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[–]Phkn-Pharaoh -23ポイント-22ポイント-21ポイント 14時間前 (20子コメント)
Meanwhile socialism actually DOES kill people
[–]TheBigCon4800 13ポイント14ポイント15ポイント 13時間前 (0子コメント)
ur bad
[–]SheepwithShovelscommunist overlord 6ポイント7ポイント8ポイント 13時間前 (17子コメント)
How?
[+]Phkn-Pharaoh スコアが基準値未満のコメント-20ポイント-19ポイント-18ポイント 13時間前 (16子コメント)
Shitty healthcare with long wait times, inattentive doctors who slack off, not enough rooms/doctors in hospitals etc
http://youtu.be/1R_DQp-Uxto
But don't listen to fact, reason or logic, just downvote me instead because it's not what you believe, and can't refute real world examples.
[–]SheepwithShovelscommunist overlord 14ポイント15ポイント16ポイント 12時間前* (7子コメント)
You're thinking of state capitalism and social democracy. Socialism just means worker ownership of the memes of production. /r/socialism_101, /r/anarchy101, and /r/communism101 all exist if you'd like to learn more.
[–]Murgiecommunist overlord 6ポイント7ポイント8ポイント 11時間前 (5子コメント)
The dude quite literally just cited an outspoken advocate of a stateless secular society as an argument against socialism (even though, you know, that's not what the video was actually about).
Somehow I don't think he's particularly interested in learning more.
[–]SheepwithShovelscommunist overlord 4ポイント5ポイント6ポイント 11時間前 (4子コメント)
Well Socialism can be stateless too. /r/Anarchism is a Socialist ideology. But yes, the fact that he cited Molyneux was....ummm...yeah..
[–]Phkn-Pharaoh -2ポイント-1ポイント0ポイント 11時間前 (3子コメント)
Are you saying he's a liar? I quoted him because he's the most recent 'real world example' I've come across, ye know, kind of like when I said "real world example"? He tells exactly why universal health care almost killed him. The point is when the government takes over any sector it turns to complete shit
[–]SheepwithShovelscommunist overlord 2ポイント3ポイント4ポイント 11時間前* (2子コメント)
I'm not saying he's a liar. I just personally don't like him. Also, as I said, Socialism has nothing to do with the state controlling everything. All Socialism is is worker control of the means of production. Some Socialists do advocate for elected workers councils acting as organs of the state but not all do. You can have Socialism without a state. Anarchists want to abolish Capitalism and the state simultaneously and Marxists seek to abolish the state as an end goal. I recommend visiting those subs I mentioned earlier. I can also recommend a few short essays explaining the basics of the radical left if you'd like.
[–]Phkn-Pharaoh -4ポイント-3ポイント-2ポイント 10時間前 (1子コメント)
What flavor of "radical left" are we talking here, classical liberal? Libertarian? Completely free people? Or radical left as in modern liberal radical left. And what's so bad about molyneux?
[–]SheepwithShovelscommunist overlord 4ポイント5ポイント6ポイント 10時間前 (0子コメント)
No liberal is a part of the radical left. Not Classical. Not modern.
Libertarian used to be synonymous with Anarcho-Communist but today, in the English speaking world, it means Ron Paul and the free market. If you mean the former, yes, that is part of the radical left. The latter, no. It is definitely not. Libertarian Socialists are a part of the radical left though. Right wing libertarians are not.
Completely free people
I'm not sure what you're talking about here. Anarchism is a part of the radical left is that's what you mean.
When I say "radical left", I mean Socialism as a whole. This includes market socialists, Anarchists, Marxists, Utopian Socialists, Christian Socialists, and anyone else who believes in some variation of "social", i.e., worker, control of the means of production.
The essays I would recommend are
The Principles of Communism by Friedrich Engles
Why Socialism? by Albert Einstein
Are We Good Enough? by Peter Kropotkin
molyneux
He's an Anarcho-Capitalist (not to be confused with Anarchist) and in the videos I've watched he came across as rather obnoxious and a bit bigoted. if he continues in the direction he's going, I wouldn't be surprised if he abandons Anarcho-Capitalism and embraces Dark Enlightenment.
[–]MrNinja1234☭ 2ポイント3ポイント4ポイント 10時間前 (0子コメント)
*memes of production
[–]klesmezthank 3ポイント4ポイント5ポイント 8時間前 (4子コメント)
Even if that's true, is it worse than those killed in the blood diamond trade in Sierra Leone? How about all those murdered in the Iraq War, which was to keep the American weapons manufacturers in business? Is it worse than the millions of people who work themselves to death in sweatshops all over Africa and Asia? I don't know how you can be aware of all the atrocities in the last 50 years and still think hard and fast capitalism is the best thing ever, because even though the west is the best its ever been this has come at the expense of hundreds of millions that you just neglect to think about.
[–]Phkn-Pharaoh -3ポイント-2ポイント-1ポイント 8時間前 (3子コメント)
what you are describing is not capitalism, rather fucked up people thinking they can use us as pawns.
[–]klesmezthank 4ポイント5ポイント6ポイント 8時間前 (2子コメント)
What? Those fucked up people are using "us" as pawns for the sole purpose of obtaining capital. Sounds like capitalism to me.
[–]Phkn-Pharaoh -4ポイント-3ポイント-2ポイント 7時間前 (1子コメント)
That's stealing >.< capitalism is not stealing, socialism and dictatorships do on the other hand.
[–]klesmezthank 2ポイント3ポイント4ポイント 6時間前 (0子コメント)
What exactly is being stolen? are those who own the workers and what they produce "stealing" labour? If so, would you not agree that measures need to be taken to prevent those who make money from exploiting others being able to do so?
[–]Murgiecommunist overlord 2ポイント3ポイント4ポイント 11時間前 (0子コメント)
[–]CatWhisperer5000 2ポイント3ポイント4ポイント 7時間前 (0子コメント)
I see a gulag in your future, friend.
[–]canyoutriforce 1ポイント2ポイント3ポイント 2時間前 (0子コメント)
I decided to get something checked, called the hospital and got an appointment 2 days later. Total cost was 9€ for 2 different drugs. But keep living in your bubble and be happy to pay thousands of dollars for healthcare.
[–]SorcererWithAToasternah 2ポイント3ポイント4ポイント 10時間前 (0子コメント)
As does capitalism
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