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[–]TheFakeTomTelescoRightward-Most Viable Candidate 84ポイント85ポイント  (11子コメント)

In the same statement - the pope focused on Russian genocide and creating instability in general. He's saying the violence and war profiteering needs to stop, and people shouldn't rely on world leaders, not that all gun owners are evil.

For some reason everyone is trying to start a war on Catholics in this sub, but the Pope is pushing back on the Obama administration after Obama tried to force him to sit with transgender activists and gay rights Episcopalians and score political points. He's trying to head the liberal media off on this one. Can we cut it out?

Edit: mobiled something real good.

[–]nicksvr4 10ポイント11ポイント  (1子コメント)

This is what the left wants. They don't provide the full context of the quotes, give one part of his stance without showing the whole picture. Now everyone is infighting. It's ok to have a liberal pope that preaches not to judge, and to follow the commandments. As a libertarian flavored conservative, and a recent catholic, I have don't see much of an issue with this pope.

[–]TheFakeTomTelescoRightward-Most Viable Candidate 3ポイント4ポイント  (0子コメント)

Yeah - if they can't claim him as their own, the leftist media wants us to fight about him. I say, most popes were monarchists... let's not make this one's funny take on politics a divisive issue. We don't need that. There have been Christian monarchists, anarchists, fascists, communists, socialists, republicans, democrats, oligarchs, libertarians, etc., etc., etc. He's made statements that are NOT what the libs want to hear about contraception allowances for religious organizations, gay marriage, idiotic gender theory. They basically want us to fight each other over a pope that is, ultimately, very Catholic.

[–]stoutcarrot 2ポイント3ポイント  (2子コメント)

everyone is trying to start a war on Catholics in this sub

I don't feel that it's anti-Catholic sentiment so much as anti-Francis. As a Catholic, myself, I detest him so I don't think they're being unreasonable. The problem is that people have misconceptions about papal authority.

[–]DJWhamoSingle Payer Proponent 2ポイント3ポイント  (1子コメント)

I'm a Catholic, too, and I've noticed that all too often, anti-Francis can devolve into anti-Catholic. The problem is that many Protestants are already predisposed to having certain opinions about us, and disagreeing with the Pope opens up a can of worms. I don't mind if people disagree with the man, but I hold my breath whenever one of these threads pops up.

[–]stoutcarrot 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

So shouldn't we make it clear that we don't all align with Francis' political ideology? It is legitimately concerning that he spends so much time focusing on/ talking about things that just aren't the focus of Catholicism. There are virtues outside of his narrow understanding of charity.

[–]beer_n_gunsMillennial Constitutionalist 3ポイント4ポイント  (3子コメント)

For some reason everyone is trying to start a war on Catholics in this sub,

I see a lot of anti-pope sentiment because of his liberal tendencies, but I haven't seen anybody going after Catholicism as a whole.

[–]TheFakeTomTelescoRightward-Most Viable Candidate 6ポイント7ポイント  (2子コメント)

Assumed war on Catholic Church was a war on Catholics as a whole.

[–]BadGoyWithAGun 4ポイント5ポイント  (1子コメント)

It's not even the Church. People, Americans especially, seem to have this misconception that everything the Pope says becomes Church doctrine. That's not the case. He has to specifically invoke his privilege to define doctrine to do so - which he hasn't done so far. Otherwise, he's just a guy saying stuff.

[–]TheFakeTomTelescoRightward-Most Viable Candidate 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

exactly. No one ever invokes any new doctrine ex cathedra. It's super rare.

[–]legalizehazing[S] -1ポイント0ポイント  (1子コメント)

It's not just this sub. He's gotten a lot of undue press both positive and negative.. O this Pope washes feet..'well no the last ones did the same.

But he has made annulment easier with one witness instead of two and some other mildly progressive things. I assume there is some truth to the consensus otherwise people would not be freaking out so much

[–]TheFakeTomTelescoRightward-Most Viable Candidate 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

From my own perspective as an outsider, yeah, I agree - he does seem soft on divorce. Not like Evangelical leaders like those in my denomination can do much boasting there, though. We're really soft on it.

[–]PrimeIntellect 11ポイント12ポイント  (2子コメント)

Isn't that picture of Jesus from the movie Dogma? Lol

[–]boss413 10ポイント11ポイント  (1子コメント)

The Buddy Christ--doesn't it... pop?

[–]ItsMeTK 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

You can even buy plushie Buddy Christs now.

[–]Throwaway_Derps 4ポイント5ポイント  (0子コメント)

I haven't seen that many artifacts since my last trip to the Smithsonian.

[–]vox_libertatis 3ポイント4ポイント  (0子コメント)

In defense of the Pope, I've heard from many Catholics that he isn't as wacky out-there as he is made out to be. His speeches are often changed in small, yet significant, ways by translators with an agenda. That said, he is definitely more left-leaning than some previous Popes.

[–]MrCaptainMinecraft 9ポイント10ポイント  (1子コメント)

/r/DankChristianMemes

[–]AMoistToweletteFar-Right 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

That's where I thought I was

[–]cypherhalo 3ポイント4ポイント  (0子コメント)

Amusing, and a bit over the top, but it also makes a good point. Evil is in a man's heart, not his tools.

[–]metaspace 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

Did you just defeat the pope with a meme?

[–]jogarz 3ポイント4ポイント  (0子コメント)

First of all: the Francis qoute in the meme is not the actual qoute, but an extremely twisted version of it. The Pope was talking about war profiteering, not gun rights.

Secondly, "Commie Pope" is ridiculous and absurd. The socialists tried to take him as their own when he expressed frustration with laizze faire capitalism, but he himself has always denied that he's socialist. He even got angry with the Bolivian president after he tried to present him with a cross-hammer-sickle hybrid.

The pope isn't a laizze faire capitalist, yes. But there's a wide spectrum between that and socialism. His actual views are more in line with Distributism- a conservative ideology!

[–]AN1Guitarman 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

Can someone explain how this is "very misleading"?

I see /r/TheFakeTomTelesco 's post that show's it's out of context, so then it should say "out of context" if the pope said it, it's not "misleading" ...

[–]fooZar 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

Jesus said that so the prophecy of Isaiah 53:12 would be fulfilled. This is literally his next line in the gospel and proves everything can be taken out-of-context.

[–]SurfeitOfLampreys -4ポイント-3ポイント  (0子コメント)

The biggest hypocrisy is that the pope has a personal armed guard:

http://www.guns.com/2014/04/13/guns-swiss-guard/

[–]dpprace -5ポイント-4ポイント  (0子コメント)

You know, this particular pope really ruins the old adage 'is the Pope Catholic?'. Now, you have to really think about it before you give people an answer.

God help us if bears ever stop shitting in the woods.

[–]ECVBodie64 -5ポイント-4ポイント  (0子コメント)

As someone who was raised Catholic (and still identifies as one), I find the church leaders as a whole repugnant, especially the pope. He should know capitalism is the best force for good that humans have ever devised.

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