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[–]spartanburger91 2ポイント3ポイント  (1子コメント)

And you didn't see this coming? This is what happens when you play with meteorblade's alt accounts.

[–]akoladaMadam Moderator[S] 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

I thought if I tried that I could make it work.

It was dumb but I don't regret trying. It only reaffirmed my beliefs!

[–]GiggaWat 3ポイント4ポイント  (3子コメント)

That's bullshit. Too bad, this sub had hope.. but as always, goes to shit when the real colors come out.

[–]akoladaMadam Moderator[S] 2ポイント3ポイント  (1子コメント)

Thank you for being a positive contributor. I'm sorry to see this sub go the way I visualized when I was asked to mod.

I had high hopes and I'm sorry to see this happen.

[–]GiggaWat 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

Don't be sorry, it's not your fault. You were straight up and honest, but you can't stop people from "shooting themselves in the foot", as we say in America.

[–]rosinthebow -1ポイント0ポイント  (0子コメント)

It happens with every sub that's on this topic and moderated by partisan moderators for a certain side. Eventually they get upset about losing arguments and ban everyone who disagrees with them while leaving their supporters free to post, no matter how abusive. It's happened in many other subs before this and will happen here. Mark my words.

[–]jbustter2 2ポイント3ポイント  (5子コメント)

Im sorry to hear that. You were very balanced and thoughtful with how you dealt with issues here. And I appreciate you as a person as well. Hopefully this subreddit wont go too down too far and actually achive something.

see you in /r/israel

[–]akoladaMadam Moderator[S] 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

Glad to have you in r/Israel :)

Thank you for being a great contributor. I'm sorry to see this sub go the way I visualized when I was asked to mod.

I had high hopes.

[–]FAREEQAWALModerator -1ポイント0ポイント  (3子コメント)

Hopefully this subreddit wont go too down too far and actually achive something

I don't think it will.

[–]jbustter2 4ポイント5ポイント  (1子コメント)

to be honest, i think one of the issues is that there are alot of people who are not Palestinians who live in Israel or jewish who are not Israeli.

threads that are offensive or for the sake of Argument will always exists when there are parties who come to this subreddit just to fight over who is right, and are not open to other perspectives, but I actually learned several things on perspective of Palestinians, even if not much.

[–]FAREEQAWALModerator 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

That's not a bad assessment.

[–]uncannylizard 0ポイント1ポイント  (42子コメント)

This is all over the stupid ethnic cleansing rule? Seriously who cares. It's not that big of a deal. It's not discussed that often on this sub and when it is it doesn't change the conversation that much.

Both of you (akolada and qual) should grow up. I blame both of you for not dropping the issue. Just like I blame both Israel and Palestine for giving a shit about minor details about control over holy sites. Seriously there are more important issues here.

[–]yuksare 3ポイント4ポイント  (0子コメント)

Rules are rules, agreements are agreements. If one of the mods agrees with them and then unilaterally breaks them, it's impossible to work with such person.

[–]akoladaMadam Moderator[S] 5ポイント6ポイント  (18子コメント)

I didn't leave because of the rule itself, I left because our democratic voting system for the mods was abused and a moderator took action without a vote. He has even now unbanned three users without consulting the remaining Israeli mod.

I completely disagree with unilateral moderation. I followed the rules, there is no reason everyone else should not be forced to do the same.

Happy to clarify that, though. I would have been fine to discuss the rule, but it was changed before anyone even asked.

[–]Rocketdown [スコア非表示]  (3子コメント)

What's the ethnic cleansing rule? I glanced at the side bar and didn't see anything like that

[–]akoladaMadam Moderator[S] [スコア非表示]  (2子コメント)

That's because the mod removed it without a vote.

[–]Rocketdown [スコア非表示]  (1子コメント)

What was the rule in the first place, an outright ban on claiming ethnic cleansing was occurring, or was it permissible to make such claims provided you brought noteworthy and applicable points to support it?

[–]akoladaMadam Moderator[S] [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

The rule was on the sidebar in the section about comments that will be deleted and was heavily moderated using the context of the discussion.

Discussing the Nakba, for example, was okay as long as it was done in the context of historical debate. However, claiming that Israelis are currently genocidal, ethnic cleansing Nazis was not okay because it is inflammatory and meant to derail a conversation. It was there to give recourse for the second type of comment because those appeared quite frequently in the beginning of the sub.

The reason I resigned was not because of the rule itself. I would have discussed that with the mods even though I heavily disagreed with the proposal. So I would have given a "no" vote. However, the rule was deleted unilaterally with no vote which goes against the premise of the moderation standards of this sub where everything is voted on in order to remain fair and keep power checked.

With a topic such as Israel, it is very very important to run a sub like this with strict moderation rules so that no one side throws the sub into a biased tailspin based on emotion and sadly that's exactly what happened today.

[–]uncannylizard 0ポイント1ポイント  (13子コメント)

Seems like Qual did it out of a fit of emotion since his family was directly effected by the event which must not be named. i think you two could kiss and make up pretty easily if you wanted. its a pretty minor drama over a minor rule on a tiny sub.

[–]jbustter2 1ポイント2ポイント  (5子コメント)

without refering to much to what you said. dont put someones real name here, please edit it out.

[–]uncannylizard 1ポイント2ポイント  (4子コメント)

what real names?

[–]jbustter2 0ポイント1ポイント  (3子コメント)

you said: Qual

[–]uncannylizard [スコア非表示]  (2子コメント)

is there a rule against using people's usernames?

[–]jbustter2 [スコア非表示]  (1子コメント)

my bad, i didnt notice it was part of his username

[–]uncannylizard [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

yeah i dont know what his real name is. qual doesn't sound like a palestinian first name but i could be wrong.

[–]yuksare 1ポイント2ポイント  (1子コメント)

Oh, if it was just an impulse, he can easily undo it, right? Maybe you should try to convince him, not akolada. After all, he broke the rules. I'm sure he'll listen to you!

[–]akoladaMadam Moderator[S] 1ポイント2ポイント  (4子コメント)

My family is directly effected by many things in this country and I still follow the rules.

shrug

I'm not interested in this sub any longer. I'd advise any Israelis approached to moderate it to consider this event carefully while making their decision.

[–]uncannylizard 1ポイント2ポイント  (3子コメント)

How are rule changes supposed to happen? By majority vote by mods?

[–]akoladaMadam Moderator[S] 3ポイント4ポイント  (2子コメント)

Indeed. All major changes and most bans are by a 3 out of 4 vote by mods.

Today

  • a rule was changed with no vote

  • the subreddit was edited with no vote

  • multiple users were unbanned with no vote

  • I was removed as moderater before I had a chance to quit, with no vote.

The last time a moderator was removed it was by majority vote. I proposed a rule change yesterday and did not have enough votes so I didn't change anything.

This is simply intolerable behavior.

[–]uncannylizard [スコア非表示]  (1子コメント)

Well I agree with you and I messaged them to show my disapproval (idk if they care).

[–]akoladaMadam Moderator[S] [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

Well I agree with you - Uncannylizard

That's one for the quote books.

Unfortunately, it seems they've made their decision. Good luck to everyone moving forward. Enjoy the sub.

[–]yuksare [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

In addition to my previous reply to you.

So, there are certain agreements. If he so easily broke some of them because of his feelings, what will stop him from breaking other mod agreements with the same excuse?

That's why it's impossible to work in such conditions. I actually experienced this sort of drama before, when I was a mod of a community in a Russian social network. The creator of the community broke our agreements because of his feelings too. After short drama and discussion me and two other mods quitted just as /u/akolada quitted now.

There is the only way to fix the problem: he should admit that he is wrong, undo all changes and let the mods vote about them. I doubt he will.

[–]FAREEQAWALModerator -1ポイント0ポイント  (0子コメント)

It is something to think about...

[–]Adios_Pantalones 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

And just like that, this sub is dead. I enjoyed it while it was balanced and sad to have it spiral into likes of /r/Palestine.

[–]kilroy_human [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

i don't want to start a conversation about it because i really don't understand moderation politics but i find this pretty unfortunate. thanks for being our mod dude/human.

[–]FAREEQAWALModerator[M] -6ポイント-5ポイント  (7子コメント)

Thank you for your contribution. You are truly a wonderful person and I know this idea was a tough one however, I cannot ignore my heritage, the past and current issues.

I want to affirm that I am not angry with you. I respect you very much, and I hope we can continue our dialogues together either here or you other subs...

Thank you again!

[–]literallycat [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

however, I cannot ignore my heritage, the past and current issues.

This sounds like too much pride to me.

[–]akoladaMadam Moderator[S] 5ポイント6ポイント  (5子コメント)

Oh that's rich.

[–]WiseCynic -5ポイント-4ポイント  (2子コメント)

the sub is going to shit. Get out while you can.

Perhaps it WAS going to shit, but the subreddit owner seems to have taken the steps necessary to save it from that fate. Salaam!

[–]rosinthebow 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

With time and effort, it might be as open and well traveled as /r/Palestine!