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DISCUSSIONWhy we are here. (self.KotakuInAction)

Limon_LimeSeven-37k Get. Eleven more drug deals. 48k Get. が 投稿 - stickied post

Despite all the petty drama going on right now, we need to remember why we are here. There's something rotten in the Games Industry, and it's not what the media has been pushing. We have our differences, but don't let that get in the way on why we are truly here. People will come and go, but we will continue the fight, my friends.

http://deepfreeze.it/article.php?a=numbers

http://deepfreeze.it/article.php?a=gjp

http://deepfreeze.it/article.php?a=enemy

http://deepfreeze.it/article.php?a=quickdirty

http://deepfreeze.it/article.php?a=monster

http://deepfreeze.it/article.php?a=unfair

http://deepfreeze.it/article.php?a=doritos

I see people arguing about how it should be ideology over focusing on certain people. I see some say that it's more than just video games. I see some say it should be about dealing with SJWs. The reason I used these links is because VIDEO GAMES are the main reason we are here. If it wasn't for "Gamers are Dead" and other major events, we wouldn't be here. I have no doubt GG has evolved into something much bigger, but we can't ignore the base principal that started it all. We need to stop arguing over the semantics, and if discussing certain people or certain ideas can help out cause, then I see no reason they should be off limits. I mean, if you don't want to discuss that aspect of it, then start a new discussion thread instead of going into those to complain. I've been in GG since the beginning and I'm not going to let some petty differences stop us from trying to make a difference. I have hope, do you?

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[–]gargantualis 73ポイント74ポイント  (20子コメント)

I was going to answer with...why is the sky blue? Why is water wet? Or "the earth needed us to make plastic"(courtesy of George Carlin)

But after reading...I thoroughly concur.

Dont let em fracture you over sociopolitics. Remember which astroturfers put video games and gamers in their mock trial.

[–]Reginleifer 39ポイント40ポイント  (9子コメント)

Remember which astroturfers put video games and gamers in their mock trial.

Reminds me of an early rallying cry.... Never forget those who made us go to Breitbart for the truth.

[–]hugrr 36ポイント37ポイント  (6子コメント)

Damn right, I've lost respect for publications that I considered being the pinnacle of truth, & I know other people that are feeling the same over the direction they've taken that aren't involved in GG. I'm talking the Guardian specifically, but I've had my eyes opened up to the BBC too, and pre-GG the Scots were up in arms about the political agenda they were pushing during the refurendum.

If anything, it's made me realise that I need to read articles from a variety of sources, and understand that those sources are going to all be coming at a story from their own perspective, & could likely be pushing an agenda.

As much as I would never be the typical target audience of Breitbart, Milo's articles have been one of the few sources that fly in the face of the agenda being pushed by the MSM. And while I know that a lot of them have me wallowing in confirmation bias, it's the dearth of fair coverage in the MSM that makes it acceptable IMO, especially as it seems Milo is the only journalist who backs up his claims with solid evidence.

Funnily enough, I countered a claim on the Guardians comment section where someone stated that GG was a hate group, I directed them here and said that if they could find one upvoted comment that could be used to confirm their view, I'd donate £100 to a charity of their choice. The result? Comment deleted for breaking the narrative rules.

[–]md1957 12ポイント13ポイント  (3子コメント)

This as well.

GG's gazed into the thick of it. And instead of cowering, gaming is becoming stronger.

[–]RavenscroftRaven 6ポイント7ポイント  (2子コメント)

When have gamers seen a challenge to meet, an achievement to get, an Easter egg to find, and went "nah, too hard"?

[–]mbnhedger 1ポイント2ポイント  (1子コメント)

We do that all the time. The difference is that when one of us does that, we don't make fun of that person (too much) and we don't claim the devs are oppressing us by making the game too hard.

We understand that some achievements are supposed to be difficult and that some people won't be able to get it.

[–]Combustible_Cucumber 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

The other day on I saw a guy with 100% trophies in Demon Souls, Dark Souls, Dark Souls II and Bloodborne. This legend has finished Dark Souls without dying if the trophy's still there.

[–]EatPoopAndLive 8ポイント9ポイント  (0子コメント)

I'm talking the Guardian specifically

I remember thinking The Guardian was awesome because of them making the Snowden leaks happen. :(

[–]theaviationhistorian 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

I feel the same. Breitbart isn't my audience, but you know times have gone quite fucky when you have to turn to that website for reason. What is more amazing is that these people have no long term plan. They practically shoved gamers to the political right by pandering to short term emotional time bombs.

When I helped organize left-leaning events and groups in undergrad, I tried to tell them to focus on a long term narrative; to make people want to support or join our cause (even if already having popular support from the getgo). Few followed that practice and I burned myself out trying to add logic to them, and getting to know the fallacies of the third wave feminism (which was pretty much dead by the 2000s).

[–]gargantualis 9ポイント10ポイント  (1子コメント)

I know right? at this point might as well be thankful. Our generation didnt have the tolerance to read all sources left right and neutral to sift for the truth among all the oppositional research.

Now this has been a teachable moment for more of us in modern news media that we'll have to compare and contrast ALL news. No 1 source is good enough, and some will be better for coverage on specific issues than other publications.

[–]theaviationhistorian 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

The problem was convenience. It was good to go to a one stop news site and not comb through the articles for the truth. It is good that this is teaching the general public how to find the nuggets of truth in the news.

[–]Mingo_GG 7ポイント8ポイント  (1子コメント)

The sky is blue because God loves the Infantry. Duh.

[–]kzell11 5ポイント6ポイント  (0子コメント)

God damn it, shit lord, you beat me to it.

[–]WhatIsGamerGate -4ポイント-3ポイント  (7子コメント)

If gamergate focuses less on individuals and more on gaming websites and game developers then the message would be accepted more. The directed personal attacks against mainly women who are most often not journalists weakens the message that the general public hears.

If you ignore your opponents instead of attacking them then the mainstream will only have your true message to listen to and report on.

[–]AlphaWookie 9ポイント10ポイント  (4子コメント)

That is not how it works if you think people care about a principled stand and well reasoned argument. The opposition to Gamergate don't want an honest debate you have to get dirty to win.

[–]corrupt_journalist 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

There are people who oppose GamerGate who do want an honest debate. There are just such a seemingly overwhelming number of GamerGate supporters who default to the "get dirty" tactic that we found it hard to ever be able to do that. The problems that you point out in GamerGate opposition are present in the movement as well, and if both sides use the other's bad acts to justify their own, how will anything ever get accomplished?

[–]WhatIsGamerGate -2ポイント-1ポイント  (2子コメント)

Is being portrayed as a hate group by the mainstream media winning?

[–]jared0h 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

I think at this point considering the numerous victories for GG in terms of media policy and even now the mud slinging it is pretty hard to deny...

[–]bcwalker 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

The MSM is irrelevant. Fuck them. They're killing themselves.

[–]ekudram 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

Make it so..

[–]gargantualis 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

That depends on how. The front page drama appears confusing to outsiders but it'll trend.

Ignore should mean, what people regularly do. Like if starved of happenings have creative activities like L4G advocacy. Or going back to other gaming forums (excluding neogaf) and talking w/ community to dispel all these lies.

But if new folks ask who and what about the lws involvement or journalists hipocrisy , gotta be ready to explain, these folks are opportunists and racketeers with a history of lies, that devs and other communities have suffered under.

[–]usul1628 103ポイント104ポイント  (10子コメント)

The ones who want to turn something I love into a tool of their political agenda are my enemies. I'll be selecting my targets accordingly, and going after them with prejudice and without mercy.

[–]sunnyta 36ポイント37ポイント  (4子コメント)

It's not even that hard for them to make their own games. I am sure if another gone home was made and polygon praised the shit out of it then no one would care as long as a possible conflict of interest is disclosed . But bullying devs into making changes based on superficial bullshit? devs should be free to make whatever they please and if you don't like then don't buy

[–]SPZX 16ポイント17ポイント  (1子コメント)

Gone Home 2 review: Not beatable in 45 seconds this time. 10/10 GOTY

[–]razorbeamzRuns /r/loltaku 9ポイント10ポイント  (0子コメント)

9/10 too long.

[–][deleted] 5ポイント6ポイント  (0子コメント)

It's not even that hard for them to make their own games.

How many games could Anita have made with her $800,000 worth of donations? Instead we get 10 minute videos shitting on other games and pushing for self-censorship.

So evidently, very hard. Because they are not interested in improving the games industry. They are interested only in furthering their own politics.

[–]endomorphosis -1ポイント0ポイント  (0子コメント)

This is why people are in #gamergate http://strawpoll.me/4300463/r

[–]AlseidesDD 19ポイント20ポイント  (0子コメント)

This is why I am here, too.

[–]md1957 15ポイント16ポイント  (2子コメント)

Same here, in addition to the ethics.

I don't care if they're Right or Left. If these professionals and authoritarians want to force their snake oil on gaming, let them come. Gaming will not be found wanting.

[–]Limon_LimeSeven-37k Get. Eleven more drug deals. 48k Get.[S] 11ポイント12ポイント  (1子コメント)

This. If right wing religious fanatics were coming into gaming, I'd fight them off too.

[–]ekudram 6ポイント7ポイント  (0子コメント)

They lost that fight in the 1990's, it will be a while before they come back.

[–]bryoneill11 5ポイント6ポイント  (0子コメント)

Im here for this

[–]MahSoggyKnees 12ポイント13ポイント  (0子コメント)

"We don't want to take away your games."

[–]Leeham721 26ポイント27ポイント  (5子コメント)

Yes but this drama proves that the anti side are extremist ideologues with blatant incestuous defence of their own.

This is ammo to prove that these people don't care about truth as long as you share their politics. This confirms the bias against us from SJW's, that were once called 'bogeymen', because we don't conform to their authoritarian bullshit.

This is why they attacked us. This is why they write about their friends and punish those who are not in the clique.

[–]cfl1 9ポイント10ポイント  (1子コメント)

incestuous

Not sure whether that's clever or gross.

[–]MoarStruts 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

Incestuous as in Sarah Nyberg?

[–]Lodurr8 1ポイント2ポイント  (2子コメント)

I don't think public opinion works that way unfortunately. By proving bias from a specific SJW on a specific topic you don't prove that all their viewpoints past, present and future are biased. That's some weird character assassination-type thinking and if we really followed through with that no one would ever pass that bar--we've all exhibited bias at some point in our lives.

The best tactic would be to let the facts about Sarah Nyberg's statements speak for themselves but I'm afraid that opportunity has already passed. We know how to start a debate but not how to finish it. This debate has ended, we won, let's move on. If a UFC fighter keeps punching his unconscious opponent it no longer matters that he won the fight, he becomes the bad guy. Sarah said some disgusting things in those chat logs but that doesn't mean she deserves weeks on end of being publicly shamed and berated. This is done, let's move on.

[–]AlphaWookie 6ポイント7ポイント  (1子コメント)

By proving bias from a specific SJW on a specific topic you don't prove that all their viewpoints past, present and future are biased.

Bullshit that tactic has worked pretty well on pigeonholing the political right the world over. Wake up high-minded discourse will not work against the likes of the anti's.

[–]razorbeamzRuns /r/loltaku 6ポイント7ポイント  (1子コメント)

You know, /u/Limon_Lime, I see you here a lot. And I like you. Keep fighting the good fight.

[–]Limon_LimeSeven-37k Get. Eleven more drug deals. 48k Get.[S] 5ポイント6ポイント  (0子コメント)

Yeah, I tend to surf the web because working at a computer all day. Now, I'm off to play vidya!

[–]billbot 8ポイント9ポイント  (0子コメント)

Personally I'm out. At least for a while. No sane person can defend butts. It makes me literally ill to think about. And why should I waste my time discussing anything with anyone who could even briefly defend an admitted Pedo. Nothing can be gained from interacting with these completely amoral fucks.

I'm going to play vydia games. If anyone starts up that gamers or games are sexist I'll school them. But I'm not going looking for it. I feel dirty just knowing that the oppision to ethics and truth will take it so far as to defend a fucking pedo, jesus titty fucking christ.

If there is a hell I hope they roast in it. But I can't get into the mud anymore with these fucking hypocritical fuckwits.

[–]Nemo_Lemonjello 7ポイント8ポイント  (1子コメント)

GamerGate has achieved it's final form. From the very outset, consumer advocacy groups were our destiny. We have created new media to replace the groupthink driven cliques. We have Deepfreeze.it to track the offenses of "journalists." It's like a satelite defense system. Instead of emailing advertisers about individual issues, we just compile everything in one place and refuse to click on articles written by those who refuse to live up to any standards of journalistic integrity. We have leagueforgamers.com, where gamers of all stripes can gather and have direct conversations with devs and each other..

We know now that there are many in the industry who despise SJW bullshit, even though they have to fight covertly lest they lose their careers. SPJ shows that even some inside the media have accepted the complaints we've made as legit.

Now is the time to build. We've damaged their fortifications, pushed deep into their territory. We setup our own forts, our own havens. We encourage defectors and normies to come to the safety of our walls. We settle in, and we ignore them. They lose relevancy and their once great cities will lie abandoned and forgotten. I'm convinced that at this point, if we keep on burning their fields we'll end up like Hannibal. Our force it to great for them to take in a fight, so they must try to contain us. They've realized this as well, hence so many sites disabling comments. Therefore, we need to establish our own bastions to sustain us indefinitely.

Of course, building requires a completely different skill set then destroying. For people like me, a simple email bot, there is little more we can do for GamerGate. Now is the time for the veterans of the trenches to move on to other places, fighting SJW's in other areas. Don't get me wrong, I'm not suggesting we abandon the tag. Far from it. It's a flag, planted firmly in the ground, that has waved defiantly for over a year, and it should remain as such. A rallying point to continue the spread of information forever.

SJW's have infested damn near everything. And it is sadly easy for them to convince normalfags they don't exist. The problem with uncovering an actual conspiricay is most people will just assume you're crazy, even more so the second someone says "tinfoil hat." So, to fight them, we have to use the Socratic method; leading other people to figuring out the truth for themselves. THAT is what we have been doing whenever we debate them in public. Their blind faith can never stand up to logic, their "it's okay when we do it," attitude WILL rub many the wrong way. All we have to do is get them to show these things by prodding them the right ways in open debate, and others will see them for what they are. "SJW's are our greatest recruiters" has been said for a very long time now, and it's true.

At least, that's my honest opinion.

[–]C4Cypher 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

GamerGate has achieved it's final form.

Deepfreiza.it

[–]raze2012Noticed by senpai! 5ポイント6ポイント  (3子コメント)

Been a while since I browsed deepfreeze (like, since a month after it launched). Forgot how freaking beautiful the site is.

How's it going content-wise, thuogh? I've heard a lot of things both ways about how GG-centric the journo-judging was (like "being on GJP == offense", even though people like Usher was on it), and just the general infrequency of articles. .

[–]RavenscroftRaven 9ポイント10ポイント  (1子コメント)

Being on GJP and not doing anything about being on GJP is an offense.

Much like if you're an oil baron operating as part of an oil cartel to price-fix, even if you just show up to the meetings for the donuts and profits, you're still complicit enough to warrant mention that you were a part of the price-fixing. Likewise, they are part of the narrative-fixing, or even if they weren't and were instead just there for the weekly lottery pool email, it's still worth mentioning they were a part of said group and what they did within it (IE it is meritous to mention the whistleblowers and naysayers within the group, along with the fact they were whistleblowers and naysayers, when documenting it).

This isn't "maleness" or "whiteness" or some other club certain groups like to lump other groups into based on birth, nature, etc; You volunteered to go into GJP, you volunteer to remain on the mailing list, and you sure as hell volunteer your own opinions into it. "Choice" is at every step of the way on the process, and that is key to note.

[–]thesquibblyone 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

Being included in the logs of GJP doesn't mean that they didn't leave the group once they found it was being used nefariously. They could have contributed to banal conversation and then the second it went sketchy，left.

This is something worth keeping in mind，because the net result would be 1) rejection of GJP once as soon as collusion is noticed and 2) inclusion in a list of GJP members.

[–]BGSacho 4ポイント5ポイント  (0子コメント)

An ethical offense doesn't immediately make you a worthless piece of scum that must be wiped from the face of the Earth. In reality, good journalists will have a long career, and inevitably, some fuck-ups. It's important to keep some perspective and forgive mistakes, as long as there's some actual good will going forward(which many of the people in the deepfreeze gallery haven't shown).

[–]AlseidesDD 5ポイント6ポイント  (0子コメント)

Reading the Doritos category articles causes so much concern in me for the games media.

[–]cybermiester 5ポイント6ポイント  (0子コメント)

I'm here because gamers are under siege by bigots who think that pulling people down somehow makes them better, that what you are trumps who you are or what you have done.

I'm here because gaming media is cheering them on, directing their attacks, even attacking gaming themselves, because gamers called out their corruption, and because they have forgotten the joy of gaming.

I'm here because gamers have always accepted me, for who I am, warts and all. Gaming has comforted me and calmed me through teenage angst, fury at shitty jobs, and the desolation of debilitating terminal illness.

I'm here because #GamerGate is working to help gamers and gaming, and I OWE more than I could ever repay to my hobby and my compatriots!

[–]VirtusSignumWOOOOOOOOOOOOOO! 5ポイント6ポイント  (5子コメント)

I'm just here to pick up chicks. I hear GamerGate has a lot of them... and they are pretty amazing.

[–]MahSoggyKnees 3ポイント4ポイント  (2子コメント)

All kinds bruh ;D

[–]Limon_LimeSeven-37k Get. Eleven more drug deals. 48k Get.[S] 1ポイント2ポイント  (1子コメント)

Duuuude, some hot chicks brah.

[–]MahSoggyKnees 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

Thanks me. You're doing good work. I mean, I'M doing good work.

[–]RavenscroftRaven 2ポイント3ポイント  (1子コメント)

Some hot chicks from the banlist.

[–]MikePatton-yakyakyak 9ポイント10ポイント  (8子コメント)

This is about more than vidya, though. Anti-GGers want to control all of media and impose their radical ideology....the end goal is to propagandize and brainwash the culture-at-large. Whereas, pro-GGers just want to be left the fuck alone.

Yes, this movement started at vidya games but like any war, the dichotomy between the spark that set off the war and the subsequent mission can be quite wide.

[–]solariant -1ポイント0ポイント  (7子コメント)

Hi there,anti gg here,just wanted to reassure you all that I don't want to "control all of media,impose radical ideology..." Etc. Most of the people I've spoken to about it in real life are "anti gg" too...but just in that they think "it's stupid" rather than wantinf to control media,impose ideologies etc.

The actual reason that I am anti-gg is that I think it's making gamers look like a bunch of overgrown crybabies who can't handle criticism and as a lifelong gamer I don't like my hobby being associated with stupidity.

Just thought I'd clear that up for you as I get sick of hearing claims like 'all anti-gg want to control narrative/impose censorship" etc.seriously how would you guys like it if people said things like "all gamergaters are directly involved in misogynistic abuse." ? Is it OK for others to generalise about Gamergaters? Then how is it OK for gamergaters to generalise about "anti gamergaters"?

[–]Limon_LimeSeven-37k Get. Eleven more drug deals. 48k Get.[S] 3ポイント4ポイント  (1子コメント)

You're just a sheep following this insane ideology. Do you really believe the figureheads are pushing for equality? No, they are pushing for control because there's money to be made. If this wasn't a billion dollar industry, you would have never seen the media become the propaganda machine it has become. All of the political opportunists would have left.

[–]solariant -4ポイント-3ポイント  (0子コメント)

If I'm a sheep, you're a crackpot conspiracy theorist. Who do you mean by "the figureheads"? AS/BW/ZQ? Yes I am sure they want to make some money, like we all do, but I believe they are motivated by a desire to see social equality. And yes you are right that the media is a propaganda machine. But not in the way you think - they make money by keeping their advertisers happy, which is why the REAL corruption is in the relationships between AAA publishers and the media, not a small clique of indie developers and feminist critics.

Do you really think EA/Ubi/Warner's board members want to see a feminist-led dictatorship take power? And stop them making the games they've made billions with, and force them to make nothing but "politically correct" girl-friendly mobile games? If you do, then sorry, you're a paranoid conspiracy theorist.

But, Gamergate is for the most part blind to AAA corruption - because there's a large proportion of it which is far more motivated by its blind and irrational hatred of feminists/progressives, than it is by corruption between AAA publishers and journos.

[–]bobcat/r/AfterlifeEmpire 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

how would you guys like it if people said things like "all gamergaters are directly involved in misogynistic abuse."

They STARTED with that, and we didn't like it. And you are still saying that.

Need I remind you gamerghazi started as "the right wing gamer crybabies playpen"? All because we didn't like being declared dead after spending half a trillion dollars on our hobby.

[–]bcwalker 0ポイント1ポイント  (3子コメント)

You're a Social Justice Warrior, and SJWs Always Lie. You are disqualified. Ghazi's over there.

[–]solariant -1ポイント0ポイント  (2子コメント)

Lol ok, you're "proving" me wrong with the title of a book written by a known right-wing conspiracy nut.

[–]bcwalker 0ポイント1ポイント  (1子コメント)

Look, a coward who won't admit it when caught out spewing bullshit! Point at it. Point at it and laugh!

[–]solariant -1ポイント0ポイント  (0子コメント)

And you guys wonder why no one thinks GGers are worth the effort of talking to...

[–]DMXONLIKETENVIAGRAS 5ポイント6ポイント  (0子コメント)

the problem we have is that utterly despicable pieces of shit are still considered normal trustworthy people by the msm and by gullible readers

like this srhbutts drama has shown all we really need to do is show people how fucked in the head all the people crying about gg really are and what their real motivations are

its hand in hand with ethical journalism because these are the assholes stopping it from happening by lying their ass off continually

[–]NottaUser 18ポイント19ポイント  (2子コメント)

I'm here to hate on womyn and grills. Also minorities since I am a racist/sexist conservative! (Since all conservatives are clearly totes racists and sexists ya'll).

So what the fuck are you on about? Don't pretend to talk for me ya sh!tlord. Now if you'll excuse me, some of us are actually trying to drive the womyns out of the gaming industry you fucking cuck.

/ifyoucan'tpickupthatthisismeantasajokeandnotseriousthenyouareanidiot

[–]sdaciuk 6ポイント7ポイント  (1子コメント)

Hey man, you just need to stare at Ryu's abs until that toxic masculinity melts away.

[–]RavenscroftRaven 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

At the risk that the link leads to Ryulong's abs, I shall refrain from clicking.

[–]Daedelous2k 3ポイント4ポイント  (0子コメント)

Let this be known to any SJW who dares to label GG as what they think it is.

You can think of it whatever suits your narrative or pity calling, to me, it's all about wanting to be able to believe what I read in gaming nowadays and feel like my hobby is all about fun and not about being a platform for corrupt moneygrubbing shitbags who see gamers are sheep to be led around by their narrative..

[–]Nijata 4ポイント5ポイント  (0子コメント)

I'm waiting for the next move, either something to help point out there's a lack of ethical efforts/disclosure amoung their numbers. While DF is cool reference it's only reporting on already known and proven things. It's like all things, there's a down time/waiting period and we're in it currently.

With Nyberg it's a great example of how they are protecting their own and trying to shut up anyone talking negatively (even calling us on the same things.) on a less journalistic level, though we have evidence of wrong doing and elements that confirm elements of the story (the dmca). While it's not Grayson screwing an indie dev, it does show elements of the same thing we have been sayin about "when we point out something clearly wrong they write it off as sexism/soggy knees/transphobic & we're vilified ".

[–]Dohnought8765 2ポイント3ポイント  (1子コメント)

My issue is this.

We should be able to post "GG is about ethics in media. Look at r/kia to prove that.". We should be proud and eager to post that.

For the last week everything that made it to the top of kia has been about one person. The only people who would post the above sentence is that time would be anti-ethics, because the front page of Kia is a mockery of any claim of ethics being the focus.

It's not a coincidence that the flood of people who used to post " I came here and now see that anti-ethics posters on twitter and other subs are now full of crap" have stopped.

Is a single person committing a heinous crime important. Yes. Should it be discussed. Yes. Does it have a place here, on this sub, no. This current state of affairs just makes them look right, because even though they lied about us and 8chan, and we're now telling the truth, to the general population they simply claim that we are attempting to drag them down to us, and it will be believed. It is a very old political trick, and is very effective. The best way to beat it is to stick to your guns and show that you are the better person, not to try and beat a master of shitslinging like SJW cliques.

This current focus is not making a difference. It is losing fight that will only lead to them wining.

[–]MahSoggyKnees 6ポイント7ポイント  (0子コメント)

For the last week everything that made it to the top of kia has been about one person

This is pretty routine when dealing with major happenings. Don't worry, it'll die off. 50,000+ volunteer users aren't going turn on a dime. Sure it can be frustrating, but remember that if you need to back away and come back after enough of us have thrown our two cents in, you can. In fact, off-and-on participation in GG is the best way I've found to keep a level head and ward off frustration at our hangups. The tradeoff for our longevity and constitution is what comes with being an undead abomination. The beast won't jump when commanded or turn on a dime no matter how much you might want it to sometimes.

And yeah, the beast frequently meanders as well.

[–]GOU_NoMoreMrNiceGuy 5ポイント6ポイント  (2子コメント)

best solution written right there - if you don't like a thread, stop bitching about it and don't participate in it.

in seeking to silence and ban messages you don't like, you're getting to be just like our sjw enemies.

[–]solariant -5ポイント-4ポイント  (1子コメント)

Also, in the way that you support unethical publications because you happen to agree with their political ideologies (breitbart) are you not also getting to be just like the "sjw enemies"?

Also in the way that you try to silence those with opinions you disagree with (like emailing advertisers,or reporting people to the FTC) are you not becoming like the sjw enemies?

By supporting game devs who make terrible games,simply because you agree with their ideologies (Hatred,the TFYC game) are you not becoming like your sjw enemies?

Theres actually quite a few ways in which you are similar to SJWs if you think about it.

[–]GOU_NoMoreMrNiceGuy 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

i've argued that. that our email campaigns are an attempt to shut down voices that we find disagreeable.

but some of your other points are poorly thought out if thought out at all and it's a waste of my time so i'll elide over them.

it's a matter of degrees.

there's a great deal that the american army had in common with the nazis. both sides used guns. both sides killed people. both sides killed innocent people.

BUT

there is still a distinction to be had.

to point out that there are commonalities between us and sjws is like saying the sky is blue. no fucking shit, sherlock...

my exhortation is that we don't become EXACTLY like them to the extent that it's like the american army gassing jews.

[–]Templar_Knight07 6ポイント7ポイント  (5子コメント)

This has been a critique one person laid at me lately in a Youtube comment.

"When I look at KIA, I see more posts on SJWs and Drama that has absolutely no relation to ethics in video games. Yet, I'm supposed to believe that GG represents supporting ethics in video games?"

This is basically the same argument Arthur Chu used against us on Pakman's show, and although it trivializes the issues that surround the GG movement, its not entirely wrong. We cannot become bogged down with fighting a war against SJWism, its not a battle I think we can win without losing sight of our original purpose.

At the same time, the whole reason this came about was because SJWs and Journalists were equating us to be the scum of the Earth in terms of human beings, so its only natural to reverse the argument by showing just how filthy so many of them are, and how terrible they are at what they do.

Its an important thing to do in order to lend perspective to the neutrals, but we also have to remember that its not going to help us progress in our goals unless it entirely removes that opponent from play, which hasn't been the case for 90% of the people we discuss and whose actions we reveal. Because nobody cares about them right now, they care about real issues and arguments.

So, perhaps its something to keep in mind going forward, keep the focus on seeking out ethical violations within the industry all over the world, let the bees do their buzzing around our heads and give them a casual swipe away every now and then, but they have no power over us if we can convince others that we are right.

[–]Limon_LimeSeven-37k Get. Eleven more drug deals. 48k Get.[S] 3ポイント4ポイント  (4子コメント)

"When I look at KIA, I see more posts on SJWs and Drama that has absolutely no relation to ethics in video games. Yet, I'm supposed to believe that GG represents supporting ethics in video games?"

That's just trivializing us.

[–]Templar_Knight07 6ポイント7ポイント  (3子コメント)

That's what I said, though the guy refused to accept the fact that many of the posts that weren't tagged with the "Ethics" tag actually did relate to ethics in video games, he was more concerned about how much we talked about several of the LWs, who he claimed "Had no bearing on video games."

[–]Limon_LimeSeven-37k Get. Eleven more drug deals. 48k Get.[S] 5ポイント6ポイント  (2子コメント)

Well, when publications are using them as poster child and giving them platforms to spew their shit, fuck yeah it's relevant. Now, could we do better and not worry about everything they say, yes, but we aren't perfect, and the people who complain about it, want us to be and that's not going to happen.

[–]Templar_Knight07 2ポイント3ポイント  (1子コメント)

True enough, which is why I made the point of saying that what we're doing when we go after journalists and people like the LWs on their BS isn't pointless, they've made themselves part of this debate and discussion to the point where they hate being ignored. I was just saying how a couple of people (in all honesty, likely trolls who support the opposition or just plain trolls), are taking fresh jabs at us.

[–]Limon_LimeSeven-37k Get. Eleven more drug deals. 48k Get.[S] 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

No doubt, but nothing gonna sway me and I hope that's same for all of us.

[–]codeGrit 2ポイント3ポイント  (1子コメント)

The problem with just focusing on ethics is it's not a battle that can be won. If we haven't changed the way these outlets act throughout the past year, we never will. We don't have the sway, nor the power, to make it beneficial for them to change.

They don't care if we don't read them. They don't care if they're unethical. It literally doesn't matter to the Kotakus, Polygons, Leighs, etc of the world. In fact, they are banking on us not liking them because that means we'll talk more about them. Which, in turn, generates more clicks.

In order to get the power needed to make actual change we'd have to organize. We'd need leaders, members, etc. We'd need to basically open ourselves up for direct leader attacks and take over.

I know this is going to be an unpopular post, but its really the reality of the situation. We have no real power to force anyone to do things they don't want to do. It's sort of fruitless to continue the "only ethics" mantra.

And continuing it plays right into their hands. Keep spouting that and anytime anyone mentions a non-journo, we get the "actually it's about..." memes. It's what they want as it keeps an easy attack vector open for them.

Rather than spearhead ourselves into only one thing, we should take the opportunity to make progress in other areas - such as outing those who declared a culture war on gamers as insane fucking cultists. We should embrace all paths open to us, rather than wall off the uncomfortable ones.

Yes that includes ethics. Yes that includes pushing back against the ideologues. They're going to say we're anti-social justice no matter what we do, just like we continue to be all white, all straight, and all socks. So why not take that away from them. Own it and push back.

The best way to stop an emotional bully like these people is to nod in agreement with their assertions. They're going for that emotional response. That pain that causes a knee jerk reaction. Don't give it to them. In fact, embrace their assertions. They'll quickly get the hint and scramble for a new way to attack.

Just my two pennies.

[–]Limon_LimeSeven-37k Get. Eleven more drug deals. 48k Get.[S] 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

I understand that too that it's more than ethics, I just want everyone to remember that's it's video games we are here for.

[–]ClitInstantWoodThe Bear GG 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

Wanting to reform the game press and build better alternatives is the ultimate goal but don't you forget: the cliques are still the gatekeepers and have a very strong PR arm. Putting pressure on butts made all of them run to protect her honor and it is currently their weak spot. If we don't cripple the cliques, all this collective effort will be for nothing. Any alternative that we build we be a target of their blacklists and backstage deals. This is not about Butts or whatever pos that appears next, it's about damaging the cartel (or in this came make them damage themselves) so their power weakens and they lose their weight on dictating games content, and also let other projects at least stand a chance competing with them. The journalism reform will come naturally after that.

[–]frankenmine/r/WerthamInAction - #ComicGate 6ポイント7ポイント  (0子コメント)

Because we have been trained our whole lives to save the world from destruction by evil cabals.

What's once more?

[–]TheGameWonk 6ポイント7ポイント  (2子コメント)

I've been a little out of it in terms of any inner-GG drama; what happened?

If we're infighting then I'd say we need to remember (and illustrate because you know the antis will try and trumpet that Gamers are Dead (again)...) that friends, colleagues, and shitlords will always have disagreements on certain things, but we're all here for the common goal of better ethics in journalism (and for me, a more libertarian view of media: let creators create and don't try to stifle that creativity).

We're above the petty sniping that the SJW ourorboros do so much. We can disagree, but we need to avoid eating our own (and I think we're pretty solid on having a big tent).

[–]MahSoggyKnees 11ポイント12ポイント  (1子コメント)

Pretty much the usual when there's a major happening. You've got your portion of us that takes it as:

  • a sign from the Almighty to spilleth yon spaghetti.
  • God's blessing to leaderfag.
  • a personal soapbox to denounce "excessive" commentary/discussion of said major happening in a leaderless forum of 50,000+ users who all need to "move on now".
  • a good time to inspire and motivate so as to not be distracted by the above (OP).
  • Tuesday.

To say nothing of the usual one or two that decide it's time to ragequit GG and shit on everyone on the way out b/c:

We're above the petty sniping that the SJW ourorboros do so much. We can disagree, but we need to avoid eating our own (and I think we're pretty solid on having a big tent).

That's the GG I'm here for. The one where people come before the writ of ideology (or personal beef).

edit: link, format

[–]ThePixelPirate -1ポイント0ポイント  (0子コメント)

Don't forget the babies that can't stand being told they might be wrong about something without accusing everyone of tone policing or being a shill.

[–]IIHotelYorba 3ポイント4ポイント  (0子コメント)

Nothing changes. Fight all you want.

If all of GG breaks apart tomorrow, everyone will come together under some other hashtag because we have the same goals. No one is going to fight so hard that all of GG will start loving corrupt SJW shenanigans.

I never thought so many different people would get along so well. That's why from the beginning I focused on getting information out there. I figured people would all use it for their own selfish interests, and things would build much slower. I never thought you guys would be bosom buddies, trading navel porn, or meeting up live.

These fights are a fart in a hurricane.

[–]TreuloseTomate 6ポイント7ポイント  (24子コメント)

Who the fuck is Sarah Nyberg?

[–]Dindu_Muffins 3ポイント4ポイント  (4子コメント)

A pedophile tranny who aGG is still defending.

[–]SuperShake66652 1ポイント2ポイント  (3子コメント)

She's a scumbag, no doubt, but I don't see what her being trans has to do with it.

[–]AlphaWookie 5ポイント6ポイント  (0子コメント)

If she was still a he they would be burning it at the stake don't be dense. If you think differently you have not been paying attention, double standards are the anti's bread and butter.

[–]Limon_LimeSeven-37k Get. Eleven more drug deals. 48k Get.[S] 6ポイント7ポイント  (0子コメント)

It does in the sense that if she was still male, they wouldn't be defending her.

[–]Dindu_Muffins 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

Well, it's one of the major reasons they're defending her, you transphobic bigot you.

[–]Swineflew1 4ポイント5ポイント  (17子コメント)

This subs fucking obsession. We need another 75 posts a day about her so we can beat the dead horse a few more times.
Edit: bring on the downvotes, sometimes the truth hurts.

[–]Reginleifer 15ポイント16ポイント  (2子コメント)

Sometimes you need to beat the corpse a little more to ensure they don't rise as a zombie.

Vidya 101 here. Especially considering that the good SJW's are still defending her..

[–]ThishorsesucksIndominus REKT 13ポイント14ポイント  (1子コメント)

Exactly, did nobody here play Deadspace 1? Gotta destroy all the corpses to make sure they can't become necromorphs.

[–]Immahnoob 7ポイント8ポイント  (0子コメント)

Another person that can only discuss the first subject they see before going on cooldown.

[–]DMXONLIKETENVIAGRAS 6ポイント7ポイント  (2子コメント)

regular people need to know how fucked agg are as people

that helps gg far more than complaining about the media, we already know they have no morals

[–]Lodurr8 -5ポイント-4ポイント  (1子コメント)

If one person making a questionable statement on a website somewhere at some point is a way to forever disqualify them from public discourse, well none of us would be able to talk. This isn't the home run you think this is. We look more bitter and obsessed and petty each day that this goes on. Sarah already admitted she said those things and apologized so that's it, we won, let's take our victory graciously rather than drag it on and on until we become the assholes.

[–]DMXONLIKETENVIAGRAS 7ポイント8ポイント  (0子コメント)

If one person making a questionable statement on a website somewhere at some point is a way to forever disqualify them from public discourse, well none of us would be able to talk.

haha what

you know what she wrote right

i can guarantee ive never said or done anything that fucked up and i question anyone who relates to it tbh

This isn't the home run you think this is.

yeah it is, judging by the anti gg reaction to it

Sarah already admitted she said those things and apologized so that's it, we won, let's take our victory graciously

bullshit, shes unrepentant and is now pretending that she was just "trolling" and that shes somehow the victim

shes literally claiming people are trying to get her killed and ignoring the real issue

its not trolling to share pictures of kids in swimsuits and fantasise about your family members

rather than drag it on and on until we become the assholes.

they already lie about that shit so who gives a fuck what they think

their reputation is going to be dirt and its funny to me, and this really isnt going away

[–]H_Guderian 4ポイント5ポイント  (0子コメント)

Nay, I upvote ye! While I think it was good to scrap that person off our backs, now that aGG is weakened we can get back to doing some work.

[–]Limon_LimeSeven-37k Get. Eleven more drug deals. 48k Get.[S] 2ポイント3ポイント  (1子コメント)

Obsession? No I wouldn't that, but I will agree that we have too many threads, but it happens when people don't check /new. It's always cluttered when there's a big happening. It's not surprising people would be up in arms about Butts considering she's spent the last year shitting on us with lies and deceit all while the media continuously uses her as a credible source. It is an ethics problem.

[–]RavenscroftRaven 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

Every "happening", every "drama", every "chucklefuck", every "sempai noticed me", every "gamedrop" gets tons of attention. That is the nature of the internet: Copypasta, hundreds of reblogs, claiming old content as OC, and freaking out over every single thing.

[–]arcticblue 0ポイント1ポイント  (2子コメント)

I made /r/srhbutts last night. No content yet, but people are free to post whatever over there if it gets too overwhelming here.

[–]thesquibblyone 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

And the second there is content it will be deleted for targeted harassment.

Ninja edit: by “it”，I mean the sub.

[–]bobcat/r/AfterlifeEmpire 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

You should make her a mod.

[–]ChoujinDensetsu -5ポイント-4ポイント  (2子コメント)

It's because of the breitbart criclejerk on KiA. I wish OP brought that up, it's one of the main reasons why I don't come here much anymore.

[–]ekudram 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

We should make this so. Bury it in a week and move on.

[–]mnemosyne-0000#BotYourShield / https://i.imgur.com/6X3KtgD.jpg 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

Archive links for this post:

I am Mnemosyne, goddess of memory. I remember so you don't have to.

[–]adequateharpy1 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

Since GG is about journalism ethics, why doesn't it set out a clear code of ethics for journalism that gaming websites who want to be balanced and fair can prescribe to.

[–]FirionDarklight 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

We are here to play games and drink from cups made of SJWs' skulls. :)

[–]Sapphiretri 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

Im here cause I need to kill 10 mins for my pizza order to be done... well at least today

[–]Jrix 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

Frankly, my life isn't exciting. I come here to feel passionate rage.

[–]Feel_Free_To_Downvot 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

I am here because I was told GGers are cool and I will be cool guy! /s

Seriously, for me GamerGate is bigger than kia, twitter or whatever, Ideas, on which GG is based should mold the future of art in the age of internet and social media.

To be more specific

  1. Is GG against mass outrage culture? Check
  2. Is GG against groupthinking/wrongthinking ? Check
  3. Is GG is favor free market? Check
  4. Is GG pro free speech and anti space safe? Check
  5. Is GG against cliques and corruption ? Check

All those points are basis for for the environment where artists (gamedevs, writers, comics artists....) feel comfortable to produce their work and by work I mean product free from bullshit

[–]IAMPOUNDCAKEIs also 0.453592 kilogramcake 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

I like the cut of your jib sir.

[–]DeathBattleFan1238===D 1ポイント2ポイント  (3子コメント)

Great, another post telling me why I'm here. Thanks. That clears everything up, because I didn't know why I was here, apparently.

[–]Limon_LimeSeven-37k Get. Eleven more drug deals. 48k Get.[S] 8ポイント9ポイント  (1子コメント)

I was just trying to do an inspirational post. Sorry.

[–]iSuperfusionzx -1ポイント0ポイント  (0子コメント)

does anyone know who was on the list?

[–]Maxcoseti 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

"if discussing certain people or certain ideas can help out cause, then I see no reason they should be off limits"

You are missing the point, when people say you shouldn't "discuss people", they are saying they believe it could hurt the cause, not because it's off-topic, you are free to ignore them of course if you think otherwise of course, but you made it sound like arguing over people is "off limits" arbitrarily.

[–]mnemosyne-0000#BotYourShield / https://i.imgur.com/6X3KtgD.jpg -1ポイント0ポイント  (0子コメント)

Archive links for this discussion:

I am Mnemosyne, goddess of memory. I remember so you don't have to.

[–]Shadow_the_Banhog 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

We need to focus on establishing a caliphate governed by hardcore law.

[–]The_Mad_Pirate 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

I see "Ethics in Video Game Journalism" not as a goal but as a mean. The thing is I see #GamerGate not as collective but more as an individualistic concept.

So , in my perception , every gamer has a different "goal", achiving Ethics in Video Game Journalism will help secure a space where freedom of thougth, expression and action are assured, at least in a high enough level to let every gamer get to his/her actual passion driven "goal". Be it made a informed video game purchase, be it discuss fandom and canon of a video game in an open minded way without censorship, be it express their opinion and criticism toward this so-called "pop culture media critics", be it being able to talk about a gamer's love and passion about cosplay even if it's a cosplay of a sexy reavealing character without being marked as "sexist" or "misogynist" ,etc.

That's because gamers lack the hive minded attitude collectivist SJWs have. That's why SJWs get confussed thinking "Ethics in Video Game" is a goal, when , at least in my opinion, is a means to an end. An end that's particulary fitted to the passion and needs of each gamer.

[–]bcwalker 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

Oliver Campbell pointed out on a Honey Badger stream months ago (if I recall correctly) that we have a co-morbidity issue. The SocJus cultism and the Ethics corruption are intertwined so deeply that it is impossible to solve one without addressing the other. Attempting to divide what cannot be sundered inevitably fails; it's no different than rehabbing an addict and then returning them to the very polluted environment that made addiction happen- relapse is only a matter of time.

You, the specific individual, can emphasize one or the other as your time, talent, and resources permit. Gamergate as a whole, on the other hand, must deal with both the fangs and the tail to slay the serpent. Do not mistake the specific for the general, the macro for the micro, or deny the connection between the tree and the forest; we got where we are because we handled both aspects as best we could. Endgame, such as it is, means scaling up to handle the big root, through which we'll get what we want.

We gotta go to the Anti homeworld and take it on at the source. Who the hell do they think we are? Of course we can do this, and win, properly. We Spirals now. Every man come when they can to do what they can as best they can, rotate out when weary, and rotate back when fresh and ready for the fight. We are the drill, and we can not only pierce the heavens- we can, and will, remake them.

[–]GarryMcMahon 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

I'm here because prejudiced arseholes couldn't accept the idea that they were the corrupt, privileged ones.

[–]magechron 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

In the immortal words of George Carlin "Make plastic, Asshole!"

[–]mr_rivers1 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

Here Here.

Let the police deal with the alleged sickos. We're here to talk to reasonable people about ethics.

None of you can do a damn thing about anything else, as we say ALL the fucking time, if someone has committed a crime, let the police sort it out, and keep the conversation rolling.

[–]loltrolled 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

Because we were born, man.

[–]tinkertoy78 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

Thanks for the reminder.

[–]cfl1 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

Despite all the pettyhilarious drama going on right now

[–]Stoppingto-goForward -1ポイント0ポイント  (0子コメント)

Interesting reading this considering what we talked about on my post "where do we go from here"

[–]killmachine91 -5ポイント-4ポイント  (2子コメント)

Can we stop jerking ourselves off with these posts?

We shouldn't need to justify our existence because that's not important. What IS important is ethics in game journalism.

[–]Limon_LimeSeven-37k Get. Eleven more drug deals. 48k Get.[S] -1ポイント0ポイント  (1子コメント)

I'm not really trying to jerk anything. Just a call to focus and stop the drama.

[–]killmachine91 -1ポイント0ポイント  (0子コメント)

The problem is these posts are becoming common lately and I'm sick of it. I want to focus on the real issues. If we're having problems so much that these posts NEED to be common, maybe that speaks to the strength of our movement and how our priorities aren't straight.

[–]Sylphied -2ポイント-1ポイント  (0子コメント)

There's something rotten in the Games Industry

If the rest of you focused on doing that, I would have no differences with anyone here.