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Red Pill ExamplePhil in Groundhog Day (self.TheRedPill)

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Groundhog Day is the story of Phil Collins, weatherman for a news station in Pittsburgh, PA. The news team and him head up to Punxatawney, PA to witness the ground hog predicting the next 6 months of weather.

Phil is a very shitty person, thinking he's hot shit with his shitty profession and has a delusion of how important he really is. The days start repeating so he uses it to start having fun, going after loose women, robbing banks, using his knowledge of what happens for personal gain. After that gets old he starts going after Rita, another member of his team. He goes on date after date with her remembering all her likes and dislikes to the same result night after night, getting slapped in the face.

After that gets old, he grows sick of this gift and starts finding ways to kill himself with the same result. Waking up as if nothing happened on Ground Hog day.

Then he goes through a massive internal change to where he decides to start helping people. Phil realizes he can't help everyone so he decides to go through as much self improvement as possible. Learning to ice sculpt with a chain saw, becoming a master pianist and overall becoming well known in the town amongst it's inhabitants as an amazing guy.

Phil Collins is dancing with Rita at a public event and as they're dancing, people just keep coming up to him to thank him and say how fantastic he is. This is increasing his SMV in Rita's eyes because of his qualities and abundance mentality. Especially when it comes to the bachelor auction where Phil is bid upon by several different women including a bidding war between Rita and another woman.

Phil pursued Rita and struck out every time for putting her up on the pedestal. It wasn't until Phil didn't give a shit that Rita took interest in him and saw all these amazing qualities that made him a highly desirable man. Having hobbies, abundance mentality, it was all there.

Sorry for formatting, I'm on mobile. Groundhog day happens to be on TV right now and I thoroughly enjoy seeing red pill examples in media and breaking it down.

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[–]Endorsed Contributorabdada 53ポイント54ポイント  (13子コメント)

Great movie.

Something that most don't know is the writers intended that Phil live thousands of years this way. No way to portray it as a dark comedy.

[–]dale0607[S] 16ポイント17ポイント  (3子コメント)

Oh yeah. I remember reading that somewhere where they broke down how long it would take to master the different things in the movie.

[–]finitely_eclectic 9ポイント10ポイント  (2子コメント)

I think I remember it being somewhere in the ballpark of 10,000 days or something.

[–]dainethemain 15ポイント16ポイント  (0子コメント)

interestingly enough, 10,000 hours is how long Malcolm Gladwell thinks it takes to become an expert at something.

[–]drallcom3 8ポイント9ポイント  (8子コメント)

10000 years in the original script, but in the final version more like 8-10 years. They should have named it "10000 years a beta".

[–]Sdom1 8ポイント9ポイント  (7子コメント)

10,000 years would make that a very, very dark story. I mean, shit, think about that - you could go back to when they were building the pyramids and you're only about halfway there. 10,000 years ago you still had to wait at least 4000 years for the invention of a writing system.

To live the same day for that long would drive you to madness a couple hundred years in.

[–]drallcom3 10ポイント11ポイント  (5子コメント)

and he can even lift because everything but his mind is the same the next day

[–]blue_27 22ポイント23ポイント  (3子コメント)

He can lift. .... Just no gainz.

[–]PremiumGoose 39ポイント40ポイント  (0子コメント)

Saddest thing I've ever read.

[–]TheThingsIThink 3ポイント4ポイント  (0子コメント)

No, he has to have some kind of neural improvement if he is playing the piano. He would be able to increase recruitment but gain no mass. He'd bench body weight while looking DYEL

[–]ChadThundercockII 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

He will make Neuro-Muscular gains. He will be skinny fat but able to dead lift 600 pounds.

[–]B_Campbell 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

No he'd have amazing calves because every day would be leg day.

[–]2FatStig -2ポイント-1ポイント  (0子コメント)

Della Lu, a high-tech who was an agent of the Peace Authority during The Peace War, agrees to assist Brierson with the technical aspects of the case. In the millions of years since the singularity, Della had spent most of her 9,000 years alone, exploring the galaxy. She discovered that intelligent life is extremely rare, and there were parallel vanishings in the few civilizations she found, but no definitive proof of the cause. The singularity is implied to be an explanation for the Fermi Paradox.

10,000 years might render you inhuman.

[–]LastRevision 14ポイント15ポイント  (0子コメント)

Groundhog Day is essentially about personality vs character.

Phil begins the movie as a real bitch to deal with, and once he enters the Groundhog Day cycle he learns to develop his personality to reach desirable ends; his initial dates with Rita reflect this, where he is essentially running scripted game on her to achieve sex. As the movie progresses, Phil decides to improve his character by learning skills and thinking of others, and he does this without any hope of escaping the time loop, and only then does Phil escape the loop and move on with his life.

[–]mrmeyhemn 9ポイント10ポイント  (0子コメント)

Saw this last night when I got home. Noticed a lot of red pill in it. He starts out frustrated, gets more frustrated at his inability to change his circumstances, to the point of suicide. Then finally accepts that his reality is what it is and begins to work on himself rather than trying to change his circumstances. In the end his self metamorphosis caused his circumstances to change.

Also, Bill Murray kicks ass

[–]icyhot39 16ポイント17ポイント  (6子コメント)

Choose to interpret this fiction however you want. BUT I think it's about as beta as it gets.

  • Phil is stuck on Rita for the entire movie. Including the girl he lied to and accidentally called "Rita" right before closing the deal. There is an inference that he eventually sealed the deal but that's a different point.
  • The only way for him to get out of Groundhog purgatory was to become the man Rita wanted. The movie never goes into any exploration into Phil's motivation for changing. That was left to the viewer because, according to the writers, it's obvious that he's a self-absorbed ass-hole. Do you really think he wanted to learn the piano, French, and ice-sculpting because he had a real interest or because it was what Rita wanted?
  • There's a clear implication that a man should live for others instead of himself in order to achieve happiness. At no point is it clear why he would want to, for example, buy tons of insurance coverage he didn't need... or save a kid as he fell from a tree (hurting his own back).. or save a man from choking.. or buy wrestlemania tickets for 2 kids he didn't know... or help old ladies change the tire on their car because, of course, they couldn't be bothered with it.

I enjoy the movie, but it always makes me cringe.

[–]HomunculusEmeritus 11ポイント12ポイント  (2子コメント)

"The only way for him to get out of Groundhog purgatory was to become the man Rita wanted."

But this is how to get out of Beta hell too: become the man women want. And in the end it seemed he was more relieved to be out of the loop than to have bagged the chick.

Did he lift? No. So that disqualifies a bit of the argument for the movie being red pill. But he goes a long, long distance in self improvement and there's no doubt he's become the embodiment of abundance mentality in so many ways..

Regardless, she's a unicorn, it's just a movie, and they always turn out the way they're written.

[–]Endorsed Contributorexit_sandman 2ポイント3ポイント  (1子コメント)

But this is how to get out of Beta hell too: become the man women want.

But that's the point icyhot makes (and rightfully so): he doesn't just become the man women want, he becomes the man Rita wants. I mean, look at the stunts he pulls in order to get laid, with success (it's implied that he gets laid like tile) - alas, Andie McDowell is the only woman able to resist him. Only when he fully reforms himself over the course of several years (saving half the town in the process and learning all sorts of fruity stuff) is he finally able to get her - the only good woman in a sea of shallow bishes who continuously managed to reject him no matter how much he tried to seduce her with his glib and faked charme. But at the end of the day when he became a truly good person did she finally realize what he was and bought him for tree fiddy (*100).

Honestly, the pedestal doesn't get much higher than that.

[–]HomunculusEmeritus 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

You make a good point, and my only counter to it would rely on interpretation and a try at good BS:

There is a limited sexual market and he's got all the time it takes, so he goes for it. She is a unicorn after all. Further, he does become the man every woman wants.

No, it's weak BS.

Because he does have to go through similar efforts to get the chick that makes the little chipmunk noises when she's aroused, which implies he's no alpha to start with. And I see that when it comes down to it "at the end of the day" (as you perhaps intentionally put it), it really does seem to be all about the one woman.

Now if he'd said first thing on waking up "Hey, I had plans for breakfast with an old friend I ran into, Ned Ryerson...I'll meet up with y'all later", it would be a different matter.

[–]marxistbacon 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

I enjoy the hell out of the movie. But I agree with your core assessment. Admittedly he does all kind of off the wall fun stuff. But ultimately, Phil spends his time chasing after what Rita says it would take to become her ideal man. Not in the sense that he's learning French poetry to become the well rounded man of the world, but in the sense that Rita said she liked French poetry so he spends weeks/months/whatever memorizing it. That aspect of him chasing after her based on trying to be 100% compatible with her stated preferences is about as beta as it gets. It's the ultimate Nice Guy fantasy wherein he does all the right things and then she falls for him, once he does enough to meet her standards and the blinders fall from her eyes. One big covert contract.

That notwithstanding, I still enjoy the fuck out of that movie.

[–]combatmechanic 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

+1...it is a blue pill movie.

[–]killego -1ポイント0ポイント  (0子コメント)

I'd buy that except he tried to kill himself several times before his self-improvement phase. To me that symbolizes him killing his beta self and changing into a good quality man.

[–]External12 17ポイント18ポイント  (7子コメント)

It's a movie. Not real life. I don't like movies being used as examples for real life situations. But I get the point.

[–]McLarenX 2ポイント3ポイント  (3子コメント)

Well I disagreed with that dumb talk show clip everyone worshipped on here but I believe this movie does teach a valuable lesson in its own way. Quit wallowing in your own suffering, strive to improve everyday and shit will eventually correct itself.

[–]ThrowTheEgg 0ポイント1ポイント  (2子コメント)

what was the dumb talk show clip?

[–]pdpbigbang -5ポイント-4ポイント  (2子コメント)

Totally agree. Only real life examples are valid. Movies and TV shows overlook the elements that come into play in real life situations despite how real they may seem. I hope the mods get on this and remove the post, because it serves no purpose.

[–]recon_johnny -1ポイント0ポイント  (1子コメント)

One theme here a while ago was: nothing fictional.

Downvoting your statement is bullshit.

To analyze a fictional, made-up story amounts to not more than mental masturbation.

[–]pdpbigbang 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

It's funny how we're both being downvoted in a sub that bases everything from evolutionary and biological point of view, because a fictional story is being used to teach some kind of a lesson. But I'll take that as a privilege, not as being delusional.

[–]The-Ban-Hammer 2ポイント3ポイント  (2子コメント)

Phil Connors.

Phil Collins is somebody completely different.

[–]freeza15 -1ポイント0ポイント  (0子コメント)

Invisible Touch is the group's undisputed masterpiece. It's an epic meditation on intangibility, at the same time it deepens and enriches the meaning of the preceding three albums. It has a resonance that keeps coming back at the listener, and the music is so beautiful that it's almost impossible to shake off because every song makes some connection about the unknown or the spaces between people, questioning authoritative control whether by domineering lovers or by government or by meaningless repetition.

[–]rabidrabbity 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

How long it would take to learn to throw playing cards (six months at a conservative estimate of four or five hours a day of practice), how long it would take to become a master ice sculptor (seven years at four to five hours per day), how long it would take to watch a movie 100 times and so on and so on.

And after all that math 12,403 repeated days, which is just shy of some 34 years stuck in timeless, existential limbo.

[–]Jesterian 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

This is such an excellent post, and such a welcome change from the standard anger phase TRP whinefest posts about women's privilege.

[–]douglas_yancie 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

Phil conners...not Collins lolz

[–]TheeRyanGrey 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

What's great about this movie is that it stages every level of what men go through as they gain power and improvement"

1.We WANT the things we've always lusted for---money, power, women, sex, adventure---and we indulge ourselves in a gluttonous fashion.

2.Then we lust for specific women and we fail and fail until we perfect our personality and game.

3.We go through depression as we realize none of it was really worth it. She can not bring us happiness if we're not happy with ourselves. We see the world around us, how weak and helpless it is, and we just want to escape it by any way possible.

  1. We man up, decide to improve ourselves, to become better men and LEADERS. No longer do we reign over the ashes, we actually create and build anew. We become the kind of men women want to be with, we're no longer chasing them, they're chasing us. And we enjoy it but it's a secondary reward to improving the world we live in.

[–]AmericanHistoryAFBB 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

I watched this last night on television. One of my favorite films of all time, and chocked full of TRP/PUA goodness.

[–]2NiftyDolphin 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

The true hero of that movie was Ned Ryerson. It took him decades of reliving the same day to wear down Phil Connors to the point where he could sell that useless bastard an insurance policy.

Perseverance pays off.

[–]aazav 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

amongst it's inhabitants

amongst its* inhabitants

it's = it is

Camon.