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[–]drogean3 32ポイント33ポイント  (13子コメント)

[–]nibble128 1ポイント2ポイント  (9子コメント)

Just curious, did HTC ask for anything in return for their perks? If so, totally with you on them being bribes... but if not, might they just be giving away swag?

[–]merrickx 24ポイント25ポイント  (4子コメント)

Such treatment can be used to influence, without any explicit trade agreement. Same reason a lot of institutions, and employees therein, are not allowed to accept or receive gifts above a certain, relatively small dollar amount, or any at all.

Even if nothing is promised or offered in return or for trade between either party, there still exists the unavoidable factor of influence. Not to mention the fact that htc can withhold these perks from those that run the sub, in order to influence in some way.

There's really no need to give mod/similar capabilities to any element of the company. They want "easier" communication, there's a "message the mods" button, and discussion is in a convenient format and function, inline within the site. Then, of course there are the thousand other ways in which communication can be held on the Internet between parties. Mod powers seem to be of no particular benefit, only added potential for something shady to happen more easily.

It creates a condition in which astroturfing is a much more practicable endeavor for the company, but no added benefit to the community that can't be achieved in a way that doesn't leave potential for abuse.

[–]nibble128 1ポイント2ポイント  (2子コメント)

Thank you for the insightful response; I can certainty get behind unbiased moderation and reducing risk of corruption. The actions taken against the moderators seems to me, the layman, to be excessive. Couldn't they have said "no thank you" to both the offers of swag and a moderator spot? Perhaps there are policies for this sub that I am unaware of.

[–]Revrak 6ポイント7ポイント  (1子コメント)

sorry for not giving sources, but afaik /u/500500 was saying no, and some of the mods where trying to peer pressure him into saying yes. /u/500500 was away for some time, during which the other mods added the htc employee to the mod team.

when he returned, he removed everybody , and readded those that were not involved in the shady deal.

[–]nibble128 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

Thanks, this puts things in perspective.

[–]Revrak 1ポイント2ポイント  (1子コメント)

even if they never ask for anything in return, they are still getting it, any human would become a bit biased in favor of someone who is nice to you. even if they fully know they are being nice just for marketing reasons.

[–]SlowRollingBoil 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

It's pretty much the most basic ethical breach out there.

[–]TheFlyingBastard 2ポイント3ポイント  (1子コメント)

We didn't know what these "perks" were supposed to entail and actually just ignored any mention of them.

As for the HTC PR guy, he wanted to be easily accessible... that's what HTC - as a business - stands to gain, to get direct feedback from their (potential) customers as part of their business plans.

[–]nibble128 9ポイント10ポイント  (0子コメント)

I myself know how easy it can be to see the worst in people, especially when dealing with people with better social skills than myself. But generally the possibility of corruption should prompt caution, not reaction. Just my personal rule so I don't let paranoia get the better of me.

[–]bassplayer02 0ポイント1ポイント  (2子コメント)

i am planning to get a vive, the product should stand on its own 2 feet, free from htc getting involved in the community through bribes and astroturfing. if this is the way htc do business i will not only buy a cv1 but will go out of my way to sully their name. nothing worse then this sort of behaviour by companies who think they are above the law

[–]skoskoskosko 9ポイント10ポイント  (11子コメント)

i like conspiracys just as much as the next fellow, but please. Why company trying to connect to its community is so bad. For what i have seen there has not been anything wrong here. But if htc wants this contriversy to go away they could like accidentally leak some more informations and so on..... wink wink

[–]whitedynamite81 29ポイント30ポイント  (7子コメント)

I don't think anyone has a problem with the company doing outreach on these subs, there is no reason they would have to be an admin to do that.

[–]TheFlyingBastard 15ポイント16ポイント  (0子コメント)

Yeah, pulling the trigger on the mod position was a mistake.

[–]Werner__Herzog 2ポイント3ポイント  (1子コメント)

Some of the /r/leagueoflegends mods got hats from the company that makes the game or WTFast (idk which), but that resulted in a journalist accusing them of corruption. Many of the mods where harassed by the journalist's followers for months. All of this over some hats. Yeah, you can't make people happy in these situations.

[–]fatmex 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

Being a mod seems like the worst job, its impossible to make everyone happy and someone will always call them out on everything they do. In general we appreciate them being transparent but a poorly worded communication will blow up in their face.

[–]skoskoskosko 0ポイント1ポイント  (3子コメント)

But they did not ask to be mods. They only wanted to be part of community. Old mod team just got carried away and made them one for few days.

[–]lillyringlet 4ポイント5ポイント  (2子コメント)

no they did ask to be mod - they said " we would love to have some of our in house vive guys as mods" - that's someone from the corporation asking to be a mod.

[–]skoskoskosko 2ポイント3ポイント  (1子コメント)

Thanks for correcting me. I somehow missed that part when reading posts. But in later posts when told that there is possibility to only have verified name as vive employee, it seems that they did not have really much of a undertstanding about how reddit works. So still i stay in my opinion about mod team getting carried away and not actually talking about other possibilities before. But this hopefully blows away soon and we can be back on topic.

[–]mowbuss 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

They also offered perks to existing mods.

[–]ViewerReady 4ポイント5ポイント  (0子コメント)

i used to work at Rooster Teeth and the company was constantly using the /r/roosterteeth to respond to it's fans and see what everyone was saying. I have no clue if the mods or admin ever got any perks, but they def treated us nicely (ie featuring our posts and giving us some cool flair)

[–]IAmA_Evil_Dragon_AMA 1ポイント2ポイント  (4子コメント)

Inb4 bans

[–]malibar1[S] 9ポイント10ポイント  (3子コメント)

inb4 mods ban me,

who complained about the sub having their content controlled and censored.

kek

[–]ClimbingC 4ポイント5ポイント  (1子コメント)

Don't worry, there are no mods around to ban you.

[–]TerrenceChill -2ポイント-1ポイント  (0子コメント)

Yea.. not sure how I feel about this.

Edit: Wow downvotes for that. Screw this subreddit haha

[–]mowbuss -2ポイント-1ポイント  (0子コメント)

Its literally the definition of a conspiracy.

"a secret plan by a group to do something unlawful or harmful."

In this case, harmful