice,’” Ahmed said, as quoted by the Dallas Morning News. “‘I would advise you not to show any other teachers.’”), because he probably saw immediately that the kid made 0% of this.

xXNuclearTacoXx · 17時間前

I wish I was discriminated against so I could meet the president and join NASA.

Trynottobeacunt · 16時間前

as you can see from this thread- people are too heavily emotionally invested in this story to not shit all over whoever points this out...

I mean the kid was being offered jobs at nasa, facebook etc and having shitloads in donations/ electronics equipment sent to him for apparently being some aspiring creator. Now that it's revealed that he simply unscrewed an alarm clock from the casing and glued it to a box that he bought the public cannot take it and are reacting really pretty violently to what amounts to just the 'reality' of the situation...

Also note that there's a very heavy sort of 'troll racism' going on in this comment thread and that is then being used by people to tarnish anyone who can see the fraud as some sort of racist/ islamaphobic themselves (when really they're just pointing out the insane public and media reaction).

I'll probably be ruined for this comment, but fuck it. I should be able to exist in reality even if it does harm the bubbles of a bunch of easily lead, emotionally fueled knobends.

EDIT: In reply to all the prematurely emotionally invested people who deny evidence in search of something more 'religious'... Kinda extreme really, it makes me feel like an evolutionary biologist attempting to talk to a creationist about fossils! ...In reply to all of you and for all future replies: 'Yes, you are correct. None of this was planned in order to create a media shitstorm. There's absolutely no way at all that has ever/ or could ever happen. ESPECIALLY SINCE HE WAS ARRESTED BY THE REAL LIFE ACTUAL POLICE (added layer of legitimacy to the story that's so powerful that it is beyond question, right guys?)... Everyone who doesn't believe the story or questions it is a racist, Islamophobe, or HATES CHILDREN and just wants to no longer allow them to be creative. 'Nobody called him a genius' ever. Nobody gave him loads of items or offered him jobs/ internships/ places at major companies (I just imagined that). Aaaaand have a really great day.'

hotprof · 16時間前

This kid is trolling America so fucking hard right now.

bobartig · 18時間前

I'd assumed that he'd taken apart a clock in order to build a different kind of clock, i.e. a stopwatch, or maybe counting in some alternate fashion. It hadn't dawned on me that he just wired a clock into a briefcase like a bomb, and nothing more. I mean, you can clearly see the printed circuit board and cabling that was part of some other commercially manufactured product, but I hadn't otherwise given the project much thought.

What it really reminded me of was the stupid props we used to build for our video projects in middle school. Our school projects always involved spys and secrets, dastardly inventions that were just a few household items strung together, people getting murdered, and blowing stuff up (i.e splicing in scenes from Star Trek). And, it all looked like garbage poop because it was cut together on two VCRs and no mixers or anything. We would have built a "bomb" like this, but with more wires, and a duct-taped mass to represent some sort of charge.

spergery · 13時間前

You know what? The kid was curious. He took something apart, got it down to its working components, and put it in a case.

Is he a genius? Is he an inventor? No. He's just a curious kid. He's neither a hero nor a villain.

So what if it's just taking apart an existing product and rearranging it? My first experience with programming was making a boot disk for Ultima VI by copying autoexec.bat and config.sys line for line from the manual. I wrote a "virus" when I was 8 that simply consisted of modifying autoexec.bat to delete all word perfect files on startup because I thought my mom was spending too much time on school and not enough on me. Now I'm a programmer.

My point is, everyone starts somewhere. This kid doesn't have to be a genius for his treatment to be unfair. His clock doesn't have to be anything more than a disassembled alarm clock for it to be a worthy first step. What matters is the mindset, not the output. It matters that he's curious and likes to make things.

For someone who makes things for a living this looks childish, and it is--but that's the whole point. This is building a model rocket from a kit or putting a cold air intake on your first car. It's the ember that sparks the flame of lifelong curiosity.

So kudos, Ahmed. You took apart a clock and caused a commotion. Never let that spirit die.

Flemtality · 14時間前

He's absolutely right about one thing, it's a manufactured clock with the plastic housing removed. However, I don't think there was any malicious intent by the kid or his family here. That's conspiracy theory level shit.

At the same time, all of the people calling this kid some kind of genius child like something out of a movie need to shut the fuck up. He took a clock apart. Nothing more. The arrest obviously never should have happened and the media blitz should have been more truthful.

Gizmeow · 16時間前

Sounds to me like he knew he shouldn't have brought it to school. He said he added a cable so it wouldn't look "that much suspicious".

digitaljohn · 14時間前

Seriously... If I were tasked to create a movie prop that looked like a plausible, hidden bomb, it would probably look exactly like that.

Get a clock, take it apart and hide it in a case of some sort.

Its ridiculous that some people cannot see this.

Maybe, just maybe if he did actually engineer the clock itself, then it could be an innocent story. But he got an off the shelf clock, put it inside a case and it looks like a cliché bomb.

IRageAlot · 17時間前

My kids "make" shit all the time too; most of it is garbage. It's important garbage, but still garbage. I "made" things as a kid too. I made "robots" which were PVC pipes, cut with mitered ends and taped together in a hand shape; pulling the yarn that ran down the inside of the pipes would make the hand close. I "made" a head for it that could "speak" which was taking a styrofoam head and putting a phone receiver in it and speaking into the mic. It was a bunch of taped together garbage. I'm giving it way too much credit with my description too. I also made "pocket warmers" which was nothing but a 9V battery with wire wrapped around the terminals to short it out and make it get hot--I carried that shit in my pocket next to my nuts like a moron... Because I was a moron, I was 9.

But, now I'm a software developer with my own team converting large scale applications; that is related in a myriad of ways to the junk I made as a kid. An interested child doesn't make breathtaking And useful projects, they make junk, but in that junk you find a sense of curiosity. If a kid is making a mind blowing project that 99% of adults can't do then you don't have a curious child you have a fuckin prodigy.

Makers don't just make, they also take things apart and tinker with it, and sometimes put it back together. Like people who "make" wireless charging desks by hot-gluing the guts of a wireless charger to a poorly chiseled out gap in the bottom of their desk. And, when a kid does that kind of thing, it's barely able to be distinguished from a pile of taped together garbage.

This isn't indicative of him not being interested in science, electronics and engineering. This is just indicative of him not being a prodigy; that's a fairly unremarkable fact.

Edit: I want to be clear, I'm not on the kids side. I'm on the fence in regard to this issue. I think a little understanding on both sides is probably the right course of action, but this video is a complete tangent.

most_low · 17時間前

The kid said himself that he put the thing together in like 20 minutes. If anyone thought he invented anything in that amount of time they are delusional. It seems like quite a stretch to claim that he was being intentionally provocative. It seems more likely that he wanted to take a clock apart and put it back together in a way where you can see all the insides while it's working. Or that he wanted to just fuck around with some cool looking electronic stuff and show off a circuit board to his teacher.

Sure, the kid calls all his things "inventions" but that's obviously just because he doesn't know exactly what an invention is. I tell my little brother that we are doing a "science experiment" when we build a baking soda and vinegar volcano but I guess I'm a big FRAUD because it's really a "demonstration" and not an "experiment" at all.

People use words wrong with kids sometimes to get them excited about science. I don't blame anybody for not saying "quit calling them inventions; all you're doing is taking a perfectly good clock and putting it in a less functional form".

jhangel77 · 14時間前

Did I accidentally walk into /r/conspiracy?

ikescurvy · 14時間前

Yes, let's debate about whether or not the kid invented a clock instead of focusing on the overreaction of the school or the racist cop.

I mean, totally asking the right questions here.

GDMDG · 18時間前

I posted a philosophical(-esque) critique of the whole situation in /r/philosophy. It was removed, but I want to repost it here for anyone interested.

I aim to show here that the universal response to the treatment of Ahmed Mohamed (and its implications) is misguided. For one, it presupposes ethnic or religious discrimination where there is none. It also presupposes an idealistic level of knowledge that his teachers should not be presumed to possess, which brings an element of prejudice to the story that does not exist in reality.

The thought experiments:

(1) An elementary teacher is at his desk while class is recessed. A student comes up and presents to him a gadget. This is the gadget. It is a gun-shaped object: that is, it's physical characteristics are remarkably similar to those of a gun. When you ask the student if it is a gun, he claims that it is a camera. You know nothing about cameras, and little more about guns, but you do know that this has the properties of what you consider to be a gun. Knowing that you nor any school authority can make a proper judgment as to the nature of this object, you phone the police, who then question the student in a room for an hour or two.

(2) You're a teacher, eating at a McDonald's on a Saturday evening. A man comes up to you and asks you why you're eating alone at McDonald's on a Saturday evening. Before you begin to answer him, he interrupts you: "no matter, no matter. Tell me, sir: which of these devices is a suitcase bomb? And which is a clock? Would you risk your life on the inference that one is a clock and the other a bomb?" You answer yourself.

These two thought experiments suffice to show that the school administrators are not at fault in their caution regarding Mohamed's device. It is important here to remember the charge levied against them: racial and religious discrimination. This is reasoned that, because Mohamed is of Muslim descent (from an area largely Muslim), that the authorities presumed it was a bomb because of his descent. Of course, that Mohamed is from an area that does have a lot of bomb-related violence does not mean that he made a bomb (or brought one to school); but more importantly neither does it mean he did not. The list of students who have been searched, detained, and even apprehended because of a threat or perceived threat of an explosion device in a school is not limited to Middle Eastern students. I would even say that the majority of students who have been victim to such things have not been Middle Eastern.

This thought experiment has been narrow thus far. I don't want to conclude anything about the other factors surrounding the situation, such as whether Mohamed was granted parental supervision during interrogation, or whether the principal acted rationally in all aspects of judging Mohamed's case. What I wanted to show is that we can conclude beyond reasonable doubt that the actions of the authorities were not due to color or creed.

One last point: if it is so bad to inference, based on a person's color or creed, that they commited the worst of those who are also thatcolor or creed, why then is it not just as bad to inference based on a person's color or creed (not Muslim) that they committed such a discrimination? Because discriminating against someone for his lack of properties is just as bad as discriminating against someone for his definite properties. If it is bad to assume a Muslim committed a terrorist act because he is a Muslim, then it is just as bad to assume a non-Muslim committed an act of discrimination because he is non-Muslim. Both are cases of discriminating (with no evidence), the difference being (a) is labeled violent and (b) is labeled racist, neither of which being significantly worse than the other.

Machismo01 · 14時間前

My first "robot" was a damned RC car that I tore apart. I changed nothing about it, but it was a start for my junior high mind. By my senior year, I was with a group of students that built a 150 lb robot for a national competition. 14 years later I've built half a dozen electromechanical system that can be called "robots" in some way or another (the term is too broad for the industry in my opinion) and those are the less interesting bits of my engineering career. This guy is an internet troll. The kid is a budding engineer or scientist and should be encouraged and challenged (TECHNICALLY, not with this BS) every step of the way.

Iamadinocopter · 13時間前

Even the engineering teacher dismissed it. He knew it was a clock but also told him not to show anyone else because 1) he didn't invent shit and 2) it actually does look suspicious as fuck.

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