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MetaAn Apology. (self.Vive)

lesi20 が 投稿

Hello Guys.

I was the moderator who made the HTC Community manager a moderator himself. Fort hat i got demoted which is understanable I already told the moderator team that I was terribly sorry but I owe you guys an apology too.

Didn't know this gonna happend. Didn't wanted this to happend... But let it be know my Mistake wasn't for the money... I didn't do this for any perks... I know its hard to believe withouth any proof but.... I just wanted (selfishly) to make a community who worsks closely with the related company...

/u/500500 posted the whole mod mail. http://i.imgur.com/I7zfNKE.jpg

There was a messaging 12 days ago what I wasn't really paying attention. Basicly 500500 said that he wouldn't be happy for a HTC connection around this subreddit. I didn't read it sadly. I should have, since it was a moderator mail. Rift PM'd me quite after this if I know anything about 500 dissapearence. I acted because I was under 500500 rank that time http://imgur.com/UkminNy So I made the HTC guy a moderator.

The reason I though It was a reasonable thing to do is because I moderate Just Cause subreddit which works closely with Avalanche Studios. I though the same could apply here... But I was wrong.

There was no private (or any) messaging between me or HTC. I never talked about perks or anything. I just ( again selfishly) wanted to create a community working closely with HTC.

I'm also sorry for my poor english. I wish this community the best!

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[–]interestingsex 35ポイント36ポイント  (0子コメント)

It's alright, thanks for sharing your apology and reflecting on the situation. Everyone makes mistakes... Sometimes again and again, but acknowledging them openly and genuinely making a change allows you to grow. Thanks for your service to this sub and good luck in the future. This can make you a better more thoughtful moderator and more understanding in the future if a peer makes a similar mistake.

[–]ChickenOverlord 69ポイント70ポイント  (41子コメント)

Even if the perks weren't your motivation, transparent moderation means avoiding even the appearance of corruption. And even if your motivations were honest, the consequences (giving someone with a clear conflict of interest mod powers over the sub) are unacceptable and you should have known better.

[–]lesi20[S] 35ポイント36ポイント  (37子コメント)

I know! You are totally right, I should have know better! The Modmail shows that I didn't even thought about this could cause corruption!

[–]Iplaymeinreallife 16ポイント17ポイント  (3子コメント)

Sorry to be butting my head in, as I'm not really part of this subreddit, but I just wanted to point out that if you didn't see, or even consider, how this could lead to a conflict or corruption, or at the very least the possiblity or appearance of those things, then you definitely shouldn't be a mod.

[–]lesi20[S] 30ポイント31ポイント  (2子コメント)

Yeah, you are right tbh.

[–]danpascooch 50ポイント51ポイント  (1子コメント)

I gotta say though, many people are giving you shit but it takes a lot to publicly make an apology like this, and I think you at least deserve props for that.

[–]randomawesome 9ポイント10ポイント  (0子コメント)

Good god, I'm sick of what a big deal all of you people are making out of this non-story.

Can we all please get over this simple misunderstanding and focus on VR again? Fucking hell.

[–]CookieDoughCooter 12ポイント13ポイント  (1子コメント)

Jesus, you people are harsh. Lighten up a little.

[–]randomawesome 6ポイント7ポイント  (0子コメント)

Seriously.

Nothing like a good ole fashioned witch hunt... Reddit in particular seems to love these.

The guy obviously had the best of intentions.

[–]Calyxo 24ポイント25ポイント  (2子コメント)

I don't think it's damning to want to work together to bring quality to a community, nor do I think it's "selfish" to want a community with close interactions to the thing that community is based around.

Nor do I think any of this was a corporation trying to infringe on anyone.

It seems to me this whole thing was two young people (a PR rep and a community mod) making a simple error of judgement trying to do the right thing.

I am also of the opinion that it is hilarious that there is drama related to TOO MUCH community control on a Valve-related product.

[–]iruleatants 1ポイント2ポイント  (1子コメント)

Yeah, I think 500500 may have been slightly hasty in his demotions, but at the same time, he needs mods that clearly understand what they were their for, and what is a wrong thing to do.

Even if HTC never meant anything bad at all, and just wanted to be a part and contribute, being a MOD is still a no go. This guy could be replaced any time by someone who decides that HTC should have more of a say, or he might be in the middle of some drama, and HTC makes the call for a power play to silence the drama, and now this guy goes from innocent community guy, to corporate tool.

Don't hesitate for a single second that HTC wouldn't try and use their position of power to cover up or hide something they don't want to be seen. Even if it doesn't happen now, it will happen, and as such, that balance of power must be avoided.

Truth is 500500 was paid by HTC to create this drama so they could get tons of front page popularity, skyrocketing the marketing of this device, and all the new mods are all HTC employees and you've been fooled into bying that this is an open and free community to discuss the Vive (And how awesome it is, right?)

[–]Bigcow200 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

That doesn't even make any sense, it's actually irresponsible for HTC to do that sort of thing and it could cost them millions just to undo the damages, big companies wouldn't take risks like that

Your theory is just unlikely to true

[–]MrOtsKrad 9ポイント10ポイント  (0子コメント)

As someone who very very much agrees with most of what went down, all I can say is, don't sweat it. You thought you were doing something good, and you were doing it with good intentions.

I believe all the moderators were, and I believe the admin was as well. What Ive seen unfold is the system working. Possibly a touch overhanded, and a bit dramatic, but the intentions there from what Ive read were all positive.

Hell, the HTC guy very well likely had good intentions as well.

I just got done writing this in another post that is unrelated to this, but VR is currently looking at a potential billion(s?) dollar industry. And when there's blood in the tank, the sharks come out. Public forums like Reddit provide a better chance to be free from a corporate influence towards opinion more than other places (say official forms etc) when it comes to VR right now, assured tamper-free public opinion is more necessary than ever imho

Doors open to you to join /r/DistributedVR moderation if you like :)

We don't get any submissions other than the ones I locate and aggregate, but we are a fun bunch :D

[–]Olliby 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

Dude you made a perfectly understandable action, it's not unheard of to have reddit admins be closely aligned with the channel they're moderating.

Yes the results were bad and it sounds like a misunderstanding, miscommunication and some goodwill blown into a nuclear redditstorm but I wouldn't beat yourself up about it :)

[–]teknic111 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

[–]Jinxplay 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

Now, class, what have we learned today? Yes, conflict of interest is a serious shitz, especially when you represent a bigass organization. Now that you learned, try not to make same mistake again. :)

And imho, you should thank 500 for his/her swift damage control that undo your mistake - minus the Goomba part,of course.

[–]7089tRr -2ポイント-1ポイント  (0子コメント)

Jesus, calm down everybody. It's just a forum.

[–]theninjallama -1ポイント0ポイント  (0子コメント)

Jesus christ man learn the English language.